1127445691 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.0, 2.0.1-pre2, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0-rc2 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1127445691 T * Bertl - 1127445765 Q * Bertl Quit: leaving 1127445780 J * Bertl herbert@212.16.62.52 1127446343 J * JonT ~jonathan@203-206-176-245.dyn.iinet.net.au 1127446398 M * Bertl welcome JonT! :) 1127446406 M * JonT Hi Bertl, how are you? 1127446427 M * Bertl well, guess I'm fine ... now that most of the routing is abck :) 1127446512 M * JonT I'm trying to set up a clean FC4-based guest image. I have a maintained local repository, so I'd like to use that and also allow users install packages using yum from within the context. The problem is, unlike in the legacy Linux-vservers, the package database is handled outside of the context (i.e. in /vservers/.pkg/). Is there any way to have the yum/rpm db maintained as normal within the context? 1127446578 M * Bertl yes, see 'externalize' and 'internalize' option 1127446589 M * JonT you make this seem too easy :-) 1127446623 M * jayeola whoa - Bertl don't u sleep? 1127446635 M * Bertl JonT: ah, well, I can complicate that for you ... IIRC, yum has some issues with that ... 1127446635 M * JonT I've been wondering the same thing. 1127446647 M * JonT Ok Bertl - I'll have a go 1127446650 M * Bertl jayeola: do bots sleep? 1127446659 M * jayeola mine does 1127446738 M * Bertl jayeola: had to fix some issues first, but will be off to bed in a few hours ... 1127446738 M * JonT I noticed yum 2.4.0 on FC4 has problems with the vserver-build. I've reverted back to 2.3.2 on the host, which seems fine - strange. 1127446785 M * Bertl jayeola: did daniels sugegstions (to try binary packages) help you? 1127446956 M * jayeola yah he did. too tored to concentrate (04:50) here 1127446985 M * jayeola saved all of the urls and stuff. i hate being beaten 1127447002 M * Bertl well, almost 6am here ... 1127447032 M * jayeola question. with vserver --debug there are lines that start with a single + and otheres ++ 1127447039 M * Bertl jayeola: so it works now? 1127447042 M * jayeola what's the differnce 1127447054 M * Bertl jayeola: yes that is how bash annotates it ... 1127447061 M * jayeola 04:22 < jayeola> yah he did. too tired to concen 1127447084 M * jayeola but what's the dif between a + line and a ++ line? 1127447098 M * jayeola output? stderr? 1127447125 M * Bertl good question, no idea ... 1127447161 M * jayeola next:- did you write vserver? 1127447194 M * mnemoc *G* 1127447202 M * Bertl I'm doing the kernel side on linux-vserver :) 1127447223 M * mnemoc where is jaques? 1127447224 M * Bertl Enrico is doing the util-vserver tools 1127447248 M * mnemoc Jacques* 1127447249 M * jayeola speaking of which i'm checking that kernel that borked on me so much (2.6.12.5) are there any things that i should consider? 1127447261 M * Bertl mnemoc: Jacques is showing up every 6 months to get a new version :) 1127447299 M * mnemoc :) 1127447312 M * Bertl jayeola: so you think the kernel was to blame? 1127447362 M * jayeola i don't actually. i jusy want to try to eliminate all the possible causes 1127447383 M * Bertl I still think your gcc might be the cause ... 1127447434 M * jayeola hrm.. gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 20050721 (Red Hat 3.4.4-2) 1127447465 M * jayeola any history of breaking the build of a vserver? 1127447476 M * Bertl it's better than 4.0.x (debian etch?) where we know that it miscompiles a lot of stuff 1127447476 M * mnemoc i use gcc-3.4.4 here 1127447502 M * jayeola all other things built with this compiler work fine 1127447525 M * Bertl jayeola: so could you describe what exaclty was changed? 1127447560 M * Bertl jayeola: I had another theory what could have gone wrong ... 1127447588 M * jayeola um, i've changed nothing in the kernel so far. just snooping around to see the options 1127447628 M * Bertl hmm, that's why I asked again if it works now .. guess you do not know yet?! 1127447734 M * jayeola not yet. rm'd that kernel and going for it again. using source code. if that dont work going for binaries 1127447773 M * jayeola but before i start again im making a mental picture of what borked and how i can prevent it 1127447786 M * Bertl okay, I'd check a few things: 1127447794 M * jayeola like i said earlier, should not take >30 minutes 1127447799 M * Bertl - get a kernel and the according patch 1127447826 M * Bertl - patch and configure the utils according to your setup 1127447840 M * Bertl - create a test guest as copy from the host 1127447849 M * jayeola uh-huh 1127447866 M * Bertl there is a build method 'copy' for doing that 1127447883 M * jayeola for example fc creates fc, debian --> debain and so on 1127447899 M * Bertl this should rule out all debootstrap/install issues (for a first test) 1127447914 M * jayeola yah - roger that 1127447932 M * Bertl if that works fine, continue with a net install ala debian or whatever 1127448022 M * jayeola ty! 1127448083 M * jayeola finally. what is the likelyhood of borking the entire system if i allow the "testing" repos by accident when i last upgraded the box 1127448117 M * jayeola gcc was not affected, but it's a thought 1127448179 M * Bertl I guess it's reasonably small 1127448218 M * Bertl maybe we already have all the information why it fails, but we just don't see it ... maybe we are looking at the wrong stuff ... 1127448250 M * jayeola yah - i have documented evry stage, step a nd error.... 1127448257 M * jayeola now time to sleep on it 1127448261 M * Bertl e.g. some time back we had a guest which didn't want to startup ... turned out, it had a broken libc inside, almost everything worked like a charm, except for the startup 1127448295 M * Bertl jayeola: yeah, good idea, and good night! 1127448301 M * jayeola ty! 1127448308 Q * jayeola Quit: leaving 1127448329 M * Bertl guess I'm off to bed now too ... 1127448416 M * gndmstr ok me too. night all 1127448434 M * gndmstr had a problem with cpan. put it into the list. see ya all later 1127448498 Q * gndmstr Remote host closed the connection 1127448520 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1127450960 Q * comfrey Remote host closed the connection 1127454507 Q * JonT Quit: 1127455453 J * liquid3649 ~inet@p54974763.dip.t-dialin.net 1127455534 M * litage which command will give you a list of all vservers currently running? 1127455570 M * Hollow vserver-stat 1127455938 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection 1127456004 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1127456372 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax6-242.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1127456724 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127457314 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@shisha.spb.ru 1127457949 M * litage thanks Hollow 1127457952 M * litage after putting "plain" in /etc/vservers/GUEST/apps/init/style, restarting GUEST gives only 1 line of output. is this normal?: "vkill: vc_ctx_kill(): No such process" 1127458184 M * Hollow no.. 1127458187 M * Hollow which distro? 1127458451 M * litage debian 1127458575 M * Hollow is the guest running anyway? 1127458608 M * Hollow ah.. after REstarting? 1127458638 M * Hollow well.. if the guest is running and you change to plain style, it tries to kill init (process 1) and probably there isn't one.. 1127459266 Q * MikeGrice Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1127460012 Q * _are_ Quit: bbl 1127461476 J * _are_ ~are@p54A092F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1127462660 J * prae ~prae@81.57.27.189 1127463716 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127463990 Q * flock Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127464285 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1127465428 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1127466605 Q * mentor Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127466788 J * mentor ~matthew@213.137.8.5 1127467216 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.77 1127467252 Q * erwan_taf Quit: 1127467288 M * Eyck hmm, what exactly does "VSZ" mean in vserver-stat ? 1127467585 M * _are_ total amount of memory used by programs running in that context 1127467596 M * _are_ at least this is how i read it and how it worked for me ;) 1127467667 J * Matthew_ ~matthew@80.65.254.250 1127467868 Q * mentor Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127473409 Q * Aiken__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127473758 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.19 1127473868 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127473869 N * menomc mnemoc 1127473933 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch 1127474064 Q * yarihm Quit: 1127474941 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch 1127477336 Q * Matthew_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127478155 J * mentor ~matthew@80.65.240.202 1127481178 Q * mountie Remote host closed the connection 1127481243 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1127481576 Q * kas_3 Remote host closed the connection 1127483392 M * Eyck _are_: hmm, yea, that sounds about right, but it doesn't seem to be the case... ie, some vserver are reporting usage in excess of 4G.. 1127483408 M * mentor I apologise for the forum, but can anyone point me at some help at getting Lustre 1.2 series working with Linux 2.6? I can see some patches for working with Lustre 1.4, but this is not a public release. 1127483442 M * Eyck and I've got at most 3G (ram+swap) 1127483921 M * daniel_hozac it's the sum of all address spaces of all threads in that vserver ... 1127483925 M * daniel_hozac (re: VSZ) 1127483945 M * Eyck hmm, 1127483960 M * Eyck doesn't explain then, why isn't it 4G * number of threads? 1127484220 J * Bertl herbert@212.16.62.52 1127484388 Q * Bertl_zZ Remote host closed the connection 1127484546 M * Bertl good morning folks! 1127484554 M * Eyck morning, 1127484569 M * Eyck Bertl: what is sum of all the address spaces of all threads in given vserver? 1127484614 M * Greek0 morning Bertl 1127484633 M * Bertl Eyck: what you can see in limits and vserver-stat :) 1127484712 M * Greek0 Bertl: it might be an idea to add to vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/QEMU that you use use serial console for all the qemu kernels. I was scratching my head for quite some time about why there was nothing displayed on the qemu screen, and (once I had that fixed) why keyboard input didn't seem to work :-/ 1127484747 M * Greek0 but once I figured it out, I have to admit that it's really much much nicer then the graphical stuff 1127484753 M * Bertl Greek0: hmm, well, IIRC I posted my qemu lines several times ... 1127484768 M * Greek0 here or on the webpage? 1127484787 M * Bertl here, I guess, but I can add it to the web page too ... 1127484829 M * Greek0 perhaps to the howto? that's where I looked first 1127484844 M * Bertl I have a howto for that? 1127484866 A * Bertl is looking 1127484868 M * Greek0 there is a howto.txt file 1127484892 M * Greek0 I didn't do anything you described in there, but it was the first place I looked ;) 1127484981 M * Bertl Eyck: had a look at the irc logs, it's a fitional value, basically an upper bound because you cannot tell which addresses are shared/used easily ... 1127485036 M * Bertl *fictional even 1127485044 M * Eyck Bertl: thanks. 1127485217 M * brc BERTL 1127485228 M * Bertl brc! 1127485231 M * brc i read something on the mailing list that got me confused. 1127485265 M * brc when threads are created, they share memory, but the memory limit will sum them as if they are not shared. is that it ? 1127485293 M * Bertl yes and no ... depends on 'what' memory ... 