1119658813 M * xbing pattieja: you can always try using strace to run the httpd - depending on your apache config you may have to use the -f option to follow forked children but if it's hanging on startup it should still be just the main process. strace may show you the system call apache is hanging on. but i agree it is most likely DNS. 1119660054 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-035.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1119661244 J * eXplasm2 explasm@p549F506D.dip.t-dialin.net 1119661683 Q * eXplasm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119661886 J * rs ~rs@imhotep.rhapsodyk.net 1119661933 N * Bertl_ICFP Bertl 1119661943 M * Bertl evening folks! how was your day? 1119661944 Q * eXplasm2 Remote host closed the connection 1119662357 M * Bertl ah, sounds good :) so I'm off to bed for today ... have fun! 1119662364 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1119670953 J * Doener` ~doener@p5487611D.dip.t-dialin.net 1119671390 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119673827 Q * Greek0 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119677023 Q * are|linuxtag Quit: bbl 1119685027 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176 1119685329 J * hiaslboy ~matthias@23.Red-83-52-229.pooles.rima-tde.net 1119688235 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1119688410 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-035.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1119689227 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1119689467 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-035.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1119689536 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl_ICFP 1119693302 J * id ~id@relax-media.softwarezentrum.de 1119694413 Q * sannes Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119694602 Q * id Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119695114 J * id ~id@relax-media.softwarezentrum.de 1119697552 Q * tchan Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119698116 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net 1119699125 J * eXplasm explasm@p549F506D.dip.t-dialin.net 1119699695 Q * eXplasm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119699718 J * sukria ~sukria@ACaen-152-1-46-153.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr 1119700360 J * romke ~romke@procyon.romke.net 1119700405 J * eXplasm explasm@p549F506D.dip.t-dialin.net 1119700500 Q * tchan Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119701067 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net 1119702026 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1119702041 Q * romke Quit: leaving 1119703045 J * knoppix_ ~knoppix@dsl-082-082-081-100.arcor-ip.net 1119703782 J * sannes ~ace@cm-84.118.217.070.chello.no 1119704508 J * Jani ~mail@G9e48.g.pppool.de 1119704509 M * Jani hi all 1119704652 M * Doener` hi Jani 1119704829 M * Jani Have anyone experience with limiting a vserver to a certain amount of RAM? 1119704852 M * Doener` you can limit vm, vml and rss 1119704906 M * Jani vm is , right? 1119705009 M * Doener` yep, but for a vserver you use vlimit ;) 1119705018 M * Doener` you can also set the limits in the configuration 1119705098 M * Jani Is there a way that shows me only the vserver relevant memory instead of all? 1119705309 M * Doener` don't think so 1119705523 M * Jani Is there a manual avaible for the command? 1119706071 M * Doener` nothing but --help i guess 1119706981 M * Jani Ok, thanks sofar :) 1119707154 M * skceb gday 1119707169 M * skceb when i exec the vprocunhide 1119707193 M * skceb script, i get "Can not find util-vserver installation (the file '/usr/lib/util-vserver/util-vserver-vars' would be expected); aborting..." . but i did the install.. 1119707220 M * skceb any reasons why make install might not have installed all files/scripts correctly? 1119711252 M * Doener` skceb: hm, did you reconfigure the tools between building and installing? 1119712200 M * skceb nope 1119712213 M * skceb i just followed the "tutorial" 1119713477 N * BobR_oO BobR 1119714222 M * micah skceb: did you read the rest of the mssage? 1119714240 M * micah it indicates how to solve the problem (either settnig the proc variable or editting sysctl.conf) 1119716067 N * BobR BobR_Tati 1119716109 N * BobR_Tati BobR 1119716667 N * BobR BobR_oO 1119716676 N * Bertl_ICFP Bertl_oO 1119718430 J * zhware moo@66.101.226.96 1119718482 M * zhware hi, want to use vserver on gentoo (both host and guest). want also NPTL (jackass). can i do this with vserver or need freevps? 1119718555 M * Eyck this has nothing to do with neither vserver nor freevps, 1119718570 M * Eyck this is generic kernel question, 1119718576 M * Eyck basically, yes. 1119718638 M * micah what is jackass? 1119718667 M * Eyck NPTL variant used by redhat ;) 1119718667 M * zhware micah: gentoo 2005.0 + nptl (community driven) 1119718689 M * zhware Eyck: from FreeVPS pages: 1.4. How does FreeVPS differ from Linux VServer Project? 