1126138618 M * ray6 hi bertl, sitting in my starting plane back to munich :)
1126138643 M * Greek0 Bertl: was there actually a solution for oliwel's problem?
1126138653 M * Bertl ray6: sounds good, network on the plane?
1126138668 Q * obi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1126138675 M * Bertl Greek0: who is oliwel and what was his problem?
1126138696 M * Bertl Greek0: btw, Al Viro is @ kernelnewbies ...
1126138768 M * Greek0 Bertl: just following his howto :)
1126138777 M * Greek0 or what do you mean?
1126138848 M * Greek0 ad oliwel: I had a one hour discussion with him before about some network stuff, but I didn't see a solution
1126138927 M * Bertl okay, will read up on it in a few minutes
1126138952 Q * cereal Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1126139096 J * cereal koepi@217.20.124.153
1126139171 J * obi ~obi@asus.saftware.de
1126139258 J * SNy 7b75c3b9ce@bmx-chemnitz.de
1126139453 M * Bertl Greek0: oliwel's issue is similar to the problem recently warmed up on the ML
1126139671 M * Greek0 hmm. when rereading the mail it's really the same problem
1126139686 M * Greek0 probably I should pay more attention when reading the ML
1126139742 M * Bertl well, it's not really intuitive behaviour ...
1126140029 M * Greek0 *grml* compiling gcc-cross for sparc fails *grmbl*
1126140057 Q * cereal Quit: Serverwechsel
1126140134 Q * SNy Remote host closed the connection
1126140228 M * Bertl Greek0: which gcc, what target/host?
1126140276 M * Greek0 gcc-3.3 from sarge, compilation environment: sarge too, target arch: sparc
1126140337 M * Bertl so you're cross compiling a native sparc gcc, on x86, right?
1126140425 M * Greek0 no, I'm building a gcc cross compiler on x86 for x86, that should generate sparc code
1126140576 M * Bertl ah, well, that is simple ...
1126140612 M * Bertl kernel or userspace (i.e. glibc or not?)
1126140637 M * Greek0 well, for kernel stuff mostly
1126140651 M * Greek0 why does that matter?
1126140667 M * Bertl because kernel has a shortcut ...
1126140687 M * Greek0 ok, let's try the shortcut ;)
1126140702 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/Cross/
1126140727 M * Bertl check the howto.info for the basics ...
1126140739 M * Bertl and get the latest spec file for the details ...
1126140759 M * Bertl the procedure is trivial, and you probably can hack a deb package in half an hour)
1126140782 M * Bertl (for all 20 kernel archs, that is :)
1126140837 M * Greek0 I was following that one: http://lwn.net/Articles/108715/
1126140846 M * Greek0 and up to the gcc build step everything worked fine
1126140865 M * Bertl yeah, well ...
1126140878 M * Greek0 http://paste.debian.net/1836
1126140969 M * Greek0 I don't even need that 64bit stuff
1126141886 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host240.201-252-25.telecom.net.ar
1126141893 Q * keyser_soze Quit: 
1126142134 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-061.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1126142607 M * Bertl welcome Aiken!
1126142766 M * Aiken good lunch time
1126143072 J * cereal koepi@217.20.124.153
1126143283 J * SNy 6a8679584f@bmx-chemnitz.de
1126144304 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host240.201-252-25.telecom.net.ar
1126144307 Q * keyser_soze Quit: 
1126144728 M * ray6 ah, finally online on the plane...
1126144800 M * Bertl ray6: now you can run linux-vserver in 7000m :)
1126144825 M * Bertl s/in/at/
1126144832 M * ray6 Bertl: if I had a vserver kernel on the notebook, yes :)
1126144853 M * ray6 of course I could download one :) 
1126144854 M * Bertl now I'm disappointed of you ...
1126144874 M * Johnsie I haven't looked yet, so pardon me for my ignorance, but is the VServer kernel running on AMD 64 or PPC or anything else yet?
1126144885 M * ray6 I have ssh, I dont need vservers local :)
1126144909 M * Bertl Johnsie: yep, on basically all kernel archs ...
1126144915 M * Johnsie Oooooweee.
1126144917 M * Johnsie Neat.
1126144965 M * Bertl you can even have x86 guests on x86_64 hosts ...
1126144981 M * Johnsie Awesome.
1126144984 M * Johnsie I may play with that.
1126144997 M * Johnsie I have an AMD 64 PC coming this month.
1126145007 Q * fluor- Remote host closed the connection
1126145010 M * ray6 hm, above boston now or something like this... 
1126145023 A * ray6 also wants to get an amd64 somewhen soon
1126145041 M * Bertl Johnsie: good decision, they are getting stable now and the x86_64 design is much better than the x86 one ...
1126145066 M * Johnsie I dropped about $3200 on a custom HP order, so we'll see, ray6.
1126145075 A * ray6 still has tears in his eyes when thinking of alpha
1126145076 M * Johnsie I'll let you know how well it takes off.
1126145083 M * Aiken Bertl do you have any ideas about cow + nfs? I don't know the kernel enough to start looking without some serious hints
1126145093 M * Johnsie A friend even suggested a Sun Ultra 20, but they seem overpriced for all the more they've got under the hood.
1126145112 M * Aiken though I am happy enough to stay with aoe at the moment
1126145116 M * Bertl Aiken: I guess I even have a partial solution :)
1126145132 M * ray6 Suns are nice but I don't see reasons to buy "real" ones to run linux
1126145149 A * Aiken races off to start his alpha
1126145159 M * ray6 older ones for fun are nice, but the expensive ones are for people who want solaris
1126145187 M * Bertl Aiken: the important, yet missing, piece is that linux-nfs does not support attributes (including x/ea ones) by default ...
