1124496037 M * Bertl mnemoc: so while my scripts are crunching up patches, how do you handle/configure grsec with vserver in t2?
1124496089 M * mnemoc Bertl: currently they are mutually excludent, but i plan to patch vserver patch if grsec is enabled
1124496111 M * mnemoc Bertl: so enabling both is enough to get them both working
1124496132 M * mnemoc vserver and grsecurity packages i mean
1124496157 M * Bertl well, the thing with grsec is, that enabling it usually _isn't_ enough to make it useful ...
1124496178 M * mnemoc of course
1124496187 M * Bertl and together with linux-vserver it requires certain policies to make it useful at all ...
1124496211 M * mnemoc vserver package will have to pre-set those policies
1124496232 M * Bertl so, who is going to do this?
1124496253 M * mnemoc a pre-configuration has to be done by the kit
1124496270 M * mnemoc and more grained configuration is target's responsability
1124496291 M * mnemoc the rest on runtime 
1124496316 M * Bertl k, and you have all that already figured?
1124496325 M * mnemoc not yet :p
1124496337 M * mnemoc i have to go home now, back in 30 minutes.
1124496344 M * Bertl so, what is the current status?
1124496354 M * Bertl k, np, cya later ...
1124496420 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1124498342 Q * mnemoc Remote host closed the connection
1124498742 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.30
1124498775 M * mnemoc i hate my ISP :(
1124498974 M * ray6 who doesn't? :)
1124498984 M * Bertl hey ray6! LTNS!
1124499028 M * ray6 Bert: yeah, LTNT :/ :)
1124499152 M * Bertl ray6: so how are you?
1124499274 M * ray6 Bertl: except for the no time part OK :)
1124499286 M * Bertl well, at least something :)
1124499289 Q * mnemoc Remote host closed the connection
1124499302 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.30
1124499307 M * Bertl wb mnemoc!
1124499327 M * ray6 looks like he has a reason to hate his ISP :)
1124499333 M * mnemoc :(
1124499352 M * Bertl well, better an ISP to hate, than no ISP at all, no?
1124499370 M * mnemoc i have someone to blame :)
1124499417 M * mnemoc uhm... [20:56:39] [oftc] ωνω Irssi: No PONG reply from server irc.oftc.net in 301 seconds, disconnecting
1124499430 M * mnemoc it seems to be my irssi and not poor ISP
1124499471 M * ray6 the upstream of my "GCSC3" disappeared from BGP a few minutes ago and seems to be back to some sites but not to mine, grrr. Makes me wonder whether a default free setuo really is such a nice thing
1124499669 A * MooingLemur snores into the channel.
1124499687 M * Bertl moo, moo ...
1124499856 Q * mnemoc Remote host closed the connection
1124499911 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.30
1124500112 M * mnemoc uhm
1124500112 M * mnemoc i guess i'll can't idle here
1124500112 M * mnemoc i'll return when i solve this issue.... :(
1124500112 M * mnemoc bye
1124500112 P * mnemoc 
1124500161 M * Bertl *a few years later*
1124500179 M * ray6 :)
1124500232 A * Snow-Man idles here quite happily.
1124500259 M * Bertl well, I have no problem with irssi either :)
1124500297 M * Bertl maybe we are just lucky ...
1124500322 A * ray6 idles here quite successfull also, but with ircii :)
1124500709 J * kgb ~amery@pc-120-204-86-200.cm.vtr.net
1124500727 N * kgb mnemoc_
1124500814 M * mnemoc_ Bertl: what do you want to sugest me about vserver/grsec pre-integration?
1124500887 M * Bertl pardon? (or more technically speaking: parse error)
1124500936 M * mnemoc_ currently i have 'just installed' vserver and grsec 
1124500956 M * mnemoc_ i would like to produce pre-integrated targets
1124501009 M * Bertl I guess you have to explain to me what you mean by 'pre-integrated' .. maybe that's a t2 term?
1124501025 M * mnemoc_ no no
1124501070 M * mnemoc_ ROCK and T2 are used to create distributions, where the target (distribution) does the non-generic configuration
1124501080 M * mnemoc_ and the rest is done after installing that distribution
1124501129 M * Bertl okay ...
1124501168 M * mnemoc_ by pre-integration i mean to produce on that generic output something kind of usable
1124501220 M * Bertl hmm, I guess I still don't get it ... but keep talking, eventually I'll figure it ...
1124501257 M * Bertl (sidenote: a 2.6.11.12-vs2.0 version is test compiling right now)
1124501334 M * mnemoc_ (comment to sidenote: thanks a lot :-)
1124501368 M * Bertl (addendum to sidenote: don't thank me yet, you still have to testdrive it :)
1124501405 M * mnemoc_ the generic output is what the kit decides to do only considering the packages enabled and the target architecture
1124501429 M * Bertl target arch being something like x86 or mips?
1124501440 M * mnemoc_ or sparc or ppc or arm ...
1124501447 M * Bertl okay, I got that ...
1124501459 M * mnemoc_ and also what libc is enabled... dietlibc, uclibc or... glibc
1124501469 M * Bertl so you have a set of 'packages' which can include 'linux-vserver' and 'grsec'
1124501477 M * mnemoc_ yes
1124501501 M * Bertl and then you say 'build me something' ...
1124501514 M * mnemoc_ if linux-vserver is enabled, util-vserver is built and installed, linux 2.4 and linux 2.6 patched, etc...
1124501527 M * mnemoc_ yes
1124501541 M * Bertl okay, and the result are binary packages?
1124501544 M * mnemoc_ yes
1124501549 M * mnemoc_ and an ISO
1124501592 M * Bertl okay, and you want to get something usable with linux-vserver then, right?
1124501595 M * mnemoc_ that generic build is specialized with 'target' (distribution) instructions
1124501617 M * mnemoc_ yes, so the targets which want linux-vserver has less to pre-configure
1124501630 M * mnemoc_ because any target which wants linux-vserver will always do that
1124501648 M * Bertl okay, what would that 'pre-configure' part do? can you give some examples for that?
1124501648 M * mnemoc_ the same if grsec is enabled
1124501670 M * mnemoc_ configuration files, templates, etc..
1124501705 M * mnemoc_ if grsec is enabled, an basic template of permissions is installed by default
1124501726 M * mnemoc_ if vserver is enabled and see grsec also enabled, it will add some policies to that 'default'
1124501780 M * Bertl k, makes sense ...
1124501787 M * mnemoc_ basicly is to get pre-done what the HOWTOs say
1124501806 M * mnemoc_ so people only have to do the smart part and not the monkey part
1124501816 M * mnemoc_ pre-integrated :)
1124501887 M * mnemoc_ part of the brain-dependent part is given to the target
1124501916 M * mnemoc_ because 'all vservers/grsec machines Bertl install are configured this way'
1124501939 M * mnemoc_ so that can be considered Bertl's distribution for this thing
1124501966 M * mnemoc_ and target contain information to extend what generic does
1124502010 M * mnemoc_ doing that Bertl can distribute binary packages of updates of his distribution between those machines
1124502052 M * mnemoc_ and install almost-ready-to-run-that-way single purpose distributions directly from a CD
1124502065 M * Bertl okay, sounds nice ...
1124502430 M * mnemoc_ i hope you have now a more clear picture of what i do :)
1124502445 M * Bertl yes, thanks .. gave me a good impression ...
1124502912 M * mnemoc_ some day you could try to build a Bertl Linux without worried about updates or how make make packages build and pre-integration
1124502916 M * mnemoc_ :)
1124502989 M * Bertl they really changed a lot in xfs ...
1124503275 M * Bertl but, we are getting there ...
1124503315 M * Bertl mnemoc_: so on what archs do you folks test the distros?
1124503354 M * Bertl ah, and you know the util-vserver fixes (regarding syscalls/archs)?
1124503368 M * Bertl s/fixes/updates/
1124503512 M * mnemoc_ Bertl: currently we use it actively on x86(pmmx,p4,athlonxp),amd64, g3 and other ppc and sparc64
1124503554 M * mnemoc_ no idea about util-vserver patches :(
1124503802 M * mnemoc_ i'm blindly applying fix02 from the webpage
1124503842 M * Bertl ah, okay, that should take care of it :)
1124503874 M * Bertl btw, build completed without error, now test booting
1124504076 M * Bertl well, it boots quite fine .. now some routine tests
1124504797 M * Bertl hmm, looks good, even the xfs tests succeeded ...
1124504845 M * mnemoc_ :)
1124504968 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.11.12-vs2.0-bp1.diff
1124504995 M * Bertl of course, it probably needs some further testing ...
1124505092 M * Bertl and I will check the include files as well as docu and Kconfig help stuff tomorrow ...
1124505115 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now ... have a good whatever everyone!
1124505146 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1124505612 M * mnemoc_ thanks and good night Bertl_zZ 
1124506152 M * mnemoc_ Bertl_zZ: 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file arch/um/kernel/sys_call_table.c.rej
1124506193 M * daniel_hozac did you apply it to a vanilla 2.6.11.12?
1124506241 M * mnemoc_ uhm, my mistake
1124506255 M * mnemoc_ my linux headers /usr/include was a different version
1124506280 M * mnemoc_ i'll update that one.. minute
1124506346 M * daniel_hozac that won't matter as far as the reject is concerned.
1124506394 M * mnemoc_ i haven't noticed because 2.6.11.11-vs2.0-rc4 did apply to both 2.6.11 and 2.6.11.12
1124506460 M * mnemoc_ now applied fine :)
1124506589 M * mnemoc_ daniel_hozac: does this say anything to you? lib/vserver-internal.h:246: error: can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm'   (building util-vserver-0.30.208)
1124508767 J * Deadlock ~1036C550D@142-217-199-63.telebecinternet.net
1124508774 M * Deadlock hi
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1124511752 M * mnemoc_ gn8
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1124519837 J * sven111 ~sven@GKCDVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi
1124524700 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-103.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1124530641 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1124530654 M * Bertl morning folks!
1124532847 M * lownoize moin Bertl 
1124532897 M * Bertl hey lownoize!
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1124533302 M * Bertl wb virtuoso!
1124538360 Q * duckx Quit: Client exiting
1124539610 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70
1124540262 M * Bertl okay, off for lunch ...
1124540274 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1124543666 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
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1124553663 J * kgb ~amery@200.75.27.30
1124553700 Q * kgb Quit: 
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1124553811 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk
1124557990 M * wibble hey all
1124558026 M * daniel_hozac hello
1124560411 J * Nicoli ask@208.53.159.170
1124560452 M * Nicoli hey, when i run the test.sh i get some errors, can anyone tell me what they mean ?
1124560453 M * Nicoli [root@vds1 src]# ./testme.sh
1124560454 M * Nicoli Linux-VServer Test [V0.13] Copyright (C) 2003-2005 H.Poetzl
1124560456 M * Nicoli chcontext: vc_new_s_context(): Function not implemented
1124560457 M * Nicoli chcontext failed!
1124560459 M * Nicoli chbind: vc_set_ipv4root(): Function not implemented
1124560460 M * Nicoli chbind failed!
1124560462 M * Nicoli Linux 2.6.9-11.ELsmp i686/0.30.208/0.30.208 [Ea] (0)
1124560463 M * Nicoli VCI: <none>
1124560815 M * Greek0 are you sure you are running a kernel with linux-vserver patch?
1124560846 M * Nicoli i thought i was
1124560857 M * Nicoli i can paste you what i typed ina pm
1124560868 M * Greek0 you could check your ~/boot/config* if you have one
1124560886 M * Greek0 or even /proc/config or whatever that was called (embedded .config in the kernel)
1124560908 M * Nicoli its /boot config
1124560915 M * Nicoli its a centOS 4.1
1124560929 M * Nicoli but i ahvent rebooted since i built the kernel
1124560944 M * Greek0 aeh well, then you are still running your old kernel.
1124560951 M * Greek0 install the newly built kernel and reboot then
1124560994 M * Greek0 and make sure you choose the right one at bootup, in case you have something like grub, where you can choose.
1124561099 M * Nicoli srry i missed the part about reboting in the howto heh
1124561159 M * Greek0 np
1124561181 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1124561279 Q * lilo_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1124561337 M * Nicoli hrm
1124561350 M * Nicoli which kernel should i be booting into ? the ELsmp ?
1124561391 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1124561416 M * Bertl evening folks!
1124561455 M * Bertl hey Nicoli!
1124561476 M * Bertl wibble: good evening! status?
1124561506 M * Nicoli hey
1124561666 M * Greek0 Nicoli: boot the one you just compiled with the linux-vserver patch
1124561691 M * Nicoli i have to recompile
1124561698 M * Nicoli i forgot to set it as opteron cpu type
1124561786 M * Nicoli can i paste you hwta i ahve done so far and u can tell me if its rigth ?
1124561860 M * Greek0 use some pastebin, http://paste.debian.net, or something thelike
1124561871 M * Greek0 then more people can have a look
1124561932 M * Nicoli http://paste.debian.net/1624
1124562123 M * Greek0 looks sane
1124562135 M * Greek0 testme.sh still doesn't work?
1124562144 M * Nicoli im recompilign right now
1124562149 M * Nicoli so i wont know for a bit
1124562158 M * Greek0 ic
1124562665 M * Nicoli btw howmany vs's do u think a dual opteron with 8gb ram can hold roughly ?
1124562722 J * yarihm ~yarihm@217-162-114-40.dclient.hispeed.ch
1124562821 M * daniel_hozac that depends on what they're running and if you're using unification, etc.
1124562906 M * Nicoli prolly wont be useing unification and likely mostly fedora runnin cpanel
1124562959 M * daniel_hozac unification would help keep the memory usage down.
1124563032 M * Bertl a prover recently reported a dual 64 bit xeon servers runing 50 vserver guests with about 2k processes and a load average of <= 0.5 ...
1124563048 M * Nicoli wow
1124563071 M * Bertl lycos test it up to 150 guests on a single machine IIRC
1124563077 M * Bertl *tested
1124563098 M * Nicoli and here i was just hopeing for 40
1124563102 M * Nicoli he
1124563103 M * Nicoli heh
1124563168 M * Bertl well, if the guests are doing a lot of stuff simultaniously, it could be that even 20 guests use up your entire machine ...
1124563192 M * Nicoli they will most likely only be doing webhosting
1124563194 M * Bertl but usually the load is a) distributed and b) not so high ...
1124563233 M * Bertl of course, to get the most out of it, you'll have to test a little and fine tune your system
1124563677 M * Nicoli ok
1124563687 M * Nicoli i did what i pasted and got this:
1124563688 M * Nicoli Linux-VServer Test [V0.13] Copyright (C) 2003-2005 H.Poetzl
1124563689 M * Nicoli chcontext: vc_new_s_context(): Function not implemented
1124563691 M * Nicoli chcontext failed!
1124563692 M * Nicoli chbind: vc_set_ipv4root(): Function not implemented
1124563694 M * Nicoli chbind failed!
1124563695 M * Nicoli Linux 2.6.12.4 i686/0.30.208/0.30.208 [Ea] (0)
1124563697 M * Nicoli VCI: <none>
1124563698 M * Nicoli ---
1124563720 M * Nicoli but also, i got this warning be4 i ran the test.sh
1124563730 M * Nicoli . /etc/init.d/vprocunhide: No such file or directory
1124563837 M * daniel_hozac Nicoli: did you reboot into the new kernel yet?
1124563848 M * daniel_hozac that has the vserver patch applied?
1124563868 M * daniel_hozac because that kernel release looks like a vanilla 2.6.12.4, not a vserver patched one.
1124563872 M * daniel_hozac (and 2.6.12.5 is out ;))
1124563919 M * Bertl don't push him!
1124563962 M * Nicoli yea i did
1124563984 M * Nicoli i knwo the new one is out but there isnt a vserv patch for the new one
1124564084 M * daniel_hozac i would expect the 2.6.12.4 patch to apply fine (obviously not for the top Makefile).
1124564135 M * daniel_hozac Nicoli: hmm, you seem to have patched in the wrong directory? (linux-2.6.12.4)
1124564178 M * Nicoli ahh
1124564962 M * Nicoli srry lost con to my session
1124564975 M * Nicoli so, cp -la linux-2.6.12.4 linux-2.6.12.4-vs2.0;cd linux-2.6.12.4-vs2.0;bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.6.12.4-vs2.0.diff.bz2 | patch -p1
1124564981 M * Nicoli should work corectly then ?
1124565018 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1124565749 Q * BWare arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1124565749 Q * jkl_ arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1124565749 Q * logger arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1124565749 Q * tchan arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1124565759 J * jkl_ eric@c-67-190-142-149.hsd1.co.comcast.net
1124565767 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
1124565831 J * logger ~rs@vds.pas-mal.com
1124566054 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1124566927 M * Bertl welcome tchan!
1124567240 J * duckx ~Duck@mna75-1-81-57-39-234.fbx.proxad.net
1124567541 M * Bertl welcome duckx!
1124567556 M * Bertl Nicoli: do you need anything?
1124567671 M * Nicoli what partition type is /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw)
1124567686 M * Nicoli cause when i rebooted it wouldnt mount it
1124567698 M * daniel_hozac did you enable LVM?
1124567699 M * Nicoli so i forgot to add it in the kernel config but i dunno where
1124567736 M * Nicoli its under partition types ?
1124567752 M * daniel_hozac no.
1124567766 M * daniel_hozac File systems.
1124567769 M * daniel_hozac IIRC.
1124567819 M * Nicoli i dont see it in there
1124567876 M * daniel_hozac well, i haven't configured a 2.6 kernel for... well, ever.
1124567920 M * daniel_hozac oh wait, it should be block devices.
1124567923 M * Bertl Nicoli: you use 'make menuconfig'?
1124567937 M * Nicoli look @ it
1124567940 M * Nicoli its what im lokkin @
1124567959 M * Bertl try pressing '/' and then enter DM
1124568003 M * Nicoli has a lot of stuff, what am i lookin for?
1124568017 M * Bertl LVM?
1124568030 M * Nicoli ahh blk_dev
1124568039 M * Nicoli under device drivers
1124568119 J * lilo_ debian-tor@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1124568277 M * Bertl Nicoli: didn't you already boot a 2.6.12.4 kernel?
1124568355 M * Nicoli yea but be4 it was't patced, i had patched the wrong dir
1124568383 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1124568402 M * Bertl Nicoli: yes, but you could use the config from that one ...
1124568428 M * Bertl (just copy the .config file over and run 'make oldconfig')
1124569007 M * Nicoli where is teh config kept ?
1124569059 M * Bertl it is stored in your kernel source tree ...
1124569090 M * Bertl (sometimes it's copied to /boot and/or present in the kernel)
1124570130 M * Nicoli unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
1124570142 M * Nicoli i have LVM in the kernel
1124570175 M * Bertl 0,0 hmm ... sounds like initrd?
1124570213 Q * lilo_ Remote host closed the connection
1124570237 M * Bertl no, initrd should be 1,x
1124570263 M * Bertl Nicoli: what boot loader do you use, and what config do you have for your kernel (in the bootloader)
1124570271 M * Nicoli grub
1124570278 M * Nicoli 1sec
1124570284 M * daniel_hozac at what stage in the boot process do you get that?
1124570313 M * daniel_hozac what are the 10 or so preceding lines?
1124570346 M * Nicoli its right after it boots the kernel
1124570347 M * Bertl yes, a few lines before that would be interesting ...
1124570348 M * Nicoli er
1124570352 M * Nicoli after it laods the krnel
1124570393 M * Nicoli title CentOS (2.6.12.4)
1124570393 M * Nicoli root (hd0,0)
1124570393 M * Nicoli kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12.4 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet
1124570393 M * Nicoli initrd /initrd-2.6.12.4.img
1124570400 M * Nicoli thast the oens that doesn't work
1124570411 M * Nicoli title CentOS-4 i386 (2.6.9-11.ELsmp)
1124570411 M * Nicoli root (hd0,0)
1124570411 M * Nicoli kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-11.ELsmp ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet
1124570411 M * Nicoli initrd /initrd-2.6.9-11.ELsmp.img
1124570415 M * Nicoli the one that works
1124570438 M * Bertl but the previous one did work with the previous kernel?
1124570446 M * Nicoli yea
1124570460 M * Bertl maybe you need to rebuild the initrd?
1124570492 M * Bertl and remove the quiet
1124570505 M * Bertl (you will then get a lot more boot messages)
1124570511 M * Nicoli how do i do that ?
1124570519 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1124570619 M * Bertl try mkinitrd
1124570635 M * Bertl (and for the remove  quiet part, use an editor, e.g. vi)
1124570715 M * Nicoli ok
1124570745 M * Bertl might be that you have to remove the old initrd first, might also be that it requires you to specify the kernel version
1124570773 M * Bertl might even be, that you have a prefectly working initrd, but now it's named 2.6.12.4-vs2.0 :)
1124570863 M * Nicoli cannot open root device VolGroup00/LogVol00 or unknown-block(0,0)
1124570870 M * Nicoli after re-createing the initrd
1124570911 M * Nicoli it would seem that its not laoding the lvm
1124570919 M * Nicoli but its compiled into the kernel >_<
1124570924 A * Nicoli sighs
1124570933 M * Nicoli i think i should just reinstall and no use lvm
1124570936 M * Bertl doesn't mean that it is created properly ...
1124570956 M * Bertl many systems nowadays use udev, and well, it depends on userspace 
1124571374 Q * PazZzzooo Quit: bye
1124572025 J * Aiken ~james@tooax7-138.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1124573472 M * Bertl morning Aiken!
1124573961 M * Nicoli would you recommend enableing hard cpu limits in vserver ?
1124573996 M * Aiken just fixed a problem with the alpha that has been really annoying me
1124574001 M * Aiken slilly silly problem
1124574020 M * Aiken vserver would start after boot but never during boot
1124574040 M * Aiken was trying to start the vserver 1 step before /vservers was mounted :(
1124574053 M * daniel_hozac Nicoli: if you want to really limit the CPU usage of vservers.
1124574982 M * Hollow heya
1124575256 M * Bertl Hollow: got back home safely?
1124575307 M * Hollow yeah... well, it took 3.5 hrs home, and another 0.5 hrs to find a parking :P
1124575328 M * Bertl better than the other way round, no?
1124575334 M * Hollow heh, yup
1124575380 M * Hollow but i was quite fast...
1124575398 M * Hollow though i was faster on the austrian side... too much "sonntagsfahrer" in germany ;)
1124575463 M * Aiken anyone though about using cpu limits in vserver to limit the impact on the host of emulators?
1124575603 M * Bertl Aiken: guess a hard CPU scheduler is what you want here, with a large min and max value (TB)
1124575652 M * Aiken it seems like a way of reserving some cpu so the host remains responsive
1124576148 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host99.201-252-6.telecom.net.ar
1124577027 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
1124577336 M * Nicoli sweet
1124577344 M * Nicoli finally got it to work
1124577354 M * Bertl welcome stefani!
1124577361 M * Bertl Nicoli: excellent, what was it?
1124577375 M * Nicoli it was prolly the LVM
1124577382 M * Nicoli i just reinstalled w\o it
1124577388 M * Nicoli and ran everythign again
1124577402 M * Bertl i.c. yeah, the initrd can be a bitch sometimes ...
1124577618 M * DaCa its usually not worth the trouble to put / under lvm, better make a fixed 128MiB partition for it and put everything else under lvm 
1124577716 M * Bertl or use a really small distro/host setup and run it from initrd (the whole server root)
1124577816 M * stefani Bertl:  hola 
1124577977 M * DaCa Bertl: you mean like not calling pivot_root? doesnt that have the disadvantage to use more (unswappable) kernelmemory?
1124577989 Q * renihs Remote host closed the connection
1124578091 M * Bertl DaCa: well, if your rootfs/server fits into 32MB memory, you can probably live with that locked, on a 4GB machine :)
1124578219 Q * zobel arion.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1124578219 Q * obi arion.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1124578265 M * Nicoli btw, someone should append the centOS tutorial on the website and amke sure to tell ppl NOT to use default partitioning (LVM)
1124578310 M * DaCa Bertl: ok. depends on the situation, for example I am still using a thinkpad with only 64MB of ram, not worth it to buy extra (non-standard) ram for it 
1124578362 M * Bertl DaCa: as linux-vserver host, congrats! :)
1124578467 J * zobel zobel@zobel.irc.ftbfs.de
1124578467 J * obi ~obi@asus.saftware.de
1124578500 M * DaCa Bertl: actually yes, it has linux-vserver but it is used as a security measure (jail services) and not to offer virtual servers :)
1124578546 M * Bertl DaCa: yeah, that's the spirit!
1124581377 M * lownoize re
1124581633 M * Bertl wb lownoize!
1124581726 M * Hollow Bertl: wrt start stop sequence... i did a little flowchart how the normal halt util works: http://home.xnull.de/misc/halt.png
1124581871 M * Hollow oh well, i discovered a bug :P
1124581913 M * Hollow but should be ok anyway
1124581964 M * Bertl normal 'halt' util?
1124581993 M * Hollow i.e /sbin/halt
1124582006 M * Bertl isn't that a link to telinit/init?
1124582027 M * Hollow no (at least not in my stup ;)
1124582032 M * Hollow *setup
1124582077 M * Bertl ah, okay ...
1124582107 M * Bertl hdd is disk?
1124582120 M * lownoize here it is no link too
1124582143 M * Bertl yeah, got that wrong, halt and reboot are one tool
1124582154 M * Hollow yup
1124582154 M * Bertl while init and telinit are another ...
1124582180 M * lownoize lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-07-29 16:43 /sbin/reboot -> halt
1124582365 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 481 seconds
1124582397 J * Doener ~doener@p5487477B.dip.t-dialin.net