1127261044 Q * gndmstr Remote host closed the connection
1127261103 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1127261145 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-167.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1127262072 Q * jayeola Quit: leaving
1127262445 J * litage ~nick@203.201.96.210
1127262531 M * litage if vservers A and B are on the same host, and A sends data to B, does the host grab the packet from A, say "oh, this is headed for B. here you go B" or does the host send the packet on up to the switch and router?
1127262672 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.91
1127262734 M * daniel_hozac litage: it's local traffic, it uses the loopback interface.
1127262754 Q * mnemoc Read error: Connection reset by peer
1127263208 Q * menomc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127263419 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.91
1127265722 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1127266074 Q * kas_3 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127266079 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1127266259 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127266574 Q * kas_3 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127266628 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1127267444 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@h-67-103-176-157.mclnva23.covad.net
1127267449 Q * kas_3 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127268641 Q * Hunger Remote host closed the connection
1127268704 Q * dddd44 Quit: Leaving
1127268905 J * dddd44 U2FsdGVkX1@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1127269223 Q * litage Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127269934 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1127270119 J * litage ~nick@203.201.99.52
1127270384 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127273242 Q * michal Remote host closed the connection
1127273254 J * michal ~michal@graffias.estrefa.pl
1127277093 Q * litage Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127277336 J * tux_rulez ~sfeil@209.198.156.127
1127277804 J * litage ~nick@203.201.98.121
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1127280990 J * litage ~nick@203.201.99.69
1127282076 Q * Bertl_zZ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127282142 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.0, 2.0.1-pre2, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0-rc2 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)   
1127282142 T * Bertl -
1127282331 J * Bertl_zZ ~herbert@212.16.62.52
1127282529 Q * VooDooMaster Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127283112 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu
1127283282 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax7-222.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1127283638 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127285426 J * andrew_ ~andrew@tlug.sinica.edu.tw
1127287802 Q * AndrewLee Quit: leaving
1127290971 J * vip-vs ~vince@wc-178.r-195-85-188.essentkabel.com
1127291054 M * vip-vs hi folks!
1127291680 M * andrew_ vip-vs: hi
1127291685 N * andrew_ AndrewLee
1127291696 M * AndrewLee vip-vs: I just fixed my mail server.
1127291733 M * AndrewLee I found it was misconfiguration of postfix, but related to vserver2.
1127291744 M * AndrewLee sorry for the take
1127291748 M * AndrewLee sorry for the mistake
1127292442 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1127293657 J * prae ~prae@gut75-1-81-57-27-189.fbx.proxad.net
1127294595 Q * yungyuc Remote host closed the connection
1127294608 J * yungyuc ~yungyuc@220-135-53-220.HINET-IP.hinet.net
1127294749 M * vip-vs AdrewLee: no prob.  but I can't remeber you owing me an  apology ?
1127295443 M * AndrewLee vip-vs: I owing everyone in this channel an apology, cause I asked some stupid questions
1127295707 M * vip-vs AndrewLee: lol, wait untill I got some questions :D
1127297098 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1127297313 J * _are_ ~are@p54A09AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1127297515 Q * lilo_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127297729 M * litage how do you use the fakeinit flag?
1127298938 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127300793 M * vip-vs where should I set the path for Java & JBoss in a vserver guest that starts right up on booting? somewhere in /etc (for general usage) or user spefic?
1127300873 N * vip-vs vip-vs_lunchtime
1127302210 Q * Greek0 Quit: leaving
1127302494 J * Greek0 ~greek0@81.189.246.175
1127303325 N * vip-vs_lunchtime vip-vs
1127304591 J * are|lunch ~are@p54A0B068.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1127304981 Q * _are_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127304999 M * meebey can I run a X server inside a vserver?
1127305024 M * are|lunch meebey: yes, ther eis some FAQ entry about what capabilities are needed
1127305032 N * are|lunch _are_
1127305045 M * meebey k thx
1127305242 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk
1127305248 M * meebey _are_: I dont find it at http://linux-vserver.org/ProblematicPrograms
1127305256 M * meebey _are_: any idea where it could be?
1127305325 M * Greek0 hmm. I've seen that too, I think.
1127305335 M * _are_ uhm, quite a bit since i checked
1127305355 M * Greek0 http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200306/0177.html
1127305439 M * meebey thx
1127305444 M * meebey I will port that to wiki
1127305450 M * meebey when it works
1127305478 M * _are_ http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-Vserver+FAQ
1127305485 M * Greek0 http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-Vserver+FAQ
1127305494 M * _are_ -> G.5
1127305496 M * Greek0 meebey: G.5 there
1127305498 M * _are_ :->
1127305501 M * Greek0 _are_: :-P
1127305547 M * Greek0 meebey: what do you want an x server in a guest for actually?
1127305661 M * meebey modularity
1127305701 M * Greek0 hmm. do you want that on a devel system or on a production server?
1127305766 M * meebey production server
1127305789 M * meebey it will run vmware
1127305801 M * meebey part of a migration
1127305813 M * meebey for buggy windooze soft
1127305894 M * Greek0 ic
1127305966 M * Greek0 even makes sense :) I thought you'd use that for devel stuff (because that's what I use vservers mostly for), and I think stuff like vnc is probably a better idea if you want to test graphical programs there
1127306061 M * meebey or X11 forwarding
1127306145 M * Greek0 mm, probably an even better idea. I just never considered it since I always used vnc in the past
1127306187 M * Greek0 the "this isn't perfect, but it works reasonably well, and I'm just too lazy to try something else"-problem ;)
1127307113 M * Hollow olla
1127308568 Q * litage Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127308609 M * vip-vs hi Hollow!
1127308615 M * Hollow hi vip-vs 
1127308676 J * VooDooMaster VooDoo@topas.informatik.uni-ulm.de
1127309518 J * litage ~nick@203.201.97.87
1127313399 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1127313403 M * Bertl morning folks!
1127313597 J * gndmstr ~gndmstr@ip1.pathworx.sbbsnet.net
1127313679 M * gndmstr need some guidance here... my boss is now turned on by vservers. he has a dell 4x500mhz xeon processor machine with 4gb ram in it and 300gb raid 5.. how many guests do you think this can comfortably run? mixure of email web dns radius etc
1127313683 M * gndmstr my guess is 12
1127313686 M * gndmstr he wants to try 40
1127313732 M * gndmstr im more concerned iwth performance rather than disk space. that can be enlarged quite easily
1127313820 M * gndmstr oh it has a 4 nic card in it too which is good since we will use all 4 to different networks
1127313903 M * Bertl well, with proper tuning, I think something around 60-100 is possible (assumed the raid is good and the ram ist fast)
1127313936 M * gndmstr as fast as 500mhz processors will let it be.. i think its pc133
1127313958 M * gndmstr raid is hardware raid.. adaptec i believe, or maybe sym..
1127313974 M * gndmstr forget symbios or something like that
1127314010 M * Bertl well, hardware raid doesn't mean it's good ... software raid has a lot of advantages over hardware raid in certain situations
1127314060 M * Bertl so unless the controll is pretty smart, and the bus bandwidth is high, most soft raid solutions (especially for raid5) outperform the hardware raid
1127314070 M * gndmstr i suppose if worse came to worse we could turn the hardware raid off and use software raid
1127314108 M * Bertl yeah, as I said, needs tuning in any case ... the 4GB will need extra attention too
1127314133 M * Bertl (probably you want to go for a 1/3 split with 1GB highmem)
1127314163 M * gndmstr so std 4gb split then
1127314170 M * gndmstr he says its  dell Perc2 hardware
1127314214 M * gndmstr we dont know much about its performance other than this machine was a news hub for quite a while averaging a continuous pipe load of about 38gb