1119718692 M * zhware FreeVPS extends the original Linux VServer functionality: 1119718694 M * zhware * Native POSIX Thread Library (NPTL) included; 1119718704 M * Eyck still, I see no connection. 1119718735 M * Eyck in the 'original vserver' times, there was no NPTL in stable kernels 1119718763 M * Eyck AFAIK, as far as functionality goes, vserver is now way ahead of freevps, 1119718782 M * Eyck howether they're great when it comes to polish, and GUI for admins ;) 1119718808 M * Eyck which probably means, if you've got money, go with freevps, 1119718820 M * zhware Eyck: so your opinion - vserver? is 2.6 stable enough for production use? 1119718841 M * micah zhware: and what does NPTL give you? 1119718951 M * zhware micah: think better performance, specially with jackass, where all packages (and glibc in particular) are compiled with nptl 1119719036 M * micah zhware: sorta like gentoo gets you better performance? 1119719365 M * albeiro hey zhware :) 1119719383 M * zhware hahahaha albeiro, cannot hide from you even here a ;) 1119719415 M * zhware sorry for accessing the channel during your time 1119719435 M * albeiro no problem i think we can coexist ;) 1119719443 M * albeiro there is no place t ohide from me ;p 1119719583 M * zhware k. bye for now - back to rtfm. my current task is to save some company money with virtualization - racks are expensive. 1119719593 M * zhware cya 1119719609 M * albeiro cya. i think you and your boss will love vserver :) 1119719740 M * zhware btw spme docs on rsba (capabilities, jailing etc.)c + vserver?? 1119719747 M * zhware rsbac even 1119719769 M * zhware hm, maybe will search rsbac ML 1119719787 M * albeiro there are not so for, not even patches. it will work, just find somebody with free time to do it 1119719801 M * albeiro i would, just make my day about 72h long 1119719862 A * albeiro dreams about rsbacfixed (taht one with pax) and vserver :) 1119720017 J * are|linuxtag ~are@dsl-084-056-159-152.arcor-ip.net 1119720049 M * zhware is it too bad idea to mount --bind almost the whole base system ( /bin , /usr /home ) and have only /var and /etc changable (for identical vservers farm - same services on all) 1119720147 M * albeiro looks good to me 1119720245 M * SiD3WiNDR it will break your packaging though 1119720256 M * SiD3WiNDR since that data is in /var, and it won't be in sync with the actual binaries 1119720262 M * SiD3WiNDR but I guess that's not much of a problem 1119720265 M * zhware albeiro: but will i need to chmod +it the whole shared tree to prevent binaries changes/replacement? 1119720304 M * albeiro hm, i think vserver has its own way to do it, look for unification 1119720305 M * zhware SiD3WiNDR: i can make only /opt for example uniq and install there mysql based and log files 1119720326 M * zhware albeiro: unification seems too redhated for me 1119720576 M * zhware we have one like this babe: http://www.systemworks.co.jp/pms_t824x.php3 and soon one more 1119720960 Q * are|linuxtag Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119721040 Q * DaCa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119721162 M * Doener` zhware: you might want bind mount extensions (bme) 1119721179 M * Doener` those allow bind mounts to be ro although the original mount is rw 1119721196 M * Doener` http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/BME/ 1119721460 M * albeiro yeah, indeed, forgot about that 1119721483 M * zhware Doener`: 10x. is there more info for this? ML archives? or "Use the source, Luke"? 1119721484 M * albeiro we were trying to get it into official kernel once ;) 1119721511 M * Doener` once? at least three times IIRC ;) 1119721528 M * albeiro might be, one time with me ;) 1119721550 M * Doener` zhware: it's basically just patching the kernel and then -o bind,ro magically starts to work as 'expected' 1119721553 M * zhware Doener`: or some short intro: patching mount so it will mount in special way? 1119721570 M * albeiro btw, i think that current state of bind mount is at least confusing if not worse 1119721572 M * Doener` don't know how well the patches apply to 2.6.12 though 1119721580 M * Doener` gtg, back later 1119721582 M * albeiro it should be considered as security _vulnerability_ 1119721583 N * Doener` Doener|busy 1119721599 M * zhware Doener`: hahaha, so you are from one school with the Harry Poter guy ;)? 1119721620 M * albeiro because you do and have full rights to expect taht mounting with ro gives you _read-only_ mount 1119721635 M * albeiro and it quietly does otherwise 1119721692 M * zhware albeiro: what about RO host partition? 1119721702 M * albeiro not bad also 1119721713 M * albeiro bme are easy anyway 1119721735 M * zhware albeiro: i thinked to have the template system, ro and bind dirs from there. just remount rw for updates 1119721832 M * albeiro not bad also 1119721857 M * albeiro there is little need to have most of the system +rw except from updates, right 1119721929 M * zhware k. gotta go. thanks for the great help to everybody. albeiro , you are in charge bye :) 1119721947 Q * zhware Quit: leaving 1119721950 M * albeiro ;] 1119722252 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection 1119722401 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1119722817 J * are|linuxtag ~are@dsl-084-056-159-152.arcor-ip.net 1119722880 Q * zimbo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119723387 Q * Jani Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119723675 J * Jani ~mail@G9e48.g.pppool.de 1119723677 M * Jani *waves* 1119724430 Q * are|linuxtag Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119724810 M * Jani When I do a I get below the AS line follow error: 1119724810 M * Jani vc_get_rlimit(): Unknown error 524 1119724839 M * Jani The whole output is visible at http://files.svpdata.de/vlimit_error.txt 1119725851 J * cods ~cods@tuxee.net 1119726120 M * cods Hi. I'm used to "old" util-vserver (chcontext) and trying new vcontext, I don't understand why there is no option alternative to --create/--migrate such that trying to switch to context ID not yet create would create it automatically, and otherwise just enter it. 1119726134 M * cods s/create/created/ 1119726172 M * cods I'm using my own script around chcontext/capchroot/chbind, and I'm looking for the best way to remove deprecated stuff. 1119726283 M * cods (I'm using vserver 2.0-rc4, with 0.30.207 tools) 1119727211 J * are|linuxtag ~are@dsl-084-056-159-152.arcor-ip.net 1119727877 M * cods I guess I can just ask on ML. 1119728195 J * jkl eric@c-67-173-254-242.hsd1.co.comcast.net 1119729207 N * are|linuxtag _are_ 1119729628 J * zimbo ~zimbo@callisto.dom.bonis.de 1119731421 N * Doener|busy Doener 1119731460 M * Doener cods: the alpha tools come with a chcontext bash script that behaves just like the old chroot binary, but using the vcontext stuff 1119731844 N * BobR_oO BobR 1119731849 M * Bertl_oO hey bob! 1119731870 M * Bertl_oO cvs ist auch da .. werd mal das aufsetzen zum einchecken ... 1119731893 M * Bertl_oO *sorry* 1119732677 M * cods Doener: hmm, right. In fact, I also want to understand why there is this new behavior (why not create context automatically with vcontext?) 1119732762 M * cods also, I'm looking for something atomic, but script seem to try first creation then try migration if that fail. 1119734347 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-060.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1119736462 J * shuri shuri@64.235.209.226 1119737585 Q * shuri Quit: Leaving 1119737705 Q * _are_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119737822 M * hiaslboy Bertl: is SVN not a better choice (like easier to handle :-) ? 1119737853 M * Bertl_oO yeah, probably ... 1119737874 M * daniel_hozac undefined reference to `vx_rmap_pid' is solved by #include , right? 1119737936 M * Bertl_oO in most cases ... 1119739049 Q * sannes Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1119739675 Q * sukria Quit: see you 1119740699 Q * hiaslboy Remote host closed the connection 1119740966 J * jayeola ~jayeola@84.9.33.255 1119741100 M * jayeola hey chaps, any one home? 1119741491 M * Eyck hmm, Bertl should wake up any minute now... 1119741593 M * jayeola um, slight trivial problem. i run vserver exec whereis and the the location of the application is shown. but if i run vserver exec /path/to/app, i get nothing 1119741703 M * Eyck hmm, I don't see this, which utils/kernel patch? 1119741744 Q * eXplasm Quit: Verlassend 1119741778 M * jayeola um, it's a debian box, util-vserver 2005-05-01 1119741984 M * Eyck and not 0.30.204-5sarge2? ;) 1119742023 M * jayeola um, lemme see 1119742089 M * Eyck which kernel patch? 1119742104 M * Eyck I'm 2.4.x guy, but others will want to know when they come 1119742182 M * jayeola 2.6.11.5, testing/unstable 1119742903 M * Bertl_oO I'd suggest 2.6.12-vs2.0-rc4 and 0.30.207 :) 1119742917 M * Bertl_oO (forget the debian stuff for now) 1119742986 M * jayeola ok. i can appreciate any issues with kernel versions, but is the general syntax correct? 1119743028 M * jayeola vserver exec whereis 1119743050 M * jayeola vserver exec 1119743067 M * Bertl_oO yep, is fine if you want to execute stuff inside the guest 1119743075 M * jayeola hrm 1119743100 M * jayeola the output of "whereis" blah shows the path 1119743125 M * jayeola but when i try to run the mofo, there's no such file or dir 1119743134 A * jayeola scracthes head 1119743158 M * Bertl_oO well, whereis must not be correct, no? 1119743172 M * Bertl_oO and you might also work with differing namespaces here ... 1119743248 M * jayeola oh yeah? 1119743417 M * Bertl_oO yup, vserver guest use private namespaces (by default) 1119743456 M * Bertl_oO simple example, /tmp is mounted inside of each guest, but the mount is not actually there on the host 1119743479 M * jayeola hmm 1119743486 M * jayeola :thinking: