1123287038 J * dsoul darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1123287369 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water) 1123288963 Q * kevinp Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123289079 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net 1123294892 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host65.201-252-3.telecom.net.ar 1123294974 M * Aiken if running X in a vserver a good thing or bad a thing? 1123294986 M * Aiken s/if/is 1123295294 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando 1123299512 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host65.201-252-3.telecom.net.ar 1123300539 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando 1123302389 J * dlp ~ddlp@205.234.152.200 1123302460 Q * MrX Quit: • IRcap [8.0b2] • www.ircap.net/int • 1123310628 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123315475 Q * hetche Read error: Connection reset by peer 1123315505 M * eyck it's a thing for sure 1123316639 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-191.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1123318901 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1123318905 M * Bertl morning folks! 1123318934 M * eyck morning, 1123319064 M * Bertl hey eyck! everything reasonably fine? 1123319196 M * eyck no, it's raining, can you fix that? 1123319251 M * Bertl sure .. just move a little southward ... it's not raining there :) 1123319567 M * Hollow *yawns* 1123319590 M * Bertl morning Hollow! 1123319597 M * Hollow morning Bertl 1123319639 M * Hollow did you qrite the quick start/stop/restart howto yet? 1123319642 M * Hollow *write 1123319688 M * Bertl I started, but got distracted ... will continue today or tomorrow 1123319710 M * Hollow ok, fine 1123320833 M * eyck Hollow: you're trying to re-write user tools? or sth? I'm confused... 1123320843 M * Hollow yup 1123320888 M * eyck cool, you need any help? 1123321117 M * eyck like encouragment, go Hollow go? ;) 1123321142 M * Hollow yeah, help is always appreciated ;) 1123322116 J * Doener` ~doener@p54874295.dip.t-dialin.net 1123322555 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123322632 M * Bertl okay, back later ... 1123322638 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1123325509 Q * Loki|muh Quit: rechnerwechsel 1123328229 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1123331890 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1123332014 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@ASte-Genev-Bois-151-1-22-202.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr 1123332649 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70 1123334881 J * erwan__taf ~erwan@ASte-Genev-Bois-151-1-58-23.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr 1123335304 Q * erwan_taf Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123335339 J * DuckMaster ~Duck@mna75-1-81-57-39-234.fbx.proxad.net 1123337978 Q * Doener` Quit: Leaving 1123338967 J * XjamesX ~james@S01060050bfd325fe.ok.shawcable.net 1123339007 J * Doener ~doener@p54874295.dip.t-dialin.net 1123341150 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host247.201-252-52.telecom.net.ar 1123341527 M * eyck sun returned :) thanks Bertl, whatever you did, it worked. 1123342142 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando 1123342793 J * _mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de 1123342800 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer 1123342809 N * _mcp mcp 1123342862 Q * DuckMaster Quit: Client exiting 1123346804 J * yarihm ~yarihm@217-162-114-40.dclient.hispeed.ch 1123347488 Q * flock Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123347819 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1123347867 M * Greek0 Bertl_oO, Hollow: what register was the i386 syscall problem wrt. PIC code with? 1123347883 A * Hollow shrugs 1123347891 M * Greek0 where gcc would silently produce buggy code if that register was clobbered by asm code in PIC mode? 1123347893 J * yarihm ~yarihm@217-162-114-40.dclient.hispeed.ch 1123347938 M * Greek0 Hollow: I thought Bertl told me that you had a problem with this in the syscall wrappers? 1123347953 M * Hollow well, yeah, but i don't know asm ;) 1123347957 M * Hollow i didn't fix it ;) 1123347959 M * Hollow Bertl did 1123348016 M * Greek0 ah :) 1123348037 M * Greek0 I just remembered Bertl saying something like this, and that it became an error in newer gcc versions when he pointed out the problem 1123348047 M * Hollow yup i remeber too 1123348052 M * Hollow might be ebx 1123348061 M * Hollow but not sure 1123348063 M * Greek0 and now I some "PIC register %ebx clobbered" FTBFS bug on bugs.debian.org 1123348071 M * Greek0 would make a lot of sense :) thanks Hollow 1123348074 M * Hollow heh ;) 1123348214 N * John Johnsie 1123348235 A * Johnsie waves. 1123348251 M * Johnsie Hollow: What exactly is this "is_vserver_guest" stuff, anyway? 1123348262 M * Hollow obsolete crap 1123348272 M * Johnsie Where is it coming from? 1123348284 M * Johnsie Well, before that, let me give you an idea of what I have here... 1123348301 M * Hollow hacking baselayout to run inside guests, but it was simply to hard to workaround all baselayout stuff, so i created baselayout-vserver 1123348320 J * R1 ~erwan@ASte-Genev-Bois-151-1-24-161.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr 1123348332 M * Johnsie Oh okay, so that's the trick? 1123348337 M * Johnsie I just need to emerge that then? 1123348366 M * Johnsie More or less, anyway. 1123348374 M * Hollow well, simply emerge will not do, you have to use the vserver/x86 profile and then unmerge baselayout and afterwards emerge baselayout 1123348385 M * Hollow baselayout-vserver 1123348390 M * Johnsie See, the host and guests all run Gentoo... I have no intent on using any other guest platform. 1123348395 M * Johnsie Right, I'm actually doing that now. 1123348401 M * Johnsie I just read that somewhere -- maybe one of your sites? 1123348407 M * Hollow Johnsie: well, which util-vserver version do you have installed? 1123348414 M * Hollow Johnsie: maybe ;) 1123348442 M * Johnsie What, on the host? 1123348454 M * Hollow sure, you won't have util-vserver installed inside a guest ;) 1123348457 M * Johnsie I believe it's 0.29. 1123348471 M * Hollow eh? 0.29 is not in portage 1123348488 M * Johnsie Let me go look. 1123348496 M * Johnsie 0.30.205-r1 1123348520 Q * erwan__taf Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123348546 M * Hollow ok, then go download http://home.xnull.de/work/gentoo/vserver/tools/vserver-new and just type: ./vserver-new --context stage3 and it will do the rest for you 1123348572 M * Johnsie Oh, wow. 1123348579 M * Hollow :) 1123348595 M * Johnsie Now, I'm at the intermediate level in Linux, at best... 1123348601 M * Johnsie And I'm still new to the VServer platform... 1123348614 M * Johnsie I am not grasping the context concept. 1123348622 M * Hollow if you're interested in what the script does, you should read http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/vserver-howto.xml 1123348622 M * Johnsie Could you explain that briefly to me? 1123348639 M * Hollow it basically does all these steps 1123348651 M * Hollow explain what? the contexts? 1123348656 M * Johnsie Yes. 1123348668 M * Johnsie Or, if you can point me in the right direction. 1123348677 M * Hollow http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper-04 1123348688 M * Johnsie Excellent, thank you. 1123348689 M * Hollow this will give you the basic idea 1123348732 M * Johnsie Ah, interesting. 1123348747 M * Hollow Johnsie: there will be some new stages (vserver-new uses them) with updated baselayout-vserver and many fixes soon 1123348755 M * Johnsie Awesome. 1123348766 M * Johnsie I appreciate the help. 1123348776 M * Hollow and you should always check http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/vserver for gentoo vserver stuff 1123348797 M * Johnsie So, if I read and understood properly, I need to unmerge baselayout, emerge baselayout-vserver, and then emerge baselayout again, correct? 1123348815 M * Hollow no, only emerge baselayout-vserver, normal baselayout is not needed 1123348823 M * Johnsie Okay. 1123348853 M * Hollow baselayout-vserver will always be compatible with normal baselayout, with problematic lines removed 1123348859 M * Johnsie Should I mask off 'baselayout' from emerging then? 1123348885 M * Hollow no, you don't need to, the vserver/x86 profile takes care of baselayout availability 1123348889 M * Johnsie Okay. 1123348923 M * Hollow if this is a new setup, you should probably just take the baselayout-vserver ready stage3 1123348939 M * Hollow switching baselayout can often cause headaches 1123348974 M * Johnsie Okay. 1123348983 M * Hollow you find it a d.g.o 1123348987 M * Hollow *at 1123349008 M * Johnsie I assume you're referring to stage3-i686-latest.tar.bz2 on your site, correct? 1123349029 M * Hollow yup, which is always a symlink to the latest available stage (vserver-new uses this symlink e.g.) 1123349043 M * Johnsie Oh, awesome. 1123349157 M * Johnsie Absolutely amazing. :) 1123349164 M * Hollow :) 1123349169 M * Hollow vserver-new? 1123349177 M * Johnsie Yeah. 1123349180 M * Hollow :) 1123349181 M * Johnsie I haven't run it yet. 1123349185 M * Johnsie I just read it over. 1123349192 M * Johnsie I'm about to test it shortly. 1123349198 M * Johnsie What's the latest kernel now, by the way? 1123349199 M * Hollow vserver-new can also clone existing vservers and create one from a template tarball 1123349201 M * Johnsie RC9 ? 1123349213 M * Johnsie Wow. 1123349219 M * Hollow vserver-sources-2.0_rc8 in portage, and rc9 upstream 1123349223 M * renihs hmm? i clone with a cp? 1123349231 M * Hollow it uses rsync 1123349287 M * Hollow there will be no rc9 in portage, only final 2.0 1123349352 M * Johnsie I see. 1123349431 M * Hollow if you really want to try bleeding edge, you can use http://home.xnull.de/work/gentoo/vserver/src/linux-2.6.12/patches/ this is the current prearrangement for the final 2.0 release 1123349544 M * Johnsie Ah, spiffy. 1123349565 M * Hollow though, probably, we're waiting for 2.6.13 not sure yet 1123349569 Q * R1 Remote host closed the connection 1123349583 M * Johnsie Oh okay. 1123349596 M * Johnsie Oh, by the way, I think you and perhaps Bertl asked at one point... 1123349601 M * Hollow depends on when 2.6.13 will be released ;) 1123349612 M * Johnsie We wrote up a short paper on what we call "Virtal Private Asterisk". 1123349613 M * Johnsie http://www.telephreak.org/papers/vpa/ 1123349698 M * Johnsie Your script is working nicely. :D 1123349712 M * Hollow Johnsie: nice.. in vcreate you could use MAKEDEV generic-vserver, baselayout-vserver creates safe device nodes per default though 1123349756 M * Hollow Johnsie: nice to hear, since it's still kinda beta 1123349788 M * Hollow i think i'll add some more features to vserver-new, so if you have any request just drop anote ;) 1123349790 M * Johnsie Oh, excellent...thanks! :) 1123349806 M * Johnsie Can it wash my dishes? 1123349807 M * Johnsie haha 1123349819 M * DaPhreak guess not ;) 1123349824 M * Hollow well, if you open the specs of your dish washing robot, maybe ;) 1123349842 M * Johnsie Wow, your vserver-new script created everything inside /etc/vservers as well... excellent! 1123349850 M * Hollow sure it did ;) 1123349860 M * Johnsie Actually, I love robotics, but it doesn't do the dishes. 1123349874 M * Johnsie It is loaded with excessive servo motors and what not. 1123349884 M * Johnsie And I have one I made from a crappy 'HandyBoard'. 1123349886 M * Hollow it also handles seperate /vsevrer/ partitions on-the-fly because util-vserver moans if you already have /vservers/ ;) 1123349902 M * Johnsie Mmmm...moaning. 1123349917 M * Hollow the script? 1123350071 M * Johnsie No, no, nothing's moaning. 1123350124 M * Johnsie I'm still using the following to create a VPS... 1123350125 M * Johnsie vserver vps build -m skeleton --hostname vps --flags lock,nproc --initstyle gentoo --interface gentoo=eth0:70.84.194.220 1123350146 M * Johnsie Should I migrate to the new syntax and quit using --flags, change to the plain initstyle, etc? 1123350203 M * renihs plain initstyle works nice for me 1123350307 M * Johnsie Okay. 1123350731 M * renihs updating world in my vserver-template takes too long again :( 1123350964 M * Johnsie heh 1123350967 M * Johnsie That's what I'm doing now. 1123350975 M * renihs :) 1123350981 M * Johnsie I should actually put some of mine online for download. 1123350998 M * Johnsie It usually takes me about 18 hours solid (after updates) to build a solid VPS image. 1123351012 M * renihs bla, i am using it on my router/vserver/vpn minimal livecd for easy deploying :) 1123351030 M * Johnsie Well, I have friends who have VPS guests with me. 1123351032 M * renihs hmm that seems quite long?, a simple basic template? 1123351043 M * renihs or with fancy installed stuff? 1123351053 M * Johnsie Well, I have Pure-FTPd, MySQL, Qmail w/Courier, SquirrelMail, phpMyAdmin, etc. 1123351061 M * renihs ah 1123351066 M * Johnsie I go through and make sure it's the best I can possibly do. 1123351069 M * renihs i have for each service a single vserver 1123351086 M * Johnsie Then I tar it all up and stamp the filename so I know when I made it. 1123351091 M * renihs :) 1123351103 M * Johnsie Then if someone wants an image, I just go untar it. 1123351109 M * Johnsie Instant VPS. 1123351116 M * renihs yap, i do the same 1123351123 M * renihs on a livecd 1123351141 M * Johnsie I don't have physical access to the system, I actually rent it from ThePlanet in Dallas, TX. 1123351156 M * renihs :) 1123351157 M * Johnsie I wasn't keen on having RedHat ES 3 or 4, so I went with Gentoo. 1123351162 M * renihs hehe 1123351170 M * renihs reasonable solution 1123351274 Q * renihs Quit: Leaving 1123351361 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70 1123351678 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1123351778 M * micah anyone know how unification works nowdays? 1123352039 M * Johnsie Unification? 1123352526 M * eyck no idea, 1123354989 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1123355071 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1123355358 Q * Johnsie Killed (NickServ command used by Johnny) 1123355400 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-210.zoominternet.net 1123356133 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@host247.201-252-52.telecom.net.ar 1123356606 Q * Johnsie Quit: 1123356618 Q * neofutur Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1123358159 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-210.zoominternet.net 1123360251 Q * shuri Quit: Leaving 1123361079 J * Vudumen_ vudumen@perverz.hu 1123361080 Q * Vudumen Read error: Connection reset by peer 1123363938 Q * XjamesX Quit: Leaving 1123366534 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-083.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1123366579 J * war- ~war@lucidpixels.com 1123371631 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving