1123545630 M * Bertl Johnsie: an excellent adventure, were you travel back in time, to add a small passage to the constitution (of the USA) 1123545634 M * Aiken I have lost faith in chroot which I use for my games server, very easy to run up a new vserver instead :) 1123545668 M * Bertl Johnsie: basically saying that every household has to have a vacuum cleaner ... (you do that because you need one in the present :) 1123545716 M * Johnsie hahaha 1123545824 M * Bertl Johnsie: and btw, better easily amused than hard to entertain ... 1123545853 M * Johnsie You have a point. :) 1123545899 M * Johnsie Oh, did you see the paper on Virtual Private Asterisk? 1123545911 M * Bertl not yet, where is it? 1123545919 M * Johnsie http://joybubbles.telephreak.org/papers/vpa/ 1123545967 M * Bertl hmm, nice picture ... 1123545976 M * Johnsie haha 1123546191 M * Bertl nice paper ... 1123546203 M * Johnsie Thanks. 1123546209 M * Johnsie If you see any room for improvement, let me know. 1123546215 M * Johnsie I'll make sure it gets in there. 1123546329 M * Bertl k 1123546357 M * Johnsie I think I'm becoming senile. 1123546405 M * Bertl hmm, well, what did we talk about? 1123546413 M * Johnsie hahaha 1123546431 M * Johnsie I sat here and stared at a shell prompt for two minutes because I forgot what I was doing. 1123546450 M * Johnsie The sad part is, I'm almost 24. 1123546464 M * daniel_hozac what? that's not normal? 1123546473 M * Johnsie It is? Good. 1123546482 M * Johnsie Thanks for the reassurance. 1123546482 M * Johnsie haha 1123546910 M * Johnsie I need to master Qmail. 1123547034 M * Bertl hmm, why? 1123547166 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection 1123547264 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1123547277 M * Bertl wb ntrs! 1123547291 M * Johnsie Hmm, because I'm an idiot, for starters. 1123547292 M * Johnsie haha 1123547313 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection 1123547326 M * Johnsie Since sendmail isn't compatable with qmail, obviously, I need to figure out a way to basically make qmail act like sendmail would on a local system to push messages out. 1123547350 M * Bertl hmm, why not install postfix and be done? 1123547363 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1123548138 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection 1123548182 M * Bertl I'm shocked: reiserfs is getting cleaned up ... 1123548335 M * Johnsie I've tried postfix. 1123548338 M * Johnsie And it never ran. 1123548347 M * Johnsie I followed the Gentoo pages and what not and it failed. 1123548361 M * Johnsie And after spending 72 hours on it, I decided that it's not worth my time. 1123548366 M * Bertl hmm, sounds you're really a lucky one :) 1123548376 M * Johnsie The documentation was of little help and neither were the folks on FreeNode. 1123548418 M * Bertl well, for me it was basically install, set two entries in the config and be done ... 1123548429 M * Johnsie Nobody seemed to know the answer, so I discovered the Gentoo Wiki, followed (and understood!) the Qmail setup and the rest is history. 1123548440 M * Johnsie Oh, I wasn't so fortunate. 1123548455 M * Bertl (a few month later I read the manual and started improving the config .. but that's another story ...) 1123548549 M * Johnsie Yeah, I spent hours and hours changing configurations and trying new things and having no luck. 1123548556 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1123548559 M * Johnsie My anger and frustration wasn't worth playing with it any longer. 1123548560 M * Johnsie Hey ntrs. 1123548560 M * Bertl so what was it, nobody did know the answer to? 1123548567 M * Johnsie I don't even remember now. 1123548671 M * Bertl well, as long as you are happy with qmail ... everything is perfect, no? 1123548677 M * Johnsie http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml 1123548684 M * Johnsie Oh yes, it works nicely. 1123548688 M * Johnsie I have qmailadmin running as well. 1123548703 M * Johnsie My users can go there and change their password and what not without having to contact me. 1123548706 M * Johnsie It's very efficient. 1123548740 M * Johnsie It's a qmail, vpopmail, relay-ctrl, courier-imap setup. ;) 1123548744 M * Johnsie And it's excellent. 1123548768 M * Johnsie I'm just not sure how to make some other things happen yet, but I'm working on that. 1123548792 M * Johnsie I'm doing alright for having started in February of this year with Linux. 1123548811 M * Johnsie I've installed Gentoo on several systems at home now and I'm starting to feel at home with it. 1123548876 M * Johnsie And, I have to thank you guys (and gals?), the VServer project is fun. 1123548890 M * Johnsie If I hadn't discovered that, I think I'd be sort of bored. 1123548978 M * Doener 02:43:02 Bertl I'm shocked: reiserfs is getting cleaned up ... 1123548983 M * Doener you can't be serious! 