1124237519 Q * tanjix Quit: 1124238858 Q * Aiken jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * Doener jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * stephenM jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * renihs jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * Vudumen jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * revenger jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * dsoul jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * Loki|muh jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * nokoya jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * _ag_ jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * eyck jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * sladen jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * case jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * Hunger jupiter.oftc.net europa.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * Beave jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * Pazzo jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * eugenesan jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124238858 Q * lonewolff jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 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1124239129 Q * atsab jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * BWare jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * wibble jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * duckx jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * ntrs jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * neofutur jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * pusling jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * obi jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * zobel jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * SNy jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * micah jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239129 Q * nox jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1124239184 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu 1124239184 J * case ~case@donpanic.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de 1124239184 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1124239184 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71 1124239184 J * _ag_ ag@caladan.roxor.cx 1124239184 J * nokoya ~young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1124239184 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1124239184 J * dsoul darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1124239184 J * revenger ~joe@bulldog.infosys.de 1124239184 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu 1124239184 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70 1124239184 J * stephenM ~steve@83.151.227.52 1124239184 J * Doener ~doener@p548742B2.dip.t-dialin.net 1124239184 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-013.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1124239184 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1124239184 J * Beave ~beave@vistech.org 1124239184 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1124239184 J * eugenesan eugenesan@bzq-219-189-212.cablep.bezeqint.net 1124239185 J * lonewolff ~lonewolff@host86-128-17-74.range86-128.btcentralplus.com 1124239185 J * DuckMaster ~duckx@195.75.27.158 1124239185 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net 1124239185 J * logger ~rs@vds.pas-mal.com 1124239185 J * lilo_ tor@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1124239185 J * zobel zobel@zobel.irc.ftbfs.de 1124239185 J * jkl_ eric@c-67-190-142-149.hsd1.co.comcast.net 1124239185 J * litage ~nick@ws01.5749.dsl.winshop.com.au 1124239185 J * duckx ~Duck@mna75-1-81-57-39-234.fbx.proxad.net 1124239185 J * pusling pusling@195.215.29.124 1124239185 J * wibble ~tim@sophie.wobb1e.co.uk 1124239185 J * neofutur ~neofutur@neofutur.net 1124239185 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net 1124239185 J * nox ~nox@nox.user.oftc.net 1124239185 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt 1124239185 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net 1124239185 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-6f1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 1124239185 J * obi ~obi@asus.saftware.de 1124239185 J * dlp ~ddlp@tangerine.chiccp.net 1124239185 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz 1124239187 J * SNy a7c816ce0c@bmx-chemnitz.de 1124239187 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1124239187 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de 1124239187 J * gregster ~gregor@greart.de 1124239187 J * ray6 ~ray@klon3.gcsc2.ray.net 1124239187 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net 1124239187 J * sid3windr luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1124239187 J * FaUl ~immo@hobbynuttenverzeichniss.de 1124239187 J * derbien ~derbien@whiterabbit.nbmc.de 1124239187 J * locksy ~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au 1124239187 J * chand ~chand@staff.lycos.fr 1124239187 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251 1124239187 J * BobR_oO ~georg@212.16.62.52 1124239187 J * Bertl ~herbert@212.16.62.52 1124239187 J * skceb skceb@bang-bang.feuer-frei.com 1124239187 J * janra janra@paradox.homeip.net 1124239187 T * xenon.oftc.net http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.0, 1.2.10, devel 2.1.0-pre1 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1124239227 M * Bertl everybody back? 1124239402 M * stephenM think so :P 1124239410 M * stephenM oh btw, does the vserver project have a logo? 1124239430 M * Bertl not yet ... 1124239441 M * Bertl we had a bunch of ideas for logos ... 1124239461 M * stephenM ah 1124239916 M * Bertl I assume you are asking for that ebcause you want to put it somewhere, not because you are planning to make one, right? 1124240201 M * stephenM yeah :P 1124240219 M * stephenM wanted to put it on our site, but I noticed the logo on linux-vserver.org is just text 1124240244 M * Bertl yes, best use Linux-VServer (as text) for now ... 1124240277 M * stephenM ok 1124240593 Q * Loki|muh Quit: shutdown 1124241190 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-111.zoominternet.net 1124241198 M * Bertl welcome Johnsie! 1124241203 M * Johnsie Howdy. 1124241255 M * Johnsie How goes? 1124241309 M * Bertl fine, fine, and for you? 1124241318 M * Johnsie Not bad. 1124241715 Q * zobel Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124242164 J * zobel zobel@zobel.irc.ftbfs.de 1124242172 M * Bertl wb zobel! 1124242469 N * pg`aw|cereal pg|cereal 1124242817 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1124243275 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now ... have a nice whatever everyone ... 1124243336 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1124244024 Q * stephenM Quit: 1124244495 Q * Johnsie Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124245085 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@snowman.net 1124253906 Q * renihs Quit: Leaving 1124257403 Q * eyck Quit: leaving 1124257605 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71 1124259648 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-182.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1124264199 J * Neubix ~brian@p54B05409.dip.t-dialin.net 1124264319 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@konilope.dyndns.org 1124264734 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124264747 J * Doener ~doener@p548743FB.dip.t-dialin.net 1124266554 Q * Neubix Quit: Verlassend 1124267529 J * melle ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk 1124267755 Q * monski Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124269887 M * BWare Anyone knows if the latest util-vserver support ulimits again for 2.6 based kernels ? 