1126145197 Q * SNy Read error: Connection reset by peer
1126145198 J * SNy 9d860106d6@bmx-chemnitz.de
1126145209 M * Bertl Aiken: fortunately some folks _do_ provide patches ...
1126145230 M * Bertl (so the only thing left to do is to integrate them with the linux-vserver stuff)
1126145338 M * Aiken will that be client side or server side or both?
1126145372 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1126145373 M * Bertl both I guess, as both ends have to understand the attributes
1126145379 M * Bertl welcome mountie!
1126145911 M * ray6 so, diner gets served... bbl, too little space for meal and notebook
1126145957 M * Bertl enjoy your meal ...
1126146488 M * Bertl Aiken: hmm, seems I spoke too soon, the patches do implement all kind of stuff, except for the xattribs required ... :/
1126146624 M * Aiken :(
1126146639 M * Bertl nevertheless we might do COW breaking on the filer ...
1126146664 M * Bertl i.e. when the server is instructed to write, it initiates the breaking ...
1126146889 Q * Hunger Quit: changing servers
1126146915 M * Aiken silly question, how many people want this on nfs?
1126146935 M * Bertl to be honest, currently one ... :)
1126147023 M * Aiken that is what I thought
1126147081 M * Bertl so we put it back until other folks want it too, okay?
1126147082 M * Aiken now that aoe is doing what I want I am happy to let that idea go unless more support builds up for cow on nfs
1126147089 M * ray6 reee
1126147166 M * Aiken yes
1126147222 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@213.163.11.138
1126148793 M * ray6 hm, think I'll get some sleep now
1126149191 M * Bertl ray6: good night then!
1126149607 M * ray6 thanks :) Hope I'll have some more time to play around with vserver soon... have to bring my second bgp online the next 2 weeks but then...
1126149636 Q * SNy Remote host closed the connection
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1126150015 J * obi ~obi@asus.saftware.de
1126150844 J * douglas ~douglas@douglas.user.oftc.net
1126150850 M * douglas hey bertl
1126150853 M * douglas you alive?
1126150890 M * douglas what init styles are there built into vserver? I know of sysv and plain, is there another kind of init style?
1126150939 M * Bertl evening, I'm alive, yes, there is also gentoo (deprecated, IIRC) and minit
1126150963 M * douglas so if we wanted to boot a gentoo system what would the init style be? "deprecated" ?
1126151002 M * Bertl yeah, probably (lol) no, IIRC the correct style is plain now ...
1126151012 M * douglas slack is also deprecated
1126151018 M * douglas cuz slack requires plain init
1126151021 M * douglas right?
1126151045 M * Bertl plain is okay .. just the 'gentoo' style is not liked by the gentoo folks ...
1126151102 M * douglas ahh
1126151121 M * douglas so is that the way gentoo is? or is that the way gentoo has to be booted by vserver?
1126151180 M * Bertl basically almost all major distros around, except special embedded distros 'natively' use the 'plain' init style, as they provide an init
1126151213 M * douglas so redhat and debian would boot using plain init? so does plain init take the place of fakeinit I assume?
1126151217 M * Bertl if a distro has 'sane' sysv runlevel scripts, then you can save on the init process and get it running without that (style: sysv)
1126151262 M * Bertl if your distro uses minit (for whatever reason) you can 'emulate' that with the 'minit' style
1126151289 M * douglas wtf is minit? 
1126151386 M * Bertl http://www.fefe.de/minit/
1126151409 M * douglas is it in english?
1126151420 M * Bertl yep
1126151465 M * douglas Is there any distro you know of that runs minit from start?
1126151508 M * douglas I'm sures theres a few small distros, but the major ones, like slackware, redhat, debian, suse. mandrake, gentoo
1126151568 M * douglas they dont use minit on start, you have to install it I'm sure
1126151580 M * douglas cuz I've used all of those and never heard of minit.
1126151637 M * Bertl yes, it's not that popular on the big distros ...
1126151637 M * douglas back in the legacy version of vserver, if you wanted to use /etc/inittab you had to use fakeinit, does that still apply to the newer version?
1126151669 M * Bertl no, that's legacy stuff ...
1126151682 M * Bertl the plain init style will do that ...
1126151715 M * douglas thats what I thought
1126152043 M * douglas so why is plain not like or "hated" by some folks?
1126152057 M * douglas whats the advtages of sysv versus plain?
1126152086 M * Bertl well, let me give a typical example:
1126152127 M * Bertl consider a bunch of vservers, dedicated for service separation, e.g. they all look alike, and they all have for example apache, ssh and mysql running inside
1126152161 M * Bertl the mysql is used for a wiki or whatever and the apache does serve the pages, ssh is added for admin access
1126152162 M * douglas ok
1126152176 M * douglas ok and this is on all vservers?
1126152190 M * douglas all vservers are doing apache doing wiki etc.etc? or it doesn't mater
1126152193 M * douglas they could do whatever
1126152204 M * Bertl they could do whatever, but the setup is identical
1126152209 M * douglas ok
1126152247 M * Bertl now you've got 20 of those guests, and in each one there is an init running, which is doing exaclty nothing, more precisely, nothing useful ...
