1121213064 M * Bertl wb maharaja!
1121213727 N * jonsmel jonsmel_zZ
1121215398 M * Bertl night jonsmel_zZ!
1121215872 Q * Doener` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1121215873 J * tanjix tanjix@office.star-hosting.de
1121215878 M * tanjix hello together
1121215886 M * Bertl hey tanjix!
1121215911 M * Bertl how is it going?
1121215932 M * tanjix fine, thx!
1121215969 M * tanjix i could need some help on getting that 2.6 kernel to work... can you assist me? i tried the docu page again and failed :(
1121215981 M * Bertl hehe, what's the problem?
1121216005 M * tanjix after having compiled that it does not because it cannot find the modules
1121216025 M * Bertl did you install the modules?
1121216038 M * tanjix i have setup my test mchine with a plain debian sarge image and my 2.6.8-smp kernel... so i can start again... yes i did that
1121216069 M * Bertl okay, so you are using debian, and you have the 'sarge' kernel working right?
1121216118 M * tanjix yes
1121216139 M * tanjix master:~# uname -r
1121216139 M * tanjix 2.6.8-2-686-smp
1121216139 M * tanjix master:~#
1121216241 M * Bertl okay, and you are 'working' on a 2.6.12.2 kernel with latest vserver or so?
1121216252 M * Bertl (working on getting it to boot, I mean)
1121216363 M * tanjix i want to setup a new image with actual software... no special versions till now
1121216383 M * Bertl okay, you ahve some kernel config?
1121216394 M * Bertl (for 2.6 and this machine)
1121216409 M * tanjix no only the one from the debian kernel in /boot
1121216454 M * Bertl well, that is nice, but it will save you a lot of time and grief if you build your own config ...
1121216457 J * eXplasm2 explasm@p549F7C5F.dip.t-dialin.net
1121216490 M * tanjix we can do that when bulidung a new kernel...
1121216497 M * Bertl okay, get the kernel source from kernel.org (2.6.12.2) and unpack it
1121216887 Q * eXplasm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1121216989 M * maharaja re
1121216999 M * Bertl wb maharaja!
1121217006 M * maharaja and nite everyone :)
1121217066 M * Bertl night maharaja!
1121217141 M * tanjix Bertl, done
1121217155 M * Bertl okay, I assume the dir is called linux-2.6.12.2
1121217179 M * tanjix yes i have it in /usr/src
1121217190 M * Bertl okay, let's make a shallow work copy with:
1121217196 M * Bertl cp -la linux-2.6.12.2 linux-2.6.12.2-X1
1121217219 Q * Val Quit: zZz, bye all
1121217250 M * Bertl then 'cd linux-2.6.12.2-X1'
1121217270 M * Bertl and 'make defconfig'
1121217358 M * tanjix done
1121217384 M * Bertl then let's check your currently loaded modules and your pci info
1121217398 M * Bertl (upload it somewhere, e.g. pastebin.com)
1121217406 M * Bertl lsmod ; lspci
1121217441 M * tanjix http://pastebin.com/312255
1121217454 M * tanjix but that list may change on other system we use
1121217464 M * maharaja Bertl: restarted the tests because i ran out of diskspace - they are running sind 1h - just for your information
1121217484 M * Bertl tanjix: yeah, you have to do that individually (for each system) but only once
1121217520 M * tanjix i activated all the tinhgs in the kernels so far to fit all hardware possibilities we use
1121217536 M * Bertl okay, you can do that too if you prefer
1121217553 M * tanjix would be better.. so that at the end there is one universal image
1121217556 M * Bertl (but of course, it might add some overhead=
1121217598 M * Bertl for example you want to have support for the disk and your filesystem compiled into the kernel
1121217603 M * tanjix there are only some different lan drivers (e100, via-rhine, realtek and sis900) and chipset drivers
1121217613 M * Bertl (saves you a lot of trouble messing with the initrd)
1121217673 M * tanjix the rest is taken from a vanilla kernel when i remember correctly
1121217686 M * Bertl network drivers are not so important, unless you want/have to use netconsole
1121217722 M * tanjix no not that i think
1121217728 M * Bertl so if you already have a config, then please upload it somewhere
1121217743 M * tanjix no, sorry
1121217751 M * tanjix only the one from the debian kernel
1121217763 M * Bertl no, forget that one, it's just bloated
1121217765 M * tanjix but that's not needed, right ?
1121217771 M * tanjix ok :)
1121217777 M * tanjix i don't have another one
1121217796 M * Bertl so you ahve to select the drivers for chipset/ide/scsi you need for your systems now with 'make menuconfig'
1121217828 M * tanjix i'll dot hat now
1121218005 M * tanjix i selected my ide and lan driuvers, high mem support and lvm so far
1121218042 M * Bertl how much memory do you have in your systems?
1121218107 M * tanjix 1gb - 4gb
1121218134 M * Bertl well, for the 1-2GB systems avoiding highmem would be beneficial
1121218150 M * tanjix does the 2.6 kernel handle that without highmem ?
1121218169 M * Bertl the mainline kernel no, but the linux-vserver kernel does
1121218187 M * tanjix ok the i'll deactivate it
1121218196 M * tanjix till now we only have on 4gb machine up and running
1121218202 M * Bertl for 4GB you still need the highmem
1121218238 M * Bertl that's an example where an individual kernel has a benefit
1121218285 M * tanjix i think we will not have any 4 gb systems again with that image.. if really i can recompile the kernel ?