1124270367 M * eyck supposedly you're supposed to use rlimits on 2.6 because Bertl doesn't like ulimits 1124270370 M * wibble hmm, can I bind a vserver to an existing interface? 1124270455 M * eyck yes 1124270638 M * wibble how ../ 1124270648 M * wibble using 2.0 with 0.30-208 utils 1124270653 M * wibble ok sorry 1124270657 M * wibble i think I should re-word 1124270678 J * Tank ~Tank@c-24-20-200-181.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1124270679 M * wibble can I bind a vserver to an existing IP address 1124270787 M * eyck yes. 1124270792 M * wibble ok how? :) 1124271267 M * eyck what happens when you put that IP in your configuration? 1124271530 M * wibble ah 1124271535 M * wibble i think using the nodev option 1124271549 M * wibble which wont bring it up the interface 1124271863 M * eyck ok 1124272601 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1124273057 Q * Loki|muh Quit: gna 1124274175 Q * pzYsTorM Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124274339 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1124274883 Q * lilo_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124275929 J * anker ~anker@dsl-084-056-140-189.arcor-ip.net 1124276033 M * anker Hi all, I have a question regarding vserver and FC4: When building a vserver, the dependencies the base packages prevent a clea ninstall, because temcap and coreutils will be installed too late, resulting in errors during setup. Is there a workaround? 1124276247 J * VooDooMaster ~icechat5@p549CBA51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1124276349 A * anker is changing clients, brb 1124276353 Q * anker Quit: Ninja IRC v1.5.8.1(#1) exiting after 7m46s of use 1124276516 J * anker ~anker@dsl-084-056-140-189.arcor-ip.net 1124276535 Q * anker Quit: 1124276560 J * anker ~anker@dsl-084-056-140-189.arcor-ip.net 1124276714 J * cryo ~say@212.86.243.154 1124278077 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1124278533 Q * anker Quit: Ninja IRC v1.5.8.1(#1) exiting after 33m18s of use 1124279134 Q * FaUl Remote host closed the connection 1124280602 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1124280614 M * Bertl morning folks! 1124280621 M * wibble morning Bertl 1124280839 M * eyck morning 1124281005 J * Neubix ~brian@p54B05409.dip.t-dialin.net 1124281015 M * Neubix Hi all 1124281061 M * Neubix bertl, current I start writing a howto. can you send me the link to yout testme.sh script ? 1124281089 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/ 1124281096 M * Neubix thanx :) 1124281097 M * Bertl morning Neubix, btw! 1124281108 M * Neubix Morning Bertl :-) 1124281314 M * Hollow morning Bertl 1124281870 J * micah_ micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1124281884 M * Bertl morning micah_! 1124282181 M * Hollow vnamesapce -c is evil 1124282193 J * micah__ micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1124282217 M * Bertl Hollow: is it? 1124282251 M * Hollow yup, if you call it on the host ;) 1124282266 M * daniel_hozac haha. 1124282280 M * Bertl hmm .. interesting idea ... 1124282293 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124282326 M * Hollow well.. 1124282364 M * Hollow tried to mount sth inside a vserver, but didn't work out, so i thought maybe cleanup the namesapce... but onot on the host d'oh 1124282539 M * Bertl well, I guess you still got your pwd, no? 1124282615 Q * micah_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124282671 M * Hollow yep 1124282678 M * Hollow but /usr /var etc were empty 1124282687 M * Hollow and /dev was gone 1124282721 M * Bertl yeah, sounds correct .) 1124282849 M * Hollow :P 1124283216 M * Bertl does anybody feel like helping with quota tests? 1124283238 M * Bertl (I'm talking about user/group quota automated tests like testme.sh) 1124283397 M * wibble i might 1124283439 M * Bertl cool, the main problem is to adjust the tests to some start values ... 1124283486 M * Bertl i.e. you have a test filesystem, and you have to check the values at start, then do something which hanges the quota accounting (or is supposed to) then check again and verify the difference 1124283588 M * Bertl I guess the testfs.sh is a good starting point ... 1124283607 M * Bertl (it alread knows about the different filesystems and how to create/mount them) 1124283709 M * wibble hmm 1124283710 M * Bertl wibble: you know how quota works? 1124283718 M * wibble sort of - its what I am looking at now 1124283763 M * Hollow i would if quotas'd work :/ 1124283792 M * Hollow can't get them to work with xfs on seperate partitions 1124283805 M * Bertl hmm, how so? 1124283862 M * Hollow well, i got many different errors.. about quota not beeing enabled, quota file not found (xfs doesn't need one) etc.. don't remember the rest 1124283895 M * Bertl guess we will get there sooner or later when testing the test tool :) 1124283896 M * Hollow but i'd give it a try this evening again if you like, so we can look at it 1124283928 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host45.201-252-48.telecom.net.ar 1124283939 M * Bertl welcome keyser_soze! 1124283996 M * keyser_soze hello bertl 1124284391 M * Bertl wibble: here is a base framework: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/testcq.sh 1124284400 M * wibble ok will take a look now 1124284430 M * Bertl (hmm, a buggy one :) 1124284433 M * wibble ok just so I understand quotas and stuff! 1124284463 M * wibble i want to be able to give vservers quota of lets say 25GB out of 100GB 1124284474 M * wibble and lets say that I wanted 5 customers off that 100GB 1124284493 M * wibble obviously if they used 5x25 = 125 1124284502 M * wibble so i want to over commit the disk space 1124284508 M * wibble as I dont think they will all use 25GB 1124284525 M * Bertl which is fine, but what you are talking about is disk limits :) 1124284531 M * wibble ah ok! 1124284533 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com 1124284540 M * wibble but i want to try it the other way 1124284541 M * Bertl welcome jsambrook! 1124284542 M * wibble as well 1124284548 P * jsambrook 1124284562 M * Bertl well, that was a short visit :) 1124284562 M * wibble so how do I get disk limits in vs.20 ? 1124284566 M * wibble lol 1124284575 M * Bertl vdlimit 1124284614 M * Bertl check out the values df and df -i report for each filesystem 1124284649 M * Bertl then you ahve to enable context tagging for the guest partition 1124284656 M * wibble ok which I have! 1124284660 M * wibble so how do I do quotas 1124284668 M * wibble which is what you want me to do? 1124284697 M * Bertl well, quotas are per user/group and they work on 'normal' linux systems 1124284730 M * wibble ah i get you 1124284734 M * Bertl as with 2.4 (and the quota patches) I'm planning to extend the quota system to a per guest/context version for a shared partition 1124284745 M * wibble that would be sweet 1124284773 M * Bertl yeah, so I want to make a test script first, which can test the quota aspects ... 1124284781 M * Bertl (simplifies testing a lot) 1124284966 M * wibble ok well i will get my dev box up and running and will try to help out! 1124284986 M * Bertl sounds great! 1124285115 M * Hollow gtg, back later 1124285136 M * Bertl cya 1124285164 M * wibble how do I find the xid? 1124285256 M * Bertl of a file? or a guest? 1124285262 M * wibble of the guest 1124285272 M * Bertl for guests you 'should' use static contexts 1124285283 M * wibble yes, I do by using --context in vserver build 1124285290 M * Bertl that's your xid ... 1124285293 M * wibble ah ok! 1124285313 M * wibble hmm, maybe I might want to write some simplified documentation 1124285317 M * wibble if you think that would be useful! 