1127314238 M * gndmstr he wants to rebuild it and replace the disks and put it back into service
1127314339 Q * VooDooMaster Read error: Connection reset by peer
1127314356 M * gndmstr oops 38mb both ways sorry
1127314374 M * gndmstr it was using 2 oc3 lines one in and one out
1127314433 M * Hollow heya Bertl 
1127314497 J * gurubert ~gurubert@gk.ta.epigenomics.net
1127314505 M * gurubert hi
1127314512 M * Bertl hey gurubert!
1127314527 M * gurubert i just started with vserver on Debian sarge
1127314535 M * Bertl congrats!
1127314546 M * gurubert i got my first vserver up and running following the Debian HOWTO
1127314549 M * gurubert nice work
1127314593 M * gurubert but now i already have a question:
1127314607 M * gurubert i wasn't able to google the answer
1127314621 M * gurubert is it possible to run NIS inside the vserver?
1127314632 M * gurubert i understand that you need portmap running
1127314637 M * gurubert and that may be the problem
1127314731 M * yungyuc gurubert: with loopback device, NIS can work
1127314750 M * gurubert so i need to add a loopback device to the vserver?
1127314750 J * spd1snd ~psingh@46.sub-70-195-102.myvzw.com
1127314753 M * gndmstr dumb hardware question. is 64 bit PCI slots the same as PCI-X?
1127314774 M * gurubert with an address different to 127.0.0.1 of the host?
1127314781 M * daniel_hozac i thought 64-bit PCI was like two regular PCI slots next to eachother.
1127314797 M * daniel_hozac (emphasis on thought)
1127314829 M * yungyuc I had lo set to 127.0.0.1, then ypbind worked.
1127314845 M * Bertl gurubert: basically everything you do on a normal linux system is also possible
1127314851 M * _are_ gndmstr: no, that#s different
1127314854 M * gurubert okay i'll try
1127314882 M * Bertl gurubert: the question is just, how much do you want to allow the guest ...
1127314895 M * spd1snd anyone have trouble ssh'ing out from a vserver as a non-root user? i've got a vserver up and created a non-root user within it... when i try to ssh out to another machine, i get "Host key verification failed." ... i notice that /dev/tty isn't setup right on the vserver as compared to the root. by setting the permissions on /dev/tty to 666 within the vserver, the problem seems to go away... wondering if i'm opening myself up to exploitation by 
1127314925 M * _are_ gndmstr: existing to my knowledge: 32bit, 33MHz, 64bit, 33MHz, 32bit 66MHz, (64bit 66MHz ?), PCI-X is different, more a serial protocol afaik
1127314936 M * Bertl gurubert: (at some level, there is no point in using a context, if you give it all permissions the host has)
1127314957 M * Bertl spd1snd: non-vserver related issue, we already had that one, please search the archives
1127314973 M * spd1snd Bertl: thanks, i'll look into that now... thank you
1127314984 M * Bertl spd1snd: basically you are either in the wrong group, or the devpts is mounted with the wrong group
1127315011 M * gurubert Bertl: i do not need it for security, I just need to run several instances of apache
1127315025 M * gurubert it's for intra-company usage
1127315027 M * spd1snd Bertl: gotcha, i appreciate the help :)
1127315057 M * gurubert the vservers should all look like normal hosts on our network, including account info etc.
1127315059 M * Bertl spd1snd: actually, I hope you mean /dev/pty and not /dev/tty (which should not exist inside a guest at all, IIRC :)
1127315079 M * spd1snd bertl: actually, i do mean /dev/tty :)
1127315087 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: /dev/tty should exist in a guest.
1127315116 M * spd1snd well i know i didnt create /dev/tty :)
1127315126 M * Bertl okay, we are talking about /dev/tty (not /dev/tty*), right?
1127315131 J * gndmstr1 ~gndmstr@ip1.pathworx.sbbsnet.net
1127315133 M * daniel_hozac spd1snd: your guest build method should've created it.
1127315136 M * spd1snd bertl: right
1127315136 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: right.
1127315149 M * Bertl okay, that is fine, it always points to the 'current' tty
1127315159 M * gndmstr1 sorry bout that. machine locked up. been doing that in the past month randomly. suspect bad ram chip
1127315169 M * Bertl spd1snd: (so there is no security issue in making that a+rwx)
1127315182 M * gndmstr1 i dont know the difference in pci thats why i asked :)
1127315183 M * Bertl (and IIRC the default is 666 as you mentioned)
1127315220 M * spd1snd bertl: gotcha, just wanted to make sure... i have quite a few vservers up and running, i noticed that they all hvve tty set to 660, so ill go ahead and change them to 666... thanks again
1127315261 Q * gndmstr Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127315264 M * vip-vs morning Bertl! ... but got to go ...off-duty ;)
1127315265 M * Bertl otoh, I wonder, why ssh requires tty to be read/write-able by other
1127315281 M * vip-vs cya folks!
1127315295 M * Bertl cya vip-vs!
1127315297 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: because users aren't typically root or member of the tty group ;)
1127315313 Q * vip-vs Remote host closed the connection
1127315439 M * _are_ daniel_hozac: pam should take care of this and change the permissions upon login
1127315472 M * daniel_hozac _are_: and for shell servers?
1127315506 M * _are_ daniel_hozac: if you go in with vserver xy enter, no pam is involved
1127315537 M * daniel_hozac _are_: but then you're root.
1127315561 M * Bertl 'vserver xy enter' is kind of depreciated for 'normal work as user'
1127315654 M * _are_ daniel_hozac: well, I need to look it up again, either pam or 'login' sets the tty permissions
1127315660 M * daniel_hozac not on /dev/tty
1127315674 Q * gurubert Quit: Client exiting
1127315674 M * daniel_hozac /dev/tty is the current terminal device.
1127315683 M * Bertl yes, tty is fine with 666 
1127315710 M * Bertl evil but fine :)
1127315719 M * _are_ hmm, doesn't this permit anyone to sniff the data?
1127315730 M * Bertl on her _own_ tty, yes :)
1127315984 Q * Johnsie Remote host closed the connection
1127316064 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net
1127316222 Q * yungyuc Remote host closed the connection
1127316225 J * gurubert ~gurubert@gk.ta.epigenomics.net
1127316236 J * yungyuc ~yungyuc@220-135-53-220.HINET-IP.hinet.net
1127316283 M * [MUPPETS]Gonzo It looks like my vserver-guests loose their ip after some time. I did not start the IP on the host, it is started when I start the vserver. Where could I search for mistakes/errors?
1127316365 M * Bertl you are most likely suffering from the primary/secondary issue
1127316385 M * [MUPPETS]Gonzo which means?
1127316434 M * Bertl the linux-kernel if you assign more than one ip in the same network to one interface, will make the first IP a primary, and the others secondaries
1127316445 M * Bertl see 'ip addr ls' for details
1127316449 Q * spd1snd Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127316467 M * Bertl taking down the primary (without a special flag which was recently introduced into 2.6.13/14)
1127316478 M * Bertl will also take down all your secondaries ...
1127316482 M * mnemoc oh
1127316500 M * Bertl workaround: make a dummy IP on the host primary for every network
1127316527 M * Bertl (or use a very recent kernel and set that flag)
1127316530 A * mnemoc hold his 2.6.11.12
1127316535 M * [MUPPETS]Gonzo ok. You said "the first IP", does it mean the first ip started in the network or the lowest ip?
