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1125360025 J * Doener ~doener@p54877302.dip.t-dialin.net
1125361026 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk
1125361046 M * Bertl welcome monrad!
1125361105 M * monrad hi Bertl 
1125361282 M * gulinma Hi Bertl!
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1125364328 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
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1125365585 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1125365614 M * Bertl welcome Blissex!
1125365627 M * Blissex thanks for the welcome!
1125365683 M * Blissex and to start with a simple question :-) is it possible to have a distinct 'lo' network interface per vserver in a straightfoward way?
1125365710 M * Bertl not without experimental stuff, but the lo traffic is virtualized inside a guest
1125365773 M * Blissex OK, thanks. What do you mean by ''virtualized''? The reason I am asking is to bind different dæmons to the same sort inside different guests...
1125365792 A * Blissex meant "port" not "sort"
1125365794 M * Bertl that's no problem at all
1125365809 M * Bertl you assign an ip (public or private) to the guests
1125365827 M * Blissex Bertl: the IP I want to assing is 127.0.0.1
1125365832 M * Bertl then the guest is limited to that ip, and all binds to 0.0.0.0 will be remapped to that ip
1125365842 M * Bertl why that?
1125365877 M * Blissex Bertl: because 'lo' and 127.0.0.1 are a bit special...
1125365893 M * Blissex Bertl: for example they are not routed.
1125365920 M * Bertl well, yes, actually 127.0.0.0/8 is special
1125365941 M * Bertl but lo is not involved here, and if you have no route for other ips they are not routed either
1125365970 Q * litage Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1125366042 M * Blissex Bertl: lets say there are some good reasons for that... For example I may want to bind two different BIND dæmons in two different guests, and them being accessible via 127.0.0.1...
1125366073 M * Bertl take 127.0.0.2 for the first, and 127.0.0.3 for the second
1125366081 M * Blissex Bertl: actually I would also like for a virtualization of the networking interface name space, so in different guests 'eth0' denotes different interfaces...
1125366091 M * Blissex but then I am asking a lot :-)
1125366096 M * Bertl or even better take a private ip like 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2
1125366122 M * Bertl Blissex: ngnet will provide that, but it's not ready yet ...
1125366146 M * Blissex Bertl: I know all the possible workarounds -- the problem is that all the workarounds require changing the configuration of the guest depending on whether it is running as a guest or not.
1125366176 M * Blissex Bertl: I can use for example the 'dummy' module and sort things out like that.
1125366195 M * Bertl sounds like you want to sponsor ngnet development desperately :)
1125366233 M * Blissex Bertl: hehehehe perhaps :-). Just playing for now.
1125366302 M * Blissex Bertl: I am also thinking of writing a nice page on the various types of ''virtualization'', so I am also trying to explore exactly which name spaces get ''virtualized'' and which are not...
1125366335 Q * alexx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1125366339 M * Bertl in the current stable releases there is/was no need to virtualize the network namespace yet
1125366367 M * Bertl so networking is basically done on the host, only the guest ips are remapped (in certain cases)
1125366413 M * Blissex as to this purely theoretical questions side of things, is the name space for System V entities virtualized too? 
1125366453 M * Bertl it is supposed to .. but I'm not sure we tested that recently
1125366485 M * Blissex Bertl: yes, I agree that for its intended use 'vserver' does not need to virtualize the NIC namespace... But for one particular thing I wanted to play with I wanted 'lo' virtualization :-). ut can do without.
1125366509 M * Bertl patches are welcome too :)
1125366521 M * Blissex Bertl: actually now that I think of it I could as well start writing a list of all the namespaces the kernel makes user visible...
1125366546 M * Bertl and test tools to verify the visibility .. would be great!
1125366553 M * Blissex Bertl: I could do patches too... But in recent years I have preferred to write docs than to contribute patches.
1125366577 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1125366587 M * Bertl np, we need documentation as well ... :)
1125366589 M * Blissex Bertl: in general under the principle of not treading on other developers' toes :-)
1125366672 J * litage ~nick@203.201.98.213
1125366693 M * Blissex for example in my probably coming-soon virtualization page I shall point out that the 'vserver' utils package contains two completely different sets of facilities, for actually running vservers and for building and administering their filsystems, which is not necessarily clear at first glance.
1125366742 M * Bertl hmm, what do you mean by facilities?
1125366770 Q * tchan Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1125366852 M * Blissex Bertl: bad word -- tools? purposes? utilities? goals? 'chcontext' is essential, 'vyum' is not.