1123549009 M * Bertl check 2.6.13-rc6 if you don't believe me ... 1123549056 M * Johnsie Eh? 1123549059 M * Johnsie ReiserFS is crappy? 1123549131 M * Bertl is it? 1123549136 M * Johnsie I dunno, I'm asking you. 1123549137 M * Johnsie heh 1123549167 M * Bertl well, I'm not using it anymore since I had those silent fs corruptions ... 1123549175 M * Johnsie :-O 1123549175 M * Johnsie Wow. 1123549197 M * Johnsie See, a few people talked ReiserFS up to be perfect and flawless. 1123549202 M * Johnsie And, being new and naive, I took their word for it. 1123549203 M * Johnsie haha 1123549217 M * Johnsie Fortunately, the vserver host is running ext3. 1123549219 M * Johnsie haha 1123549240 M * Bertl maybe it is working fine now ... maybe reiser4 will be stable too? 1123549301 M * Johnsie I hope that's the case. 1123549309 M * FaUl .oo( din't they do 'ln mkreiserfs reiserfsck' ) 1123549311 M * Johnsie I'd like to think that any package I emerge on Gentoo is stable. 1123549319 M * Johnsie But, no piece of software is flawless, eh? 1123549331 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection 1123549342 M * Johnsie Err, I should fix my context. 1123549348 M * Johnsie I'm sure it's stable, not perfect. 1123549355 M * Johnsie I'm not asking for perfection either, mind you. 1123549376 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1123549385 M * FaUl n8 1123549475 M * Bertl night FaUl! 1123556101 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now ... have a nice whatever everyone! 1123556117 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1123556509 Q * revenger_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1123556520 J * revenger ~joe@bulldog.infosys.de 1123561599 Q * Johnsie Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123563225 J * goku ~beefjunk@71-36-68-111.slkc.qwest.net 1123563707 Q * goku Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123563968 J * goku ~beefjunk@71-36-68-111.slkc.qwest.net 1123564073 M * goku when I try and run vprocunhide, I'm getting a load of bad address errors - did I do something wrong? 1123564170 M * DaPhreak goku: are you sure you compiled the kernel with vserver-support ? 1123564188 M * goku testme.sh checks out ok 1123564228 M * DaPhreak *hrm* i guess you're running gentoo, right ? 1123564243 M * goku ick.. nope.. debian 1123564270 M * DaPhreak so could you please be more verbose about the kernel and the utils you're using .. :) and probably post the errors you get to pastebin or something similar 1123564317 M * goku I'm using 2.6.12.4, with the latest stable 2.0 and the latest util-vserver w/ the patch there on the site 1123564363 M * DaPhreak ok ... then try again to run vprocunhide and paste it to pastebin.com or elsewhere 1123564376 M * goku http://pastebin.com/332673 1123564445 M * DaPhreak *uh* are you using any security features (i.e. selinux stuff) ? 1123564478 M * DaPhreak *hrm* don't get me wrong, but you do have proc support compiled in ?! 1123564481 M * goku I don't think so - this is just a vanilla install of debian 1123564484 M * goku yeah, I do 1123564504 M * goku and most of the /proc entries are there that it's complaining about, but not all of them 1123564743 M * goku I've been googleing for the past bit, and can't seem to find anything on it.. any ideas? 1123564908 M * DaPhreak goku: could you provide the output of testme.sh -v to pastebin ? 1123564913 M * goku sure 1123564966 M * goku http://pastebin.com/332681 1123564985 M * goku I know the -vs2.0 is missing off the uname, I nixed it manually. 1123565042 M * DaPhreak and on the old kernel(s) it worked, right ? 1123565105 M * goku hacking the -vs2.0 or whatever off the end?... never tried it before 1123565147 M * goku so I guess it's possible 1123565154 M * DaPhreak nope .. the 1.9.5/2.0-rc* or whatever you used before :) 1123565161 M * goku hehehe 1123565204 M * goku well, this is my first whack at the new stuff, the last vserver box I was using was still using legacy builds 1123565218 M * goku back with the 2.4 kernels 1123565873 Q * goku Read error: Connection reset by peer 1123568503 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1123570257 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving 1123571023 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection 1123571281 Q * nokoya Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123571335 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1123571357 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1123571838 Q * nokoya Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123572027 J * nokoya ~young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1123572104 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net 1123572240 J * id ~id@p54A0657B.dip.t-dialin.net 1123572250 M * id lo 1123572342 J * _nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1123572508 Q * nokoya Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123572614 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt 1123572980 Q * id Quit: Leaving 1123573850 J * prae ~prae@gut75-1-81-57-27-189.fbx.proxad.net 1123573978 Q * _nokoya Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123574023 Q * matta Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123574089 J * litage ~nick@ws01.5749.dsl.winshop.com.au 1123574460 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1123574520 J * matta ~matta@69.93.28.254 1123574544 Q * matta Quit: 1123574944 Q * nokoya Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123575643 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1123575874 J * monrad ~monrad@195.97.130.53 1123576028 M * litage what are some disadvantages to using linux-vserver? 1123576164 M * FaUl litage: little overhead 1123576178 M * litage FaUl: how so? 1123576284 M * FaUl litage: well, there are some checks wether virtualisation is needed or not, if you have an vserver-enabled-kernel they will be done even if you havn't started one single guest. I personaly don't feel a difference, so i guess its negligible 1123576382 M * litage FaUl: the physical machine is also a single point of failure.. 1123576392 M * litage can you think of any other disadvantages to using linux-vserver? 1123576417 M * FaUl litage: no ipv6-support so far, this is anoying to me 1123576435 M * FaUl litage: and you have of course security problems if there is a hole in the kernel 1123576531 M * litage thanks FaUl 1123576590 M * FaUl litage: ah, ok, you can't configure ips so far without rebooting the vserver 1123576724 M * litage FaUl: pass that by me again please? 1123576778 M * litage to bind an ip address to a vserver, you have to reboot the physical machine, or just the vserver, or..? 1123576786 M * FaUl litage: the ip-root is stacially, that means once you started a guest there is no possibility to add another ip-address to this guest without restarting the guest 1123576793 M * FaUl not the physical mashine :-) 1123576845 M * litage that's a relief =) 1123576862 M * litage but why does the vserver need to be restarted if you want to give it a different/new ip address? 1123577060 M * FaUl in the current release (this will be outdate in the next release) the iproot (basically the addresses that the vserver is allowed to use) is set in an array which is created when the vserver is started and works like chroot. you are not allowed to change it in the vserver (this won't make sense because it will break the security-model) and there is no way to change it from the outside 1123577125 M * litage FaUl: makes sense 1123577139 N * nokoya _nokoya 1123577154 M * litage FaUl: what did you mean by "this will be outdated in the next release"? do you mean that having to restart the vserver to change the ip address won't be needed? 1123578168 Q * _nokoya Quit: changing servers 1123578177 J * _nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1123578230 M * FaUl litage: thats one of the major advantages of the ngnet-patch which will (hopefully) in the next mainline :-) 1123578267 M * litage ah 1123579893 Q * meebey Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123580381 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net 1123580971 J * Neubix ~brian@p54B07935.dip.t-dialin.net 1123580998 M * Neubix hi all 1123581018 M * DaPhreak FaUl: the "hot-addition" of ip-adresses is support since -rc6? (don't know the exact version) ... 1123581049 M * sid3windr aha 1123581050 M * Neubix Herbert, you are alive ? 1123581052 M * sid3windr and hot removal as well? 1123581058 M * DaPhreak no idea sid3windr 1123581059 M * litage DaPhreak: meaning that you don't have to restart a vserver to change its ip address(es)? 1123581077 M * DaPhreak yeah .. as far as i understood Bertl_zZ / Doener .. 1123581195 M * Neubix can anyone offer a solution for vserver-quota for non-developers? 1123581331 J * Doener` ~doener@p54877B84.dip.t-dialin.net 1123581773 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123582222 Q * Neubix Quit: Verlassend 1123582243 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123582249 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1123582692 J * obi ~obi@B3114.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1123582696 M * obi hi 1123582906 M * meebey http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/62592 1123582911 M * meebey vserver on heise :-P 1123583270 Q * zimbo Quit: 1123584860 M * FaUl DaPhreak: oops, -v 1123584863 M * FaUl please 1123585093 M * DaPhreak heh, you've to ask Bertl_zZ or Doener` about the exact details .. AFAIR you have to manually configure the ip and bring it up .. (bind the ip to the context - not sure about that) then enter the context and restart the daemon which should use the new ip .. 1123586503 M * anonymousc quick question about multicast in a vserver. I'm thinking of using the spread toolkit for some logging purposes - it uses multicast to distribute logging data - does multicast require special caps or does a default vserver instance has the right privileges? (a quick test didn't get it working - but it was a very quick test. I have had it working on a solaris machine previously) 1123586691 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1123586703 M * Bertl morning folks! 1123586800 M * Bertl hey obi! 1123586923 M * Bertl anonymousc: hmm, tricky ... listen to multicast is fine (with NET_BROADCAST) ... sending multicast requires NET_ADMIN (which you do not want to give atm) 1123586971 M * DaPhreak morning Bertl :) 1123586978 M * Bertl hey DaPhreak! 1123586993 M * DaPhreak how is it going Bertl ? 1123587052 M * DaPhreak Bertl: do you have any idea, by what http://pastebin.com/332673 could be caused ? 1123587255 M * Bertl hmm, bad adress ... 1123587287 M * Bertl where do you get that? 1123587387 M * DaPhreak look at the logs around 07:14 today .. 1123587588 M * Bertl checked them, strange ... 1123588195 M * Bertl Bad adress is EFAULT 1123588205 M * Bertl this means that the 1123588210 M * Bertl if (copy_from_user (&vc_data, data, sizeof(vc_data))) 1123588235 M * Bertl or the final 1123588241 M * Bertl if (copy_to_user (data, &vc_data, sizeof(vc_data))) 1123588247 M * Bertl failed ... 1123588335 M * Bertl of course, both is hightly suspect, as it means that the userspace struct could not be copied into the kernel, or the other way round .. 1123589084 M * Bertl DaPhreak: ah, hmm .. guess he doesn't use debian sarge ... maybe he is using etch, and IIRC they added the 4.x gcc (a broken? version) .... maybe it gets the alignment wrong or something like this (just a theory ...) 1123589435 M * DaPhreak etch is Debian unstable, right ? 1123589487 M * Bertl don't ask me ... 1123589514 M * DaPhreak heh .. *g* i know Mandrake :) 1123589581 M * DaPhreak hrm .. seems more like "testing" .. and they add gcc-3.3.5 1123589600 M * DaPhreak ah .. there's also a 4.0.1 :) 1123589883 M * DaPhreak Bertl: btw. that diff against utils-.208 (on the vs2.0 page) is what for ? the syscalls ? 1123589900 M * TheSeer 8:12 a.m. - Touchdown! Discovery is rolling out on runway 22 at Edwards Air Force Base! 1123589907 M * TheSeer in case anyone cares ;> 1123589908 M * Bertl yay! 1123589936 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer 1123589939 M * Bertl DaPhreak: this one contains the two deltas (one for the kernel includes, the other one for the new syscall) 1123589966 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1123589973 M * Bertl wb Hollow! 1123590706 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1123591520 M * case case does not care. 1123591524 M * case not really. 1123591662 M * Bertl case: hmm, why not? 1123591730 M * case as long as the shuttle does not go down on my house.. 1123591867 M * Bertl i.c. so you are not interested in 'space, the final frontier' :) 1123592122 J * Blogmeister ~Blogmeist@p5487AC20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1123592132 M * Bertl welcome Blogmeister! 1123592174 Q * obi Quit: Leaving 1123592211 M * FaUl anyone interested in lynns cisco-speech at blackhat? http://mirror.verbrennung.org/files/BlackHat_US_2005-Lynn_Cisco_Presentation.pdf 1123592255 J * obi ~obi@B3114.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1123592263 M * Bertl wb obi! 1123592306 P * Blogmeister 1123592366 M * obi hi 1123592596 Q * monrad Remote host closed the connection 1123592619 J * monrad ~monrad@195.97.130.53 1123595169 M * case ber: there are frontiers in space ? 1123595198 M * Bertl yes, seems like ... 1123595221 M * case imperialistic us american propaganda.. 1123595364 M * Bertl probably ... very similar to that moon-landing stuff :) 1123596302 M * sid3windr just so you can pay customs at the frontiers.. 1123598590 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving 1123598964 Q * BWare Remote host closed the connection 1123599014 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net 1123599190 N * pg|cereal pg`aw|cereal 1123599494 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host247.201-252-52.telecom.net.ar 1123600501 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu 1123601859 J * dalys dalle@h208n1fls34o1122.telia.com 1123601988 J * DuckMaster ~duckx@195.75.27.158 1123602756 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1123603426 Q * Vudumen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123603607 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu 1123604594 J * Ninnie ~Ninnie@70.86.7.146 1123605111 Q * Vudumen Read error: Connection reset by peer 1123605169 J * romke ~romke@procyon.romke.net 1123605318 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu 1123605355 Q * romke Quit: 1123605661 Q * albeiro Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123605816 J * romke ~romke@procyon.romke.net 1123605897 J * VooDooMaster VooDoo@topas.informatik.uni-ulm.de 1123606138 M * VooDooMaster hi! 1123606147 M * Bertl welcome VooDooMaster! 1123606163 M * Bertl btw, welcome Ninnie! 1123606176 M * VooDooMaster Bertl: Hi! since does gentoo-vserver exist? 1123606194 M * Bertl +when: no idea, probably for some time now? 1123606201 J * albeiro ~albeiro@graffias.estrefa.pl 1123606246 M * VooDooMaster Bertl: :) ... right +when ;) ... it's a little empty ;) ... ist english the recommended language there? 1123606257 M * Bertl yep, definitely ... 1123606299 M * Bertl (a lot of folks read the channel, or the logs) 1123606343 M * VooDooMaster ah ok... 1123606571 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 ! 1123606587 M * Bertl okay, leaving now .. back later this evening ... 1123606616 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1123607311 J * mini ~chatzilla@APointe-a-Pitre-104-1-12-37.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr 1123607380 Q * mini Quit: 1123607410 J * mini ~chatzilla@APointe-a-Pitre-104-1-12-37.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr 1123607422 M * VooDooMaster bye bertl 1123607539 P * mini 1123608280 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando 1123609082 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70 1123609298 M * renihs grats for the 2.0 release!!!! 1123609306 M * renihs very nice work indeed 1123610585 J * sOCiETY society@p549AEEF7.dip.t-dialin.net 1123610588 M * sOCiETY hi 1123610841 M * sOCiETY i am currently work on a webinterface for Linux vServer to administrate via PDA. See the Screenshots on: http://www.serversupportforum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=3978 1123610850 M * sOCiETY feedbacks are welcome 1123611256 M * stefani ifconfig in guest not supposed to print address ? 1123611331 Q * sOCiETY Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123611363 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host247.201-252-52.telecom.net.ar 1123612671 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net 1123612891 M * MooingLemur hmm.. administering a server sans encryption is asking for trouble :P 1123613003 J * lore_23 ~Gonzalo@host121.201-252-154.telecom.net.ar 1123613055 M * keyser_soze hi all...some guru over there to help me with vlimit? 1123613379 J * sarnold ~sarnold@sarnold.noc.oftc.net 1123613432 Q * lore_23 autokilled: Spambot. We don't want to see your video. If you think this akill is in error, please contact support@oftc. 1123613645 M * stefani no longer able to get nmbd to bind to address. hrm . 1123613664 P * sarnold let me know if the spambot comes back 1123614854 M * daniel_hozac stefani: use ip instead of ifconfig. 1123615224 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123615523 M * stefani k 1123615528 Q * stefani Quit: I Quit! 1123615841 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1123616366 J * electrolinux ~dib@ADijon-153-1-24-198.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr 1123616756 M * electrolinux hi everybody! This is my first vserver, help needed for network... 1123618166 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1123618167 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer 1123618331 M * electrolinux 1. i have no /etc/vservers/.conf file, rather a /etc/vservers// dir with dirs and files inside. Is it gentoo specific, or more recent than the faq i'm currently reading ? 1123619366 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch 1123619461 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123619558 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net 1123619664 J * ntrs ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1123619872 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1123620190 M * Doener` electrolinux: it's more recent 1123620210 M * Doener` http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html 1123620219 M * Doener` there's some information on the configuration format 1123620924 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU 1123622777 Q * mef Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10 1123623711 J * Beave ~beave@vistech.org 1123623945 Q * duckx Quit: Client exiting 1123624749 M * electrolinux Doener`: ah! the "flower page" ;-) Finally, i've managed to install a debian vserver which is able to access the network. 1123624762 M * Doener` great! 1123625327 Q * albeiro Ping timeout: 481 seconds 1123626118 J * albeiro ~albeiro@graffias.estrefa.pl 1123627820 Q * ddlp Remote host closed the connection 1123627820 Q * dlp Remote host closed the connection 1123628522 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-136.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1123628871 Q * litage Remote host closed the connection 1123631016 Q * Ninnie Quit: leaving 1123631719 Q * obi Ping timeout: 480 seconds