1127485311 M * Bertl basically you have a lot of different memory flavours 1127485337 M * Bertl for the 'virtual memory' or 'address space' this is correct, but address spaces are never shared ... 1127485348 M * Greek0 well, accounting flavors 1127485370 M * Greek0 not? 1127485404 M * Bertl for RAM pages (Resident Set Size) the accounting should be accurate ... as well as for anon and locked memory 1127485556 M * Bertl Greek0: yes, ways to handle memory or addresses 1127485594 M * Greek0 mm 1127485694 J * tomi ~tomi@pha-84-242-95-4.nat.karneval.cz 1127485698 M * tomi Hi 1127485719 M * tomi Bertl, how are you? 1127485728 M * tomi I was not there for long time.. 1127485986 M * tomi vserver xwindow start 1127485986 M * tomi chbind: vc_set_ipv4root(): Function not implemented 1127485986 M * tomi An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence; when 1127485986 M * tomi there are no other messages, it is very likely that the init-script 1127485989 M * tomi ??? 1127486085 M * Bertl hey tomi! mostly fine, thanks! 1127486111 M * Bertl tomi: looks like you removed the legacy networking 1127486144 M * Bertl tomi: or maybe have a non-vserver kernel? 1127486146 M * Hollow Bertl: is /dev/pty a safe device node? 1127486158 M * Hollow hi btw ;) 1127486168 M * Bertl tomi: let's give the testme.sh a try and upload that somewhere (e.g. pastebin.com) 1127486183 M * Bertl hey Hollow! /dev/pty? 1127486188 M * Hollow yup 1127486200 M * Hollow #gentoo-vserver 16:34 1127486205 M * Hollow kir asked 1127486216 M * Hollow vzctl enter seems to need it 1127486220 M * Bertl that's a directory here ... what major/minor is that on gentoo? 1127486223 M * Hollow and we like to do combined stages 1127486266 M * Hollow *shrug* i don't have it.. ;) 1127486280 M * tomi Im trying.. 1127486287 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/ 1127486311 M * Bertl Hollow: linux-vserver uses /dev/ptmx /dev/pts (dir) 1127486341 M * Bertl IIRC, pty's are the legacy terminals ... 1127486769 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk 1127486834 M * Bertl welcome Blissex! 1127487099 A * Blissex waves hi! 1127488245 M * Bertl Hollow: hum, the 32MB xfs partition does not allow to store the 32MB ext2 data I use on QEMU, any magic options I could use? 1127488272 M * Hollow ehm.. 1127488282 M * Bertl No space left on device 1127488283 M * Hollow you mean the data doesn't fit? 1127488295 M * Hollow maybe the journal/metadata has more overhead..? 1127488296 M * Bertl yep, probably because of larger inodes or whatever 1127488500 M * Blissex Bertl: is the data in a single file or many small files? 1127488534 M * Bertl many small ones, trying to understand the xfs make options now 1127488540 M * Blissex Bertl: also note that 'ext2' has no journal, while by default XFS uses a few MB of journal. 1127488547 M * Bertl figured -b size=1k changes something :) 1127488558 M * Blissex Bertl: then ask XFS to make a filesystem with 512 or 1024 byte blocks. 1127488561 M * Bertl does anybody know how to reduce the log size? 1127488630 M * Blissex Also, XFS is not designed for such small areas. There is very little point in using XFS for small partitions with small files. 1127488659 M * Bertl there is a good point in doing so: bug hunting :) 1127488719 M * Bertl ah, for the record: mkfs.xfs -f -b size=1k did the trick 1127488906 M * liquid3649 hi 1127488932 M * liquid3649 could someone help me with a littel ssh problem 1127488992 M * liquid3649 i can't connect to my vservers with ssh 1127489020 M * liquid3649 already change the port an addresses on the host and vservers 1127489039 M * brc Bertl: sorry, i am back. about the rss. what do you think ? 1127489062 M * brc Bertl: I am limitng my user's memory just by limiting RSS. is that correct ? Proccesses are always getting killed, if they could be swapped :P 1127489066 M * Bertl liquid3649: misconfiguration? 1127489079 M * Bertl liquid3649: try to describe what happens ... 1127489109 M * Bertl brc: no, they are swapped as usual ... but they will not be swapped just because they use too much memory 1127489115 M * liquid3649 i connect to the vserver, logon with pw and then i get disconnected 1127489133 M * Bertl what does the log inside the guest show? 1127489173 M * liquid3649 http://pastebin.com/372015 1127489257 M * Bertl liquid3649: we are interested in the sshd output 1127489273 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu 1127489282 M * Bertl try to start the sshd with debug at a different port, for example 1127489308 M * liquid3649 pam_logoinuid[14018]: set_logoinuid faild 1127489393 M * Bertl what is logoinuid? 1127489413 M * liquid3649 tied only root 1127489439 M * Bertl Hollow: how do I shrink xfs? 1127489448 M * Hollow iirc you can't 1127489457 M * Bertl damn ... 1127489482 M * Bertl format and mounting works quite fine, but the kernel says: 1127489487 M * Bertl hda1: rw=0, want=65472, limit=65457 1127489488 M * Hollow but why would you shrink a 32MB disk? :P 1127489493 M * Bertl I/O error in filesystem ("hda1") meta-data dev hda1 block 0xffbf 1127489510 M * Bertl so I guess xfs got the device size wrong by a few blocks 1127489517 M * Hollow hm 1127489579 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1127489704 M * tomi vserver xwindow enter 1127489704 M * tomi mesg: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted 1127489704 M * tomi x:/# 1127489710 M * tomi no is better.. 1127489733 M * tomi but what mean this text message?? 