1125366880 M * Bertl hmm .. k
1125366918 M * Blissex as in: context management is one thing, context _content_ management is another. 
1125366941 M * Bertl isn't that in most virtualizations so?
1125366968 M * Blissex Bertl: well, depends on whether the virtualization is hosting oriented or not.
1125366995 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1125367010 M * Bertl could you provide an example where it isn't that way?
1125367013 M * Blissex Bertl: I see 'vserver' on a continuum from UNIX/Linux itself (virtualizes the hardware into the POSIX API) to Xen to QEMU.
1125367058 M * mugwump Blissex: reminds me of http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/vserver/slide3a.html
1125367147 M * Blissex Bertl: for example contexts could be used for the reason 'chroot' is used most of the time: to create jails withing the same system, more than to create customer-oriented ''hosts''. Surely people do that too. But a lot of 'util-vserver' seems oriented to managing distributions, which is a different thing from managing the kernel features provided by the patch...
1125367153 A * Blissex looking at the links
1125367200 M * Blissex uh that is more of a history of virtualization than a taxonomy...
1125367244 M * Blissex the taxonomy I have in mind is based on ''how much'' is virtualized. Thus for example the questions about name spaces above.
1125367259 M * mugwump well, the new libvserver would be a fine base for writing a new set of tools.
1125367307 M * Blissex mugwump: ah but the existing set of tools is fine by me -- it just surprised me a bit that 'chcontext' and 'vyum' are part of the same package, as they are on different levels of usage...
1125367331 M * Blissex mugwump: just a question of presentation, more than of essence.
1125367364 M * Bertl ah, now I understand, linux-vserver is for you a case where content creation and guest management tools fall together, right?
1125367365 M * Blissex For example right now I have no use for the ''distribution management'' aspect of 'util-vserver'. Never mind, but I was slightly confused at first.
1125367401 M * Blissex Bertl: yes, under Debian they are all in the same package, which is slightly confusing.
1125367445 M * Bertl well, on _other_ distros, they are separate packages ...
1125367481 M * Bertl http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_rel26/v2.0/
1125367486 M * Blissex Bertl: some other distros...
1125367504 A * mugwump gets some distro flamewar kindling
1125367549 M * Blissex Bertl: ah yes, the binaries are split -- the sources are delivered as a bundle still.
1125367555 M * Bertl Blissex: soo, if I put a bunch of tools into one package is that bad or good actually?
1125367571 M * Bertl like coreutils :)
1125367599 M * Blissex Bertl: well, by my judgement thats bad if they belong to different levels of abstraction...
1125367642 M * mugwump Blissex: if you contribute a debian rules/control file which builds multiple packages, this can be solved
1125367659 M * Blissex Bertl: but 'coreutils' is a collection of like tools. Now if you put BASH bundled with 'coreutils' that would start to be bad taste.
1125367669 M * mugwump right now I don't think anyone really cares that much.
1125367677 M * Blissex mugwump: that's a good idea...
1125367684 M * Bertl Blissex: coreutils contains chroot, no?
1125367717 M * Blissex mugwump: well, let's say I often find Debian packaging, never mind the packaging policy, distasteful...
1125367739 M * Bertl I often do not find it at all :)
1125367748 M * Blissex Bertl: 'coreutils' is not perfect, let me put it this way.
1125367761 M * Bertl neither is util-vserver :)
1125367779 M * Blissex Bertl: a lot of distros/packages/slackers tend not to care about taste issues -- if it works for a demo, fine. :-)
1125367822 M * Blissex Bertl: I tend to be slightly more discriminating...
1125367833 M * Blissex Bertl: and there are matters of degree
1125367868 A * Blissex is one of those that thinks that when the revolution comes, those that package KDE in '/usr/bin' will be the first to the wall. :-)
1125367895 A * Bertl prefer gnome ...
1125367908 M * Blissex same as to packaging...
1125367978 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-130.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1125367980 M * Blissex uh oh really late here. be going, but see you soon again. Thanks for the info, and when the virtualization page is semi-ready, ill drop the URL here.