1121218316 M * Bertl sure ... just add the highmem option later ...
1121218322 M * tanjix ok
1121218336 M * Bertl it also won't hurt the 4GB machine you will there see up to 2.7GB
1121218371 M * tanjix config is ready then (from my side)
1121218397 M * Bertl okay, let me have a look at it (i.e. upload the .config somewhere)
1121218512 M * tanjix http://pastebin.com/312261
1121218577 M * Bertl you have SMP machines, how many CPUs at max?
1121218612 M * Bertl you want to disable the #
1121218613 M * Bertl CONFIG_PREEMPT
1121218644 M * Bertl and also #
1121218644 M * Bertl CONFIG_SECCOMP
1121218673 M * tanjix it's only one cou
1121218674 M * tanjix cpu
1121218677 M * Bertl and the powermanagement (PM/ACPI stuff)
1121218704 M * Bertl and on the other systems?
1121218714 M * tanjix one cpu too
1121218731 M * Bertl any system a HT (SMT) system?
1121218746 M * Bertl (i.e. does it show 2 cpus in /proc/cpuinfo)
1121218756 M * tanjix no
1121218778 M * Bertl then disable SMP it will improve performance on your UP systems
1121218790 M * tanjix what shall i comment o9ut in .config ?
1121218820 M * Bertl the best is to 'remove' lines I mentioned
1121218828 M * Bertl and then run 'make oldconfig'
1121218838 M * tanjix CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_SECCOMP ?
1121218842 M * Bertl it will ask you the removed stuff again, and you can answer properly
1121218886 M * tanjix there are 2 lines containing "PREEMPT:
1121218886 M * tanjix CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
1121218886 M * tanjix CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y
1121218892 M * tanjix delete both ?
1121218896 M * Bertl yep
1121218903 M * tanjix deleted..
1121218909 M * Bertl remove #
1121218910 M * Bertl CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT
1121218910 M * tanjix and what about ACPI ?
1121218919 M * Bertl and the MISC too
1121218941 M * Bertl ad ACPI just remove everything but the first entry 
1121218944 M * tanjix commented out 
1121218955 M * Bertl no, remove it (delete)
1121218970 M * Bertl #
1121218971 M * Bertl CONFIG_FW_LOADER
1121218981 M * tanjix stop
1121218984 M * Bertl disable that too, it's just a security leak
1121218987 M * tanjix ;)
1121219009 M * tanjix can you give me the line numbers from the pastebin that i don't do anything wrong :)
1121219040 M * Bertl you basically can not do anything wrong
1121219041 M * tanjix (an all numbers you give me shall i delete?)
1121219056 M * Bertl worst case is that it asks you something you have to answer with 'y'
1121219080 M * tanjix ok from the beginning
1121219097 M * tanjix CONFIG_PREEMPT --> delete
1121219098 M * Bertl see history (or look at the realtime logs)
1121219113 M * tanjix CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y
1121219115 M * tanjix delete
1121219123 M * tanjix  CONFIG_SECCOMP --> delete
1121219147 M * tanjix CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT --> delete
1121219157 M * tanjix CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC --> delete
1121219165 M * tanjix correct so far?
1121219181 M * Bertl yep
1121219192 M * tanjix what was with ACPI - didn't understand that
1121219204 M * Bertl remove it, except the first line
1121219224 M * tanjix CONFIG_ACPI=y
1121219229 M * tanjix shoud stay
1121219236 M * Bertl yep
1121219239 M * tanjix and everythinh below is toi delete ?
1121219243 M * Bertl yep
1121219266 M * tanjix done... hope i did not delete too much :)
1121219271 M * Bertl do you have scsi controllers?
1121219275 M * tanjix no
1121219281 M * tanjix CONFIG_FW_LOADER --> delete ?
1121219281 M * Bertl #
1121219283 M * Bertl CONFIG_SCSI=y
1121219298 M * Bertl yeah, both, remove them
1121219312 M * tanjix CONFIG_SCSI=y
1121219312 M * tanjix CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS=y
1121219314 M * tanjix both delete ?
1121219324 M * Bertl yep
1121219329 M * tanjix done
1121219344 M * Bertl do you use/have software raid/mirror?
1121219354 M * Bertl lvm/lvm2/evms?
1121219365 M * tanjix raid: no, lvm: yes
1121219385 M * Bertl okay, so MD can go ...
1121219397 M * tanjix CONFIG_MD=y --> delete ?
1121219399 M * Bertl but you want DM enabled
1121219417 M * Bertl just remove it for now, it will be asked later
1121219431 M * tanjix i deleted that line
1121219457 M * Bertl Firewire?
1121219462 M * tanjix no
1121219474 M * Bertl you know what to do by now, I guess :)
1121219481 M * tanjix CONFIG_IEEE1394=y
1121219485 M * tanjix delete :)
1121219518 M * tanjix there is CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO=y
1121219522 M * tanjix what about that
1121219544 M * Bertl will be removed automatically
1121219546 M * Bertl #
1121219546 M * Bertl CONFIG_SOUND=y
1121219551 M * Bertl playing music?
1121219556 M * tanjix lol, no :)
1121219565 M * tanjix i deleted that
1121219571 M * Bertl what about usb?
1121219585 M * tanjix wait, what about:
1121219586 M * tanjix #
1121219586 M * tanjix # Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
1121219586 M * tanjix #
1121219590 M * tanjix and the stuff below
1121219594 M * Bertl will go automatically
1121219596 M * tanjix ok
1121219598 M * tanjix usb: no
1121219603 M * Bertl #
1121219604 M * Bertl CONFIG_USB=y
1121219612 Q * _ag_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1121219616 J * gin_lit ~gin@gw-swsoft.ll-nsk.zsttk.ru
