1123977666 M * sid3windr yea 1123977670 M * sid3windr it has a pretty nice stylesheet 1123977709 M * sid3windr (weedpage) 1123977754 M * greenone i think thats the one im seeing... 1123979982 M * greenone so im going to call it a night 1123979989 M * greenone bye 1123980009 P * greenone exit 1123982160 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1123982730 J * duckx ~Duck@mna75-1-81-57-39-234.fbx.proxad.net 1123983463 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host208.201-252-11.telecom.net.ar 1123983499 M * Bertl okay folks! I'm off to bed now ... have a nice one, and cya tomorrow ... 1123983513 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1123984239 Q * stephen-^ Quit: 1123987022 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection 1123989015 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando 1123989956 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1123990080 Q * lilo_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123990360 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-001.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1123998455 Q * eugenesan Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com 1123999812 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu 1124003809 M * MooingLemur whee, I got festival working with gaim running over vnc running under a vserver with remote esd sound being sent over openvpn to a windows box with cygwin esd running as a service :P 1124004228 M * Hollow MooingLemur: o.o 1124006304 M * MooingLemur although I can't seem to prevent cygwin esd from switching to the usb headset device whenever I plug it in, even while it's in the middle of playing sound. 1124006808 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl_oO 1124006866 M * MooingLemur linux boxes tend to do what you tell them to do, windows boxes, not so much. 1124008700 J * OliverA ~kvirc@ti200710a080-14221.bb.online.no 1124012737 J * VooDooMaster ~icechat5@p549CBAC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1124013366 J * Doener_ ~doener@p548750F4.dip.t-dialin.net 1124013409 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1124013600 J * Liquid3649 ~Liquid364@p54974991.dip.t-dialin.net 1124013802 Q * Doener` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124014923 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70 1124015311 Q * OliverA Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1124016327 Q * Beave Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124016340 J * Beave ~beave@vistech.org 1124016809 P * Liquid3649 1124018408 M * renihs Bertl_oO, ??? http://http//www.13thfloor.at/vserver <---redirects to www.microsoft.com ??? 1124018455 M * renihs is that wanted? 1124018527 M * lonewolff renihs: its not the site, its because you have to http://'s in the url 1124018536 M * lonewolff your client is redirecting you :P 1124018561 M * lonewolff http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver works fine 1124018694 M * lonewolff if you just put http://http:// into your address bar you will probably find it redirects you to the same place 1124018704 M * renihs mozilla firefoxts redirects me? i did not have the other http in url 1124018707 M * renihs just pasted wrong here 1124018731 M * lonewolff yes, firefox sends you to microsoft.com when you add an extra http:// 1124018737 M * renihs ah it seems 1124018742 M * renihs god i was shocked 1124018753 A * renihs feels dumb 1124018798 M * renihs very dumb,...good thing i am afk for a few days, so i wont notice the reactions :) 1124018805 M * lonewolff lol 1124023875 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: Hi! Can you roughly say, when vserver2 will be stable in gentoo-portage? 1124023905 M * Hollow VooDooMaster: during this month i'd say 1124024588 M * VooDooMaster Hollow: Great! Thanks! 1124025582 Q * pusling Quit: Reconnecting 1124025597 J * pusling pusling@195.215.29.124 1124026724 J * Neubix ~brian@G5772.g.pppool.de 1124026840 M * Neubix some know howto compile with dietlibc in debian sarge? dpkg -l |grep dietlibc 1124026840 M * Neubix ii dietlibc 0.28-3 diet libc shared libraries - a libc optimize 1124026840 M * Neubix ii dietlibc-dev 0.28-3 diet libc - a libc optimized for small size 1124026840 M * Neubix ./configure --disable-dietlibc --sysconfdir=/etc --with-vrootdir=/home/vservers 1124026843 M * Neubix configure: WARNING: *** *** 1124026845 M * Neubix configure: WARNING: *** it is strongly recommended to link util-vserver against *** 1124026847 M * Neubix configure: WARNING: *** dietlibc; glibc's NSS functions are very unreliable in *** 1124026849 M * Neubix configure: WARNING: *** chroot() environments, so you have to expect problems *** 1124026850 M * Neubix configure: WARNING: *** there. *** 1124026852 M * Neubix configure: WARNING: *** *** 1124026893 M * Neubix without --disable-dietlibc the same 1124026966 P * fosco 1124027357 Q * VooDooMaster Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! clap@#&$NO CARRIER 1124028360 J * VooDooMaster ~icechat5@p549CBAC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1124030859 J * flavour ~flavour@dsl-80-46-148-156.access.as9105.com 1124030910 M * meebey Neubix: apt-get source util-vserver 1124031062 M * flavour lo, do default kernals have a problem with Grub & paths like root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00? 1124031081 M * flavour I don't see this in the Wiki, yet my newly-patched virgin kernel doesn't seem to like it 1124031114 J * OliverA ~kvirc@ti200710a080-14221.bb.online.no 1124031145 M * flavour these paths seem std on FC3 1124031485 M * daniel_hozac do you use an initrd? 1124031543 M * Neubix meebey: Thanx .. I use the original code from vserver .. I have fix my Problem .. it was "my problem" :-) 1124031741 M * flavour initrd /initrd-2.6.12.4-vs2.0.img 1124031923 M * flavour I'm diffing the 2x .config's 1124032030 M * flavour nothing apparent there 1124032036 M * flavour Maybe it's a diff problem 1124032087 M * daniel_hozac what error do you get when booting? 1124032141 M * flavour Something about 'Could not find' 1124032149 M * flavour yet the initrd & vmlinuz are def there 1124032220 M * flavour I've switched fstab from LABEL to /dev/hda1 for /boot 1124032238 M * flavour The other partitions are /dev/VolGroup etc 1124032244 M * flavour but it doesn't seem to be getting that far 1124032258 M * daniel_hozac so how far does it get? 1124032260 M * flavour ext3 should be ok, surely? ;) 1124032267 M * flavour Grub menu appears ok 1124032278 M * flavour I can boot back into default FC3 kernel (hence here I am) 1124032291 M * flavour or I select the other & it says something about 'can't find' 1124032303 M * flavour I'll reboot into it again & get the exact error, I guess 1124032316 M * flavour I can't see anything obvious with tyops in grub.conf 1124032325 M * flavour bbl 1124032329 Q * flavour Quit: Leaving 1124032697 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1124032907 Q * lonewolff Quit: leaving 1124033076 J * duckx ~Duck@mna75-1-81-57-39-234.fbx.proxad.net 1124033123 J * flavour ~flavour@dsl-80-45-186-56.access.as9105.com 1124033127 M * flavour ok, all good 1124033137 M * flavour Not sure what the error was as it didn't reappear 1124033154 M * flavour But I'll add to the Wiki that /dev/VolGroup is fine in fstab ;') 1124033166 M * flavour Now on to actually playing with VServer :) 1124033464 M * flavour I'd guess the dietlibc warning in ./configure of util-vserver is worth paying attention to, right? 1124033476 M * flavour Not mentioned in the distro HowTos 1124033613 M * Hollow flavour: which warning? 1124033641 M * flavour checking whether to enable dietlibc... no (detected) 1124033641 M * flavour configure: WARNING: *** *** 1124033641 M * flavour configure: WARNING: *** it is strongly recommended to link util-vserver against *** 1124033641 M * flavour configure: WARNING: *** dietlibc; glibc's NSS functions are very unreliable in *** 1124033641 M * flavour configure: WARNING: *** chroot() environments, so you have to expect problems *** 1124033641 M * flavour configure: WARNING: *** there. *** 1124033643 M * flavour configure: WARNING: *** *** 1124033651 M * flavour In summary: 1124033652 M * flavour Use dietlibc: no (you have been warned) 1124033689 M * Hollow well, maybe you should link against dietlibc ;) 1124033733 M * flavour That's my thinking ;) 1124033743 M * flavour It's available as std RPM, so should be easy enough 1124033751 M * flavour I'll add a note to Wiki as well 1124034014 M * flavour hmm, FC3 HowTo provides a note saying how to avoid dietlibc in RPM build, which doesn't seem advisable from the warning! 1124034030 M * flavour Oh well, note added to CentOS HowTo anyway, since that's my guest OS 1124034104 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1124035598 M * _ag_ does someone have real examples of those so said unreliabilities with glibc nss functions? 