1126152267 M * douglas so its taking up resources it doesn't need?
1126152279 M * Bertl none of the services are init based, no consoles or terminals are attached there
1126152294 M * Bertl nothing has to be restarted or changed on runlevels
1126152326 M * Bertl so you can make this simpler by 'just' starting and stopping the services (apache, sshd, mysql) when the guest is started/stopped
1126152327 M * douglas ok
1126152341 M * Bertl and that is exactly what the sysv init style does
1126152380 M * Bertl so it's not a question of distribution or compatibility, it's a question of setup and preference
1126152421 M * Johnsie Bertl:  How'd you get to be so damn smart?
1126152440 M * Bertl Johnsie: must be something in my breakfast :)
1126152447 M * Johnsie Share, would you?
1126152448 M * Johnsie haha
1126152471 M * Johnsie I'll trade you my knowledge in telephony for your knowledge in Linux.
1126152482 M * Johnsie haha
1126152507 M * Bertl hmm, I've spent three years in a local telco company, implementing VoIP, so I'm not sure I want to trade :)
1126152516 M * Johnsie Oh, damn.
1126152522 M * Johnsie Land Mobile Radio?
1126152523 M * Johnsie heh
1126152534 M * Bertl yeah, that might be interesting :)
1126152579 M * douglas thanks bertl, you help me understand the difference.
1126152590 M * Bertl douglas: you're welcome!
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1126152997 J * litage ~nick@203.201.96.188
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1126152997 J * Beave ~beave@vistech.org
1126152997 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1126152997 J * case ~case@donpanic.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de
1126152997 J * Bertl ~herbert@212.16.62.52
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1126152997 J * revenger_ ~joe@bulldog.infosys.de
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1126152997 J * michal ~michal@michal.usercloak.oftc.net
1126152997 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
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1126152997 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
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1126152997 J * stupidawy foo@198.77.239.131
1126152997 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1126152997 J * HostingGeek ~m00@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au
1126152997 J * G|bei|Ratten ~gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1126152997 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-6f1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1126152997 J * BobR_oO ~georg@212.16.62.52
1126152997 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be
1126152997 J * wibble ~tim@sophie.wobb1e.co.uk
1126152997 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu
1126152997 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de
1126152997 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my
1126152997 J * logger ~rs@vds.pas-mal.com
1126153681 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now ... back in the afternoon ...
1126153695 M * Bertl have a good whatever everyone, and cya!
1126153700 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1126153740 N * G|bei|Ratten [MUPPETS]Gonzo
1126153777 Q * Aiken Read error: Connection reset by peer
1126153954 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-061.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1126154711 Q * cereal Quit: Serverwechsel
1126154789 M * mugwump damn, can't debootstrap woody on new kernels ... broke somewhere between 2.6.10 and current
1126154800 M * mugwump error is
1126154801 M * mugwump dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument
1126154814 Q * SNy Remote host closed the connection
1126154817 M * mugwump syscall: old_mmap(NULL, 0, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, 4, 0) = -1 EINVAL
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1126157094 Q * douglas Quit: 
1126157607 Q * jebba Quit: Leaving
1126157824 M * Johnsie Hmmm...
1126157829 M * Johnsie Any Gentoo VServer users handy?
1126157833 M * litage if the date in my vservers/guests is wrong, but the date on their host is correct, how can i fix the vservers' dates?
1126157856 M * Johnsie litage: How is it wrong, per se?
1126157866 M * Johnsie Is the time actually off, or just different time zones?
1126157900 M * eyck  w
1126157937 M * Johnsie And, what distros are the host and guests, for the sake of my curiousity?
1126159039 J * aznboifaka ~brianlam9@dialup-4.248.10.37.Dial1.Honolulu1.Level3.net
1126159062 P * aznboifaka 
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1126173019 J * frz ~frzzzz100@jaim.at
1126173040 M * frz Hello 
1126173088 M * frz http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.13-vs2.1.0-pre6.diff.bz2 is working fine with vroot devices or can i expect some problems?
1126173223 M * Aiken_ I didn't know there was a 2.1.0-pre6, I had been using pre5
1126173227 M * Aiken_ time to start compiling
1126173520 M * frz ;)
1126173545 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1126173550 M * frz whats about vroot in 2.1.0-pre5 ?
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1126173905 Q * maharaja Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1126174334 M * martin hello... i'm converted my old .conf files to the new directory based structure, and now i'm stuck since the setting of the nodename is ignored... does anyone has any idea on possible reasons?
1126174377 M * martin in /prov/virtual/.../cvirt the name of the main host is given, not the one i've set in uts/nodename
1126174550 J * raoul spear@ip52.ipax.at
1126174555 M * raoul hi
1126174571 M * martin hi
1126174822 M * raoul mhm
1126174834 M * raoul im having troubles with my linux server
1126174841 M * raoul and do not know where the problem originates from... :-/
1126174863 M * raoul what can i do to locate the problem
1126174869 M * raoul sometimes, the serve simply hangs
1126174900 M * raoul and as it is located of shore, im not able to plug a monitor/keybord into the server
1126174919 M * raoul and using minicom and a serial console does not show any information
1126174923 M * raoul about problems and stuff
1126174946 M * raoul kernel 2.6.12.3-vs2.0-rc8.1
1126175119 M * raoul any hints how to get more information from the serial console?
1126175801 M * raoul *wating* ;)
1126176348 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com
1126176657 Q * SNy Read error: Operation timed out
1126176815 J * SNy 2b809ce457@bmx-chemnitz.de
1126176879 Q * Aiken_ Quit: Leaving
1126177835 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1126177876 P * frz 
1126178065 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1126180315 J * SNy_ 812e7c8dde@bmx-chemnitz.de
1126180315 Q * SNy Read error: Connection reset by peer
1126180623 N * SNy_ SNy
1126182170 Q * toidinamai Quit: leaving
1126182966 J * frz ~frz@jaim.at
1126182975 M * frz hello
1126183062 M * martin wb
1126183493 M * frz anybody knows about possible solution - having problems with quotas 2.6.12.4-vs2.0
1126183514 M * frz root@hostB:~# lsmod|grep vroot
1126183514 M * frz vroot                   5640  0
1126183514 M * frz root@hostB:~# vrsetup /dev/vroot1 /dev/drbd1
1126183514 M * frz root@hostB:~# lsmod|grep vroot
1126183514 M * frz vroot                   5640  0
1126183533 M * frz should be at least 1, i suggest
1126183899 M * Greek0 well, does the device work?
1126183918 M * Greek0 perhaps there is just the useage-counter adjustment missing in the code
1126183967 M * frz no - it does not work 
1126183985 M * frz # quotaon -a
1126183985 M * frz quotaon: using //aquota.group on /dev/hdv1 [/]: No such device
1126183985 M * frz quotaon: using //aquota.user on /dev/hdv1 [/]: No such device
1126184021 M * Greek0 I think you need to copy the /dev/vroot1 device node into the guest
1126184027 M * Greek0 then you can do quota controls on that device
1126184192 M * Greek0 and you have to give the guest the quota_ctl ccap (in /etc/vservers/<name>/ccapabilities
1126184195 M * Greek0 )
1126184266 M * Greek0 and you'd better make sure that the guest has only access to the vroot device, not to the real block device itself
1126184794 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com
1126184795 Q * ntrs_ Quit: 
1126184906 Q * ntrs Quit: Leaving
1126184927 M * frz guest? you mean the vserver 
1126184985 M * frz this is ok - have done this steps already often ;)
1126184990 M * Greek0 yep, the thing that's not the host :)
1126185013 M * frz to be sure ...
1126185016 M * Greek0 mm
1126185098 M * frz yes - me too ;)
1126185341 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com
1126186001 P * frz 
1126189019 Q * martin Remote host closed the connection
1126189919 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1126189938 M * Bertl morning folks!
1126189976 M * Bertl raoul: what problems do you see/have?
1126190127 M * Bertl litage: /etc/localtime is your friend there ...
1126190186 M * Bertl mugwump: details regarding the debootstrap?
1126190827 M * Greek0 ok.  kdeb (the thing that was makedeb before) now builds .debs from already-built kernel trees that were built in-tree or out-of-tree, and it also works when doing cross-compiling
1126190830 A * Greek0 is proud
1126190869 M * Greek0 (not so much of his current english, though ;)
1126190997 Q * kas_3 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1126191064 M * Bertl Greek0: so there is an update?
1126191070 N * raoul maja
1126191077 M * maja Bertl: still the same - random crashes :)
1126191088 M * maja but now i'm not gaining any information via the serial consoel
1126191100 M * maja the server has been up for 31 days
1126191113 M * maja and now it crashes again every few days/hours
1126191231 M * Greek0 Bertl: yep, still need to finish some minor stuff (updating Usage())
1126191421 M * Bertl maja: testme.sh output?
1126191438 J * rusty ~rusty@adsl-484.mirage.euroweb.hu
1126191440 M * rusty hello guys
1126191443 N * rusty rusty`
1126191465 M * maja Bertl: i still do not know if it is a general kernel issue or related to vserver
1126191493 M * rusty` is there an util-vserver .DEB for patch2.6.11.4?
1126191494 M * maja last time we noticed that my setup caused a huge stack usage
1126191500 M * maja xfs on lvm on mdraid
1126191518 M * maja disabling 4kstacks somehow worked
1126191522 M * maja for 31 days
1126191528 M * maja now were back to a daily reboot....
1126191560 M * eyck interesting, 2.6 of course?
1126191585 M * maja yes
1126191591 M * maja 2.6.12.3-vs2.0-rc8.1
1126191599 M * maja testme 0.13 works as exptected
1126191634 M * eyck cool, well, this means I'll wait another 6 months for 2.6 to start resembling soemthing a bit more ready to use
1126191673 M * Bertl maja: well, there were no critical fixes since vs2.0-rc8.1 and a lot of folks are already using vs2.0, so I'm inclined to blame your hardware ...
1126191713 M * Bertl maja: maybe you want to try something like the nmi watchdog?
1126191868 M * Greek0 rusty`: you should be able to use the 0.30.208 debs with that kernel too IMHO
1126191904 M * rusty` Greek0: and how can i download the DEB?
1126191922 M * Greek0 apt-get install util-vserver # if you happen to be on a debian system
1126192018 Q * litage Read error: Operation timed out
1126192308 M * Greek0 http://greek0.net/~greek0/div/kdeb
1126192784 J * litage ~nick@203.201.96.74
1126193508 M * Hollow Bertl, Greek0: http://home.xnull.de/misc/vservd.png
1126193544 M * Hollow and heya of course :P
1126193732 M * Greek0 hi :)
1126193783 M * Greek0 wow, how did you do that cool graphic (seriously)?
1126193834 M * Hollow kdissert
1126193890 M * Greek0 hmm, would probably be a nice tool for me if it didn't have that ^k in it's name
1126193899 M * Hollow :P
1126193901 M * Greek0 ;)
1126193916 M * Hollow use freemind,  a java mindmap tool
1126193932 M * Hollow it's quite nice to arrange random thoughts ;)
1126193959 M * Hollow i'm also using dia quite a lot
1126193960 M * eyck yeah, java rocks, it's like having your balls grilled 
1126193975 M * Hollow eyck: that's the reason why i took kdissert ;)
1126194006 M * Greek0 I'm quite picky about the tools that I use. there's just stuff that I wouldn't want to touch. kde is one of them. java is another.
1126194015 M * Hollow heh
1126194023 M * Hollow yeah, i just got rid of gtk.. :P
1126194032 M * Greek0 it's not that I have any really hefty feelings against them, it's just that I haven't installed any of those
1126194060 M * Greek0 and if I need to install about uhm.. 50M of support libraries just for _one_ tool that I'd like too use, I usually just don't do it.
1126194102 M * Greek0 and so I end up not having kde/java/whatever installed too, when I try the next tool from that dept.
1126194184 M * Bertl Hollow: cool!
1126194195 M * Hollow any additional ideas?
1126194236 M * Bertl well, I guess I have a bunch of questions in general ...
1126194289 M * Bertl a) what do you mean by RPC interface?
1126194318 M * Bertl b) how is the relation to build methods/package manager?
1126194321 M * Hollow clients can connect to that interface and execute all the other commands mentiond in that map
1126194333 M * Hollow b) they seem quite related, yup
1126194370 M * Hollow build is some combination of config backend + pkg management
1126194388 M * Bertl okay, probably my questions are the wrong ones ... could you give me some use-cases (I like this phrase :) ...
1126194412 M * Bertl especially for a build method and exec/enter ?
1126194418 M * Hollow use foo wants to have a debian vsevrer, he builds it
1126194425 M * Bertl how?
1126194430 M * Hollow but now user foo wants apache installed, so he doesn't want to build anew vserver
1126194433 M * Hollow only install it
1126194436 M * Hollow in an exisitn gone
1126194462 M * Hollow well, the how is more an implementation question, isn't it?
1126194473 M * Bertl ah, now I guess I got the right perspective for your diagram!
1126194487 M * Hollow these are just random thoughts what this shiny dameon could do
1126194490 M * Bertl you are describing the relations between distinct units!
1126194516 M * Hollow kinda, yeah
1126194532 M * Bertl I was interpreting the various functions as _parts_ of the deamon funcionality ... which of course confused me ...
1126194543 M * Bertl +t
1126194553 M * Hollow well, yeah...
1126194561 M * Hollow seems you got that right then ;)
1126194578 M * Bertl (which one :)
1126194605 M * Hollow the diagram shows the functionality that such a daemon _could_ have
1126194620 M * Bertl hmm, okay, now I'm lost ...
1126194643 M * Hollow hm.. why?
1126194669 M * Greek0 ok, I understand it now imho
1126194687 M * Bertl okay, what is the purpose/description of the VServer Daemon? what does it do and what are the interfaces (please provide some examples)
1126194709 M * Greek0 I think that's not what that graphic is about
1126194722 M * Greek0 it's just a collection of things the daemon could possibly do
1126194729 M * Bertl that's what I'm trying to find out ...
1126194734 M * Hollow the daemon e.g. handles state changes (via netlink, whatever), lwo-level commands, such as vcontext, vnamespace would do...
1126194753 M * Bertl okay, let's pick chcontext ...
1126194756 M * Hollow then, build moethods, vserver init etc is build upon the low-level commands
1126194767 M * Bertl how is chcontext 'connected' to the daemon
1126194773 M * Hollow and all these commands together would be accessibale through an rpc interface
1126194798 M * Bertl or vcontext (no problem there)
1126194819 M * Hollow well, let's say, you want to start your vserver through a webapp
1126194842 M * Bertl then I'll use the 'start' command, yes
1126194846 M * Hollow the webapp connects to the rpc interface og the vserver, and executes e.g. vserver.start(name)
1126194847 M * Greek0 Hollow: but why eg. building vservers in the daemon? it's code that just isn't needed very often..
1126194878 M * Bertl Greek0: well, I understand the build, to call out for scripts ...
1126194896 M * Bertl (so a web interface can also create guests)
1126194899 M * Hollow surely there will be some command line tools as well
1126194932 M * Greek0 Bertl: well, but a webinterface could just as well use a high-level library that provides stuff like this
1126194944 M * Bertl but I don't understand the relation between (v)context and the daemon, unless vcontext will 'somehow' use the daemon, and not the other way round?
1126194952 M * Hollow doesn't mean the daemon should be a monster implementing all that stuff, maybe just call the appropriate command line tool through rpc or so
1126195010 M * Greek0 rpc brings up all those access-permission problems IMHO
1126195011 M * Hollow Bertl: imo it makes more sense to call command line tools from the daemon
1126195033 M * Bertl Hollow: no, not at all, especially not for the low-level stuff ...
1126195038 M * Hollow Greek0: rpc, soap, own code, whatever...
1126195057 M * Hollow Bertl: why?
1126195063 M * Bertl Hollow: why would you create a new task (including the I/O handling) just to send a syscall?
1126195087 M * Hollow hm, yeah
1126195092 M * Bertl doesn't really make sense to me, unless the low-level tools would be proprietary :)
1126195097 M * Hollow so, the command line tools should call the daemon?
1126195112 M * Bertl that would be an option, depending on the design
1126195141 M * Bertl for example, if the daemon supports some kind of ASCII interface to take actions, like used in SIP/HTTP
1126195148 M * Greek0 hmm. what about a very light-weight daemon that just tracks context state and related stuff
1126195160 M * Greek0 and the rest (like config, ...) would be handled by a library?
1126195181 M * Greek0 probably in some scripting language, as Hollow and I discussed the other day
1126195182 M * Bertl Hollow: then the tools could be trivial clients to those interfaces, e.g. bash scripts echoing some commands to the daemon
1126195208 M * Bertl (doesn't mean that this _is_ the way to go, it's just _a_ way to do it)
1126195214 M * Hollow Bertl: yeah, as i said, we don't need rpc, we can just use an own interface, no preference here
1126195283 M * Bertl I'd prefer clear text over binary interfaces (for userspace) as they are way easier to debug and do not suffer from endianess and architectures ...
1126195293 M * Hollow yup
1126195296 M * Greek0 yep
1126195318 M * Greek0 at a bit more basic level, not related to the daemon at first..
1126195325 M * Bertl and I guess we can live with the computational overhead for the parsing ...
1126195333 M * Hollow Greek0: we could also do different daemons for state changes and vserver managment e.g.
1126195361 M * Bertl I would not suggest so, but different threads of one daemon sounds fine to me ...
1126195370 M * Hollow yeah
1126195384 M * Greek0 I think we have skipped a step here.. we are already at some quite special stuff, and we're missing a foundation IMO
1126195454 M * Greek0 hollow and I were looking into swig to create bindings for libvserver for all kinds of dynamic languages (well, python and ruby at least). and we thought it would be easier to maintain to just keep the c part as small as possible (i.e. libvserver), and basically do all the other stuff from some scripting lang.
1126195464 M * Greek0 we were thinking about ruby or python
1126195483 M * Hollow Greek0: yeah, nothing changes in that idea imo ;)
1126195487 M * Hollow *changed
1126195497 M * Greek0 yep, just wanted to talk with Bertl about this too
1126195672 M * Bertl well, I'm neither a fan of ruby nor python, mainly because I think that they are not _that_ common to programmers ... i.e. the number of folks able to change/maintain this stuff is limited
1126195719 M * Bertl but I can understand that a language like C might easily get complicated ...
1126195734 M * Greek0 It's not c that I'm afraid of, it's sh
1126195738 M * Hollow well, i'd do it in C too, but it's more complicated yep
1126195764 M * Hollow Greek0: well, we could minimize the bash quite a lot imo
1126195769 M * Hollow *bash usage
1126195791 M * Bertl well, a good deamon would eliminate the bash scripts completely, no?
1126195831 M * Bertl you would do something like:
1126195839 M * Bertl $ vscli
1126195856 M * Greek0 ahmm yea. of course Hollow.. I just think it will be easier (and more easily changeable later), if we have everything in one language.
1126195888 M * Hollow Greek0: yeah, we could simply do everything in C :)
1126195891 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1126195924 M * Bertl good moring Dr. Chandra >
1126195931 M * Greek0 and I think there's quite some amount of scripting involved in the vserver stuff, especially bringing vservers up/down.. which I think could be a lot of work in c.
1126195934 M * Bertl create new vserver
1126195944 M * Bertl ... :)
1126195963 M * Greek0 also stuff like config file parsing. I can easily imagine other config-backends as dropin solutions for ruby or python
1126195988 M * Greek0 with a whole-c implementation that's require quite some more overhead
1126196026 M * Hollow Bertl: :)
1126196036 M * Bertl okay, let's try to get a C vs something else comparison for this purpose:
1126196047 M * Greek0 so my preference would be rather some scripting stuff. allthough if you two are really convinced that all-c or something equal would be better, it's fine by me too
1126196077 M * Bertl pro C:  no real dependancies, fast, easy to understand, portable
1126196115 M * Bertl contra C: not so simple for I/O, parsing
1126196139 M * Greek0 , glueing everything together?
1126196162 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1126196168 J * Blissex2 ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1126196204 M * Greek0 whould I start with pro ruby/python?
1126196252 M * Bertl welcome Blissex*!
1126196261 M * Blissex2 Hi!
1126196263 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1126196551 M * Greek0 Pro ruby/python: clearer code then c-only, better at parsing stuff, easier to add stuff (eg. users can just drop in some .rb/py and get config_ldap support)
1126196583 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1126196615 M * Greek0 Contra: dependency on rb/python [biggest problem IMO], slower [still fast enough for the stuff we need], perhaps known by fewer developers
1126196624 M * Greek0 the last problem might also be significant
1126196647 M * Bertl Greek0: what about threading and synchronization?
1126196692 M * Greek0 uhm. wrt. what? do we plan multi-threading for some purpose?
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1126196724 M * Hollow ruby has threading for sure, and i think python does too
1126196740 M * Greek0 yep, python has pretty nice threading stuff
1126196763 M * Greek0 * threading and syncronsiation
1126197409 M * Bertl okay, I'm going to take down the Linux26 wiki, any last words?
1126197426 M * Greek0 which linux26 wiki?
1126197438 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Linux2.6/
1126197462 M * Bertl (it seems all valid information has been moved to the main wiki)
1126197497 M * Greek0 mm
1126197507 A * Greek0 salutes one last time to the old wiki
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1126198187 J * nokoya ~young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my
1126198547 M * Greek0 Hollow, Bertl: hmm, so what is your opinion about python/ruby tools
1126198704 M * Bertl well, I'm still not really fond of that idea, but I'm not the one who is going to develop/maintain the daemon and friends ... so It's not really my decision to make ...
1126198804 M * Greek0 well, IMHO it will be easier to develop.. OTOH I'm not really sure how widespread python or especially ruby is.
1126198989 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net
1126199010 M * Bertl welcome prae!
1126199081 M * prae Hi Bertl  :)
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1126200409 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1126200477 M * Bertl k, folks ... back later ...
1126200484 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1126200577 M * Greek0 Hollow, Bertl_oO: http://greek0.net/~greek0/div/vserver/popcon.txt
1126200600 M * Greek0 Install counts of python and ruby, extracted from http://popcon.debian.org
1126200620 M * Hollow mhm
1126202806 J * nayco ~nayco@lns-vlq-49-mar-82-251-44-227.adsl.proxad.net
1126203019 M * nayco hello, alll !
1126203151 M * Greek0 hi
1126205186 Q * litage oxygen.oftc.net nova.oftc.net
1126205186 Q * lonewolff oxygen.oftc.net nova.oftc.net
1126205212 J * litage ~nick@203.201.96.74
1126205212 J * lonewolff ~lonewolff@host86-128-17-74.range86-128.btcentralplus.com
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1126206630 J * robig ~robig@cable-62-117-3-130.cust.blue-cable.de
1126206638 M * robig hi
1126206678 M * robig is there somebody who can help me? :)
1126206692 M * robig ive a simple vserver network wuestion
1126206696 M * robig question
1126206699 M * Greek0 just ask
1126206718 M * SNy hm, someone should fix the topic
1126206732 M * robig can vserver2 connect to vserver1's mysql bindes on localhost?
1126206769 T * Greek0 http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.0, 2.0.1-pre2, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0-pre5 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)
1126206829 M * Greek0 SNy: btw, I didn't do it because you said so, I had the same idea independently when I wrote that "just ask" :)
1126206836 M * SNy uh
1126206840 M * SNy you aren't op
1126206849 M * SNy why can you change the topic?
1126206872 M * Greek0 because the chanel doesn't have the +t (aka only-ops-may-change-topic) mode set
1126206877 M * SNy or is that why it was messed up in the first place?
1126206888 M * SNy ah right
1126206890 M * Greek0 which is probably also the reason why it was wrong
1126206895 M * SNy don't usually look there
1126206960 M * Greek0 no, but I noticed how that guy changed that topic, I just was to lazy to change it right back
1126206973 M * Greek0 but since nobody else seemed to do it, I finally overcame my laziness :)
1126207104 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1126207370 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-073.dialup.optusnet.com.au
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1126207724 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1126208767 M * robig hey?
1126208780 M * robig can vserver2 connect to vserver1's mysql binded on localhost?
1126208805 M * robig i think ive to bind mysql to the inet ip, right?
1126208880 M * Hollow robig: you can't connect to localhost inside a vserver
1126208885 M * Hollow i.e. 127.0.0.1
1126208928 M * robig ok, can mysql listen on ip and socket too?
1126208949 M * nayco I'm using this kinfd of setup at work, I've got to use the MySQL vserver's IP (eth0:vsxxx)
1126208949 M * Hollow yeah, it just can't listen on localhost, everything else should work fine
1126209138 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1126210627 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch
1126211170 P * robig 
1126211619 Q * Johnsie Quit: G'bye!
1126211623 Q * Blissex Read error: Connection reset by peer
1126211623 Q * Blissex2 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1126211779 M * SiD3WiNDR yea it was that hostingeek doofus who fscked up the topic :)
1126211872 M * Hollow Greek0: do you know APR?
1126211939 M * Greek0 what is it?
1126211951 M * Hollow Apache Portable Runtime 
1126211974 M * Hollow it's a library split out of the apache httpd project
1126212001 M * Hollow imo it would be quite usable for the daemon
1126212007 M * Greek0 yep, see it already on packages.debian.org
1126212018 M * Hollow http://apr.apache.org/docs/apr/modules.html
1126212022 M * Greek0 err, why not go with the normal libc?
1126212044 M * Greek0 I mean, of course it's cool if the tools could run on windows, but I doubt the benifit ;)
1126212083 M * Hollow well, it has some nice features, and i surely don't care about windows here *crap* :P
1126212108 M * Greek0 could you elaborate on the nice features?
1126212128 M * Hollow memory pools, hash ables e.g.
1126212136 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-91-33.zoominternet.net
1126212194 M * Greek0 hmm. I'll think about it later, I'm off to bed
1126212197 M * Greek0 cu
1126212200 M * Hollow cu
1126212424 M * eyck cu
1126212496 J * marinal ~marinal@zeno.xraymedia.com
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1126216877 M * nayco (___(__________(@  <-- brb
1126216945 M * mnemoc .oO
1126216969 M * mnemoc -... .-. -...
1126217077 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk
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1126218150 J * maharaja spear@ip52.ipax.at
1126218152 N * maharaja maja
1126218155 M * maja re
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1126221638 J * azazel ~azazel@81-174-9-35.f5.ngi.it
1126222020 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1126222025 M * Bertl evening folks!
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1126222349 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-073.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1126222443 M * marinal on server with kernel 2.4.17 some patch linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz2
1126222443 M * marinal  was applied; attepts to do new virtual server by command like :newvserver --hostname feynman-proton --domain hypervolume.com --ip 192.168.17.3 somehow don't suceed it fails at a moment when trying to connect to debian servers to get packages; in the end virtual server is created but after vserver server-name enter apt-get  is not working
1126222646 M * Bertl sounds very interesting ...
1126222674 M * Bertl marinal: how did you get a 2.6.12.5 patch to apply to a 2.4.17 kernel?
1126222721 M * mnemoc o.o
1126222750 M * azazel i found that you should install also libstdc++6 ad debootstrap time to have apt-get working
1126222816 M * azazel also, the debian shipped newvserver command doesn't work well new util-server distro, 
1126222830 M * azazel s/ad/at/
1126222852 M * azazel s/well new/well with new/
1126222872 M * marinal it was not me, who was patching/upgrading that kernel, a guy who did it asked me to try to do virtual server with certain ip address. i am finding that after such attempts with newvserver , after vserver  seerver-name start ; on the host i see a line with given ip ( for attempted virtual server) in output of command: ls addr ls 
1126222892 M * maja Bertl: sorry, i wasnt able to read  if you answered me - the vserver (again) crashed
1126222946 M * maja i feel like i'm not able to do anything agains those crashes
1126222947 M * Bertl azazel: yes, the newvserver need improvement .. personally I#d prefer if it was integrated back into util-vserver (no idea why debian needs it at all)
1126222966 M * maja (except removing the vserver patch and deploying everything on differen machines)
1126222984 M * maja i just compiled kernel-image-2.6.13vs2.0-vs2.0.1-pre2
1126222990 M * maja which i would like to try
1126222999 M * maja do you want to take a look at the .config?
1126223045 M * Bertl marinal: which sounds quite fine, but I guess you or your friend did mix up something ... have a try with the following script on the host and upload the output to pastebin.com (or similar) http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh
1126223079 M * michal hey Bertl :]
1126223089 M * Bertl maja: I suggested to activate/patch? nmi watchdog and verify that it works, and yes, I can take a look at your .config
1126223096 M * Bertl michal: hey, everything fine?
1126223104 M * marinal yes, i tried testme.sh script, it seemed not to complain, but ended in exiting from ssh shell
1126223120 M * maja mhm - i never used nmi watchdog
1126223123 M * michal Bertl: thx, of course fine !
1126223126 M * azazel Bertl: me too, but the fact that i really needed some time to find how get a full list of vserver build options, they are not listed on the man page, instead newvserver has all of them listed and explained well... so i also tried it...
1126223126 M * maja lets google a little
1126223132 M * Bertl marinal: sounds strange, did you capture the output? is it available somewhere?
1126223167 M * Bertl michal: good to hear ...
1126223209 M * Bertl maja: it will cause the machine to oops/panic when it otherwise would 'just' hang ...
1126223287 M * azazel uh, my vserver script complains with "mesg: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted" when i enter my test vserver? any hints?
1126223320 M * marinal feynman:/etc/vservers# . testme.sh 
1126223320 M * marinal Linux-VServer Test [V0.13] Copyright (C) 2003-2005 H.Poetzl
1126223320 M * marinal chcontext is working.
1126223320 M * marinal chbind is working.
1126223320 M * marinal Linux 2.4.27 i686/0.30.207/0.30.207 [Ea] (0)
1126223320 M * marinal VCI:  <none>
1126223322 M * marinal ---
1126223324 M * marinal [000]# succeeded.
1126223325 N * [MUPPETS]Gonzo Gonzo^weg
1126223326 M * marinal [001]# succeeded.
1126223328 M * marinal [011]# succeeded.
1126223330 M * marinal [031]# succeeded.
1126223332 M * marinal [101]# succeeded.
1126223334 M * marinal [102]# succeeded.
1126223336 M * marinal [201]# succeeded.
1126223338 M * marinal [202]# succeeded.
1126223340 M * marinal Connection to feynman.hypervolume.com closed.
1126223354 M * maja Bertl: with nmi watchdog you recommend to enable the software watchdog ?
1126223390 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1126223425 M * Bertl marinal: if you logon again, what does 'cat /proc/self/ninfo' give?
1126223474 M * Bertl maja: the software watchdog can work with the nmi watchdog ... but you have to ensure that you a) get nmi irqs and b) that a triggered mni does indeed oops ...
1126223531 M * maja mhm - you've lost me
1126223533 M * marinal /proc/self/ninfo simply does not exist
1126223555 M * Bertl azazel: it's kind of expected, your 'script' takes a pty on the host, then enters a guest, inside the 'old' pty is not permitted any longer ...
1126223566 M * Bertl marinal: ah, right you're with 2.4 ... sorry ...
1126223594 M * maja Bertl: what kernel option do i have to enable for nmi and how do i get nmi irqs? :)
1126223595 M * Bertl marinal: how is your sshd started?
1126223605 M * azazel Bertl: thanks:)
1126223613 M * maja Bertl: or is it simply: nmi_watchdog=1 at bootup
1126223673 M * marinal /usr/sbin/sshd
1126223676 M * maja ah, reading the doc now
1126223694 M * Bertl marinal: started via a runlevel script, maybe v_ssh?
1126223754 M * Bertl azazel: you can grab a new terminal or redirect the I/O over a pipe or so ...
1126223783 M * marinal it is script /etc/init.d/ssh
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1126223827 M * Bertl marinal: is there a reason why you want the 2.4.27 kernel and 0.30.207 tools, or is this just because it was setup like this?
1126223944 M * marinal simply i happened to meet such a setup; as i understand, my friend simply tried to make virtual server and was disappointed to see that within it ifconfig does not show ip address, he wants to make ssh from that host to virtual server on it