1127316543 M * [MUPPETS]Gonzo which flag is it?
1127316561 M * Bertl the first one assigned to the interface (i.e. the only one not marked secondary)
1127316576 M * Bertl for the flag, you have to google the net development list
1127316584 M * [MUPPETS]Gonzo ok
1127316605 M * Bertl okay, I'm off now, but I'll be back around midnight or a little later
1127316614 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1127316695 M * [MUPPETS]Gonzo thanks for the help!
1127316898 M * [MUPPETS]Gonzo it worked well and was the reason, thanks a lot
1127317129 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1127317455 M * gurubert hi
1127317467 M * gurubert is somebody using autofs inside a vserver?
1127317481 M * gurubert autofs complains about mount got permission denied
1127317497 M * gurubert I tracked it down and it seems that bind mounts are not allowed
1127317513 M * gurubert # mount --bind test1 test2
1127317515 M * gurubert mountie: permission denied
1127317531 M * gurubert where test1 and test2 are directories
1127317990 M * _are_ CAP_MOUNT missing is one of the essential features of a vserver, afaik. You can add it, but then you loose all your security
1127318001 M * gurubert i don't need security
1127318011 M * gurubert i just need virtaul servers ;-)
1127318183 M * Greek0 There is this secure mounting context-cap
1127318231 M * Greek0 look the ccapabilites file up on the flower page, there should be some reference to that stuff
1127318252 M * Greek0 I'm not sure however what the secure mounting stuff allows guests to do
1127318292 M * gurubert the flower page that is unreadable?
1127318315 M * SiD3WiNDR is it?
1127318353 M * gurubert i should open it in w3m...
1127318366 M * SiD3WiNDR or in mozilla
1127318390 M * gurubert in mozilla i would have to disable background image and colors...
1127318395 M * SiD3WiNDR not really
1127318407 M * SiD3WiNDR you just select one of the other styles :)
1127318442 M * gurubert how funny
1127318459 M * SiD3WiNDR is it?
1127318506 M * gurubert it's nice CSS work, but for a documentation page?
1127318521 M * SiD3WiNDR so select one of the other styles?
1127318546 M * SiD3WiNDR weedpage is pretty nice
1127318567 M * gurubert do i need weed to run a vserver?
1127318584 M * SiD3WiNDR try it
1127318633 M * gndmstr1 i just saved it to my drive so i can reference it locally. background is white and easily readable
1127318697 M * Greek0 gndmstr1: did that too ;)
1127318727 M * gndmstr1 im gonna re-save it once a week so i get any updates to it that way
1127318744 M * gurubert put wget into a cronjob
1127318773 M * gndmstr1 yep
1127318820 M * gurubert okay, back to my topic
1127318832 M * gndmstr1 brb 10 min
1127318835 M * gurubert i just put "mount" and "secure_mount" into ccapabilities
1127318841 M * gurubert but that didn't change anything
1127319028 Q * _are_ Quit: bbl
1127319093 Q * gurubert Quit: bye
1127319952 M * gndmstr1 Hollow: is this the version that has the stop fixes? sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.0_pre8-r2
1127320028 M * Hollow gndmstr1: you mean -r1?
1127320075 M * gndmstr1 i just got this: 
1127320079 M * gndmstr1 !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "baselayout" have been masked.
1127320079 M * gndmstr1 !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
1127320079 M * gndmstr1 - sys-apps/baselayout-1.11.13-r1 (masked by: package.mask)
1127320080 M * gndmstr1 - sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.0_pre8-r2 (masked by: package.mask, ~x86 keyword)
1127320080 M * gndmstr1 - sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.0_pre7-r1 (masked by: package.mask, ~x86 keyword)
1127320092 M * Hollow that's not baselayout-vserver
1127320098 M * gndmstr1 oops
1127320105 M * gndmstr1 think i need to go back to bed
1127320136 M * gndmstr1 doesnt look like its in the tree. ill get it from your page
1127320144 M * Hollow but, anyway, as i wrote on the ML, i have this fix on all my boxes, but missed to commit it
1127320165 M * gndmstr1 cool
1127320190 M * Hollow i'll make a -r2 with that fix later this evening
1127320226 M * gndmstr1 ok so ill wait then
1127320241 M * gndmstr1 no rush all is working fine now
1127320245 M * Hollow yup, just bumped vserver-sources to 2.1.0_rc2, so gonna try out this first.. ;)
1127320286 M * gndmstr1 great
1127320291 M * gndmstr1 so thats what im running now then
1127320293 M * gndmstr1 2.6.13.1-vs2.1.0-rc2
1127320307 M * Hollow did you patch it manually?
1127320312 M * gndmstr1 only im running vanilla
1127320313 M * gndmstr1 yeah
1127320322 M * Hollow k.. vserver-sources includes genpatches too
1127320354 M * Hollow rebooting.. brb
1127320355 M * gndmstr1 honestly im not sure i need/want those any more. im finding vanilla kernels are increasing the performance of my boxes noticably and im not sure why
1127320357 M * gndmstr1 ok
1127320368 Q * Hollow Quit: /dev/zero
1127320500 M * Greek0 somehow it's strange to see people talking about going to bed at really non-sensical time (it's 18.00 here)..
1127320529 M * Greek0 the positive aspect is that one gets used to it pretty fast, also because bertl does this all the time (although he lives in the same timezone as I do ;)
1127320787 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de
1127320804 M * Hollow oopsie
1127320813 M * Hollow attempted to kill init
1127321119 Q * litage Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127321146 M * Hollow Bertl_oO: http://home.xnull.de/misc/oops/
1127321255 M * gndmstr1 heh Greek0 yeah. its especially weird for me since its only 12:47 here. he keeps 'different' hours than most anyway
1127321275 M * Hollow yep.. BUT
1127321283 M * Hollow Bertl Universal Time
1127321293 M * gndmstr1 LOL
1127321307 M * mnemoc gndmstr1: we are on the same TZ :)
1127321315 M * gndmstr1 cool
1127321318 M * gndmstr1 im in florida
1127321327 M * mnemoc i'm at chile :p
1127321330 M * Hollow it's a known phenomenon
1127321338 M * gndmstr1 :)
1127321339 M * Greek0 Hollow: what, BUT? ;)
1127321342 M * Hollow yep
1127321343 M * Hollow :P
1127321344 M * Greek0 hehe
1127321390 M * Greek0 has anyone of you understood what bertl told us when we asked about the "can't open /dev/pts/.. error in vserver"?
1127321403 M * Hollow didn't even read it..
1127321503 M * Greek0 was some time ago
1127321602 M * gndmstr1 didnt read it either
1127321884 J * litage ~nick@203.201.96.182
1127321925 M * Greek0 Hollow: I guess the oops doesn't happen with the vanilla kernel
1127321935 M * Hollow probably
1127321938 M * Greek0 did you do anything special? what vserver patch version?
1127321954 M * Hollow genpatches-2.6.13-2 + 2.1.0-rc2
1127321964 M * Greek0 genpatches?
1127321977 M * Hollow a default gentoo patchset, which kernel maintainers can use
1127322016 M * Greek0 i.e. the analogon to a debianized kernel?
1127322039 M * Hollow probably
1127322066 M * Hollow though... only vserver patches are touching linvfs_*
1127322090 M * Hollow do you have 2.1.0-rc + vanilla?
1127322093 M * Hollow 2
1127322116 M * Greek0 yep
1127322119 M * Hollow hm
1127322122 M * Greek0 ah
1127322124 M * Greek0 but I don't run it
1127322133 M * Greek0 or.. do I
1127322137 A * Greek0 goes to check
1127322156 M * Greek0 ah, no
1127322167 M * Greek0 haven't forward ported -rc2 to the git kernels
1127322301 M * Greek0 otoh nothing got changed between rc1 and rc2 in fs/xfs/linux-2.6/xfs_super.c (which contains linvfs_fill_super)
1127322413 M * Hollow 2.1.0_pre5 runs fine here.. it's using genpatches-2.6.13-1 so the changes must be between these genpatches or in vserver patches
1127322469 M * Greek0 do you have CONFIG_QUOTA enabled?
1127322516 M * Greek0 It's certainly possible that the vserver patch causes an oops there. the only changed line is: +   sb->s_dqh->dqh_qcop = &linvfs_qops;
1127322532 M * Greek0 and s_dqh is some quota hash
1127322569 M * Greek0 how if the genpatches or whatever does strange things with the quota stuff, so taht sb->s_dqh contains a nonsensical value at that point, an oops is quite possible
1127322754 M * Hollow no quota enabled here
1127322786 M * Greek0 could you check fs/super.c::alloc_super()
1127322795 M * Greek0 if there is an assignment to s_dqh there
1127322811 M * Greek0 s->s_dqh = new_dqhash(s, (unsigned long)s); is what I have here
1127322908 M * Hollow sec..
1127322918 M * Hollow have to fix mod_php first.. ;)
1127322938 M * Greek0 rm -rf? ;)
1127322955 M * Hollow no, in gentoo cvs.. apache1 support was bit broken
1127323002 M * Hollow yup, i have the same lime in there
1127323104 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1127323139 M * gndmstr1 speaking of apache, is there anything special i have to do to a guest to run apache? i have made sure the iptables in the host permit port 80 to that ip.