1125368001 M * Bertl okay, make it so ...
1125368013 M * Bertl I'm off to bed too now .. back tomorrow ...
1125368023 M * Blissex bye bye!
1125368027 P * Blissex Konversation terminated!
1125368039 M * Bertl night everyone ... cya!
1125368047 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1125368272 M * gulinma bye Bertl 
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1125368500 J * Tenchi-san ask@208.53.159.170
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1125372450 J * Hollow ~Hollow@82.135.28.84
1125372478 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-130.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1125372550 M * Aiken before I get too carried away, is there any reason why a vserver can not make use of devices connected to the serial ports?
1125372922 M * daniel_hozac did you give the vserver the needed ttyS* device(s)?
1125373046 M * Aiken I have not tried yet
1125373056 M * Aiken was wondering if it was possible before I did too much
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1125376760 M * kas_3 excuse me in my intenet explorer proxy setting.. should i use socks or http proxy? can you tell me the different?anyone?
1125377194 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-043.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1125377604 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1125379351 M * Hollow Doener: yep ;)
1125379374 M * Doener hey, you're fast ;)
1125379608 M * Doener Hollow: did you change the fix-fastboot patch after the util-vserver-0.30.208-r1 release?
1125379631 M * Doener because my file here is missing the " || :" at the end of the line
1125379634 M * Hollow ehm.. i don't think so
1125379640 M * Hollow hm
1125379692 M * Hollow mhm, the patch removes it
1125379697 M * Hollow i'll fix that
1125379708 M * Doener +           $_CHROOT_SH rm .autofsck forcefsck fastboot 2> /dev/null || :
1125379715 M * Hollow yup
1125379720 M * Doener that's how the patch looks like here... doesn't seem to remove it?
1125379740 M * Hollow where's your patch from?
1125379751 M * Doener from the location in the ebuild
1125379783 M * Doener http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/vserver/util-vserver/util-vserver-0.30.208-gentoo.tar.bz2
1125379811 M * Doener hm, wait... i guess that doesn't work for -r1, does it?
1125379815 M * Hollow uh
1125379832 M * Hollow ehm.. sec
1125379842 M * Doener SRC_URI is http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/vserver/${PN}/${P}-gentoo.tar.bz2
1125379854 M * Hollow P doesn#t include -r
1125379858 M * Doener ok
1125379863 M * Hollow that what's PR is for
1125379875 M * Hollow but it's kinda strange
1125379877 M * Doener i'll try to re-emerge...
1125379917 M * Hollow the tarball on my disk has another patch in it
1125379919 M * Doener yep, guess you changed that file later on
1125379923 M * Doener !!! Digest verification Failed:
1125379924 M * Doener !!!    /usr/portage/distfiles/util-vserver-0.30.208-gentoo.tar.bz2
1125379924 M * Doener !!! Reason: Failed on MD5 verificatio
1125379934 M * Doener cause i'm pretty sure i didn't change it
1125379950 M * Hollow well, i didn't either (at least i can't remember ;)
1125380028 M * Hollow that's really odd
1125380040 M * Doener btw, the /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase symlink should be protected...
1125380040 M * Hollow but i'll fix it...
1125380117 M * Hollow protected with what?
1125380150 M * Doener i don't have my vservers in /vservers and the link gets overwritten on each update of util-vserver
1125380210 M * Doener hm, nice... no i get a bunch of errors...
1125380214 M * Doener /usr/sbin/vserver-info: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/vserver-info: undefined symbol: vc_isSupportedString
1125380274 M * Doener s/no/now/
1125380329 M * Hollow ehm.. /etc is config_protect'ed
1125380367 M * Doener well, that symlink gets overwritten here... :(
1125380431 M * Hollow maybe config protect is broken ;)
1125380462 M * Doener well, it shows the symlink as being protected when cleaning out the old installation
1125380488 M * Doener but right now, it got a bigger problem... what's up with those symbol lookup errors? :(
1125380543 M * Hollow *shrug* do you have libvserver installed?
1125380570 M * Doener ah, right... that's probably it...
1125380593 M * Doener hmm... and i can't uninstall it, because i can't configure it, cause i got no 2.6.12 headers...
1125380677 M * Hollow rm /usr/lib/libvserver.so.1.0.0
1125380700 M * Hollow the check will be removed
1125380807 M * Doener ok, works now... the thing with the missing "|| :" is also fine now
1125380955 M * Hollow ok, i created a new tarball, along with -r2
1125381063 M * Hollow WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
1125381069 M * Hollow sucker
1125381102 M * Doener hu?
1125381120 M * Hollow vapier.. he removed dietlibc support from util-vserver
1125381127 M * Hollow MAYBE PEOPLE CAN ASK BEFORE
1125381128 M * Hollow argh
1125381160 M * Doener well, you couldn't build it with dietlibc anyways... requires a non-existant version...
1125381177 M * Doener (at least in terms of portage-availability)
1125381195 M * Hollow so? i build it with dietlibc in portage all the time
1125381230 M * Doener hm, i always got some blab about version being too old IIRC...
1125381260 M * Hollow well, but i hate it to state on the mailing lsit "we punt USE=diet" and simply do it..
1125381278 M * Doener true
1125381279 M * Hollow i'll just add it back.. man
1125381476 M * Hollow ah i hate cvs too :P
1125381555 M * Doener we all do ;)
1125381964 M * Hollow my feeling tells me that i'm running into trouble, but who cares :P
1125381980 M * Hollow i need diet => i use diet
1125381988 M * Hollow and he should piss of
1125382212 M * Hollow Doener: well, i have 0.29 in my overlay *ha*
1125382228 M * Doener cheater! ;)
1125382253 M * Hollow but on my server there is no overlay
1125382261 M * Hollow and it works too ;)
1125382656 M * Hollow Doener: ok, -r2 is in cvs
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1125384107 J * obi ~obi@asus.saftware.de
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1125385499 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de
1125385519 M * Hollow Linux zeus 2.6.13-vs2.1.0-pre5-gentoo :)
1125385525 M * Hollow in cvs too
1125386294 A * Aiken had 2.6.13-pre5 yesterday :)
1125386684 M * Aiken with vserver 1.2.10 can a guest access the real network device does it have to be an alias?
1125386922 M * Aiken I am setting up amateur radio related stuff again and there are some network devices that would be nice to have access to
1125388893 J * prae ~prae@gut75-1-81-57-27-189.fbx.proxad.net
1125390626 M * eyck  you can give it access to any real network device AFAIK,
1125391461 M * kas_3 what the different tcp and udp? why most application use tcp instead of udp?? what pro and con?anyone?
1125391501 M * Tenchi-san udp is less trusted
1125391513 M * Tenchi-san u can use a hella lot more udp sockwts then tcp
1125391523 M * Tenchi-san but its easy to poof info with udp
1125391535 M * Tenchi-san tcp is mroe secure but there is a session limited based on ur os
1125391556 M * Tenchi-san for indows i think is 50,000 and for linux i think is somewhere near 130,000
1125391610 M * Tenchi-san or 300,000 i dont remeber exactally
1125391628 M * Tenchi-san that explain it ?
1125391658 M * eyck woa, 
1125391677 M * Tenchi-san also udp packets have less header info so they are smaller (generall) but they ahve the ability to hold mroe info sou can ahve huge udp packets as well
1125391677 M * eyck that's the strangest description of differences between tcp and udp I've ever heard.
1125391688 M * Tenchi-san thanks, im special that way
1125391783 M * eyck kas_3: 1) people use tcp because they don't know anything else.
1125391819 M * Tenchi-san hehe
1125391832 M * eyck kas_3: 2) tcp is a stream protocol, udp is datagram protocol (without guarantees, ie, your datagrams can get lost)
1125391861 M * eyck 3) there is 'safe' datagram protocol, and it's called sctp AFAIK, but it's not very widely used.
1125392080 N * BobR_oO BobR
1125392136 M * kas_3 so DCC in roc is UDP or TCP?? why they can trace my ip address even i;m using tor??
1125392163 M * kas_3 when i download stuff using DCC in irc i never get lost the packet assume is UDP. 
1125392167 M * kas_3 roc=irc
1125392177 M * eyck DCC is direct TCP connection
1125392199 M * eyck and when you use DCC you send your IP address via irc CTCP protocol 
1125392234 M * eyck ie, your peer receives "I'm listening on IP 127.1.1.1 port 12334" via CTCP, and then connects there
1125392279 M * kas_3 damn,, no wonder,, ,he knows...
1125392292 M * kas_3 he even laugh at me.. i feel so silly
1125392297 M * eyck you should.
1125392325 M * eyck you(your irc client) told him your IP address yourself.
1125392328 M * kas_3 which app use UDP then?? how i know whether this application use UDP or TCP?
1125392367 M * eyck well, one of the logical answers is - by looking at what kind of sockets your application uses.
1125392383 M * eyck (for example, using netstat -p |grep your-app)
1125392401 M * eyck the RIGHT answer would be mystical 'there is no spoon'.
1125392435 M * eyck ie, you're asking the wrong questions, and don't understand networking. Go back to roots, or sth.
1125392475 M * kas_3 i setup my server apache .. my friend keep ddos attack me ..ppl cannot connect to my server.. what should i do? anyone?
1125392523 M * eyck change his status from 'friend' to 'foe'
1125392549 M * eyck are you sure it's DDOS and not just a DOS?
1125392564 J * dixmix ~chatzilla@213.215.131.221
1125392655 M * kas_3 he told me he can make my server down.. then i laught at him... then i found out my other friend couldn't go into my webpage
1125392678 M * kas_3 and i have very slow connection to internet yahoo.. sometime down
1125392680 M * eyck Tenchi-san: on second thought, your answer was as helpfull as mine (ie - not at all), and as a bonus it was funny. 
1125392699 M * kas_3 previously i tot my isp down... but there is a culprit behind it..
1125392700 M * Tenchi-san heh
1125392735 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.105
1125392788 M * Tenchi-san kas_3: setup a firewall
1125392793 M * eyck kas_3: in this case, common, don't you think asking as those questions counts as 'Daddy, daddy, he pushed me!'? Shouldn't you figure it out yourself instead of asking big boys to come to your rescue? ain't you got any pride at all?
1125392812 M * eyck s/as those/us those/
1125392845 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1125392883 M * Tenchi-san heh cuttin deep there eyck
1125393066 M * Tenchi-san kas_3: a simple firewall should fix it and ur firnd is probably UDP flooding you and unless u run DNS most of the time u wont need udpp so u can block it with your firewall and it attacks wont take down your server
1125393081 M * Tenchi-san or u can jsut block his IP with it
1125393132 M * kas_3 i got 100 machine attacking me.. this is how ddos work.. you think i gonna block 100 ip??
1125393159 M * eyck how do you know you got 100 machines attacking you?
1125393176 M * kas_3 look at the net limiter
1125393176 M * Tenchi-san kas_3: its 1 machines spoofing IPs
1125393184 M * Tenchi-san remeber i told u u can dake info with udp ?
1125393188 M * Tenchi-san fake
1125393197 M * Tenchi-san u can with tcp too its just harder
1125393212 M * Tenchi-san but anyway, jsut block udp and u'll be fine
1125393216 M * eyck not really,
1125393233 M * eyck just as easy for DDOS purposes
1125393238 M * kas_3 not really ?? 
1125393272 M * eyck I can send you SYN tcp packets just as easy as anything else,
1125393294 M * eyck that's why synflooding was so popular few years back
1125393356 M * kas_3 really SYN tcp me now,, see iif you really mean what you said..
1125393376 M * eyck why would I? I'm not 13 anymore
1125393433 M * eyck go check it out yourself
1125393471 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1125393487 M * Bertl morning folks!
1125393493 M * Tenchi-san mornin
1125393840 M * eyck morning Bertl,
1125394149 Q * dixmix Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050716]
1125394347 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1125394359 M * Bertl_oO back later ...
1125394995 N * BobR BobR_mampf
1125395281 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax8-043.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1125395282 Q * Aiken Read error: Connection reset by peer
1125396864 M * Tenchi-san hrmm, windows vista is out already ?
1125396878 M * TheSeer who cares?
1125396950 M * Tenchi-san i know its gonna be lame
1125396962 M * Tenchi-san but im jsut wondering cause i saw a torrent
1125397140 N * virtuoso_ virtuoso
1125397547 M * TheSeer oh.. that's prolly one of the dev-previews
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1125400647 J * DaPhreak ~phreak@styx.xnull.de
1125401533 N * BobR_mampf BobR
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1125401932 J * Neubix ~brian@p54B05D7A.dip.t-dialin.net
1125401943 M * Neubix Hi All
1125402085 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host244.201-252-31.telecom.net.ar
1125402854 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando
1125403579 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio203.ipsi.fraunhofer.de
1125403976 J * VooDooMaster VooDoo@topas.informatik.uni-ulm.de
1125404022 M * VooDooMaster hello everybody!
1125404231 M * Milf 'lo
1125404294 M * VooDooMaster Gentoo-Question:  Do I have to emerge sys-apps/baselayout-vserver to get vservers running?
1125404986 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: the stages in your vserver/stages dir - are they for the base-system or for the guest-vserver? when/where do I have to emerge baselayout-vsserver? and do I have to?
1125405542 M * Hollow VooDooMaster: these are guest images, and you don't have to merge baselayout-vserver, it's included, you may want to upgrade it though ;)
1125405564 M * Hollow there will be some new stages soon
1125405572 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: Cool!
1125405626 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: in your vserver-new script is a little typo: "--destroy Destroy exisiting vserve installation" => VSERVE_R_
1125405698 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: If these are guest images ... what do I have to do? ... I have built the vserver kernel, rebooted and then emerged util-vserver
1125405756 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: What next? Do i have to follow the steps in http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/vserver-howto.xml or can I shorten it by using your stage3-guest-"images"
1125405784 M * Hollow the howto is for guest images .. ;)
1125405790 M * Hollow but you can try vserver-new
1125405806 M * Hollow vserver-new name --context 123 stage3
1125405832 M * Hollow but it's a beta tool
1125405856 M * eyck  have you seen Xen demo at IDF this year?
1125405863 M * Hollow no
1125405868 M * VooDooMaster no
1125405897 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: ok - I'll give it a try ... thx
1125406015 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: Super! ... ich melde mich wieder, wenn der download fertig ist ;)
1125406034 M * Hollow pure automagic, isn't it? ;)
1125406043 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host244.201-252-31.telecom.net.ar
1125406044 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: Yes ...
1125406057 M * Hollow please report any busg you notice..
1125406258 N * BobR BobR_afk
1125406317 M * Milf Can anyone give some hints on what to check when I encounter problems upgrading from old to new tools?
1125406337 M * Milf in my case, I've got a hanging init process on vserver stop
1125407015 N * BobR_afk BobR
1125407482 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: how to use the --interface parameter? ... I want to use the interface and IP of the base server
1125407535 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: Can I specify an already downloaded stage-file or do I have to download it every time?
1125408127 M * Hollow you can specify it after stage3.. --interface works like the one from vserver ... build
1125408135 M * Hollow i just pass this option to it
1125408343 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: What about the local stage3?
1125408370 M * Hollow vserver-new name ... stage3 /path/to/stage3.tbz2
1125408413 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com
1125408425 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: Ah ... now I got it ... :) sry & thx!
1125408430 Q * DaPhreak Quit: leaving
1125408458 M * Hollow np ;)
1125408530 J * DaPhreak ~phreak@styx.xnull.de
1125408579 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando
1125408868 M * VooDooMaster Does anybody know, if installing OpenXchange in a vserver works?
1125408998 M * Milf I've been running the previous version from SuSe for 2 years now
1125409027 M * Milf in a Vserver
1125409073 Q * kas_3 Remote host closed the connection
1125409170 M * VooDooMaster milf: sounds good
1125409401 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: I can
1125409412 M * Hollow you can?
1125409414 M * Hollow great :)
1125409424 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: sry - I can't emerge anything in the new vserver
1125409443 M * VooDooMaster how do I use the portage tree of the base server?
1125409453 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: Does vunify work?
1125409454 M * DaPhreak mount -o bind,ro
1125409471 M * Hollow thanatos ~ # cat /etc/vservers/galatea/fstab |grep portage
1125409471 M * Hollow /usr/portage            /usr/portage            none    bind,ro         0 0
1125409471 M * Hollow /usr/portage/distfiles  /usr/portage/distfiles  none    bind,rw         0 0
1125409473 M * DaPhreak or even mount -o bind,rw if you wish VooDooMaster 
1125409500 M * VooDooMaster Thanks guys!
1125409504 M * DaPhreak np ;)
1125409641 M * VooDooMaster vserver <name> stop throws:
1125409641 M * VooDooMaster A timeout occured while waiting for the vserver to finish and it was
1125409641 M * VooDooMaster killed by sending a SIGKILL signal. Please investigate the reasons
1125409641 M * VooDooMaster and/or increase the timeout in apps/vshelper/sync-timeout.
1125409979 M * Hollow VooDooMaster: it's known, but works anyway
1125410010 M * Hollow wtf... i don't get what secure-mount is doing
1125410018 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: ok - just wanted to tell you. in case you don't already know it
1125410095 M * Hollow namespace voodoo
1125410640 M * Milf I've still got a hanging vserver init process
1125410791 M * Hollow vkill -x <xid>
1125410983 M * Milf vkill: invalid option -- x
1125410983 M * Milf Try 'vkill --help" for more information.
1125411070 M * Milf And: # vkill 4562
1125411070 M * Milf vkill: vc_ctx_kill(): No such process
1125411131 J * hehe3 ~op3e@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1125411243 M * Milf vkill --xid <contextnumber> did the trick
1125411260 M * hehe3 help i'm running tcp monitoring.. it running system:8 and i couldn't kill it.,. it keep listening ...what is that??anyone??
1125411439 M * Milf vkill --xid <contextnumber> -s SIGKILL 
1125411439 M * Milf ist what did the trick
1125412256 M * Milf Hmmm, bang that into /etc/vservers/VSNAME/scripts/post-stop as a workaround?
1125412418 M * Milf Won't work, the script would have to be called before that
1125412690 Q * hehe3 Remote host closed the connection
1125412725 J * hehe3 U2FsdGVkX1@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1125412867 N * BobR BobR_zZ
1125414832 P * Milf 
1125415138 Q * renihs Remote host closed the connection
1125415691 Q * obi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1125415713 J * obi ~obi@asus.saftware.de
1125416599 M * Neubix someone know how to get a localhost interface in vserver ?
1125418393 Q * Neubix Quit: Verlassend
1125419435 Q * hehe3 Remote host closed the connection
1125419621 J * zahni23 ~zahni26@AC8D7D50.ipt.aol.com
1125419627 M * zahni23 COME TO >> WWW.PASSION.MYPIECE.COM <<-------- (",) <<-------------------------- (",) <<--------
1125419629 P * zahni23 
1125419638 M * TheSeer wtf..?
1125423094 M * ray6 a nasty spammer, also just saw this on another irc network
1125423153 M * menomc on freenode unregistered users can't send private messages now
1125423163 N * menomc mnemoc
1125423825 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1125424132 J * fobi_ wht@liiifeeee.com
1125424132 Q * fobi Read error: Connection reset by peer
1125430168 M * MooingLemur To get vservers to shut down (in gentoo) I've been doing vserver blah stop, and in another window, doing vserver blah enter; shutdown -h now.  Is there a better way? :P
1125430783 J * Nicoli ask@208.53.159.170
1125430818 Q * Tenchi-san Read error: Connection reset by peer
1125432498 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1125432975 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1125433636 J * spd1snd ~psingh@68-232-133-13.chvlva.adelphia.net
1125433684 M * spd1snd i want to use rsync to backup my vservers every night, do you all rsync the host system file structure such as /etc/vservers and /vservers? what rsync parameters do you use?
1125433986 M * MooingLemur /etc/vservers has a pretty simple layout and it doesn't change unless you add vservers or change the startup parameters of vservers.  /vservers I'd use rsync -avH 
1125434075 M * spd1snd well id like to backup /etc/vservers as well so that if this machine were to ever fail, i could just bring up my vservers agian without worrying too much about creating each vserver and syncing teh files back... 
1125434109 M * spd1snd -avh seems to not like /etc/vservers/<name>/vdir and complains that there are "too many levels of symbolic links"
1125434396 M * mugwump try -aHx
1125434432 M * mugwump may or may not help.  you'll need to do that for each FS
1125434535 M * spd1snd nope, -aHx gives the same error... how do you all backup your vservers? backups each individual vserver? 
1125434666 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de
1125435088 M * Doener hm, -a includes -l, which means that symlinks are copied as symlinks, so their nesting shouldn't cause any problems...
1125435324 M * Doener spd1snd: you're not using --copy-links, are you?
1125435679 M * spd1snd well the rsync command that i use for everything else is -apR
1125435694 M * spd1snd although, im thinking that it may be easier to jsut tar up /vservers and be done with it
1125436912 P * spd1snd 
1125437091 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection
1125437295 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-192.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1125437397 J * lilo U2FsdGVkX1@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1125437776 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection
1125437793 Q * nox jupiter.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net
1125438102 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1125438384 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection
1125438417 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1125438692 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1125439745 J * mess-mate ~mess-mate@lns-vlq-7-lil-82-254-201-114.adsl.proxad.net
1125440285 Q * mess-mate Quit: leaving
1125440681 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net
1125442012 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host244.201-252-31.telecom.net.ar
1125442408 J * SeerHome ~theseer@c194072.adsl.hansenet.de
1125442424 M * SeerHome heya :)
1125442975 Q * SeerHome Quit: Client exiting
1125443427 Q * Blissex Read error: Connection reset by peer
1125444097 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1125444172 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-192.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1125444856 Q * litage Remote host closed the connection