1124285327 M * Bertl sure, why not ... 1124285337 M * wibble :) 1124285368 M * Bertl btw, I updated the testcq.sh, it now does the correct quota mounting for the test filesystems 1124285731 M * Bertl 3.13 seem to be the latest quota tools ... 1124285733 M * wibble ok will take a look 1124285761 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1124285769 M * Bertl welcome Loki|muh! 1124285803 M * Loki|muh back finally :) 1124287003 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando 1124287112 M * Bertl wibble: also the cq-tools will come handy I guess ... 1124287144 M * Bertl http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/d_addons/quota/cq-tools-0.06.tar.bz2 1124287191 M * wibble wget .. :) 1124287208 M * wibble hmm vdlimit didnt work 1124287241 M * Bertl command line? 1124287252 J * martin ~multiplex@pc70-c512.uibk.ac.at 1124287265 M * Bertl welcome martin! :) 1124287276 M * martin thanks 1124287276 M * wibble vdlimit -x 103 --set space_total=100 /var/lib/vservers 1124287278 M * martin hello everyone 1124287285 M * wibble that should work shouldn't it? 1124287323 M * Bertl wibble: yes, but usually you want to set the other arguments too ... 1124287332 M * martin maybe someone can spent a little time & expertise... i've got some problems after upgrading vs1.2+ctx to vs2.0... 1124287357 M * Bertl let's hear ... 1124287359 M * wibble vdlimit -x 103 --set space_used=0 --set space_total=100 /var/lib/vservers 1124287368 M * wibble that should set the current use to 0 1124287374 M * wibble and space available to 100 right? 1124287380 M * Bertl wibble: and same for inodes, plus set the reserve to 5 1124287392 M * martin since ctx is no more present anymore, all ownerships in vservers are completely wrong 1124287426 M * Bertl please elaborate on the 'ctx is no more present' part ... 1124287459 M * martin Unrecognized mount option "tagctx" 1124287481 M * Bertl that was changed to tagxid some time (hmm, half a year or so) ago ... 1124287488 M * martin oO... 1124287489 M * wibble lol 1124287503 M * wibble I think that needs to be more published as I couldnt find it 1124287513 M * Bertl we removed the 'old' option in 2.0 as we thought nobody would use it anymore :) 1124287519 M * wibble LOL 1124287524 M * wibble well we do :P 1124287614 M * wibble hmm tagxid does werk on reiser right? 1124287616 M * martin ahhh, it works again :) 1124287638 M * wibble DOH 1124287643 M * martin thanks Bertl! thats was quick and easy... 1124287655 M * martin i already was trying to apply those patches at http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/e_patches/vs-26x/ 1124287668 M * wibble would help if I specified the correct context 1124287771 M * Bertl wibble: yeah, guess so :) 1124287815 M * Bertl martin: you're welcome! do you work at the uibk? 1124287852 M * martin yes, i do 1124287861 M * martin sometimes :) 1124287873 M * martin when i'm not sleepin infront of my screen ^^ 1124287893 M * Bertl lol, so 'they' are using linux-vserver too? or just private interest? 1124287937 M * martin not the computing centre, but at our institute we use it for filling the requirements for all the diffent scientific projects 1124287977 M * Bertl sounds great! always good to hear that it finds some applications here in austria ... 1124288104 M * martin its _the_ perfect solution for us... one hardware, but be flexible to react on the demands of the scientists and their projects... 1124288105 M * martin and if you know scientists, you know what strange things they always *think* they will need, just to change it the other day 1124288129 M * Bertl *G* yeah, I know ... 1124288140 M * martin :) 1124288189 M * Bertl you might consider adding your institute to the list of happy linux-vserver users ... (which actually needs a cleanup :) 1124288215 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/VServer+Users 1124288222 A * wibble adds.. 1124288238 M * wibble oh, if you ever need another mirror or something just ask 1124288257 M * Bertl okay, will keep that in mind ... 1124288335 M * Bertl wibble: hmm, native english speaker? 1124288351 M * wibble yes 1124288361 M * wibble from the UK :) 1124288376 M * Bertl good to know, we always need those for papers/publications etc ... 1124288395 M * wibble hehe 1124288402 M * wibble well just drop me a mail if you need me to do something 1124288407 M * wibble tim@uksolutions.co.uk 1124288416 M * Bertl excellent, thanks in advance! 1124288482 M * eyck nobody understands british these days though, 1124288512 M * Bertl that makes it 1337, no? 1124288592 M * Bertl eyck: btw, how is 1.2.11-pre1 doing? 1124288792 M * eyck working fine on 3 machines, 1124288802 M * Bertl xfs only, I presume? 1124288821 M * eyck yes, I hadn't had the time/health to test it with reiser, sorry. 1124288826 M * martin i've put a small statement on your users page :) 1124288839 M * martin I've to leave now, thanks again for your help! 1124288844 A * wibble starts printing t-shirts 1124288861 M * Bertl martin: again, you're welcome! and have fun! cya! 1124288865 M * martin bye 1124288869 Q * martin Quit: si vis pacem, para bellum 1124288897 M * wibble vservers do rawk though 1124288991 M * Bertl as in rawk and roll? *G* 1124289013 M * wibble lol 1124289017 M * wibble as in fantastic! 1124289049 M * Bertl great! what do you use them for, btw? 1124289072 M * wibble a number of applications - server side hosting our support system, ftp, mail servers etc 1124289082 M * wibble i use them personally for my shell server and other stuff 1124289089 M * Bertl so basically service separation ... 1124289100 M * wibble and also looking to use them as a customer backup service (i.e. virtual backup server) 1124289103 M * wibble yeah 1124289114 M * wibble mainly because I don't like mixing config files etc and 1124289132 M * wibble its really cool because if I no longer need a service, i can just delete it and don't end up with cruft in the configs 1124289138 M * Bertl i.c. 1124289159 M * wibble ripe will prolly kill me for the waste of IP space but hey :) 1124289188 M * Bertl well, depending on the type of service, you can probably map them together ... 1124289208 M * wibble well i can justify the use 1124289227 M * eyck Bertl: yes, but without 'vserver enter' managing this becomes a headache, right? 1124289241 M * wibble haven't tried to put fedora/gentoo etc in a vserver 1124289340 M * Bertl eyck: no, not really, I was more thinking of S/DNAT and private ips ... 1124289385 M * eyck Bertl: and ssh from host to private IP? and you REALLY don't think 'vserver enter' makes more sense? 1124289412 M * eyck also, S/DNAT doesen't work that well with FTP, 1124289442 M * eyck but, what do I know, 1124289506 M * Bertl eyck: you got me wrong when you think that I want to eliminate the 'enter' functionality without proper replacement 1124290187 M * Bertl hmm, seems like xfs ses a separate interface for quota ... 1124290204 M * Bertl at least it doesn't know the 'usual' quota ioctls to turn quota on ... 1124290255 M * Bertl btw, updated the testcq.sh again ... 1124290931 M * Bertl hmm, seems like we need some helper tool to create inodes with a cerain uid/gid ... 1124291038 Q * nox Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124291777 M * eyck certain uid? why would you need whole seperate tool for that? 1124291787 M * eyck touch+chown is not enough? 1124291831 M * Bertl that's one case ... but I need the touch from uid/gid case too 1124291850 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de 1124291857 M * Bertl in the first case, quota is transferred, in the second one, the quota is allocated with that uid/gid 1124291866 M * Bertl wb nox! 1124291886 M * nox thx Bertl 1124292341 Q * lownoize Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124292988 J * lownoize ~lownoize@p54AC95EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1124293051 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70 1124293259 J * lonewolf1 ~lonewolff@host86-128-17-74.range86-128.btcentralplus.com 1124293267 Q * lonewolff Read error: Connection reset by peer 1124293846 J * _pg|cereal ~cereal@217.20.124.153 1124293896 Q * pg|cereal Read error: Connection reset by peer 1124293905 N * _pg|cereal pg|cereal 1124293938 M * Bertl okay, off to dinner now ... back later ... 1124293961 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1124294705 M * renihs mahlzeit 1124295127 M * Neubix Cu alle .. feierabend ;-) 1124295141 Q * Neubix Quit: Verlassend 1124295338 Q * renihs Quit: Leaving 1124295399 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70 1124295994 Q * lonewolf1 Quit: leaving 1124296027 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1124296037 M * Bertl back now .. thanks renihs! 1124296059 M * renihs you are welcome 1124296128 Q * renihs Remote host closed the connection 1124296599 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70 1124297003 J * lonewolff ~lonewolff@host86-128-17-74.range86-128.btcentralplus.com 1124297698 Q * melle Quit: Leaving 1124297730 J * sannes ~ace@cm-84.210.64.239.chello.no 1124297741 M * wibble hmm 1124297756 M * sannes BME included in vserver now? 1124297762 M * wibble think disk limits are borked 1124297766 M * wibble they do work on reiser right? 1124297786 M * Bertl wibble: yes, they are supposed to work there ... 1124297792 M * wibble /dev/hdv1 26G 0 25G 0% / 1124297795 M * Bertl sannes: in 2.1.x yes ... 1124297800 M * wibble yet, I am copying a CD 1124297806 M * wibble onto the vserver guest 1124297817 M * wibble test12:/export# cd /export/ 1124297817 M * wibble test12:/export# du -sh . 1124297817 M * wibble 211M . 1124297826 M * wibble test12:/export# du -sh . 1124297826 M * wibble 218M . 1124297838 M * wibble yet, nothing increases! 1124297853 M * daniel_hozac how are you copying the CD? 1124297860 M * wibble using samba inside the guest 1124297866 M * wibble from a winblows PC 1124297872 M * Bertl just to make sure, the device is mounted with tagxid and you are writing the stuff from inside a guest? 1124297880 M * wibble yup 1124297886 M * wibble /dev/mapper/vg00-vserver--root on /var/lib/vservers type reiserfs (rw,tagxid) 1124297932 M * Bertl okay, give me a minute to recreate a similar setup ... 1124297932 M * sannes Bertl : ah, explains it, was quite sure someone said it was in vserver and I couldn't see it .. 1124297953 M * wibble and from df -h on teh host, I can see the disk space being used. 1124297963 M * Bertl sannes: also the gentoo folks add it by default, IIRC 1124298096 M * wibble when removing disk limit (using vdlimit -x 102 --d ) i can see it increasing 1124298543 M * Bertl wibble: could you check with lsxid what xid one of the files you copied over has? 1124298617 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk 1124298671 M * wibble 102 ./WIN51IS 1124298671 M * wibble 102 ./WIN51IS.SP1 1124298671 M * wibble 102 ./AUTORUN.INF 1124298677 M * wibble correct! 1124298687 M * Bertl hmm .. okay .. sec 1124298735 M * wibble du works, but df -h doesnt 1124298761 M * Bertl du does sum up the actual values ... so that is expected 1124298785 M * Bertl it seems I can reproduce this issue here ... verifying now ... 1124298791 M * wibble lol 1124298798 M * wibble another bug report for wibble? :) 1124298823 M * wibble i feel the title of chief tester coming along! 1124298825 M * Bertl well, you already found the one to report that bug to ... 1124298841 M * wibble ah 1124298923 M * wibble is this related to reiser or a bug in general? 1124298935 M * Bertl hehe, that's what I'm checking right now ... 1124298939 M * wibble :) 1124298989 M * wibble i think this is all because I called my test vserver "13" lol 1124299002 M * Bertl good choice .. a lucky number :) 1124299031 M * Bertl okay, it works quite fine with ext2 1124299046 M * wibble ah ok, /me wonders about ext3 1124299053 M * wibble i can try that by bringing up a new vol 1124299056 M * Bertl guess that will work too ... 1124299065 M * Bertl checking xfs now ... 1124299066 M * wibble so its a reiser bug eh? 1124299086 M * wibble i have absolutely no idea what I am doing really 1124299088 M * wibble hehe 1124299184 M * Bertl hmm, xfs seems to have the same issue ... 1124299196 M * Bertl did you test ext3 in the emantime? 1124299197 M * wibble oooh how interesting! 1124299202 M * wibble im doing it now! 1124299215 M * wibble seems that mkfs.ext3 is taking a long time :( 1124299254 M * eyck mkfs.xfs is fast... 1124299296 M * wibble i think this server may have hard disk problems but it will get there eventually 1124299364 M * wibble or maybe not 1124299381 M * Bertl okay, ext3 is fine too .. 1124299384 M * wibble lol 1124299392 M * wibble so, I will change to ext3 1124299418 M * Bertl well, reiser is probably easy to fix ... 1124299425 M * Bertl xfs will be trickier ... 1124299437 M * wibble when will the next patch be out? :) 1124299445 M * wibble I need me vlans and disk limits :) 1124299451 M * Bertl patch or release? 1124299458 M * wibble patch to fix my bugs! 1124299479 M * Bertl hmm, I guess in a few hours ... (regarding reiser + dlimits) 1124299489 M * wibble you want me to file this bug or you going to do it? 1124299498 M * wibble since you have all of the evidence... 1124299499 M * wibble lol 1124299523 M * wibble meantime i will change to ext3 1124299525 M * Bertl I'll handle the vdlimit .. no need to file it as bug ... 1124299533 M * wibble no worries! 1124299560 M * Bertl but you have to bug enrico regarding the vlan stuff ... 1124299578 M * wibble how do I do that? :) 1124299599 M * Bertl hmm, via email + cc to the ML I guess ... 1124299618 M * wibble i prolly should join the ML 1124299634 M * Bertl not a bad idea .) 1124299651 M * wibble subscribed :) 1124299693 J * stephenM ~steve@83.151.227.52 1124299699 M * stephenM hey all 1124299700 M * Bertl welcome stephenM! 1124299706 M * stephenM Bertl :) 1124299718 M * renihs hmm shouldnt chxid -c 160 -R /vservers/test6 chage thex xid from all files of the vserver to the new xid? (invalid argument error) lsxid shows !!ERR!!) 1124299726 M * renihs argl, my typing 1124299742 M * stephenM where would I find the guest templates for debian? and also - is it actually possible to run a debian guest from centos? 1124299757 M * wibble right. I think home time - catch everyone later 1124299773 M * Bertl stephenM: I do not know if there are ones .. and yes it is possible 1124299777 M * Bertl wibble: k, cya 1124299791 M * Bertl renihs: so the issue is already resolved? 1124299793 M * stephenM Bertl: how would I build a debian guest without templates? 1124299824 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver 1124299831 M * Bertl check out the vserver creation section 1124299839 M * Bertl (there is an example for debian below) 1124299873 M * renihs Bertl, hmm no i guess not (trying to find docu), if i do lsxid on any file in my test vserver i get !!ERR!! (from host system) 1124299888 M * renihs if i try to change with chxid i get invalid argument 1124299895 M * renihs i must be doing something wrong :) 1124300139 M * Bertl renihs: !!ERR!! is a good indication that the filesystem is not mounted with tagxid 1124300154 M * Greek0 can I bind-mount directories into the vserver and change attributes on the way? (options=bind,ro) 1124300165 M * Bertl renihs: check with cat /proc/mounts 1124300179 M * Bertl Greek0: with the BME patches yes ... 1124300252 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving 1124300256 M * Bertl eyck: do the disk limits work on xfs with 1.2.x + q0.14 ? 1124300258 M * Pazzo Bertl: 2.6.12.4-vs2.0 (as a debian package, selfmade) and debian util-vserver 0.30.207-8 from sid are running fine together. currently there is 0.30.207-11 in sid - didn't test it (and don't want to do so :-) 1124300264 M * Pazzo have to leave now, cya! 1124300276 M * Greek0 Bertl: thanks 1124300284 A * Pazzo is away: ... 1124300286 M * Bertl Pazzo: k, cya, btw 0.30.208 is current 1124300290 A * Greek0 goes to compile yet another kernel :) 1124300314 M * Bertl Greek0: 2.1.0-pre1 contains BME and the COW code ... 1124300324 M * Pazzo Bertl: I know, thanks (you asked me to test vs2.0 with 0.30.207 on debian to see if it would work) 1124300331 M * Greek0 Bertl: COW? 1124300339 M * Bertl Pazzo: ah, okay, thanks for reminding me ... 1124300346 M * Greek0 copy-on-write? 1124300356 M * Bertl Greek0: yep, as link breaker for unified files :) 1124300444 M * Greek0 I thought that was in already? so v{un,hash}ify only works beginning with that version (or with seperate patches before)? 1124300478 M * Bertl wibble: hmm, seems that it is no bug, I just didn't implement it for reiser/xfs/jfs yet ... 1124300503 M * Bertl Greek0: no, but you do not require COW for unification 1124300506 M * renihs Bertl, bla, me feels dumb 1124300523 M * renihs however now mount shows it mounted with tagxid , cat /proc/mount does not however 1124300549 M * Bertl mount is like less (it just reads the /etc/mtab file for you :) 1124300570 M * Bertl /proc/mounts shows the full truth ... 1124300570 M * renihs gruml :) 1124300572 M * renihs k 1124300581 M * Bertl is it a separate partition? 1124300610 M * renihs no, now it works if i do it on cli 1124300615 M * Greek0 Bertl: uh, how was breaking of unified files handled before then? 1124300628 M * stephenM Bertl: I've used the debian build command as shown, but I'm getting this error: 1124300628 M * stephenM E: Couldn't work out current architecture 1124300630 M * renihs ...stupid question, in fstab, how do i tell tagxid option? 1124300679 M * Greek0 renihs: just add it to the fs options 1124300679 M * Bertl stephenM: is unusual ... what arch do you have? try specifying ARCH= before the command 1124300699 M * Bertl renihs: is it the root partition or a separate one? 1124300714 M * renihs h/dev/sda1 /vservers reiserfs tagxid doesnt seem to work 1124300719 M * renihs seperate 1124300754 M * stephenM Bertl: I'm using i386, I specified ARCH=i386 but it's still not working 1124300761 M * Bertl renihs: okay, should be fine ... what kernel/patch version do you have? 1124300782 M * renihs 2.6.12-vs2.0 1124300785 M * renihs gentoo 1124300797 M * Bertl stephenM: could you upload the output of testme.sh somewhere (e.g. pastebin.com) 1124300814 M * stephenM sure 1124300826 M * Bertl renihs: what 'error' do you get if you unmount and mount it? 1124300848 M * renihs none :), mount -a, but then cat /proc/mounts shows no tagxid 1124300864 M * stephenM http://pastebin.com/339181 1124300866 M * Bertl Greek0: the unification is absed on the ability to 'unlink' a unified file ... so you do unlink, then write ... 1124300868 M * renihs hmm k, me sitts in corner 1124300872 M * renihs it works, dont listen to me 1124300898 M * renihs my brain is fooled to easily 1124300899 M * renihs gruml 1124300934 M * Bertl stephenM: hmm, could you upload the output of such a build line: 1124300959 M * Bertl vserver foo build -m debootstrap --hostname vs.foo.org --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.3.1/21 * --context 42 -- -d sarge -m ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian 1124300972 M * Bertl *hrmp* 1124300979 M * stephenM sure 1124300980 M * Bertl vserver foo build -m debootstrap --hostname vs.foo.org --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.3.1/21 --context 42 -- -d sarge -m ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian 1124300986 M * Bertl (that's the right one) 1124300999 M * stephenM http://pastebin.com/339186 1124301000 M * stephenM oh 1124301000 M * stephenM lol 1124301001 M * stephenM sec 1124301059 M * stephenM http://pastebin.com/339188 1124301151 M * Bertl hmm .. i686 is unusual for debian ... maybe that's why it is complaining? 1124301190 M * stephenM I tried setting ARCH=i386 but it's still not wokring 1124301191 M * stephenM working* 1124301281 M * Bertl 1121917653 M * Bertl Couldn't work out current architecture 1124301281 M * Bertl 1121917671 M * Bertl looks like a debian or util-vserver issue to me ... 1124301284 M * Bertl 1121917701 M * Aiken_ it needed -- --arch alpha 1124301296 M * Bertl so let's try to append --arch i386 :) 1124301299 M * stephenM ok 1124301339 M * stephenM vserver-build: unrecognised option `--arch' 1124301356 M * Bertl where did you add it? 1124301373 M * stephenM I tried it before and after the -- 1124301374 M * stephenM neither worked 1124301394 M * Bertl hmm .. okay, please file a bug report to savannah ... 1124301410 M * stephenM savannah? 1124301448 M * Bertl http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/util-vserver 1124301580 M * Bertl wibble: hmm, I'm not so sure that we will have the dlimit supported on reiserfs that soon ... I just realized that they have no inodes :) 1124302662 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk 1124302673 M * Bertl wb monrad! 1124302693 M * monrad thanks 1124302791 M * Greek0 w/topic 1124302818 M * Greek0 where can I actually find 2.1.0-pre1? 1124303176 M * Greek0 ok, found it. vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental 1124303554 M * Bertl Greek0: sorry, was answering email ... 1124303584 M * Greek0 np 1124303616 M * Greek0 I remembered the vserver.13thfloor.at domain, and then Experimental popped up in firefox.. 1124305518 M * wibble hey all 1124306150 M * Greek0 hi wibble 1124306176 M * Greek0 Bertl: before I invest any more work, do you have a backport of 2.1.0 to 2.6.12 laying around somewhere? 1124306186 M * Bertl wb wibble! 1124306188 M * Greek0 I'm just wiggling in the patch 1124306199 M * Bertl Greek0: no :) 1124306216 M * Bertl Greek0: but I ahve the patches for the bme and cow stuff ... 1124306248 M * Greek0 no. I'm testing 2.1.0 now *puts his foot down* 1124306248 M * Greek0 :) 1124306348 M * Bertl :) 1124306448 M * Greek0 it's interesting to see that some of the changes you do aren't applicable at all to the tree I'm looking at. but it looks mostly harmless 1124306458 M * Greek0 (I'm working against the debianized tree, since that's what I'll use) 1124306516 M * Greek0 e.g. in arch/i386/boot/compressed/misc.c .. your s/__PHYSICAL_START/PHYSICAL_START/ change doesn't work since 0x100000 is hardcoded here anyway.. 1124306517 M * Bertl yeah, I heard, some folks are trying to tie pudding to a tree ... 1124306637 M * Bertl wibble: btw, native speakers are always encouraged to 'correct' syntax and semantics (of the stuff we non native english speakers are babbling here) 1124306642 M * Greek0 aeh, what? 1124306807 A * Hollow nods 1124306814 M * Hollow evening * 1124306826 M * Bertl evening Hollow! 1124306942 M * wibble ok! 1124307481 M * Bertl hmm, reiser is a real challenge regarding dlimits ... 1124307489 M * wibble lol 1124307502 M * wibble well I will use ext3 for the time being but it would be nice! 1124307521 M * Bertl I'm working on it .. but it will need some testing ... 1124307534 M * wibble well I have a system here ready and waiting! 1124307564 M * wibble I am using LVM so building a new filesystem and testing wont be that difficult 1124307704 J * mess-mate ~mess-mate@lns-vlq-7-lil-82-254-197-176.adsl.proxad.net 1124307711 M * Bertl welcome mess-mate! 1124307770 M * mess-mate thanks, i've just installed the kernel 2.6.12-4, his patch and the utils 1124307816 M * Bertl great! welcome to the club! :) 1124307824 A * wibble hands out a t-shirt! 1124307888 M * eugenesan hi all 1124307896 M * wibble hello eugenesan 1124307903 M * Bertl welcome eugenesan! 1124307952 M * mess-mate i'm on a debian/sarge box. is there any good doc ( i didn't found) to setup vservers ? 1124307975 M * wibble erm 1124307985 M * Bertl mess-mate: http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver 1124307996 M * Bertl (check the vserver creation and examples) 1124308032 M * eugenesan i tested 2.6.12.5 previous patch seems to work (with minor makefile fix), and seems to work fine 1124308045 M * wibble yeah, me too 1124308073 M * eugenesan how can i check whatis my ip inside guest? 1124308112 M * Bertl eugenesan: ip addr ls (or with cat /proc/self/ninfo if not disabled) 1124308137 M * wibble although I would change --context to in that doc 1124308139 M * eugenesan hmm, what is "ip"? 1124308173 M * Bertl the (new? since a few years) tool to manage ip and interfaces ... 1124308184 M * wibble I never use ip :) 1124308193 M * Bertl the package is called iproute/2 IIRC 1124308246 M * eugenesan iproute in guest? 1124308272 M * Bertl you wanted to check from inside the guest, no? 1124308323 M * wibble depends how you read it :) 1124308336 A * Bertl is now rereading ... 1124308356 M * wibble could consider that an IP is configured inside an interface 1124308363 M * wibble guest 1124308364 M * wibble rather 1124308372 M * wibble could consider that an IP is configured inside a guest 1124308378 M * Bertl right, okay, you can check that by inspecting the config then ... 1124308382 M * wibble indeed! 1124308411 M * wibble but obviously its not "inside" a guest - as that is more like vmware 1124308414 M * Bertl btw, iproute2 is dated back to April 1999 (on their archives :) 1124308443 M * Bertl (and that was version 2.2.4 :) 1124308446 M * wibble hehe 1124308500 M * wibble source based routing is quite nice with iproute2 1124308512 M * eugenesan i am kinda lost, i thought iproute used on host, and i still can't figure how guest use network. I found that guest can access internet while his interface is out of NAT subnet and no gateway configured for guest... 1124308527 M * wibble I just wonder if it is possible to have the same IP/Subnet configured on multiple interfaces 1124308567 M * Bertl eugenesan: could you describe your current 'host' and network setup, and where you are heading to (i.e. what you want to accomplish)? 1124308594 M * Bertl wibble: yes, you can have that ... 1124308610 M * wibble now that is interesting... 1124308660 M * Bertl wibble: but it's quite confusing, not only for the user but also for the kernel ... 1124308692 M * wibble yes, I can imagine. It's just if a customer has the same RFC1918 address space 1124308700 M * mess-mate Bertl: thanks for the tip, but it talks only about distributions. 1124308736 M * Bertl mess-mate: hmm, maybe I misunderstood your question then ... 1124308748 M * Bertl could you rephrase it? 1124308892 M * eugenesan Here is my config: host is: eth0::213.199.32.55/255.255.255.224 (just address that will be used in future no gateways or NAT in subnet), eth1::192.168.0.199/255.255.255.0/GW-192.168.0.100. 192.168.0.100 is NAT and DNS. Guest::213.199.32.56/255.255.255.224. And guest some how can access the net??? 1124308921 M * mess-mate Bertl: well, i've several distributions on this machine, debian, mepis, mandrake, freebsd. So thougt accessing those distribs with the help of vservers without quiting say debian. Second: setting-up servers as a webserver, mailserver, etc.. 1124308947 M * wibble mess-mate: you wont be able to use freebsd - as the vservers share the same kernel space 1124308977 M * Bertl eugenesan: I assume you have a 'normal' routing setup with a router (probably at 213.199.32.49 on the host, no? 1124308987 M * mess-mate Bertl: of course not the same kernel. 1124309045 M * Bertl mess-mate: linux-vserver is based on using the very same kernel (because it uses only one kernel) for all guests ... 1124309073 M * Bertl mess-mate: if you want to run some bsd or different kernels you have to look into Xen or QEMU ... 1124309095 M * Bertl (for different linux kernels you can also look into UML) 1124309102 M * eugenesan Bertl: i don't have other pcs in that subnet, the only two is guest and host. And i didn't touch any routing. 1124309151 M * Bertl eugenesan: yes, that should be fine, the only question is, does the router (probably .49) allow the guest ip .56 to access the internet ... 1124309179 M * mess-mate Bertl: the doc talks about debootstrap a distrib, but i've the necessary distribs installed in other partitions. is there a way to get they in a vserver ? 1124309195 M * Bertl ah, okay, now we are heading somewhere ... 1124309210 M * Bertl mess-mate: yes, you can basically copy or mount them 1124309232 M * Bertl you just need a config for your 'guest' which can be created with the skeleton method ... 1124309234 J * lpicy ~lpi@193.170.52.70 1124309241 M * Bertl welcome lpicy! 1124309242 M * eyck oooh, those namespaces are sooo great 1124309264 M * eugenesan router? i don't have any router in that subnet. I have NAT on PC with IP 192.168.0.100. It seems that guests uses default gateway of the host if there are two interfaces on host. 1124309292 M * stephenM eugenesan: as far as I understand it, you can only have 1 default gateway 1124309305 M * wibble eugenesan: what is the default gateway on the server? 1124309306 M * Bertl stephenM: no, see Documentation 1124309319 M * lpicy hi, sorry, i only want to listen a bit: i am about to configure my first vserver 1124309326 M * mess-mate Bertl: ah.. good news. So where can i found the doc ( or information) how to do that ? Mounting the distrib in a vserver and swithing from one to another ? 1124309343 M * Bertl lpicy: you're more than welcome, feel free to linger around ... 1124309363 M * Bertl stephenM: http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200311/0470.html 1124309369 M * lpicy thanks a lot ... 1124309372 M * wibble heh, I started to linger a few days ago and im still here! 1124309396 M * eugenesan it's 192.168.0.100. I starting to get the picture. But the question is, how do i control guests gateways? 1124309419 M * Bertl mess-mate: good question ... you should probably read a little about vserver management and maybe start with a newly created (debian?) guest first ... 1124309439 M * eugenesan It's unlogical, that guest with different mask can access hosts gateway without special router. 1124309449 M * Bertl eugenesan: so you are reaching the internet via 192.168.0.100 ? 1124309459 M * eugenesan yes 1124309476 M * Bertl okay, I didn't get that first, because you have a public ip assigned too ... 1124309500 M * eugenesan no the second ip is not public, 1124309523 M * wibble i 1124309527 M * Bertl okay, in this case you have to SNAT the guest to the host IP or some other IP in the 192.168.x.x range which can reach the outside 1124309541 M * eugenesan it's just ip unaccesable out of netwotk (i have cable modem with fixed ips) 1124309548 M * Bertl eugenesan: the important detail here is SNAT not MASQUERADE 1124309583 M * eugenesan you mean that behavior is normal? 1124309598 M * Bertl hmm, which one? 1124309613 M * wibble coor, that IP range you have certainly does something interesting 1124309656 M * eugenesan that client with different mask and unconfigured gateway can access out word via host's gateway? 1124309713 M * eugenesan i was sure vserver "bridges" virtual interfaces to phisical ones. 1124309721 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch 1124309736 M * Bertl eugenesan: no, the networking happens completely on the host 1124309777 M * Bertl eugenesan: but if you assign the 213.199.x.x ip to the guest, it should not be able to 'reach' the outside, because that ip should not be relayed by the router 1124309800 M * eugenesan i think that is bad idea, by default all traffic must limited to mask specified in guest config. 1124309821 M * eugenesan it does 1124309829 M * Bertl the networking is precisely the same as on every linux system 1124309831 M * eugenesan that's the wierdest part 1124309871 M * Bertl so if you use netcat or ping to send packets from the 213.199.x.x ip, they will be routed in the same way ... 1124309937 M * Bertl btw, why are you using the public network range for your internal? setup? 1124309961 M * eugenesan i need to preconfigure many configs. 1124309968 M * wibble and do those IPs belong to you :) 1124309993 M * eugenesan yes 1124309994 M * Bertl welcome yarihm! 1124310041 M * Bertl eugenesan: you can easily block that traffic with a simple iptables rule ... 1124310162 M * wibble brb 1124310195 M * eugenesan yes, but it's very wrong that way. Since when we are blocking traffic? normally we build routers and gateways. It means that in default config any guest share his subnet with all other guests and host, It's big security hole! 1124310346 M * Bertl eugenesan: it is no more or less a security hole as every linux server is ... 1124310509 M * eugenesan maybe, but the idea was to separate guests, at least one from other and outworld. Sharing traffic in different subnets, is unlogical. Is it "architectual" issue of vserver? 1124310572 M * Bertl no, it's the way linux networking works ... and there are plenty of methods to change that behaviour ... 1124310619 M * Bertl in ngnet (future network development) we will isolate the networking further, so that you actually have something like a virtual switch to which the guests connect 1124310640 M * Bertl (but for now, It's linux networking, unmodified :) 1124310644 M * wibble now that would be nice! 1124310652 M * eugenesan ohh, that must more logical. 1124310708 M * Bertl well, depends, of course it adds additional overhead, and of course it requires a much more careful guest setup ... 1124310721 M * eugenesan i think guets creation script has to create rules that will block any traffic that is "strange" to guest. 1124310727 M * Greek0 the current way is not illogical, it's just that it doesn't match your mental model (nor mine) terribly well 1124310740 M * eugenesan yeap 1124310755 M * Greek0 we just tend to think that networking is centered about interfaces, but in the linux kernel it's not. 1124310766 M * albeiro vertual switch, i like this concept 1124310767 M * eugenesan even 50% overhead seems reasonable to me. 1124310770 M * albeiro virtual 1124310881 M * eugenesan i think it should work like colinux does it. 1124310895 M * mess-mate Bertl: sorry for the noise. Found Jacks paper and i'll experiment with it first. Come back later. Thanks. 1124310917 M * Bertl mess-mate: np ... feel free to linger around ... 1124310931 Q * mess-mate Quit: leaving 1124310951 Q * lpicy Quit: Verlassend 1124310986 M * eugenesan Bertl: did you inspect colinux concept of virtual networking? Could it be ported to vserver? 1124311037 M * Bertl eugenesan: a lot of things 'could' be ported to linux-vserver ... 1124311128 M * Bertl but linux-vserver is based on the linux kernel, while colinux is like UML running on windows 1124311190 M * Bertl and you can already get a virtual network stack with UML on linux 1124311229 M * Bertl so if the networking part is that important to you, I'd suggest to look into Xen and UML ... 1124311336 M * wibble hmm, can i run a post install script after sarge is installed 1124311376 M * eugenesan bertl: no i prefer vserver, but expected network to be more "conservative" :-) 1124311394 M * Bertl wibble: yes, IIRC there are some hooks for distro installs ... 1124311428 M * wibble ic - I have been looking at the newvserver script which is essentially a wrapper for vserver build 1124311465 M * daniel_hozac wibble: .../etc/vservers/.distributions//initpost, IIRC. 1124311474 M * Bertl ah, thanks daniel_hozac! 1124311519 M * wibble ic 1124311594 M * wibble ah, so it has sources.list for apt 1124311597 M * wibble and pubkeys too 1124311602 M * wibble how interesting! 1124312539 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: setattr/showattr returning EFAULT, was that ever diagnosed or just chalked up to gcc4? 1124312594 M * daniel_hozac i would really like to keep using the default compiler, but the current gcc in Fedora 4 seems to miscompile the kernel as well... 1124312733 M * daniel_hozac the kernel would just reboot instantly after being uncompressed. 1124312786 M * Bertl EFAULT means bad userspace address 1124312807 M * Bertl so the userspace is somehow passing a wrong address into the kernel syscall 1124312843 M * Bertl so this is definitely something which is gcc/binutils related ... 1124312854 M * Bertl (and we did not bother with further investigations) 1124312935 M * daniel_hozac i started getting it after the most recent update of gcc... the previous version (4.0.0-8) compiled working util-vservers and kernels. 1124312948 M * daniel_hozac non-working version being 4.0.1-4.fc4 1124312953 Q * Hunger Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124312965 M * Bertl yep, debian was using some 4.0.2-xxxxx 1124312979 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1124312991 M * Bertl Greek0: tracked that down to a binutil issue IIRC ... 1124313184 M * Greek0 Bertl: well, actually I just hit a simmilar bug with one of my own progs 1124313234 M * Greek0 but I could definitly imagine that this bug also causes the util-vserver problems 1124314284 Q * Greek0 Remote host closed the connection 1124314382 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: so I consider it closed until somebody can show that gcc/binutils are doing the proper thing and we have a bug in the kernel/utils ... 1124314391 J * Greek0 ~greek0@81.189.246.175 1124314407 M * Bertl wb Greek0! 1124314413 M * Greek0 re 1124314497 M * Greek0 now running 2.6.12-rc6-vs2.1.0-20050817.. I hope I was more careful with wiggling in the other rejects then the Makefile.rej one.. 1124314607 M * wibble Bertl: so this vdlimit bug - is it in the kernel or in the utils? 1124314634 M * Bertl wibble: as I said, no bug, just a missing implementation 1124314639 M * wibble ah ok! 1124314640 M * Bertl (and yes, it's kernel side) 1124314681 M * wibble fair enough 1124314712 M * Bertl and you can basically warm up your test machine .. a first test patch should be available shortly 1124314725 M * wibble hehe, its sitting here ready to go ;) 1124314731 M * wibble well 1124314738 M * wibble its not here, its in the data center 1124314743 M * wibble and im at home lol 1124314858 M * Bertl it took a little longer than expected, because I decided to overhaul the whole dlimit system ... 1124314866 Q * sannes Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124314875 M * daniel_hozac haha. 1124314992 M * wibble sorry! didn't want to cause youlots of work! 1124315072 M * Bertl well, it was on my todo list (at least implicitely :) 1124315103 M * wibble hehe 1124315163 M * Bertl ah, I forgot, I also added it for jfs ... could you test that too? 1124315218 J * Vitaly ~mobiusp@212.98.161.163 1124315226 M * Bertl welcome Vitaly! 1124315240 M * Vitaly Hi 1124315401 M * Vitaly I have problem with installing kernel-image-2.4.18ctx_rev01_i386.deb vserver on debian (kernel 2.4.27). there is say: chbind: vc_set_ipv4root(): Function not implemented after startin vserver 1124315426 M * Bertl hmm .. where did you get that antique kernel? 1124315444 M * Vitaly it's not my server 1124315448 M * Vitaly :( 1124315468 M * Bertl k, you have access to the root/host? 1124315508 M * Vitaly no, another man do all instalation wor 1124315512 M * Vitaly work 1124315532 M * Bertl hmm, okay, could that one run the following script for you? : http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh 1124315545 M * Bertl (I would be interested in the output) 1124315554 M * Vitaly ok 5 sek 1124315597 M * Bertl np, take your time ... 1124315679 M * Vitaly feynman:/tmp# ./testme.sh 1124315680 M * Vitaly Linux-VServer Test [V0.13] Copyright (C) 2003-2005 H.Poetzl 1124315680 M * Vitaly chcontext: vc_new_s_context(): Function not implemented 1124315680 M * Vitaly chcontext failed! 1124315680 M * Vitaly chbind: vc_set_ipv4root(): Function not implemented 1124315680 M * Vitaly chbind failed! 1124315682 M * Vitaly Linux 2.4.18ctx i686/0.30.207/0.30.207 [Ea] (1) 1124315682 M * Vitaly VCI:   1124315684 M * Vitaly --- 1124315684 M * Vitaly feynman:/tmp# 1124315714 M * Bertl hmm, I'd say the kernel is not vserver patched ... 1124315745 M * Bertl what kernel version do you want to use there` 1124315750 M * Bertl s/`/? 1124315764 M * Vitaly 2.4.27 1124315766 Q * erwan_taf Remote host closed the connection 1124315801 M * Greek0 aeh.. the name of the .deb indicates that you have a 2.4.18 image there 1124315810 M * Bertl Vitaly: http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_release/v1.29/ 1124315823 M * Bertl there is a patch which should work for 2.4.27 1124315834 M * Vitaly ok, greate thanks 1124315849 M * Bertl it's a little older, so some things were fixed since then ... but so were in the kernel :) 1124315871 M * Bertl wibble: good news, the kernel didn't explode on first boot ... 1124315894 M * Vitaly ) 1124316079 M * Bertl Vitaly: ah, forgot to mention, this patch is against a vanilla kernel, but it might work too with a debian patched kernel 1124316163 M * Vitaly ok 1124316396 M * Vitaly Bertl: bye, thanks for the help again 1124316403 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1124316408 M * Vitaly ) 1124316420 Q * Vitaly Quit: 1124316486 M * Bertl wibble: and basic tests work just fine including a limit test :) 1124316646 M * Bertl wibble: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-2.0.1/delta-dlimit-feat01.diff 1124317324 Q * renihs Quit: Leaving 1124317356 M * albeiro [00:21:52] <@clkao> ENOWINE 1124317361 M * albeiro lol 1124317386 M * Bertl :) 1124317419 M * albeiro self->produce_mode() ;) 1124317710 M * Bertl wibble: still with us? 1124317799 Q * monrad Read error: Connection timed out 1124318218 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, are you sure that the kernel's vc_get_iattr is ever called? i accidentally called the broken showattr on a directory, and it just failed for the directory itself while the entries in the directory worked fine... 1124318267 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: do you have the debugging enabled (VSERVER_DEBUG)? 1124318279 M * daniel_hozac no, unfortunately not. 1124318300 M * Bertl well, in that case we don't know ... 1124318307 M * Bertl but you can try with strace ... 1124318307 M * daniel_hozac strace does show vserver as returning EFAULT though. 1124318334 M * Bertl kernel is? 1124318385 M * daniel_hozac 2.6.11-1.35_FC3.vs2.0.0.0.rc4 1124318396 M * daniel_hozac ancient kernel, as the new builds won't boot... 1124318431 M * Bertl hmm .. okay, I simply look at 2.6.12.3-vs2.0 instead, k? 1124318481 M * albeiro Bertl: speaking about systrace, could you recall this trick making systrace showing meaningfull informations even in a case of added syscalls ? 1124318488 M * albeiro i remember you had one 1124318498 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: __vc_get_iattr() in kernel/vserver/inode.c 1124318503 M * Bertl albeiro: hmm, I had? 1124318532 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: there is no EFAULT returned ... so up one level 1124318549 M * albeiro yeah. say, systrace is showing me SYS for rsbac syscalls here 1124318549 M * Bertl vc_get_iattr() yep, returns EFAULT, in case of: 1124318558 M * Bertl if (copy_from_user (&vc_data, data, sizeof(vc_data))) 1124318558 M * Bertl return -EFAULT; 1124318571 M * Bertl or ... 1124318574 M * Bertl if (copy_to_user (data, &vc_data, sizeof(vc_data))) 1124318574 M * Bertl ret = -EFAULT; 1124318610 M * Bertl albeiro: IIRC we patched the strace to support vserver ... 1124318621 M * albeiro SYS_224(0x10205, 0x5, 0x7f8d3480, 0x7f8d3bfc, 0x34) = 0 1124318636 M * albeiro could you reveal how could i do it for me ? 1124318641 M * Bertl well, that is already somewhat meaningful ... 1124318663 M * Bertl sec, let me google for my patch :) 1124318669 M * albeiro hehe 1124318690 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/delta-strace-4.5.1-vserver.diff 1124318702 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: right, but why would it work for entries inside a directory, but not the directory itself? 1124318725 M * Bertl I guess it really depends on _what_ userspace provides to the kernel as address 1124318747 M * Bertl I suspect that the userspace structure is too small or badly aligned in some way ... 1124318773 M * Bertl and probably the tools use different userspace structs for dir and for files? 1124318793 M * daniel_hozac well, i ran it on /proc/virtual 1124318800 M * daniel_hozac so it's files and directories. 1124318801 M * daniel_hozac both work. 1124318845 M * daniel_hozac http://daniel.hozac.com/tmp/showattr.strace 1124318849 M * Bertl if you feel like investigating this further, you could recompile with one of the -EFAULT changed ... 1124318911 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: what is your kernel's memory split? 1124318927 M * daniel_hozac 2.5/1.5 1124318937 M * daniel_hozac 1 GiB of RAM. 1124318953 M * Bertl okay, so the 0x8049860 is still in userspace, right? 1124318998 M * albeiro thx, will try to get something like this. first i have to understand the changes :) 1124319031 M * daniel_hozac i would assume so. 1124319042 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: hmm, actually it's interesting that vserver() is dumped with 5 arguments :) 1124319048 M * daniel_hozac i agree. 1124319092 M * Bertl but probably the strace folks just got that wrong :) 1124319119 M * Bertl as it is in strace now, maybe we should update the strace patch/interpretation and submit it? 1124319177 M * daniel_hozac makes sense. 1124321437 M * Hollow Bertl: what's this dlimit-feat01 about? 1124321463 M * Bertl it's the first step to adding dlimit support for reiser and jfs 1124321482 M * Hollow ah ok 1124321487 M * Bertl except for some minor bugs ... 1124321547 M * Hollow read sth about reiser not using inodes, are these changes because of that? 1124321589 M * Bertl no, actually the not-using-inodes part was not the issue, the variable block size was ... 1124321614 M * Hollow ic.. i'm not an fs expert, but is the inode thing a big problem? 1124321636 M * Bertl but fortunately my design for dlimits was generic enough to handle that with some minor changes 1124321647 M * Hollow :) 1124321682 M * Bertl not really (ad problem) it just reports 0,0,0 for inodes currently (as probably on unpatched kernels too) 1124321841 M * Bertl but as usually I'm lost with the xfs code ... 1124321857 M * Hollow for dlimit? 1124321862 M * Bertl yep 1124321890 M * Bertl but what do I expect of a filesystem which uses code like: 1124321896 M * Bertl XFS_WANT_CORRUPTED_GOTO(i == 1, error0); 1124321948 M * Hollow well, i use xfs only, it never caused any problems 1124322006 M * Bertl I'm not saying that it is badly designed or evil or anything ... it's just very different (and complicated because not natively implemented) inside the linux kernel 1124322045 M * Hollow mhm