1124035692 Q * Doener_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1124036182 Q * flavour Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124036704 J * flavour ~flavour@dsl-80-43-81-127.access.as9105.com 1124037001 J * fobi wht@liiifeeee.com 1124037004 M * fobi hi all 1124037086 M * fobi i can't find any website about user of a vserver site, maybe you can help me 1124037146 M * fobi i am a user of vps based on vserver and i don't like it ;) (maybe sth. is wrong) 1124037152 M * Hollow fobi: http://linux-vserver.org/VServer+Users 1124037177 M * Hollow and http://linux-vserver.org/VServer+Hosting 1124037191 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1124037201 M * fobi ok, i see it in Public Relations part of the site 1124037212 M * fobi Hollow: thanks a lot 1124037304 M * flavour Anyone here use the CentOS HOWTO? 1124037312 M * flavour I'm building CentOS guest from FC3 host 1124037318 M * flavour All going ok so fra, but this seems odd 1124037347 M * flavour vi /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/pkgs/01 1124037360 M * flavour add contents from: http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_min_install 1124037372 M * flavour So I add that list of exact versions 1124037379 M * flavour & yum gives this error: 1124037388 M * flavour Parsing package install arguments 1124037388 M * flavour No Match for argument: indexhtml-4-1.centos4 1124037388 M * flavour No Match for argument: tzdata-2004e-2 1124037388 M * flavour No Match for argument: glibc-2.3.4-2 1124037390 M * flavour etc 1124037406 M * flavour Looking at the FC3 version of the same file, it just has 'glibc' 1124037409 M * flavour no version 1124037412 M * flavour . 1124037424 M * flavour Also this doesn't seem to be quite a 'minimal' list of packages anyway ;) 1124037494 M * flavour Formatting sucks badly too - get a couple of rogue '?' characters since the Wiki thinks they're links 1124037497 Q * stupidawy Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated 1124037515 J * stupidawy foo@198.77.239.131 1124037564 M * fobi hmm, maybe u can answer few questions ( i can't find it on the web pages) 1124037608 M * fobi does the `df` shoul return sth ? 1124037612 M * fobi should 1124037627 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124037679 M * fobi i've got only headings like "Filesystem ...." and nothing more 1124037770 M * fobi please help ;) 1124038188 M * daniel_hozac what does /etc/mtab in the guest contain? 1124038267 M * fobi wht:/# cat /etc/mtab 1124038267 M * fobi proc /proc proc rw 0 0 1124038274 M * fobi and nothing more 1124038714 M * fobi daniel_hozac: what does it mean ? everything it's allright or not ? 1124039299 J * Doener ~doener@p548750F4.dip.t-dialin.net 1124039304 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124040207 Q * _ag_ Quit: BRB 1124040243 M * fobi someone ?? 1124041222 M * Neubix fobi: noone alive :( 1124041359 M * Neubix you can use the /etc/vservers/.defaults/init/mtab file for default 1124041392 M * Neubix it's for version vserver2.0 1124041646 M * fobi Neubix: i am a user of vserber, i don't have access to let call it main administrator's privilages 1124041661 M * fobi (sorry for my english ;) 1124041687 M * fobi Neubix: simple question, can i reboot my vserver ? 1124041758 M * Neubix as user .. you cannot change the mtab file .. It's only for the Admin :( *sorry, vor my english too* :-) 1124041795 M * Neubix you can reboot if your provider support a webinterface with a reboot button.. 1124041841 M * fobi Neubix: i have root access (via ssh) 1124041869 M * fobi wht:/# reboot 1124041869 M * fobi Broadcast message from root (pts/1) (Sun Aug 14 17:50:51 2005): 1124041869 M * fobi The system is going down for reboot NOW! 1124041869 M * fobi shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl 1124041869 M * fobi init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl 1124041872 M * fobi wht:/# 1124041876 M * Neubix to your vserver. but not to the host .. ?? 1124041927 M * fobi Neubix: i have vps from hosting company that uses vserver technology 1124042096 M * Neubix I dont know VPS .. I'm new too my using vserver. normaly in vserver you need root access to the physical Server. 'vserver nameofserver stop' 'vserver nameofserver start' or 'vserver nameofserver restart' 1124042317 M * Neubix if you don't have root access to the host System, have a look to the webinterface of your provider. sometimes there are a reeboot button 1124042585 M * fobi i don't have a web interface at al 1124042588 M * fobi l 1124042819 M * daniel_hozac fobi: reboot -f 1124042831 M * daniel_hozac fobi: that mtab file is lacking at least / 1124042932 M * fobi thanks 1124042966 M * fobi but still i can't reboot 1124043267 M * MooingLemur maybe /dev/initctl is missing 1124043363 M * daniel_hozac it should be unless you're running an init in the guests. 1124043409 M * fobi i've got /dev/initctl 1124043410 M * MooingLemur I am. And I thought that was how it was supposed to work :) 1124043453 M * fobi daniel_hozac: i have init 1124043634 J * CosmicRay ~jgoerzen@gatekeeper.excelhustler.com 1124043657 Q * flavour Quit: Leaving 1124043693 M * CosmicRay Hi. I've just upgraded from 2.4.26-vs1.27 to 2.6.12.4-vs2.0 and as soon as I start up my vservers, I start getting bunches of messages on the console like this: ip_local_deliver: bad skb: PRE_ROUTING LOCAL_IN LOCAL_OUT POST_ROUTING skb: pf=2 (unowned) dev=lo len=x 1124043706 M * CosmicRay This seems to be related to using localhost in the vservers 1124043715 M * CosmicRay but I can't figure out out, and google doesn't show anything either 1124043724 M * CosmicRay but near as I can tell, everything's working. 1124043743 M * CosmicRay any hints? 1124043899 M * CosmicRay asdf 1124044300 M * fobi wht:/proc# lsmod 1124044300 M * fobi Module Size Used by Not tainted 1124044300 M * fobi wht:/proc# 1124044305 M * fobi :/ 1124044767 Q * CosmicRay Quit: Leaving 1124045125 M * MooingLemur I've used IP aliases on lo, but not lo itself in a vserver 1124045195 M * MooingLemur (for purposes of load balancing via a serveriron using dsr) 1124047142 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1124047151 M * shuri hi Bertl 1124047152 M * Bertl evening folks! 1124047163 M * Bertl hey shuri! LTNS! 1124047188 M * shuri hehe 1124047190 M * Doener evening Bertl 1124047191 M * DaPhreak *hrm* exams definitly suck .. 1124047197 M * Doener 2.1.0-pre1 runs fine here 1124047199 M * DaPhreak morning Bertl :) 1124047227 M * Bertl renihs: LOL! 1124047249 M * Bertl Doener: ah, good to hear, tested the COW stuff yet? 1124047250 M * shuri 2.6.12.4-vs2.0 #1 run fine for me 1124047260 A * DaPhreak goes and fetches 2.1.0-pre1 1124047266 M * Bertl DaPhreak: why do they suck? 1124047314 M * DaPhreak Bertl: because i'm not built for exams .. especially the oral ones .. 1124047318 M * Doener Bertl: no, not yet 1124047363 M * Bertl DaPhreak: I always prefered and still prefer oral exams over written ones ... they are more personal ... 1124047410 M * DaPhreak thats your choice :) if I had a choice, I would prefer no exams at all ;) 1124047447 M * Doener i used to hate them... but by now, i also prefer them (well, if you got a good examiner that is) 1124047476 M * Bertl DaPhreak: well, there was a time without any exams, but back then students actually _wanted_ to learn something :) 1124047500 M * DaPhreak heh .. :) times change 1124047517 M * Doener hm... maybe i should try to convince university folks that i want to learn sth. and get away without exams? 1124047586 M * DaPhreak ah .. btw. windows sucks also (as does PowerPoint) 1124047652 M * Doener heard about the OpenGL things MS plans for vista? 1124047688 M * Bertl you mean _not_ plans :) 1124047772 M * Neubix Hi Bertl 1124047772 M * DaPhreak yeah ..rumors :) only allowing OpenGL via Direct3D 1124047772 M * Bertl hey Neubix! weekend over? 1124047781 M * Neubix weekend ?? what's this ?? :-) 1124047820 M * Doener Bertl: hm, well, it is a plan to clash for cad/cam folks ;) 1124047825 M * Doener s/for/with/ 1124047841 M * Doener ... not that i think that those will care about the aero stuff anyways... 1124047875 M * Bertl well, I don't see a problem there ... 1124047906 M * Bertl since ages every win game brings it's own directX ... now they'll ship openGL too ... 1124047974 M * Doener well, the thing is, that once you install your own opengl icd, the desktop effect get turned off, and i guess the average user won't understand why 1124047994 M * Doener 'own icd' being the one for your graphics card 1124048016 M * Bertl I don't think that folks understand why this or that breaks now, do they? 1124048048 M * Bertl so in general the motto will be: it doesn't work anylonger .. get over it ... 1124048070 M * Bertl luckily no issue I have to think about ... 1124048088 M * Doener yeah :) 1124048110 M * Bertl did somebody check the wiki changes yet? 1124048154 M * Bertl Fix usual /proc permisions: 1124048160 M * Bertl /path/to/util-vserver-0.30.208/scripts/vprocunhide 1124048168 M * Doener no, just glances over the mails... 1124048171 M * Bertl don't the folks install the tools anymore? 1124048246 M * Hollow evening everyone 1124048258 M * Bertl evening Hollow! 1124049327 M * Neubix Bertl: I fond something ... when I create a new vserver with vserver NAME build (Debian Sarge), in my /etc/apt/sources.list is not stable or sarge, there are "testing" 1124049455 M * Bertl hmm, yes, and? 1124049541 M * Neubix sarge is not testing .. it's stable !! after a upgrade your system is a testing system .. better you use the disti name like sarge not "testing" oder "stable" 1124049610 M * Bertl I can't follow you ... you can set whatever you want there, no? 1124049668 M * Neubix you know, since some month Debian sarge is stable ? 1124049746 M * Bertl yeah, I heard of it :) 1124049813 M * Neubix :-) ok, when you install "sarge" you like to have a stable system .. in the /etc/apt/sources.list art testing .. it's not stable .. !! 1124049857 M * Bertl well, why don't you change the entry there then? 1124049947 M * Neubix I do it !! but not everyone see it .. it's not right , or ? 1124049999 M * Bertl ahem, we are talking about a host or guest file? 1124050018 M * Neubix guest !!.. 1124050095 M * Bertl mine shows: 1124050096 M * Bertl deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free 1124050104 M * Bertl that's fine, no? 1124050207 M * Neubix yes, that's fine .. after changing 1124050218 M * Doener Bertl: guess what he's trying to say is that after creating a debian vserver, his sources.list says "testing" by default, which is wrong 1124050240 M * Neubix yes .. thanx Doener 1124050240 M * Bertl IIRC, the file is copied from the host, no? 1124050283 M * Bertl so if you put the 'wrong' stuff there, it will get the wrong file ... 1124050286 M * Neubix my hostfile is diffrent 1124050331 Q * OliverA Read error: Connection reset by peer 1124050461 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net 1124050705 M * Bertl Neubix: I have no idea where that file comes from ... if you figure it, and think that there is a better way to get/create that file than it is done now ... please file a bug report to savannah 1124050713 M * Bertl evening stefani! 1124050746 M * stefani hola. 1124051186 M * Neubix bertl: maybe it come from debootstrap 1124051835 M * Bertl could be, could be ... 1124051886 M * Bertl anyway ... I'm off again .. maybe back later ... 1124051917 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1124052438 M * sid3windr hm 1124052445 M * sid3windr vserver build does not create sources.list. 1124052456 M * sid3windr at least not on my systems 1124052482 M * sid3windr sarge+204 (yes yes, not 208, I know) 1124052504 Q * albeiro Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124052673 M * Neubix ok good night @all 1124052685 Q * Neubix Quit: Verlassend 1124053045 J * albeiro ~albeiro@graffias.estrefa.pl 1124053234 P * stefani parting (is such sweet sorrow) 1124054038 M * Hollow off to bed too, night everyone! 1124054062 M * sid3windr night Hollow 1124057912 M * albeiro hohoho :] 1124057917 M * albeiro evening friends ;) 1124057921 M * sid3windr lo 1124057936 A * sid3windr is enjoying live dj tiesto \o/ 1124057972 M * albeiro wow 1124057974 M * albeiro where ? 1124057976 M * albeiro how ? 1124057989 M * sid3windr he's about 40m from my doorstep atm ;) 1124058005 M * sid3windr there's 13.000 people here :p 1124058033 M * albeiro yeah, can imagine 1124058079 M * sid3windr www.marktrock.be ;) 1124059463 Q * Vudumen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1124061758 J * litage ~nick@ws01.5749.dsl.winshop.com.au 1124061782 M * litage can multiple linux vservers each have a different IP address and share a single NIC? 1124061839 M * DaCa sure 1124061975 M * litage DaCa: if one of the vservers is compromised, it will be able to sniff traffic destined for other vservers on the NIC, right? 1124062060 M * DaCa no, the vserver only sees trafic destined for its configured ip adress(es) 1124062117 M * DaCa and you cant set the interface to promiscuous mode from within a vserver 1124062190 M * litage DaCa: how are you prevented from setting the NIC to promiscuous within a vserver? 1124062502 M * DaCa litage: each security context has a private set of maximum capabilities iirc, in a correctly configured vserver you cant modify the network interfaces at all, they are set up from security context 0, the host 1124062555 M * litage DaCa: thanks for that info, it's a bit of a relief knowing promiscuous mode can't be achieved =) 1124062934 M * albeiro lol 1124062936 M * albeiro http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-tech&m=112314962918380&w=2 1124063595 M * Doener *lol* 1124063811 M * DaCa usb is crap too, why doesnt he ditch it? :p 1124063850 M * Doener what would he have left then? "Take a sheet of paper and write your data down?" ;) 1124063920 J * _ag_ ag@caladan.roxor.cx