1127323173 M * Hollow should work out of the box
1127323214 M * gndmstr1 ok then the problem is in the acls in the routers/switches probably blocking 80 there to that segment of the network. will have our router admin look at that
1127323246 M * Hollow well, try to reach apache from the host to guest...
1127323253 M * Hollow if it works, blame the router ;)
1127323261 M * gndmstr1 getting connection refused from the browser
1127323266 A * Greek0 's puzzled
1127323279 M * gndmstr1 will have to install lynx on the host then
1127323287 M * gndmstr1 no X at all
1127323291 M * Hollow telnet should be enough
1127323300 M * gndmstr1 k
1127323312 M * Hollow you know HTTP protocol?
1127323327 M * Greek0 what I don't understand too is that the first part of the oops says that it occurs within linvfs_fill_super, but the call trace doesn't look like it at all
1127323341 M * gndmstr1 very little
1127323369 M * Hollow gndmstr1: telnet guestip 80
1127323375 M * Hollow GET / HTTP/1.0
1127323378 M * Hollow \n
1127323385 M * Hollow ^^ type enter (newline)
1127323399 M * Hollow if it works, good
1127323406 M * Greek0 you need double-newline
1127323406 M * gndmstr1 works
1127323413 M * gndmstr1 get the test page
1127323415 M * Hollow blame the router ;)
1127323419 M * gndmstr1 :)
1127323453 M * gndmstr1 they have such a tight system set up in those things that ports are only permitted to contact ips that require them. the rest is blocked
1127323482 M * Hollow security by obscurity? ;)
1127323504 M * gndmstr1 its a good secure system but a pain in my tail by my standards.. at least for me when i want to do something... 
1127323506 M * gndmstr1 yeah
1127323511 M * Hollow well, i'm the oposite.. no iptables installed at all :P
1127323519 M * gndmstr1 see typically 80 is only allowed to contact 39 network
1127323528 M * gndmstr1 but now im putting apache for nagios on 32 network
1127323539 M * Hollow evil you!
1127323540 M * Hollow ;)
1127323552 M * gndmstr1 that machine is only hooked into 32 network
1127323561 M * gndmstr1 it cant work on 39
1127323588 M * gndmstr1 our vlan system is split into physical segments to the point that every nic has an assigned port on the switch
1127323606 M * gndmstr1 and it can only run in the network assigned to that port
1127323619 M * Hollow create a ssh tunnel?
1127323625 M * Greek0 sounds "secure"
1127323640 M * gndmstr1 prevented under this system
1127323654 M * gndmstr1 it is impossible for a nic to be a member of more than one network
1127323662 M * Greek0 Hollow: care to oops your kernel once again? ;)
1127323671 M * Hollow ehm.. ;)
1127323676 M * gndmstr1 the only way a machine can ssh into another machine is via our pvt network
1127323680 M * gndmstr1 ok will contact laura
1127323690 M * Hollow oops it with a probably-fix or just oops it again? :P
1127323703 M * Greek0 or try out genpatches without vserver
1127323710 M * Hollow hm, k
1127323714 M * Greek0 donno how high the probability of a problem in genpatches is
1127323781 M * Greek0 oh wait
1127323801 M * Greek0 before you recompile your kernel without vserver, can you stick a debug printk in there where it oopsed?
1127323820 M * Hollow sure
1127323885 M * Greek0 something like printk(KERN_NOTICE "DEBUG: sb->s_dqh = 0x%x", (unsigned long int)sb->s_dqh);
1127323897 M * Greek0 printk(KERN_NOTICE "DEBUG: sb->s_dqh = 0x%x\n", (unsigned long int)sb->s_dqh);
1127323902 M * Greek0 will be nicer with \n ;)
1127323997 M * Hollow k ;)
1127324001 M * Hollow where does it appear?
1127324198 M * Greek0 mom
1127324489 N * micah_ micah
1127325155 J * MizLinux Equonix@213-48-162-135.haw.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk
1127325221 M * MizLinux hey all does anyone have a Step-By-Step guide to installing vserver i have had some issues before and would prefer a step by step instruction. Please advise! =)
1127325433 M * daniel_hozac MizLinux: http://linux-vserver.org/Step-by-Step+Guide+2.6 ?
1127325472 M * mnemoc there is documentation not using 'vserver' helper?
1127325511 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1127325915 M * Greek0 mnemoc: hu?
1127325945 M * mnemoc to implement something similar without re-engineering the helper :)
1127325976 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de
1127325981 M * Hollow Greek0: 0x0
1127325984 M * Greek0 mm
1127325997 M * Greek0 makes sense at least :)
1127326002 M * Hollow yup :P
1127326099 M * Greek0 I guess you use xfs for /?
1127326212 M * Hollow xfs everyhwere
1127326215 M * Hollow ;)
1127326371 M * stefani only now do i see that the flower page has multiple styleshheets.
1127326385 M * Hollow weeed
1127326391 M * Hollow ahem.. ;)
1127326399 M * Greek0 oh, poor soul. how long did you live with the default stylesheet?
1127326411 M * stefani too many months. 
1127326461 M * MizLinux If I post tooo many lines will I get kicked?
1127326465 M * Greek0 wow
1127326474 M * Greek0 MizLinux: use one of the online paste services
1127326488 M * Greek0 doesn't really matter which one, I use paste.debian.net all the time
1127326505 M * stefani http://rafb.net/paste/
1127326507 M * MizLinux thanks gree0 :)
1127326590 M * MizLinux http://paste.debian.net/1999 How od :|
1127326698 M * Greek0 MizLinux: what distro are you on? you need to install the stuff needed to compile gcc
1127326705 M * Greek0 most importantly gcc and binutils
1127326714 M * MizLinux Debian Sarge
1127326741 M * Greek0 apt-get install build-essential
1127326769 M * Greek0 oh, and you probably want kernel-package. it makes building .deb out of kernel trees easier
1127326813 M * Greek0 apt-get install kernel-package libc6-dev gcc debianutils make libncurses5-dev
1127326824 M * Greek0 ^-- that's all the stuff you probably want
1127326839 M * MizLinux Thanks I appreciate the help very much :)
1127326852 M * Greek0 just look for howtos on building your kernel the debian way
1127326863 M * Greek0 must be online somewhere, I only have instructions in german here
1127326897 M * MizLinux I have A-Level in German so I could try and understand it ;)
1127326954 M * Greek0 http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-dpkgundco.html#s-makekpkg
1127326975 M * Greek0 well, it consists mostly of copying the stuff that's written in fixed-font ;)
1127327107 M * MizLinux Thanks :)
1127327109 M * Greek0 Hollow: buarg. xfs is _ugly_
1127327435 M * Greek0 Hollow: do you have to fsck after the oops? or does it happen before the fs is marked rw-mounted on disk?
1127327519 Q * michal Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1127327547 J * michal ~michal@graffias.estrefa.pl
1127327651 M * Hollow Greek0: no recovery after reboot
1127327912 M * Greek0 mm
1127327934 M * Greek0 good, that means you can easily do more tests without fear of data loss ;)
1127327952 A * Greek0 puts up his evil, _evil_ face ;)
1127328027 M * Greek0 would you be interested in debugging this, or do you want to just wait for bertl, as he could perhaps see the problem without further investigation?
1127328635 M * Hollow well... i'm not that keen on rebooting.. ;)
1127329135 M * Greek0 k
1127329184 M * gndmstr1 this is kinda off topic.... does anyone know if the 2.6 series kernels support the Megaraid 466 ?
1127329243 M * Greek0 http://www.google.com/search?q=linux%20Megaraid%20466
1127329317 M * gndmstr1 thanks... was hoping a hardware guru would know quickly.. will search that. hope it does..
1127329369 M * Greek0 man even the first link is to a mail from 1999 and talks about megaraid.c and about megaraid 466
1127329856 Q * Johnsie Quit: G'bye!
1127329878 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net
1127332150 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1127332164 M * gndmstr1 yeah .. i gave up its all old stuff... i went into the current kernel megaraid.c code and searched in there. it supports it but there are caveats depending on firmware versions
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1127333055 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1127333460 J * _are_ foobar@dsl-084-056-138-042.arcor-ip.net
1127333889 Q * dddd44 Remote host closed the connection
1127334463 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1127335430 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch
1127336049 Q * kevinp|gone Quit: Leaving
1127337336 Q * MizLinux Quit: 
1127337351 Q * mef Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10
1127338226 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1127338687 J * tuxcapoeira ~capoeira@85-124-167-78.work.xdsl-line.inode.at
1127339136 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net
1127339158 M * comfrey hey all :)
1127339189 M * comfrey i am trying to figure out some issues with my vserver setup.
1127339204 M * comfrey i am running sarge with a custom kernel.
1127339212 M * comfrey i have many vservers...
1127339240 M * comfrey and i am also running a similar environment on my desktop but with sid
1127339254 M * comfrey anyway... this issue is with my networking interfaces.
1127339282 M * comfrey on my sid box i dont see the ip listed on the interface
1127339307 M * Greek0 hm?
1127339309 M * comfrey the command i created the interface with comes from the riseup folks...
1127339323 M * comfrey so the vserver is bound to eth0
1127339337 M * comfrey but ifconfig on the host shows no ip 
1127339344 M * Greek0 why?
1127339356 M * comfrey well it shows the host ip... 
1127339363 M * comfrey but not the vserver ip
1127339373 M * comfrey i am not sure.
1127339395 M * Greek0 on the host you should see the normal ifconfig output, the same as without vservers
1127339429 M * comfrey ok... well then where can i see the vserver ip tied to the interface from the host?
1127339429 M * Greek0 on the guest ifconfig should output what you specified in /etc/vservers/<name>/interfaces/..
1127339489 M * comfrey so ifconfig in the guest shows the interface but no ip.
1127339508 M * Greek0 what stuff do you have in /etc/vservers/<name>/interfaces/ ?
1127339538 M * comfrey dev=eth0
1127339550 M * comfrey ip=192.168.1.51
1127339565 M * comfrey rpefix=24
1127339569 M * comfrey prefix
1127339579 M * comfrey thats all
1127339596 M * Greek0 but you do have the directory hierachy there, not just one config file? (just to be sure)
1127339609 M * comfrey yes 3 files, one line each
1127339669 M * Greek0 try adding mask. I'm not sure if you need it, but I have it here
1127339692 M * comfrey mask=255.255.255.0
1127339693 M * comfrey ?
1127339733 M * Greek0 probably. depends on your setup, but it seems right
1127339759 M * comfrey yeah, i think that is calculated by the prefix... but i'll throw it in anyway
1127339798 M * Greek0 what is prefix actually? 24 like in 192.168.1.51/24
1127339848 M * comfrey prefix is network prefix.
1127339860 M * comfrey # of bits that represent the network #
1127339879 M * Greek0 mm
1127339886 M * comfrey is equal to the netmask, just a different way to write it
1127339903 M * comfrey 8 bit prefix is 255.0.0.0
1127339905 M * Greek0 mm yep
1127339919 M * Greek0 I understand what it means, just didn't know it was known as network prefix
1127339927 M * comfrey ah, i see
1127339957 M * Greek0 what is the ip of your host actually? also in the 192.168.1.0/24 subnet?
1127339962 M * comfrey so... is there a way of seeing the guest address on the host?
1127340014 M * comfrey or is the only way to look in /etc or use vserver-info
1127340014 Q * Johnsie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1127340022 M * Greek0 by cat'ing /etc/vservers/<name>/interfaces/*/* (unless you changed those values and haven't restarted the server yet)
1127340045 M * comfrey hmm.. i just wish it'd be a bit more apparent
1127340046 M * Greek0 it actually doesn't matter too much, since normally guests don't have the capabilites to change their network setup
1127340053 M * comfrey right.
1127340065 M * comfrey but from the host perspective...
1127340078 M * Greek0 you can probably also do vserver <name> exec ifconfig or something thelike.
1127340084 M * comfrey if i am a host i want to see what addrs my interface is going to accept
1127340087 M * comfrey y'know
1127340097 M * comfrey without having to go to etc
1127340155 M * Greek0 cat /etc/vservers/*/interfaces/*/ip ? what's wrong with that?
1127340375 M * Greek0 or: # ( cd /etc/vservers; for i in *; do vserver $i exec ifconfig; done ) | grep "inet addr"
1127340427 M * Greek0 where both kind'a assume that you don't start your vserver names with "." ;)
1127340591 M * comfrey yeah, just from a network admin stance it can be confusing...
1127340605 M * comfrey if i want to collect stats on teh virtual interface ...
1127340637 M * comfrey i am sure it is an issue being considered.
1127340665 M * daniel_hozac ip a ls in the host should show all addresses.
1127340733 M * Greek0 oh cool daniel_hozac 
1127341054 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net
1127341677 M * comfrey daniel_hozac: sweet, thanks
1127341692 A * comfrey remembers ifconfig is depricated
1127341960 J * Aiken ~james@tooax7-056.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1127341988 M * stefani comfrey:    you can do   ip addr show
1127342343 M * comfrey hey stefani :)
1127342352 M * comfrey thanks, yaeh
1127342736 M * stefani comfrey:   vservers rock.
1127343035 M * comfrey heh, yeah, that is what i am discovering.
1127343507 Q * tuxcapoeira Quit: Ex-Chat
1127345596 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1127345602 M * Bertl evening folks!
1127345691 M * Aiken greetings from utc+10
1127345890 M * litage what modifications are needed to allow djb's daemontools to run inside a vserver?
1127345968 M * gndmstr1 evening Bertl, Aiken :)  
1127345989 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1127346011 M * litage Aiken: where're you located? i'm in the gold coast  :)
1127346027 M * gndmstr1 im gonna guess he is in AU
1127346030 M * Aiken a couple of hours from you, up on the range a few km south of toowoomba
1127346034 M * litage gndmstr1: aye
1127346047 M * Bertl litage: are there any changes required?
1127346073 M * Bertl Hollow: interesting oops ...
1127346130 Q * Johnsie Remote host closed the connection
1127346342 M * Greek0 Bertl: forward ported 2.1.0-rc2 to .14-rc2 now, though not much conflicts since I mailed you my diff last time.
1127346424 M * Bertl good, I'll double check the changes soon, maybe we can simplify a few other things too
1127346437 M * Bertl Greek0: what was the result of your oops hunting?
1127346937 M * litage in trying to remove a vserver, i deleted /etc/vservers/GUEST/ and /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/GUEST/* but when i try to remove that 2nd directory, this error occurs:  "cannot remove directory `/vserver/DNS-slave2': Device or resource busy"
1127346977 M * litage the vserver isn't running, and lsof doesn't mention it either