1127489756 M * Bertl that you bring your dev/pts with you, and inside the guest it's not allowed to access it 1127489785 M * tomi how to make it allow 1127489790 M * Bertl Hollow: is there a way to tell xfs how large the physical partition is? 1127489816 M * Bertl because I just tried with a smaller one, but xfs creates it the same size (i.e. wrong) 1127489867 M * Hollow *shrug* i'm not an xfs expert, i just specify the mount type in fstab .. ;) 1127489888 M * Bertl ah, well, I thought you had some experience with that filesystem .. np 1127489914 M * Hollow yeah, i have the one, that it has been runing fine ever for me ;) 1127489968 M * Bertl ah, well, guess I'll find a way to work around the xfs bugs :) 1127490009 M * Hollow heh 1127490229 M * Bertl okay, got a workaround, but no oops?! 1127490252 M * Bertl /dev/root / xfs rw 0 0 1127490263 M * Bertl 2.6.13.1-vs2.1.0 1127490286 M * Bertl Hollow: any details regarding your kernel config? 1127490298 M * Bertl ah, dinner time ... back in 20 or so ... 1127490314 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1127490318 M * Hollow Bertl: http://home.xnull.de/misc/config 1127490346 J * Rusty` ~rusty@adsl-484.mirage.euroweb.hu 1127490356 M * Rusty` hello guys 1127490388 M * Rusty` is there a BME patch rediff for linux kernel 2.6.12.4? 1127490515 M * Hollow Rusty`: try this one: http://home.xnull.de/work/gentoo/vserver/src/linux-2.6.12/patches/4915_vs2.0-bme-0.06.1.patch 1127490904 M * Rusty` Hollow: thanks, all Hunk is succeeded :) 1127490914 M * Hollow you're welcome! 1127491714 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1127491927 M * Hollow Bertl: any help if i upload my bzImage? 1127491955 M * Bertl not really, unless it boots on qemu :) 1127491970 M * Hollow *shrug* ;) 1127491985 M * Bertl Rusty`: I plan to change the patch/release model with the devel releases 1127492011 M * Hollow Bertl: my kernel has these patches (look at series file) http://home.xnull.de/work/gentoo/vserver/src/linux-2.6.13/patches/ 1127492016 M * Bertl in the future there will be a mainstream patchset (including BME and such) and the devel patches will be based on that kernel version 1127492030 M * Hollow (it's a quilt patch dir) 1127492098 M * Bertl Hollow: just to verify, what kernel version did you use? 1127492111 M * Hollow 2.6.13-vs2.1.0-rc2 1127492127 M * Bertl mainstream or hollow patches? 1127492141 M * Hollow vanilla 2.6.13 + the patches above 1127492173 M * Hollow (as always it's genpatches) 1127492177 M * Bertl hmm, could you retry with mainstream? and could you add some extension in the future? 1127492194 M * Hollow yeah, the extension is already added, as your requested 1127492530 M * Bertl now trying without quota support 1127492685 M * Hollow compiling mainstream.. 1127493141 Q * Tenchi-san Read error: Connection reset by peer 1127493293 M * Bertl Hollow: ah, with quota disabled I get something ... 1127493303 M * Hollow yup, i don't use quota.. 1127493315 M * Bertl yeah, I saw 1127493505 M * Bertl ah, yes makes sense now :) 1127493538 M * Bertl Hollow: thanks for reporting! 1127493559 M * Hollow sure.. 1127493575 M * mentor I apologise for the forum, but can anyone point me at some help at getting Lustre 1.2 series working with Linux 2.6? I can see some patches for working with Lustre 1.4, but this is not a public release. 1127493599 M * Hollow Bertl: you have the fix already? 1127493616 M * Bertl Hollow: was there one? 1127493632 A * Bertl got lost with the routing issues yesterday :/ 1127493656 M * Hollow i mean if you can make a diff against -rc2 for the xfs problem 1127493659 M * Bertl mentor: hmm, guess this is really the wrong place to ask, but that's okay with me ... 1127493756 M * mentor yeah, but occasionally people mention lustre in passing hewe :/ 1127493852 M * daniel_hozac mentor: you don't think the lustre mailing list would be a more efficient means of getting an answer to your question(s)? 1127493898 M * mentor That's distinctly possilbe. 1127493902 M * mentor duh. 1127493924 M * mentor Kinda got locked into a pattern of behaviour there. 1127493925 M * Bertl mentor: but if you get lustre and linux-vserver playing together, that would be a good topic :) 1127493992 M * Bertl Hollow: ah, yes, it's quite simple ... (regarding quota) 1127494050 J * Nicoli ask@208.53.159.170 1127494308 M * Bertl welcome Nicoli! 1127494518 J * entroposcope ~entroposc@user-0c992og.cable.mindspring.com 1127494712 M * Nicoli thx 1127494743 J * Matthew_ ~matthew@80.65.250.147 1127494755 M * Rusty` Bertl: ngnet is now stable or it's devel? 1127494768 M * Bertl Rusty`: it's currently broken :) 1127494773 M * Rusty` :) 1127494777 M * Bertl welcome entroposcope, Matthew_! 1127494812 Q * Nicoli Read error: Connection reset by peer 1127494822 J * Nicoli ask@208.53.159.170 1127494921 Q * mentor Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127494927 N * Matthew_ mentor 1127495397 M * Bertl Hollow: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-xfs-quota.diff 1127495407 M * Hollow thx 1127495564 Q * _are_ Quit: bbl 1127495657 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 ! 1127496097 M * entroposcope has anyone had any success patching RH EL kernel to get vserver up and running? 1127496118 A * entroposcope RH newbie (prefer slackware, gentoo) and is not really familiar with the RH way of doing things 1127496191 M * Bertl better use a mainline (2.6) kernel and the RHEL distro 1127496227 M * entroposcope ack, although give up (whatever dubious) RH specific patches. 1127496231 M * Bertl some time ago I did a patch for RHEL, but it works fine with vanilla ekrnels (2.6) which are much more tested 1127496262 M * Bertl entroposcope: most RHEL patches are just trying to catch up with 2.6 mainline 1127496266 M * entroposcope heh 1127496274 M * entroposcope very true 1127496350 M * Bertl seems the oVZ kernels suffer from the same thing .. hope they'll update soon too ... 1127496468 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/OVZ/breakdown.txt 1127496481 M * Bertl (just a rough breakdown) 1127496761 M * Rusty` Bertl: with BME patch, vserver says at mount: 1127496763 M * Rusty` vamunio:/var/lib/vservers# vserver relay restart 1127496764 M * Rusty` Stopping periodic command scheduler: cron. 1127496764 M * Rusty` Stopping internet superserver: inetd. 1127496764 M * Rusty` Stopping mail-transport-agent: nullmailer. 1127496764 M * Rusty` Saving the System Clock time to the Hardware Clock... 1127496765 M * Rusty` RTC_SET_TIME: Permission denied 1127496766 M * Rusty` ioctl() to /dev/rtc to set the time failed. 1127496768 M * Rusty` Hardware Clock updated to Fri Sep 23 17:32:39 UTC 2005. 1127496770 M * Rusty` Stopping kernel log daemon: klogd. 1127496772 M * Rusty` Stopping system log daemon: syslogd. 1127496774 M * Rusty` Sending all processes the TERM signal...done. 1127496776 M * Rusty` Sending all processes the KILL signal...done. 1127496780 M * Rusty` Saving random seed...done. 1127496782 M * Rusty` Deconfiguring network interfaces...done. 1127496784 M * Rusty` Unmounting local filesystems...umount: none: not found 1127496786 M * Rusty` umount: /tmp: must be superuser to umount 1127496788 M * Rusty` umount: /dev/hdv1: not found 1127496790 M * Rusty` umount: /: not mounted 1127496792 M * Rusty` done. 1127496794 M * Rusty` mount: permission denied 1127496796 M * Rusty` Rebooting... ifdown: shutdown eth0: Permission denied 1127496798 M * Rusty` Starting system log daemon: syslogd. 1127496800 M * Rusty` Starting kernel log daemon: klogd. 1127496804 M * Rusty` Starting mail-transport-agent: nullmailer. 1127496805 M * Hollow jee! use a pastebin! 1127496806 M * Rusty` Starting periodic command scheduler: cron. 1127496810 M * Rusty` what is the problem? :) 1127496837 M * daniel_hozac where's the mount in that paste? 1127496840 M * Bertl Rusty`: except for a) the flooding, and b) the hardware related scripts, I do not see a problem ... 1127496930 M * Rusty` "Unmounting local filesystems... umount: none: not found" ? 1127497062 M * Rusty` and i can't stop the virtual server.. 1127497099 M * Bertl ahem, you already stopped it, no? 1127497124 M * Bertl (right between the Rebooting... and Startng) 1127497192 M * Rusty` oops, sorry for the flood.. 1127497236 M * Rusty` i meant only one line.. 1127497385 M * Rusty` so, eg. this error isn't problem: "umount: /tmp: must be superuser to umount"? 1127497496 M * Bertl no, your scripts should not try to unmount it at all 1127497509 M * Bertl but if they do, they fail and nothing bad happens ... 1127497657 M * Rusty` but a little nasty, no? :) 1127497722 M * Bertl yeah, that's why good guests do not try hardware related stuff :) 1127497758 M * Bertl i.e. have networking, mount, hwclock and such removed 1127497902 M * entroposcope Bertl, I see that the patches on 13thfloor are against 2.6.12 kernel. should they apply fairly cleanly to 2.6.13 tree? 1127497947 M * Bertl no, there is a new prerelease for that 1127497988 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.13-vs2.0.1-pre2.diff.bz2 1127498022 M * Eyck ho ho, 2.6.13 1127498869 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1127499741 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net 1127500610 M * tomi Bertl, do you know how to run kdm at virtual server? 1127500632 M * tomi as X-window server for clients.. 1127500674 M * Bertl never tried kdm, but IIRC, gdm worked fine ... 1127500707 M * Bertl you just make sure that X doesn't start a physical session 1127500735 M * tomi Yes we tried last year.. 1127500742 M * tomi it worked wel.. 1127500746 M * tomi well 1127500759 M * tomi but I forget how I did it 1127500766 M * Bertl lol 1127500783 M * Bertl didn't you write a howto, and put it on the wiki? hint* 1127500809 M * tomi no we tried..only,, 1127500828 M * douglas hey bertl 1127500843 M * douglas I notice the lastest kernel is 2.6.13.2 does vserver stable support that as of yet? 1127500847 M * tomi I long time dont use virtual.. but now I would try run this again.. 1127500882 M * entroposcope heh 1127500885 M * entroposcope no, there is a new prerelease for that 1127500885 M * entroposcope http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.13-vs2.0.1-pre2.diff.bz2 1127500897 M * entroposcope btw, that patch applies cleanly to 2.6.13.2 1127500902 M * Bertl douglas: so, yes, it supports it :) 1127500918 M * douglas ahh so the prerelease applies cleanly to 2.6.13.2? 1127500929 A * entroposcope just did it about 20 minutes ago 1127500939 M * Bertl yep, precisely, except for a few bugfixes, nothing new there 1127500948 M * entroposcope compiling now, looks ok so far 1127500968 M * douglas sweet deal 1127500993 M * douglas man they are coming out with kernels alot more quicker then back in the day, I member when a kernel release didnt happen for many weeks if not months 1127501064 M * Bertl well, 2.6 is still development^Wstable :) 1127501068 M * entroposcope hah 1127501088 M * Bertl k, brb, have to reboot ... 1127501441 M * douglas hey I forget is it patch -p1? 1127501509 M * entroposcope that's what worked for me 1127501640 Q * liquid3649 Quit: 1127501689 M * tomi did you run it with gdm well? 1127501906 J * A-Wing ~awing@80.229.99.238 1127502080 M * A-Wing ok, need pointing in the right direction here, got a FC3 vserver on a FC3 host (2.6.12 kernel). The IP address of the vserver is pingable but it doesn't show in ifconfig for host or vserver so can't use it for httpd or whatever 1127502130 M * Bertl welcome A-Wing! 1127502131 J * H76 ~user@201.137.33.39 1127502138 M * A-Wing hi Bertl 1127502139 M * Bertl welcome H76! 1127502142 M * H76 hy 1127502165 M * Bertl A-Wing: why do you think so (so can't use it for httpd or whatever)? 1127502206 M * H76 does somebody have a fc4 guest image ? 1127502248 M * H76 or how can i make my own images? 1127502269 M * Bertl H76: yes, you can make your own ... it's pretty simple 1127502287 M * A-Wing hmm....hang on a minute, problem may be something completely different, I don't think I'm getting enough sleep lately :) 1127502288 M * Bertl H76: what is your host system? 1127502290 M * H76 just copy all the dirs without proc and dev? 1127502301 M * H76 Bertl, fedora core 2 1127502310 M * Bertl yeah, for example .. you can clean up the guest once started 1127502320 M * Bertl (i.e. remove unnecessary packages and such) 1127502367 M * H76 so i can rsync every dir and thats it? 1127502399 M * A-Wing nope, its not something else, I have services running on the vserver (mysql for example) which I cannot connect to externally 1127502442 M * Bertl H76: yes, that should work ... 1127502453 M * H76 Bertl, cool, thx i will try 1127502461 M * Bertl A-Wing: well, let's do some tests, oaky? 1127502463 M * H76 i have another doubt, it is referent grsecurity with vserver 1127502471 M * H76 i cant use rpm and yum on a centos guest 1127502472 M * A-Wing Bertl, yes please 1127502474 M * H76 it appears: 1127502497 M * H76 [root@vserver:hds /]rpm 1127502497 M * H76 rpm: error while loading shared libraries: libbeecrypt.so.6: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied 1127502508 M * douglas hey bertl. is the patch for the 2.6.12.4 kernel still available? 1127502524 M * H76 it is about the stack protection but i dont know if chpax could help me 1127502533 M * Bertl douglas: yes, sure, why not? 1127502545 M * douglas where is it located? 1127502545 M * H76 has anybody experience this issue? 1127502571 M * Bertl A-Wing: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh 1127502590 M * A-Wing run that already, says successful on everything 1127502598 M * douglas nevermind 1127502625 M * Bertl douglas: http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_rel26/v2.0/patch-2.6.12.4-vs2.0.diff.bz2 1127502647 M * Bertl A-Wing: could you upload the output to pastebin.com or so? 1127502662 M * Bertl H76: do you have grsec/pax compiled in? 1127502676 M * H76 Bertl, yes 1127502710 M * Bertl well, then I assume you haven't configured it properly, no? 1127502740 M * A-Wing http://pastebin.com/372233 1127502754 M * Bertl H76: there is a debug/log mode, you might use that to identify the issue 1127502756 M * H76 well i have enabled the stack protection when i rebuild it but it seems it is a known issue, somebody proposes to use chpax for disable the flags to the elfs 1127502808 M * Bertl A-Wing: okay, now let's check with 'ip addr ls' regading the guest IPs 1127502851 M * H76 this issue just appears with yum and rpm commands, but it is not concerned to vserver, i have found something thanks anyway 1127502860 M * A-Wing http://pastebin.com/372234 1127502897 M * Bertl H76: ah, well, I guess it would benefit if grsec users would write up some linux-vserver and grsec howto ... 1127502931 M * H76 Bertl, exactly hehe but spender has no time :( 1127502941 M * H76 maybe grsecurity stops its development 1127502969 M * brc do you know if cpanel would work perfectly on linux-vserver ? 1127502976 M * Bertl H76: well, it did so several times, alway came back sooner or later ... 1127502991 M * Bertl brc: no idea .. depends on how deeply integrated it is ... 1127503002 M * Bertl A-Wing: so I assume .210 is your guest, right? 1127503006 M * A-Wing yep 1127503015 M * Bertl A-Wing: what services are running on the host? 1127503024 M * H76 Bertl, yes, it is cool to have something like selinux or pax or grsec so we need to be patient :) 1127503027 M * A-Wing mysql, mydns at the moment 1127503039 M * Bertl are they restricted to the host ip? 1127503082 M * A-Wing sorry, on the host, just ssh 1127503096 M * A-Wing which isn't restricted 1127503098 M * Bertl so no mysql on the host, right? 1127503104 M * A-Wing nope, mysql on the client 1127503134 M * Bertl okay, and when you start the mysql service (inside the guest, e.g. after you ssh-ed into it) what happens? 1127503145 M * Bertl does it complain about something? 1127503160 M * A-Wing it doesn't seem to 1127503173 M * tomi Bertl, gdm look that is running.. 1127503174 M * Bertl okay, but you can not reach it from outside, right? 1127503183 M * tomi with xdmcp 1127503190 M * tomi gdm 20644 0 3u IPv4 120825 UDP 10.0.1.11:xdmcp 1127503190 M * tomi gdm 20644 0 4u FIFO 3,3 574390 /var/lib/gdm/.gdmfifo 1127503190 M * tomi gdm 20644 0 5r FIFO 1127503197 M * tomi at local.. 1127503197 M * Bertl tomi: good, wiki page? 1127503204 M * tomi no my 1127503211 M * tomi brain,, 1127503223 M * tomi is posible run it.. 1127503234 M * tomi same is with kdm 1127503248 M * tomi I try gdm.. 1127503259 M * A-Wing nothing in the mysqld.log anyway and nothing on the console 1127503271 M * Bertl A-Wing: okay, but you can not reach it from outside, right? 1127503278 M * tomi A-Wing, you have touble with mysql? 1127503280 M * A-Wing right 1127503287 M * tomi I have to with 4.0.23.. 1127503291 M * A-Wing yep 1127503300 M * tomi but 4.1...woring well 1127503308 M * H76 Bertl, if i download the isos from a distro and mount them can i make an installation from the scratch on the vserver host?, or i guess there are specifical steps for each distro 1127503309 M * A-Wing its mysql 3.23.something 1127503314 M * Bertl A-Wing: okay, please try the following: ping -c 2 -I 85.234.136.210 www.google.com 1127503322 M * tomi from deb? 1127503330 M * A-Wing Bertl, in host or guest? 1127503342 M * Bertl A-Wing: on the host 1127503361 M * A-Wing that worked, 60ms 1127503384 M * Bertl H76: a long time ago, I managed to install Mandrake directly from the CD, with the Mandrake isntall script (second stage) into a directory ... 1127503400 M * Bertl H76: usually it's easier to just install it to some partition and use that 1127503447 M * Bertl A-Wing: good, now let's try the following: (host) tcpdump -vvnei eth0 host 85.234.136.210 1127503477 M * Bertl then connect to the guest's mysql port from outside ... after that, please upload the output 1127503489 M * H76 Bertl, cool, thanks for your time, congratz for the project i am discovering at this moment, i come from a BSD jails experience so i am new with vserver 1127503524 M * Bertl H76: ah, great, maybe you could do a short comparison between BSD jails and linux-vserver once everything is working for you 1127503538 M * A-Wing http://pastebin.com/372252 1127503565 M * H76 Bertl, yeah it is possible, when i make the paper i will post my experience with both projects 1127503629 M * Bertl hmm, paper? sounds interesting ... 1127503892 M * A-Wing I have only really had experience of 2.4 vservers before (and tested a 2.6 kernel one over 6 months ago, barely remember it). I'm sure I have done something silly :) 1127503974 M * Bertl 85.234.136.209 > 85.234.136.210: icmp 68: host 85.234.136.209 unreachable - admin prohibited for IP 1127504001 M * Bertl so to me it looks like some firewall blocks you, no? 1127504014 M * Bertl what is on 85.234.136.209, the/a router? 1127504030 M * A-Wing oh arse, stupid git I'm working for has put a firewall on 1127504043 M * A-Wing I didn't think to check 1127504060 M * A-Wing .209 is a vserver I am builing on another host, same problem 1127504065 M * Bertl don't worry, 99% of linux-vserver issues are not linux-vserver related at all :) 1127504075 M * A-Wing cheers, should be easy fix now 1127504089 M * Bertl you're welcome! feel free to hang around! 1127504146 M * A-Wing I will, many many thanks, been given 48 hours to get 2 vserver hosts running, 5 very old vservers migrated and 2 new ones, hence the panic :) 1127504163 M * Bertl should be a piece of cake :) 1127504169 M * A-Wing should be now :) 1127504232 M * A-Wing My day job is running the servers for a hosting company that has been using verver on Redhat 7.3 for years. Great product :) 1127504260 M * H76 A-Wing, wow with 7.3? 1127504268 M * H76 A-Wing, it is hardeneded i guess 1127504274 M * Bertl A-Wing: great! guess they are listed on our Hosting Page then, no? 1127504276 M * A-Wing I wish :) 1127504299 M * A-Wing one of our customers is listed 1127504306 M * A-Wing the one I'm migrating 1127504308 M * A-Wing studio51 1127504333 A * A-Wing works for netserve consultants ltd 1127504366 M * Bertl ah, well, you might consider listen them .. (unless there are good reasons for not doing so :) 1127504372 M * Bertl *listing 1127504399 M * A-Wing I will at some point :) 1127504528 M * A-Wing plus add stuff to a wiki tomorrow if required 1127504901 Q * H76 Quit: Abandonando 1127505090 Q * tomi Remote host closed the connection 1127505443 M * A-Wing disabled all the problem firewall stuff, works fine now, many thanks :) 1127505471 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127505471 M * Bertl the pleasure was all mine :) 1127505653 M * A-Wing Another really minor problem, minilogd process on the guest doesn't stop on a vserver stop command, the command just hangs, it has to be manually killed via the host, any ideas (not too important) 1127505670 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1127505673 M * Bertl don't use it ... 1127505695 M * Bertl future versions will provide a workaround for that ... 1127505743 M * A-Wing cool, cheers 1127505755 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch 1127506369 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-191.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1127506625 M * Bertl morning Aiken! 1127506667 M * Aiken hi 1127506703 M * Aiken trying out the bugzilla set up for the kernel, added a bug for alpha + 2.6.14 1127506719 M * Aiken as you play with the kernel do you think it was adequate info http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5296 1127506825 M * Bertl well, in this case it should be sufficient ... but usually I'd expect a complete boot trace ... 1127506846 M * Bertl (i.e. with all stuff like kernel command line and such) 1127506854 M * Aiken The dentry line was the top line in the photo 1127506940 M * Aiken I'll keep that in mind for next time 1127506991 M * Aiken the cmd line would have only been root=/dev/sda2 1127507074 M * Bertl np, I'll follow up with my alpha boot-trace 1127507842 M * A-Wing Is vserver x86_64 compatible? 1127507863 Q * Rusty` Quit: Leaving 1127507878 M * Bertl yes, and alpha, arm, sparc/64, hppa/64, ... 1127507899 M * Bertl ah, forgot ppc/64 and s390/x :) 1127507918 M * A-Wing funky stuff, put some new 64bit machines in the racks a few weeks ago, need to break them in 1127507971 M * A-Wing my boss wants the vserver files on an nfs so they can be started on any host hardware in case of host failure (just switch it on in another box) 1127508042 M * Bertl yes, for some reason lycos does similar :) 1127508102 M * A-Wing in the last building our racks were in it was so hot we were getting hardware failures daily 1127508119 M * A-Wing wouldn't be too bad but our office is an hour away 1127508333 M * Bertl yeah, some folks even have it running with drbd and heartbeat ... 1127510179 Q * Hollow Quit: /dev/zero 1127510508 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1127510899 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1127510965 M * Hollow hum.. 1127511011 M * Hollow Bertl: rc2 booted, but i'm getting lot's of these errors in dmesg, when trying to load my sound card module, any idea? 1127511013 M * Hollow snd_usb_audio: Unknown symbol __compound_literal.112 1127511048 M * Bertl looks like a sound or compiler issue 1127511102 M * Hollow hm.. gcc updated from 4.0.1 to some 4.0.2 prepatch in the latest world update 1127511191 M * Bertl I would not use 4.0.x for now, but YMMV 1127511346 Q * Hollow Quit: /dev/zero 1127511465 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1127512224 J * jayeola ~jayeola@host86-130-200-138.range86-130.btcentralplus.com 1127514230 J * jrc ~jrc@cpe.atm0-0-0-1101164.0x50a6e7aa.bynxx5.customer.tele.dk 1127514247 N * jrc Wenix 1127514315 Q * A-Wing Quit: Erection reset by queer 1127514335 N * Wenix jrcarlsen 1127514404 M * Bertl welcome jrcarlsen! 1127514802 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water) 1127515130 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Thank you 1127515162 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I wrote to the list not long ago about some oops. which I meant could be Gentoo/Hardware related 1127515179 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I've come a bit closer now 1127515187 M * Bertl yeah, do you have a log of that oops or a screenshot? 1127515217 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I do have a log and some more information 1127515230 M * Bertl excellent! 1127515309 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I can reproduce the error always on the newest vserver-kernel (Linux 2.6.12-vs2.0-rc8 SMP x86_64 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 244), but not on an older vserver-kernel (2.6.11.10-vs2.0-rc2) 1127515340 M * Bertl ahem, vs2.0 has been released ... 1127515361 M * Bertl the latest 'stable' pre is vs2.0.1-pre2 (2.6.13) 1127515397 M * Bertl but let's see what you have (from that kernel) 1127515443 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I mailed the oops to you - thought that might be easist 1127515447 M * jrcarlsen easiest 1127515480 M * Bertl is this a gentoo kernel? 1127515488 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: But whether its a general kernel/hardware fault, or a vserver fault - I don't know 1127515526 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Well, its not the stock Gentoo kernel, but the Gentoo package for vserver-sources 1127515556 M * Bertl could you try with either vs2.0 (from http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_rel26/v2.0/) or if you prefer 2.6.13 with this one: 1127515577 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.13-vs2.0.1-pre2.diff 1127515594 M * Bertl if you can reproduce it, it should be fairly easy to do that .. no? 1127515736 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: It should be easy, just a moment 1127515822 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1127515825 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: ... that is if the machine ever comes up again.. (I'm not physically near it) 1127515829 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection 1127515848 M * Bertl jrcarlsen: panic=60 should help there, I'm checking the code in the meantime .. 1127515915 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: It is still not up... not a good sign 1127515925 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I think I killed it 1127515961 M * Bertl fs checks can take a while ... 1127516004 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I can always hope.. otherwise I have to find a way to access it during the weekend 1127516026 Q * jayeola Quit: brb 1127516044 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I don't think it'll come up again... it haven't taken so long the last 15 kernel switches/reboots.. :-/ 1127516055 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: And its reiserfs, so no checkfs 1127516097 M * Bertl no serial console or such? 1127516115 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: No, nothing 1127516125 M * Bertl unfortunate ... 1127516129 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Its in a hosting center which I do not have a key for 1127516152 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: and all that has to be done is choosing an older kernel 1127516184 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Oh well, its now I wish I went for the expensive solution that included a key :) 1127516200 M * Bertl hmm, well, you could have used the single boot option ... 1127516211 M * Bertl (which then falls back to a known good kernel) 1127516247 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Aye, but I haven't used for many years - and only on lilo where it didnt ever work as intended (for me) 1127516258 M * Bertl lilo -R :) 1127516288 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I think its a udev/devfs problem 1127516309 M * Bertl could be ... 1127516341 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: but, no need to wonder about that - I'll catch you again when I have it up and running 1127516367 M * Bertl okay, please do so ... 1127516395 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: The oops I sent you, does it actually tell you anything? 1127516489 M * Bertl a little ... 1127516594 J * jayeola ~jayeola@host86-130-200-138.range86-130.btcentralplus.com 1127516808 M * Bertl jrcarlsen: it reminds me of an issue we fixed some time ago ... you might (if you have a copy of the kernel source at hand) verify that the fix is missing in your kernel ... 1127516821 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-2.0/delta-locks-fix0*.diff 1127516927 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Checking 1127517149 J * _are_ foobar@dsl-084-056-170-004.arcor-ip.net 1127517194 M * Bertl welcome _are_! 1127517277 M * _are_ hi 1127517506 M * jayeola hey chaps. i've run `make uninstall` within the source dir of util-vserver. is it now safe to remove /vservers/ ? 1127517556 M * Bertl should be ... 1127518215 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I don't know if the lock filters were applied to the kernel I tried, but I can tell you when I get the computer up again 1127518272 M * Bertl okay ... 1127518284 M * jrcarlsen lock filters = lock patches 1127518290 M * jrcarlsen (I'm getting tired) 1127518294 Q * jayeola Quit: new brb kernel 1127518313 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: But I will return as soon as I know more, thank you so far 1127518356 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1127518379 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Isn't hard to support the vservers as much as you do? - you seem to be ready to answer everyones questions, all the time 1127518895 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Well, I better get some sleep... keep up the good work :) 1127518904 Q * jrcarlsen Quit: ZzZZzz 1127519637 Q * prae Quit: Pwet