1121219619 M * tanjix deleted
1121219622 M * Bertl welcome gin_lit!
1121219645 M * Bertl tanjix: do you use dos/vfat?
1121219685 M * gin_lit Bertl: hello :)
1121219749 M * Bertl tanjix: and the last two to go (unless you remove dos/vfat too)
1121219750 M * Bertl CONFIG_X86_SMP=y
1121219750 M * Bertl CONFIG_X86_HT=y
1121219804 M * tanjix removed
1121219823 M * Bertl now make a copy of the 'new' .config
1121219833 M * Bertl and do 'make oldconfig'
1121219846 M * Bertl it will ask you all that 'removed' stuff again, and 
1121219856 M * Bertl you answer the questions accordingly
1121219869 M * tanjix those that i get withg standard ?
1121219875 M * Bertl (i.e. 'n' for the stuff you don't need, 'y' for the stuff you need)
1121219896 M * tanjix so i shoud select no for everything ?
1121219905 M * tanjix because we only removed thing`s ?
1121219909 M * Bertl almost everything, IIRC, you want the device mapper
1121219912 M * Bertl (for lvm)
1121219956 M * tanjix do i have to activate that ?
1121219983 M * Bertl well, lvm won't work without it ... so yes
1121220035 M * tanjix hm i'm not sure qhat to do now
1121220042 M * tanjix Preemptible Kernel (PREEMPT) [N/y/?] (NEW)
1121220062 M * Bertl 'N' is the default, you want 'N' so either enter or 'n'
1121220085 M * tanjix Sleep States (EXPERIMENTAL) (ACPI_SLEEP) [Y/n/?] (NEW)
1121220102 M * Bertl everything except device mapper, is no :)
1121220104 M * tanjix we said no acpi, so n ?
1121220107 M * tanjix ok
1121220154 M * tanjix Multiple devices driver support (RAID and LVM) (MD) [N/y/?] (NEW)
1121220157 M * tanjix ist that the one ?
1121220164 M * Bertl yes, we need that
1121220178 M * tanjix RAID support (BLK_DEV_MD) [N/m/y/?] (NEW) --> No ?
1121220219 J * _ag_ ag@caladan.roxor.cx
1121220240 M * Bertl welcome _ag_!
1121220246 M * Bertl tanjix: right!
1121220271 M * tanjix device mapper support: yes ? :)
1121220325 M * Bertl right again!
1121220339 M * tanjix crypt target support ?
1121220411 M * Bertl do you need it?
1121220460 M * tanjix no, understood it :) in fact i can say no to everything now ?
1121220468 M * tanjix because device mapper support already came ?
1121220488 M * tanjix however, i finished :)
1121220518 M * Bertl excellent ... now let's do 'make'
1121220530 M * tanjix no patch for vserver etc ?
1121220542 M * Bertl not yet
1121220550 M * tanjix ok .. make is going
1121220557 M * tanjix may take a time ?
1121220577 M * Bertl a little, but not too long as we removed the unwanted stuff
1121220588 M * tanjix ok
1121220605 M * Bertl I'd say 15 minutes at max
1121220627 M * Bertl s/max/most/
1121220852 M * tanjix finished
1121220895 M * Bertl see, now let's try it ...
1121220905 M * Bertl are you using lilo or grub?
1121220908 M * tanjix lilo
1121220966 M * Bertl okay, try: 'make deb-pkg'
1121220974 M * Bertl I learned that one recently
1121220979 M * tanjix done
1121220991 M * Bertl okay, install the package
1121221008 M * tanjix done
1121221015 M * Bertl then configure lilo so that it 'could' boot the kernel, but dont make it the default kernel
1121221046 A * Aiken takes notice and tries make rpm
1121221058 M * Bertl 'make rpm-pkg'
1121221087 M * Aiken I'll try that when it finishes, make rpm is doing something
1121221105 M * Bertl yes, it is listed too
1121221112 M * Bertl probably the same
1121221143 M * tanjix i think i reconfigured lilo correctly
1121221171 M * Bertl now run 'lilo -R <newkernel>'
1121221181 M * Bertl whatever name you gave the new one
1121221205 M * tanjix the new kernel does not have an initrd image ?
1121221206 M * Bertl ah, did you add panic=30 or something like that to your append line?
1121221222 M * Bertl that's fine, we don't want an initrd ...
1121221239 M * tanjix ok i only edited the symlink for /vmlinuz.old
1121221248 M * tanjix to the new kernel in /boot
1121221281 M * tanjix i am able to boot that kernel at startup because i get a prompt for 10 seconda
1121221283 M * tanjix seconds
1121221291 M * Bertl okay, even better ...
1121221295 M * Bertl then go ahead, try it
1121221491 M * tanjix server boots without problems
1121221509 M * tanjix master:~# uname -r
1121221509 M * tanjix 2.6.12.2
1121221514 M * Bertl excellent!
1121221528 M * Bertl now get the following patches:
1121221564 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6.diff.bz2
1121221582 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-2.0/delta-sysctl-fix01.diff
1121221589 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-2.0/delta-percpu-fix01.diff
1121221600 M * Bertl then back to /usr/src we do:
1121221617 M * Bertl cp -la linux-2.6.12.2 linux-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6
1121221623 M * Bertl cd linux-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6
1121221635 M * Bertl bzcat ../patch-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6.diff.bz2 | patch -p1
1121221643 M * Bertl (or wherever you put that patch)
1121221681 M * tanjix please wait
1121221688 M * tanjix there is a problem with the new kernel
1121221694 M * tanjix dms mode cannot be activated
1121221696 M * tanjix dma
1121221706 M * Bertl for the chipset?
1121221721 M * tanjix wanted to activated it for hda because the machine got very slow
1121221741 M * Bertl maybe the chipset is not selected in the current config
1121221782 M * tanjix can we do that now? (patch applied btw)
1121221803 M * Bertl yes, we can do that 'on the way'
1121221809 M * tanjix ok
1121221810 M * Bertl cd ..
1121221825 M * Bertl cp -la linux-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6 linux-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6.1
1121221834 M * Bertl cd linux-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6.1
1121221843 M * Bertl patch -p1 <../delta-sysctl-fix01.diff
1121221851 M * Bertl patch -p1 <../delta-percpu-fix01.diff
1121221853 M * Bertl cd ..
1121221864 M * Bertl cp -la linux-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6.1 linux-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6.1-X1
1121221868 M * Bertl cd linux-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6.1-X1
1121221881 M * Bertl cp ../linux-2.6.12.2-X1/.config .
1121221927 M * tanjix done
1121221945 M * Bertl make oldconfig
1121221957 M * Bertl (now select the vserver options properly)
1121221966 M * tanjix sorry ?
1121221980 M * tanjix it asks me now: Timer Frequency (100-10000) (KERNEL_HZ) [1000] (NEW)
1121221983 M * Bertl the oldconfig will ask you about linux-vserver stuff
1121222005 M * Bertl if you don't know the answer or don't have a preference, jsut use the default
1121222028 M * tanjix Memory Split User Space
1121222028 M * tanjix > 1. 3.0GB/1.0GB Kernel (Default) (SPLIT_3GB) (NEW)
1121222028 M * tanjix   2. 2.5GB/1.5GB Kernel (SPLIT_25GB) (NEW)
1121222028 M * tanjix   3. 2.0GB/2.0GB Kernel (SPLIT_2GB) (NEW)
1121222028 M * tanjix   4. 1.5GB/2.5GB Kernel (SPLIT_15GB) (NEW)
1121222029 M * tanjix   5. 1.0GB/3.0GB Kernel (SPLIT_1GB) (NEW)
1121222029 M * tanjix choice[1-5?]:
1121222042 M * tanjix take default 1 ?
1121222064 M * Bertl you probably want 5 there
1121222080 M * tanjix Virtual Root device support (BLK_DEV_VROOT) [N/m/y/?] (NEW)
1121222106 M * Bertl make it a module, won't hurt
1121222118 M * tanjix Enable Legacy Kernel API (VSERVER_LEGACY) [Y/n/?] (NEW)
1121222151 M * tanjix sorry for asking all that but i dont know what makes sense
1121222187 M * Bertl defaults are fine
1121222204 M * tanjix Enable Hard CPU Limits (VSERVER_HARDCPU) [N/y/?] (NEW)
1121222206 M * tanjix what's that ?
1121222219 M * Bertl press '?' to get more info
1121222245 M * tanjix do i understand that right that i can limit a vserver not to user more than x cou usage ?
1121222252 M * Bertl yep
1121222256 M * tanjix nice
1121222278 M * tanjix is IDLE task usefuk ?
1121222282 M * tanjix useful
1121222288 M * Bertl '?'
1121222298 M * tanjix yes i read that but dont understand it
1121222320 M * Bertl well, folks tend to test the hard scheduler by running top
1121222345 M * Bertl the problem is, if there is just one 'test' running, then the idle time might be too long
1121222366 M * tanjix i will choose NO
1121222371 M * Bertl resulting in varying values if your time interval is too short
1121222380 M * tanjix ersistent Inode Context Tagging
1121222380 M * tanjix   1. Disabled (INOXID_NONE) (NEW)
1121222380 M * tanjix   2. UID16/GID32 (INOXID_UID16) (NEW)
1121222380 M * tanjix   3. UID32/GID16 (INOXID_GID16) (NEW)
1121222380 M * tanjix > 4. UID24/GID24 (INOXID_UGID24) (NEW)
1121222381 M * tanjix   5. UID32/GID32 (INOXID_INTERN) (NEW)
1121222381 M * tanjix   6. Runtime (INOXID_RUNTIME) (NEW)
1121222383 M * tanjix choice[1-6?]:
1121222388 J * Doener ~doener@p54877F5D.dip.t-dialin.net
1121222395 M * Bertl tanjix: I know the options, really :)
1121222413 M * Bertl morning Doener!
1121222427 M * tanjix and what shall i choose :)
1121222438 M * Bertl if you don't know, take the default :)
1121222498 M * tanjix finished
1121222520 M * Bertl now, use 'make menuconfig' to verify your chipset settings
1121222562 M * Bertl btw, did you get any message telling you 'why' the dma is disabled?
1121222566 M * Bertl (check with dmesg)
1121222600 M * tanjix /dev/hda:
1121222600 M * tanjix  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
1121222600 M * tanjix  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
1121222619 M * tanjix maybe that helps:
1121222620 M * tanjix NFORCE2: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:09.0
1121222620 M * tanjix NFORCE2: chipset revision 162
1121222620 M * tanjix NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
1121222620 M * tanjix NFORCE2: BIOS didn't set cable bits correctly. Enabling workaround.
1121222621 M * tanjix NFORCE2: 0000:00:09.0 (rev a2) UDMA133 controller
1121222621 M * tanjix NFORCE2: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0
1121222623 M * tanjix NFORCE2: port 0x0170 already claimed by ide1
1121222623 M * tanjix NFORCE2: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS)
1121222663 M * Bertl hmm, you might consider a BIOS upgrade or reconfiguration
1121222679 M * tanjix i'll check that on the next reboot
1121222695 M * tanjix but with the debian plain kernel dma worked fine
1121222713 M * Bertl well, maybe they patched something ...
1121222730 M * Bertl IIRC, the nforce chipset gave a lot of trouble some time ago
1121222746 M * tanjix i'll check the bios with the next reboot
1121222775 M * tanjix how to gon on with the kernel staff ?
1121222810 M * Bertl as before, 'make' and then 'make deb-pkg'
1121222889 M * tanjix take some minutes
1121222894 M * tanjix s/take/takes
1121223204 M * tanjix finished
1121223218 M * tanjix and then installing the deb package ?
1121223222 M * Bertl okay, same procedure as before
1121223274 M * tanjix done... rebooting now
1121223332 M * tanjix reboot successful
1121223365 M * tanjix master:~# uname -r
1121223365 M * tanjix 2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6
1121223661 M * gin_lit Bertl: are you here?
1121223681 M * Bertl no, I'm hiding ... :)
1121223757 M * tanjix how to go on ?
1121223760 M * tanjix :)
1121223767 M * Bertl tanjix: you're done ...
1121223771 M * gin_lit :)
1121223782 M * tanjix no vserver software or s.t.h else ?
1121223793 M * gin_lit did you see project http://invaders.mars-attacks.org/~boklm/copyfs/ ?
1121223799 M * Bertl tanjix: well, the same as usual
1121223808 M * gin_lit it is some kind of COW filesystem :)
1121223821 M * tanjix Bertl: don't know what i used, its looooong time ago :)
1121223861 M * Bertl IIRC, a version is even in sarge ...
1121223879 M * tanjix jsut apt-get install vserver ?
1121223885 M * Bertl try to start with that, and finally look into util-vserver 0.30.207
1121223919 M * Bertl gin_lit: yes, that's a COW filesystem
1121223954 M * tanjix installing vserver from apt brought an error
1121223962 M * Bertl gin_lit: but, you don't want to use a FUSE filesystem in production, trust me ...
1121223966 M * tanjix Richte util-vserver ein (0.30.204-5sarge2) ...
1121223966 M * tanjix /var/lib/vservers: Function not implemented
1121223973 M * gin_lit yes, I think so
1121224000 M * gin_lit is it possible to migrate this project from FUSE?
1121224013 M * Bertl but I updated the COW patch for linux-vserver ...
1121224049 M * gin_lit it sounds good :)
1121224062 M * Bertl it might be possible to reimplement such a filesystem without fuse
1121224081 M * Bertl the it's not so much the implementation than the semantics which usually give issues
1121224170 M * gin_lit it would be great 
1121224190 M * tanjix bertl: do you have url or s.th. with latest _working_ vserver stuff that works fine with the new kernel ?
1121224199 M * gin_lit where I can find COW patch for vserver?
1121224232 M * Bertl tanjix: you can find everything linked on the mainpage (linux-vserver.org) even the Donations page *hint*
1121224304 M * Bertl http://www.13thfloor.at/~ensc/util-vserver/files/alpha/
1121224313 M * Bertl (copy of the latest and greatest tools)
1121224326 M * Bertl gin_lit: I have to upload it ... sec
1121224332 M * tanjix 0.30.207
1121224396 M * tanjix is ./configure the best wa or some paramters behind that ?
1121224425 M * Bertl depends on where you want the files/tools to go
1121224443 M * tanjix there, where they are found within PATH
1121224451 M * Bertl check the pathes after ./configure ...
1121224467 M * Bertl (they are listed)
1121224491 M * tanjix configure: error:
1121224491 M * tanjix Can not find the 'vconfig' tool within '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin'.
1121224491 M * tanjix See http://www.candelatech.com/~greear/vlan.html; usually this tool is shipped in the 'vconfig' or 'vlan' package of your distribution
1121224520 M * Bertl apt-get install 'vconfig' or 'vlan' ?
1121224546 M * tanjix done, new error after configure
1121224569 M * tanjix http://pastebin.com/312308
1121224590 M * Bertl tanjix: could you read it please?!
1121224615 M * tanjix i *have* read it ??
1121224632 M * Bertl e2fslibs-dev is installed?
1121224648 M * tanjix after i have read it again it is installed, sorry for that
1121224660 M * tanjix i know got your mentioned path listing
1121224726 M * tanjix prefix = usr/local - i dont want toi have a prefix so that configs are under /etc/vservers/ and not under /usr/local/etc/vservers
1121224735 M * Bertl gin_lit: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6-cow3.1.diff
1121224744 M * Bertl (compile tested but nothing else yet)
1121224769 M * Bertl gin_lit: it's also not restricted to immutable unlink files to simplify testing
1121224787 M * Bertl it basically allows to 'write' to hardlinked files, breaking the link
1121224797 M * Bertl (if it works :)
1121224808 M * tanjix ./configure --prefix=PREFIX - ist it correct when i do ./configure --prefix=/ ?
1121224823 M * Bertl try it, the pathes will be listed again :)
1121224861 M * tanjix seems to be ok
1121224883 M * gin_lit Bertl: thank you :) I will try it soon
1121224889 M * Aiken Bertl question about the cow patch, is it a cow against an image or a cow against the host?
1121224907 M * Bertl Aiken: neither nor, it's mad-COW
1121224923 M * Bertl moo .. hehe .. moo (not my idea :)
1121224948 M * Bertl i.e. it will simply break up hard links
1121224949 M * Aiken I think I'll leave that one alone
1121224976 M * Bertl so it's the 'optimal' solution for unified guests
1121224978 M * Aiken ok, so q guest made with hardlinks and the cow patch allows the guest to modify the files
1121224993 M * Bertl yes, that's the idea behind it ...
1121225007 M * Bertl atm, the unified files allow removal but not change
1121225014 M * tanjix Bertl: is 'newvserver' not included any more?
1121225026 M * Bertl newvserver was never included
1121225051 M * tanjix the old tools i had had newvserver
1121225053 M * Bertl but IIRC, debian has some special tools (deb_newvserver or so)
1121225078 M * Bertl and feel free to use the old tools, they work quite well with the new kernel
1121225091 M * Bertl (only new features are not supported)
1121225112 M * tanjix how do i setup a new vserver with the new tools i have ?
1121225125 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1121225139 M * Bertl vserver creation has a few examples
1121225180 M * tanjix thx, last question i hope: what ca in delete from /usr/src to free some disk space ?
1121225313 M * Bertl the old -X1 dir (everything else should not use up space)
1121225327 M * Bertl well, at least not more as your current kernel)
1121225358 M * tanjix the complete src directory has 500mb
1121225382 M * Bertl which is the amount a built kernel takes ...
1121225431 M * tanjix are the sources neccessary yet ?
1121225455 M * Bertl no, but if you want to change something, they are very helpful
1121225507 M * Bertl in any case you should 'know' how to 'rebuild' them except for the .config which you'd better save somewhere
1121225545 M * tanjix i would save them to another location to have them if needed - but in the image itself they only take space and slow down rsyncing the image to new servers
1121225547 M * tanjix :)
1121225629 M * Bertl gin_lit, Aiken: let me know if you encounter any issues with the cow patch ...
1121225648 M * Bertl I'm off for tonight ... need to get some rest!
1121225667 M * Bertl have a nice one everyone ... cya later ...
1121225670 M * Aiken will be later, getting an antenna working on 419kHz is more important  :)
1121225677 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1121225701 M * tanjix gn8 bertl, thanks for all
1121225797 M * gin_lit Bertl_zZ: I will try to plain some another variant of COW filesystem
1121225808 M * gin_lit and let you know about it
1121225832 M * Aiken what about something like unionfs?
1121225866 M * gin_lit what is unionfs?
1121225931 M * Bertl_zZ ah, I forgot ... http://vserver.13thfloor.at/TBVFS/
1121225938 M * Bertl_zZ now really off to bed ...
1121225999 M * gin_lit oh
1121226003 M * Aiken I think it is http://www.unionfs.org/
1121226036 M * Aiken one of things it can do is create a cow of a filesystem
1121226084 M * Aiken I have used it to make a cow of / so I could try something with out stuffing up /
1121226353 M * gin_lit hm...
1121226413 Q * pusling Read error: Connection reset by peer
1121226464 M * Aiken make a std vserver image then use unionfs to make a cow for each guest
1121226547 M * Aiken unionfs is a kernel module
1121226554 M * gin_lit :)
1121226724 M * Aiken less hd than what I do now, I have a master image I made, then just untar it every time I want a new guest
1121226761 M * gin_lit :)
1121226782 M * gin_lit it is need to test :)
1121227857 Q * tanjix Quit: 
1121228500 Q * jkl_ Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.
1121231400 M * locksy what is the difference between chcontext-compat and chcontext?
1121231487 M * locksy I get 'chcontext: vc_new_s_context(): Function not implemented' when I try to start and/or enter a vserver,  but if I force the use of chcontext instead of chcontext-compat I can start the vserver fine, but I still can't enter it.
1121231508 M * locksy I get a difference error: vcontext: vc_ctx_migrate(): No such process
1121231553 J * anonymousc ~anonymous@staff.internode.com.au
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1121237559 J * DaemonDazz ~darryl@87.dhcp.pineview.net
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1121237668 J * _Blogmeister ~chatzilla@site.lycos.de
1121237919 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124
1121237958 N * _Blogmeister blogmeister
1121238033 M * DaemonDazz what time does bertl usually get in?
1121238094 M * DaPhreak DaemonDazz: around 12-16 CEST
1121238106 M * DaemonDazz which is what in gmt?
1121238217 M * DaPhreak -2 hours for gmt
1121238231 M * DaemonDazz cool thanks
1121238426 Q * blogmeister Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.8/20050511]
1121238601 J * Blogmeister ~Blogmeist@site.lycos.de
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1121240754 J * comdata ~mertins@gateway.scheller.de
1121241195 M * comdata moin
1121241243 M * comdata maybe someone can explain me why some heavy processes like compiling glibc inside a vserver stuck
1121241457 M * maharaja did you try strace?
1121241478 M * maharaja strace -ff -p make (or similar, please take a look at man strace)
1121242725 M * comdata no I didn't. currently it's compiling, but it's very sporadic
1121242744 M * comdata so will see when it stops next time
1121243202 M * comdata so now it hangs doing some "sh" commands for over 3 minutes
1121243233 M * comdata will install strace now a see what it is
1121243304 M * comdata so now I am waiting
1121243810 M * maharaja k
1121243812 M * maharaja im taking a quick shower
1121244741 J * beichti ~beichti@p54AC82EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
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1121246046 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com
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1121246711 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70
1121247102 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com
1121247127 P * jsambrook 
1121248156 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1121249827 M * beichti Hello , my V-server is runnig fin, can me tell someone how to list the traffic from one v-server ?
1121249863 M * maharaja i think thats currently not possible
1121249871 M * renihs beichti, i guess u will have to do something with iptables
1121249871 M * beichti :-(
1121249880 M * renihs fringle a custom ruleset :)
1121249898 M * beichti ah ok .. 
1121249936 M * beichti i have thing, i can write it with cakti or so .. 
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1121252889 J * blogmeister ~chatzilla@site.lycos.de
1121254610 M * BWare beichti: if you can teach net-snmp to use ip accounting and run an snmpd on the host, you can ;)
1121254652 M * renihs BWare, cisco ipacct? or which one u mean?
1121254666 M * BWare ipac-ng for expample
1121254682 M * renihs ah nice
1121254687 M * renihs good to know, thx
1121254691 M * BWare yw
1121255382 Q * blogmeister Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1121255529 M * daniel_hozac FYI: ipac-ng breaks horribly with iptables 1.3.0 ;)
1121255537 M * BWare :)
1121255605 M * renihs also good to know...
1121255663 M * renihs i am still on 1.2.11 but hmm
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1121258033 J * blogmeister ~chatzilla@site.lycos.de
1121258266 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176
1121258727 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.77
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1121261090 J * Blogmeister ~Blogmeist@site.lycos.de
1121261103 J * DuckMaster ~duckx@195.75.27.158
1121261108 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1121261117 M * Bertl morning folks!
1121261166 M * Bertl greetings Blogmeister!
1121261176 M * Blogmeister hi bertl ;-)
1121261192 M * Blogmeister nice to meet you first time here...
1121261205 M * Bertl the pleasure is mine!
1121261222 M * Bertl just got up a few minutes ago ... :)
1121261240 M * Blogmeister hehe, that sounds better than to me
1121261257 M * Blogmeister thanks for your mail reply
1121261283 M * Bertl np, mail always gets answered ...
1121261313 M * Blogmeister I would be happy to meet you in real world, do you think we can arrange this in short term ?
1121261362 M * Bertl hmm, probably, the main question is when and where ...
1121261382 M * Bertl well, you can always drop by for example :)
1121261393 M * Hollow morning Bertl
1121261399 M * Bertl hey Hollow!
1121261456 M * Blogmeister next week: at our location ?
1121261485 M * Hollow Bertl: i'm just trying to make your syscall wrapper ISO C99 friendly... kinda borked
1121261519 M * Bertl Blogmeister: where our location would exactly be?
1121261531 M * Bertl Hollow: hmm, details?
1121261547 M * Blogmeister germany, gütersloh
1121261556 M * Hollow Bertl: first one: http://home.xnull.de/misc/vserver-syscall-iso_c-fix.patch
1121261616 M * Hollow i'm just trying to figure out why _syscall3() gives me "ISO C99 requires rest arguments to be used"
1121261626 A * Bertl is trying to figure where gütersloh is ...
1121261801 M * Blogmeister "well, you can always drop by for example" -> where is your location ?
1121261803 M * Hollow when 2.0 is out i'll head for vienna with some beer to celebrate ;)
1121261840 M * Bertl Blogmeister: vicinity of Vienna, Austria
1121261902 M * Bertl that's a 920 km, not too shabby! (if map24 is correct=
1121261918 M * Blogmeister it is ;-)
1121261928 M * Hollow i'm still a bit closer ;)
1121261957 M * Hollow and, btw: i wrote my last exam today... yay! the term is over :)
1121261965 M * Bertl Hollow: congrats!
1121261983 M * Hollow time to concentrate on the important things ;)
1121262019 M * Bertl Hollow: hmm, well, yes those are C99 issues, but not gcc issues, do you really intent to compile it with non gcc compilers?
1121262042 M * Bertl I mean, I'd be more worried about the inline assembler then :)
1121262083 M * Hollow hm... i just thought it would be a good idea to make it C99 compatible.. but i don't think this source will see other compilers than gcc ;)
1121262121 M * Bertl Blogmeister: well, I guess short term won't work here, would take me 2-3days by car (both directions)
1121262149 M * Hollow Bertl: btw: did you look at the libvserver code already?
1121262182 M * Bertl Hollow: reg C99: well, for sure it won't hurt ...
1121262201 M * Bertl Hollow: reg libvserver: no, unfortunately not, have to do that pretty soon ...
1121262211 A * Hollow nods ;)
1121262224 M * Hollow 0.2 will be out soon
1121262236 J * blogmeister_ ~chatzilla@site.lycos.de
1121262258 M * Bertl Hollow: do you have it online somewhere (so that I can view it with a browser?)
1121262275 M * Hollow Bertl: http://dev.croup.de/proj/libvserver/browser/
1121262280 M * Bertl wb blogmeister_!
1121262286 M * Blogmeister Bertl, I would suggest I give you a call later the day. OK ?
1121262305 M * Bertl yeah, is fine ... you already called this morning, right?
1121262311 M * Blogmeister We will find a solution which is faster than 2-3 days ;-) what's about a plane ;-)
1121262320 M * Blogmeister jepp
1121262331 M * Bertl hmm, sounds good/faster to me ... 
1121262354 M * Blogmeister fine - cu later THX
1121262360 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1121262404 M * Bertl Hollow: hmm, first question: do you/we need linux/vserver ?
1121262464 M * Hollow ehm.. wher should we get the VCMD from elsewhere?
1121262486 M * Bertl no, I meant, why linux/vserver not just vserver (for the includes)
1121262515 M * Bertl http://dev.croup.de/proj/libvserver/file/trunk/lib/context.c?rev=55&format=txt
1121262529 M * Bertl as example vx_get_info()
1121262558 M * Bertl you are imposing policy here (with the check) which might and often _will_ change the return code
1121262564 M * Hollow we could handle them in vserver/ as well, but it's easier with automake to put them in the right basedir
1121262582 M * Bertl IMHO for a library it isn't good (see glibc) to change the kernel replies :)
1121262642 M * Hollow change which return code?
1121262647 M * Hollow of the syscall?
1121262650 M * Bertl also if the vserver command returns something different than -1, it might be quite fine and no error at all (see < 0 check)
1121262695 M * Bertl if (!info) {
1121262721 M * Bertl     errno = EFAULT;
1121262729 M * Bertl     r
1121262740 M * Bertl *return -1
1121262773 M * Medivh hi
1121262804 M * Hollow Bertl: sorry, i can't follow
1121262825 M * Bertl okay, look, once again, the 'library' wraps syscalls, no?
1121262830 M * Hollow yep
1121262846 M * Medivh got another problem here, debian vserver... however, /dev/hdv1 (/) isn't shown in df output, /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab look correct, any clues?
1121262856 M * Bertl let's assume the kernel returns -EINVAL if you pass an empty struct
1121262889 M * Bertl Medivh: what does strace say about the df ?
1121262964 M * Bertl Hollow: now your 'wrapper' returns EFAULT ...
1121262977 M * Bertl that's something very confusing, no?
1121262983 M * Hollow yep... tbh, this is just c&p from current alpha utils
1121263019 M * Medivh Bertl, just found it myself... colleague made a mistake, space_total was set to 0
1121263039 M * Bertl Hollow: and the < 0 check for the return code is bogus in many cases too
1121263053 M * Hollow Bertl: ok, so what is the syscall supposed to return?
1121263060 M * Hollow only -1 is error?
1121263066 M * Bertl contrary to common belief, a syscall can return any value
1121263099 M * Hollow any=any or any=any int?
1121263101 M * Bertl only that an arbitrary 'definition', says that 'certain' negative values are error codes
1121263134 M * Bertl but, and that's the important thing, those cases _are_ handled by the vserver syscall wrapper
1121263147 M * Bertl (because they are arch specific)
1121263199 M * Hollow Bertl: ok.. gtg now, we'll talk later..
1121263203 P * erwan_taf Leaving
1121263205 M * Bertl okay, np :)
1121263217 M * Hollow again the babes issue ;)
1121263249 M * Bertl well, i.c. ...
1121263411 M * Bertl okay, off for now too, back later ...
1121263417 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1121264199 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70
1121264771 P * Blogmeister 
1121265101 J * TIBS011 ~stevie@80-193-4-57.cable.ubr05.gill.blueyonder.co.uk
1121265103 M * TIBS011 ello
1121265107 M * TIBS011 anyone good with linux
1121265111 M * TIBS011 mandrake ?
1121265113 N * TIBS011 TIBS01
1121265148 M * TIBS01 [root@shell root]# urpmi
1121265148 M * TIBS01 -bash: /usr/sbin/urpmi: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
1121265148 M * TIBS01 [root@shell root]#
1121265152 M * TIBS01 how do i fix that :/
1121265157 M * renihs dude, u are in the wrong chan...
1121265157 M * TheSeer apt-get install perl
1121265159 M * TheSeer *eg*
1121265172 M * TIBS01 [root@shell root]# apt-get install perl
1121265172 M * TIBS01 -bash: apt-get: command not found
1121265172 M * TIBS01 [root@shell root]#
1121265177 M * TIBS01 :|
1121265178 M * TheSeer to bad.. ,>
1121265194 M * TheSeer you don't have perl installed (however you managed to do THAT..)
1121265201 M * renihs :)
1121265205 M * TIBS01 thats cos 
1121265209 M * TheSeer what?
1121265211 M * TIBS01 someone was running an exploit n i deleted it
1121265217 M * TIBS01 n it took perl with it
1121265219 M * renihs ...
1121265231 M * TheSeer whatever.. this is defintily the wrong place for you to be
1121265249 M * TIBS01 erm
1121265253 M * TIBS01 how do i install perl then
1121265261 M * TheSeer #perl?
1121265288 M * TIBS01 im in there
1121265290 M * TIBS01 its dead
1121265293 M * TheSeer so?
1121265302 M * TIBS01 so how can i get help if its dead ?
1121265329 M * TheSeer so if you have a headache you go to a bakery, if the doc's closed?
1121265333 M * renihs call mandrake support 
1121265342 M * TIBS01 mmmm
1121265351 M * TIBS01 !google perl download
1121265355 M * TIBS01 no google bot
1121265356 M * TIBS01 too bad
1121265368 M * TheSeer .oO( .... )
1121265376 M * renihs i am getting the feeling i am talking to a bot :)
1121265384 M * renihs listening i mean :)
1121265451 M * TIBS01 0oi0o
1121265453 M * TIBS01 downloading perl
1121266159 M * TIBS01 anyone know any programs i can use to remove exploits
1121266201 M * TheSeer rm -rf /
1121266208 M * TIBS01 oh yer
1121266213 M * TheSeer seriously
1121266217 M * TIBS01 bollox
1121266220 M * renihs rkhunter, chkrootkit, ask google
1121266224 M * TheSeer reinstalling from a backup is faster and more secure
1121266228 M * renihs yah
1121266246 M * TheSeer there is basically NO way to verify a system is clean unless you md5-check *every* file
1121266275 M * TheSeer having booted from a garanteed-clean medium to begin with
1121266478 M * TIBS01 aint picked nothing up
1121266851 Q * renihs Remote host closed the connection
1121266912 M * TIBS01 ootkit Hunter 1.2.7 is running
1121266912 M * TIBS01 Determining OS... cat: /usr/local/rkhunter/db/os.dat: No such file or directory
1121266912 M * TIBS01 Unknown
1121266912 M * TIBS01 Warning: This operating system is not fully supported!
1121266912 M * TIBS01 Warning: Cannot find md5_not_known
1121266914 M * TIBS01 All MD5 checks will be skipped!
1121266914 M * TIBS01 Fatal error: file /usr/local/rkhunter/db/md5blacklist.dat doesn't exists. Please check your paths and/or parameters.
1121266916 M * TIBS01 mmm :|
1121267381 M * TheSeer just reinstall
1121267436 M * TheSeer believe it or not, there is no way to securely recover a system after an attack without  having a secure md5 db created up front
1121267453 M * BWare :)
1121268253 J * hallyn ~hallyn@pixpat.austin.ibm.com
1121268797 Q * blogmeister_ Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.8/20050511]
1121270804 M * TIBS01 :|
1121270807 M * TIBS01 fuck knows 
1121270814 M * TIBS01 TheSeer u wanna have alook at me system
1121270817 M * TIBS01 :/
1121270826 M * TIBS01 see if theres anything u can sort out
1121270829 M * TheSeer why should i?
1121270835 M * TIBS01 ok dont
1121270838 M * TIBS01 was just asking 
1121270843 M * TheSeer i already told you what to do
1121270848 M * TIBS01 i scanned it
1121270852 M * TheSeer having a closer look at it won't fix it
1121270855 M * TIBS01 nothings picked up
1121270856 M * TheSeer or change it
1121270910 M * TIBS01 i give up
1121270911 M * TIBS01 l8r
1121270914 Q * TIBS01 Quit: (I was using Polaris SE) Version: 3.0. Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/Polaris_SE/. Wasted: 1 Hour 37 Minutes and 18 Seconds Online.
1121272939 N * hallyn hallyn_out
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1121282325 J * Apollo ~Apollo@caracal.norcomcable.ca
1121282727 P * Apollo 
1121282850 J * Laibasch ~leggewie@G0963.g.pppool.de
1121282999 M * Laibasch Hi, I have a question that is only remotely relevant to vserver itself. I hope you do not mind.  I am trying to debianize a kernel package and since the vserver project has debianized patches available I was wondering if somebody from this channel can point me in the right direction for documentation on how to achieve such a task.
1121283034 N * Laibasch Laibsch
1121283117 M * Laibsch Actually, I have of course looked myself here and there but have found nothing but information on how to create $package.kpatches.
1121283161 M * MooingLemur anyone know of the easiest way to watch a vserver go through its init?  I have one that's in a constant fast reboot cycle and I don't know why.
1121283171 M * Laibsch That seems to be insufficient since but the rest of it appears to be undocumented.  If anybody can give me  a hint, I'd appreciate it.
1121283213 M * MooingLemur (I have no debian experience to speak of, so I can't help there, sorry)
1121283280 M * Laibsch MooingLemur: Thanks for getting back anyway.  I have not much experience with vservers unfortunately, though they seem to be a very interesting concept.  So, I am afraid I can't help you either. :-(
1121283713 M * MooingLemur I think I've found my problem.  the guest had the gentoo package baselayout instead of baselayout-vserver
1121285207 M * Hollow MooingLemur: indeed this is a problem
1121285991 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1121285999 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de
1121288880 M * maharaja Bertl: fyi - no crash till now
1121289006 J * jonsmel_zZ ~jscottorn@209.33.206.3
1121289017 N * jonsmel_zZ jonsmel
1121289239 J * yarihm ~yarihm@217-162-112-94.dclient.hispeed.ch
1121291207 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1121291672 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1121291806 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251
1121292411 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-204.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1121293922 Q * SNy Remote host closed the connection
1121294267 N * jonsmel jonsmel_zZ
1121294275 Q * jonsmel_zZ Quit: 
1121295058 M * brc bertl
1121295058 M * brc alive ?
1121297290 Q * Hunger oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * Aiken oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * eXplasm2 oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * duckx oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * mcp oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * eyck oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * xbing oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * baggins oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * Loki|muh oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * id oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * FaUl oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * Zoiah oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297290 Q * atsab oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297291 Q * romke oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297291 Q * BWare oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297291 Q * albeiro oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297291 Q * neofutur oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1121297509 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-204.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1121297509 J * eXplasm2 explasm@p549F7C5F.dip.t-dialin.net
1121297509 J * duckx ~Duck@mna75-1-81-57-39-234.fbx.proxad.net
1121297509 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1121297509 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1121297509 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
1121297509 J * romke ~romke@procyon.romke.net
1121297509 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt
1121297509 J * Zoiah Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net
1121297509 J * FaUl ~immo@ip88.164.1211G-CUD12K-01.ish.de
1121297509 J * id ~id@relax-media.softwarezentrum.de
1121297509 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1121297509 J * baggins baggins@kenny.mimuw.edu.pl
1121297509 J * neofutur ~neofutur@neofutur.net
1121297509 J * albeiro ~albeiro@albeiro.usercloak.oftc.net
1121297509 J * xbing ~nb@dsl081-044-121.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net
1121297509 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@levnor.hu
1121298116 Q * romke Quit: leaving
1121298504 Q * Laibsch Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/