1118880012 M * Bertl 80% guaranteed CPU for zone A, and 60% for zone B? ;) 1118880023 M * Doener of course! ;) 1118880079 M * Bertl anything else? 1118880112 M * Doener and (who would have expected) the userspace tools are somewhat more polished ;) 1118880154 M * Doener that's about all the article tells 1118880197 M * Bertl yeah, the userspace tools ... 1118880257 M * Aiken you have chbind with I did not see an equivalent of when I had a quick play with zones 1118880295 M * Aiken which from my playing with vserver means less reconfiguring of some of host's services compared to solaris 1118880366 M * Bertl good point, probably the entire modularity is missing ... 1118880384 M * Bertl i.e. you can have the whole zone or nothing ... 1118880399 M * Doener yep 1118880405 M * Aiken with zones it is either reconfigure the service to the host ip or run the service in it's own zone 1118880468 M * Aiken but with zones I really liked the way the new zone came up like a new unconfigures machine so you do the normal solaris configuration the first time you start the zone 1118880519 M * Aiken but with my reconfigured vserevr master.tar.bz2 that takes it's identify from the ip assigned to it I don't really care too much 1118880702 M * Bertl what I meant was, you can use chbind _alone_ (which is what the v_* scripts do) 1118880718 M * Bertl (same goes for vnamespace and vcontext ..) 1118880721 M * Aiken I know. I have been doing my own v_scripts 1118880729 M * Doener solaris has a far easier job there, as it only has to care about solaris, and i guess getting a solaris install that fits a zone was no problem either, as it comes all from (under) the same sun 1118880774 Q * locksy Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118880824 Q * rs Quit: rs 1118880943 M * Bertl yep, I think we should also go back to preconfigured images ... 1118880965 M * Bertl maybe allow to 'build' a preconfigured image from rpms/sources/whatever 1118880978 M * Bertl gentoo has an advantage here, I guess 1118881026 M * Aiken when I started playing with vserver I found turning a wokring image into a tar ball make it a lot easier 1118881038 M * Doener debootstrap can do that in some way (needs quite some care, and custom build scripts) 1118881070 M * Aiken had a master .conf and the tar ball amdf small script -> ./newserver 172.16.31.7 slate.bedrock and wait 1118881099 M * Doener i'll also look into cdebootstrap which is supposed to care about dependencies and should allow easier compilation of needed packages, but i don't know how good the support for hand-made modifications is... 1118881370 Q * Loki|muh Remote host closed the connection 1118881861 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1118882009 J * Zoiah Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net 1118882335 Q * Loki|muh Remote host closed the connection 1118882826 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1118884620 M * fwiffo good night all :-) 1118884683 Q * fwiffo Quit: uptime is to high have to reboot! 1118885498 M * Doener i'm off to bed, good night! 1118885507 N * Doener Doener_ZzZ 1118885582 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-217.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1118885621 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer 1118885659 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1118885924 M * Bertl night Doener_ZzZ! 1118886021 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118886107 M * Aiken_ Bertl I think yesterday you mentioned the kernel on your alpha was fine but you had problems with the tools 1118886110 M * Aiken_ what was the problem? 1118886154 M * Aiken_ for the first time I now have a working ping on mine 1118886210 M * Bertl ah, the issues seem to be related to the way integers vs. longs are handled 1118886239 M * Bertl sec, searching for a tool ... 1118886264 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/vflags-0.02.tar.bz2 1118886277 M * Bertl if you look at the code for the flag settings ... 1118886321 M * Bertl it uses (1L< 1 hour before I even have a kernel compiled 1118886783 M * Bertl you could check something for me regarding the kernel 1118886796 M * Aiken_ ? 1118886811 M * Bertl I have the 'strange' effect that my kernel compiles almost everything everytime I do 'make' 1118886838 A * Aiken_ does not like that 'almost' 1118886844 M * Bertl so doing 'make', waiting until it finished, then doing 'make' again will rebuild it almost from scratch 1118886845 N * Aiken_ Aiken 1118886877 M * Aiken mine is fine in that regard 1118886879 M * Bertl I would like to know if it is the same for you, or if my setup/tools are just broken somehow 1118886917 M * Bertl so it doesn't recompile for you? 1118886935 M * Aiken I'll check but when I make a small change with make menuconfig it only compiled the new bits then relinks vmlinux 1118886963 M * Bertl yeah, that's how it is supposed to be ... 1118886991 M * Bertl unfortunately this doesn't apply to my alpha debian system :( 1118887014 M * Aiken zcat /proc/config.gz > .config really makes life easy configuring a kernel :) 1118887037 M * Bertl yes, I even had that before it was in mainline ... 1118887099 M * matti :D 1118887190 M * Aiken just started the 1st kernel compile, I expect it to take > 1 hour then I try make again 1118887225 M * Bertl yeah, it takes ages on an older system ... 1118887421 M * Aiken it is an Alpha XL with a 433 MHZ chip 1118887499 J * locksy ~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au 1118887512 M * Bertl welcome locksy! 1118890831 M * Aiken Bertl are you still around? 1118890840 M * Aiken 58 min 59 sec for the 1st make 1118890847 M * Bertl yup 1118890850 M * Aiken subsequent make took 24 seconds 1118890869 M * Bertl okay, so it's an issue on my side ... just wonder what ... 1118890870 M * Aiken so for me make is working as expected 1118890893 M * Bertl have to check, maybe the date is somehow wrong ... 1118890954 M * Aiken I now have ntp running on everything, amongst other things I was getting sick of time errors from make 1118890965 M * Bertl 2025-06-08 02:55 MAINTAINERS .. hmm, looks like ;) 1118891005 M * Aiken oh 1118891032 M * Bertl thanks for verifying that ... just didn't think of this ... 1118891032 M * Aiken there is a faq floating around including what if the time on my alpha is 20 years out 1118891054 M * Bertl date itself seems fine, but probably wasn't when I installed ;) 1118891105 M * Aiken if the date is fine now what about a recursive touch on everything in the kernel tree to reset atime and mtime? 1118891121 M * Bertl already did that, first compile now (with ccache ;) 1118891143 M * Bertl s/already/just/ 1118891192 M * Aiken bugger, the new kernel even stripped is > 4 meg :( 1118891229 M * Bertl I switched to SRM console + aboot, which handles the .gz fine 1118891265 M * Aiken as far as I can tell there is no srm for the XL. it was originally a NT4 machine only 1118891305 M * Bertl hmm, let me check, mine had the Alpha console too (SX) 1118891620 M * Bertl hmm, right, they have just the NT/ARC stuff ... :( 1118891621 J * eXplasm explasm@p549F78CF.dip.t-dialin.net 1118891706 M * Bertl so you have to use milo, I guess ... probably what you are doing right now ... 1118891887 M * Aiken using a xlt milo from rh4.1 1118891894 M * Aiken an newer milo fails 1118891936 M * Bertl tough luck ... 1118891938 M * Aiken I get unknown compression format from milo if I try a .gz and just tried (and failed) a .zip 1118891959 M * Bertl hmm, I had that too .. with aboot 1118891974 M * Bertl was because I forgot to enable the SRM option in the kernel 1118891992 M * Bertl (this seems to change the boot loader somehow) 1118892003 M * Bertl (the bootloader part of the kernel, I mean) 1118892042 M * Aiken how have you found ccache on the alpha? I have had 2 bad filesystem corruptions using it 1118892054 M * Aiken each time bad stuff in /root/.ccache :( 1118892066 M * Bertl well, it seems to work so far ... 1118892187 M * Aiken actually I have not tried it with the new image I build last week. 1118892193 M * Aiken did a big jump in tool chain versions 1118892440 M * Aiken the machine has had me confused as during boot the initial splash screen says alpha XL but I have to use XLT stuff to make it work 1118892541 M * Bertl ah, compile finished here ... 1118892634 M * Bertl great, second compile did nothing as expected ;) 1118892996 M * Bertl those simple things ... *G* 1118893078 Q * eXplasm Quit: Verlassend 1118893083 J * eXplasm explasm@p549F78CF.dip.t-dialin.net 1118893131 Q * eXplasm Quit: 1118893143 J * eXplasm explasm@p549F78CF.dip.t-dialin.net 1118893158 M * Bertl hmm, good morning eXplasm! 1118893182 M * Aiken Linux pebbles.bedrock 2.6.11.11-vs2.0-rc4 #2 Thu Jun 16 13:30:25 EST 2005 alpha Unknown Alcor GNU/Linux 1118893192 M * Bertl cool! 1118893241 M * Bertl debian tools won't work at all, they use the wrong syscall number 1118893255 M * Aiken I have to be carefull, my wife has accepted it as her 2nd linux box so I am in trouble if I kill it. 1118893292 M * Bertl well, IMHO the kernel works 'just' fine ... 1118893335 M * Aiken configuring the 207 utils nows 1118893369 M * eXplasm good mornin :) 1118893371 M * Aiken I am running out of names. Need to think of more flinstone characters 1118893402 M * Bertl do you just use persons or animals too? 1118893448 M * Aiken saber-tooth is the vserver image my mother inlaw uses, dino is the tv computer, slate is the sparc that is next to me 1118893450 Q * eXplasm Remote host closed the connection 1118893499 M * Bertl had the elephant a name? 1118893522 M * Aiken what was the elephants name? 1118893536 M * Aiken never mind, I read what you typed wrong 1118893653 M * Bertl do you have Hoppy yet? 1118893704 M * Aiken who was hoppy? 1118893766 M * Aiken just found a reference to a pet the rubbles had 1118893787 M * Bertl yep, hoppy the hopparu or so ... 1118893843 M * Aiken that will do 1118893849 M * Bertl also the mother of wilma (no idea how she was called) 1118894470 M * Aiken all I can think of is Liz Taylor but that does not fit. 1118894520 M * Bertl google says Pearl (Verna Felton) 1118894613 M * Aiken vserver on the alpha would be handy. A friend wants access to it 1118894637 M * Bertl well, if you compiled the tools, give the testme.sh a spin 1118894664 M * Bertl it probably fails on 011,201 and 202 ... 1118894689 M * Aiken Pearl Slaghoople 1118894725 M * Bertl if you can locate where the 2^32 and 2^33 flags are lost in the userspace/kernel communication, it should work as expected 1118894751 M * Aiken still waiting for iproute2 to be installed 1118896143 M * Aiken I don't see a testme.sh 1118896193 M * Bertl sec 1118896217 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh 1118896312 M * Aiken oh, I was looking in the 207 tar ball 1118896474 M * Aiken 201, 202 failed and no mention of 011 1118896501 M * Bertl hmm? 1118896532 M * Aiken whoops, 011 passed 1118896545 M * Aiken I was looking for a red 011 not a green 011 1118896547 M * Bertl interesting ... 1118897375 M * Aiken isn't vprocunhide surposed to deal with '/proc/uptime can not be accessed'? 1118897380 J * hwarrier hwarrier@adsl-67-112-26-96.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net 1118897420 M * Bertl yes, but as I said, the flags are not transmitted correctly 1118897477 M * hwarrier hi, I have a vserver setup. when I start the vserver, it doesnt seem to execute anything in /etc/rcS.d/* - do I have to set some config somewhere? 1118897506 M * Bertl gentoo? 1118897591 M * hwarrier (if r asking me - know gentoo is someone's screen name) no, debian 3.1 with util-vserver 0.30.207-7 1118897613 M * Bertl strange, maybe you have no services selected? 1118897854 M * hwarrier I didnt get u - what should I be looking for 1118898007 M * Bertl configured services for your runlevel 1118898017 M * Bertl (probably default runlevel 3 or so) 1118898328 M * Bertl hwarrier: basically you have two option when starting a guest 1118898354 Q * hwarrier Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118898361 M * Bertl you can start the init process inside the guest, and you can just do what init usually does (i.e. run the runlevel scripts) 1118898621 M * Aiken what is osf_syscall? 1118898701 M * Bertl hmm, you get that? 1118898738 M * Bertl it means that your syscall is wrong, but it should not be, otherwise the other things should not work (from testme.sh) 1118898749 M * Aiken just comparing an strace of setattr on x86 and alpha 1118898790 M * Aiken /usr/sbin/setattr -x --admin --hide -R /proc/sys/dev/ gets as far as /dev/null then lots of osf_syscall 1118898908 M * Bertl interesting .. sec 1118898962 M * Bertl strace setattr -x --~hide /proc/loadavg 1118898970 M * Bertl reports here: 1118898976 M * Bertl lstat("/proc/loadavg", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 1118898977 M * Bertl vserver(0, 0x3f, 0, 0x4, 0) = 131073 1118898977 M * Bertl vserver(0x26020001, 0, 0x11ffffa20, 0, 0) = 0 1118899068 M * Aiken on x86 I get 1118899069 M * Aiken lstat64("/proc/loadavg", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 1118899070 M * Aiken SYS_273(0, 0x3f, 0, 0x2aad69c0, 0x2aabfbd0) = 131073 1118899070 M * Aiken SYS_273(0x26020001, 0, 0x7ffff950, 0x7ffff970, 0x2aabf6d0) = 0 1118899082 M * Bertl no, 273 is completely wrong ... 1118899086 M * Aiken on the alpha I only get loadavg mentioned in the inital exec line 1118899103 M * Bertl for the alpha, 273 is wrong, I mean 1118899113 M * Aiken the alpha does not even get that far 1118899127 M * Aiken want me to use pastbin to show the output from my alpha? 1118899137 M * Bertl yup, please 1118899213 M * Aiken http://pastebin.com/300134 1118899220 M * Bertl tx 1118899271 M * eyck eh 1118899272 M * eyck morning 1118899287 M * Bertl Aiken: could you do: /usr/sbin/setattr --version 1118899292 M * Bertl morning eyck! 1118899319 M * Aiken setattr 0.30.207 -- sets vserver specific file attributes 1118899397 J * _Zoiah Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net 1118899433 M * Bertl Aiken: okay, please upload the output of 'vserver-info - SYSINFO' 1118899435 Q * Hollow helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118899435 Q * Zoiah helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118899435 Q * flock helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118899556 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1118899571 M * Bertl wb Hollow! 1118899572 M * Aiken http://pastebin.com/300136 1118899585 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1118899625 M * Bertl ah, well: # 1118899626 M * Bertl Use dietlibc: no (you have been warned) 1118899657 M * Bertl but I guess the real issue is the # 1118899659 M * Bertl 428/glibc 1118899661 M * Aiken same as what is on this box and it works 1118899687 M * Bertl you never know _what_ glibc makes out of syscalls ... 1118899723 M * Aiken if you are interested this is for this machine http://pastebin.com/300137 1118899753 M * Bertl well, that's apples and oranges ... 1118899771 M * Aiken what does your alpha do with strace setattr -x --~hide /proc/loadavg ? 1118899784 M * Bertl you ahve completely different archs here, and the glibc probably doesn't even correspond ... 1118899796 M * Bertl I'll upload the strace, sec 1118899805 J * hwarrier hwarrier@adsl-67-112-26-96.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net 1118899878 M * Bertl http://pastebin.com/300138 1118899972 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer 1118899973 M * Bertl (this is with glibc too, so you can compare them) 1118899973 M * Aiken much neater and relatively close to my x86 strace 1118899994 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1118899995 M * hwarrier bertl: I got disconnected - did u have an answer for me? 1118900015 M * Bertl hwarrier: hmm, well, yes an explanation ... 1118900069 M * hwarrier I am reading the realtime lods 1118900070 M * hwarrier logs 1118900195 M * hwarrier bertl: so u r saying I should enable 'init' from guest - how do I do that? plus I only need certain script started at startup time - no need to make all other /etc/rcS.d scripts run 1118900229 M * Bertl yep, so you ahve two options: a) use the plain init style (which will start init inside the guest) 1118900259 M * Bertl and b) (the IMHO preferred one) select some 'services' like ssh for the default runlevel 1118900317 M * hwarrier how do I go about (a) or (b)? 1118900365 M * Bertl for a) you change the initstyle (config option), for b) you make some S/K links into the /etc/rc3.d dir (or whatever is the default runlevel) 1118900382 M * Bertl let me give an example for b) 1118900433 M * Bertl ls vinz/etc/rc3.d/ 1118900434 M * Bertl S10sysklogd@ S14ppp@ S20inetd@ S89atd@ S99rmnologin@ 1118900434 M * Bertl S11klogd@ S20exim4@ S20makedev@ S89cron@ S99stop-bootlogd@ 1118900476 M * Bertl ll vinz/etc/rc3.d/*sys* 1118900477 M * Bertl lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jun 9 01:53 vinz/etc/rc3.d/S10sysklogd -> ../init.d/sysklogd* 1118900503 M * Bertl (that's the normal way sysv init is working) 1118900510 M * hwarrier got it - I was making symlink under rcS.d 1118900523 M * hwarrier I just need to do it under rc2.d 1118900526 M * Bertl i.c. 1118900552 M * Bertl you can also change which default runlevel is executed, btw 1118900574 M * hwarrier in /etc/inittab? 1118900575 M * Bertl but it's better to use rcN.d instead of rcS ... 1118900593 M * Bertl no, in the config tree of that guest 1118900665 M * hwarrier cool - it probably make sense not to execute rcS stuff ( i see lot of lowlevel stuff network/clock anyway) 1118900685 M * Bertl yes, this is neither required nor wanted for a guest 1118900702 M * Bertl all hardware has been initialized ... so 'just' the plain services are called 1118900750 M * hwarrier is it a file under apps/init ? 1118900826 M * Bertl Aiken: http://pastebin.com/300140 (this is with dietlibc) 1118900849 M * hwarrier got it - looked at the flower page :) - thanks bertl 1118900858 M * Bertl k, you're welcome! 1118900879 M * Aiken hatch already installed dietlibc, just rebuiling util-vserver 1118900889 M * Aiken hatch = have 1118900948 M * Bertl do you have the kernel sources in /usr/src or reachable via /lib/modules? 1118900992 M * Aiken both 1118900997 M * hwarrier bertl: what is the default run level when I dont specify a app/init/runlevel - the page doesn't say anything 1118901039 M * Bertl no idea, but I'd guess 2 or 3 ... 1118901047 M * hwarrier thanks 1118901532 Q * hwarrier Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118902044 M * Aiken alpha + dietlibc http://pastebin.com/300146 1118902205 M * Bertl looks good, just your strace is too old it seems 1118902265 M * Bertl strace -V 1118902265 M * Bertl strace -- version 4.5.8 1118902285 M * Aiken strace -- version 4.5.3 1118902338 M * Aiken /usr/sbin/vserver: line -175: 1208 Segmentation fault $_LOCKFILE "$1" $tmp $2 (wd: /usr/var/run) 1118902338 M * Aiken /usr/sbin/vserver: line -175: 1332 Segmentation fault $_LOCKFILE "$1" $tmp $2 1118902367 M * Bertl you are trying to start a guest or what? 1118902398 M * Aiken yes and it seemed to start, just configuring hostname and ip now 1118902416 M * Bertl as I said before, you have to fix the flag issues for flags 2^32 and 2^33 ... 1118902428 M * Bertl otherwise you will observe funny behaviour ... 1118902460 M * Bertl anyway ... I'm off to bed now ... but I'll look into it this evening ... 1118902483 M * Bertl have a good whatever everyone ... cya later ... 1118902493 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1118902503 M * Aiken hoppy lives :) 1118902871 J * hwarrier hwarrier@adsl-67-112-26-96.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net 1118903356 Q * hwarrier Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118903410 Q * ciphernaut Quit: 1118903629 N * ArnY[AwaY] ArnY 1118903832 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@konilope.dyndns.org 1118903957 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1118903979 J * hwarrier hwarrier@adsl-67-112-26-96.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net 1118904302 M * hwarrier hi, I get the following message when I stop the vserver /usr/sbin/vserver: line 79: 3512 Killed "${NICE_CMD[@]}" ${USE_VNAMESPACE:+$_VNAMESPACE --enter "$S_CONTEXT" -- } $_VCONTEXT $SILENT_OPT --migrate --chroot --xid "$S_CONTEXT" -- "${INITCMD_STOP[@]}" 1118904424 M * hwarrier this is after I added my scripts to /etc/rc2.d of the vserver 1118904513 M * ArnY hum... is there a way i can specify a custom MTU for a vserver interface (with vs1.9) ? 1118904634 Q * hwarrier Quit: 1118908515 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com 1118909324 J * helios helios@p548985A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1118909326 M * helios hello 1118909348 M * helios i need help with disk quota 1118909360 M * helios if i run cqdlim -x 101 -v /dev/hdb1 1118909360 M * helios dlimctl failed: No such device or address 1118909407 M * helios but the device hdb1 is correctly mounted and i have run cqhadd -x 100 -v /dev/hdb1 before 1118909435 M * helios same error if i run cqdlim -x 101 -S 160,200,0,1000,10 -v /dev/hdb1 1118909749 M * helios kay, solved, sorry for spamming 1118909755 Q * pattieja Ping timeout: 481 seconds 1118909766 Q * helios Quit: 1118909853 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-002-dhcp.ethz.ch 1118910001 J * pattieja ~pattieja@adsl-69-153-174-41.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net 1118910295 Q * Vudumen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118911244 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu 1118911775 N * Doener_ZzZ Doener 1118912661 J * greedy ~jesper@0x503e3545.arcnxx21.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk 1118912751 Q * greedy Quit: 1118912768 J * greedy ~jesper@0x503e3545.arcnxx21.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk 1118913096 M * Doener morning folks 1118913209 M * Loki|muh moins Doener 1118913326 M * Doener hey Loki|muh, what's up? 1118913345 M * Loki|muh all servers running fine :) 1118913400 M * Loki|muh i wonder if there's anywhere a Changelog for upcoming 2.0? 1118913496 M * Doener http://linux-vserver.org/Release+FAQ -- the release matrix, but i guess that's it (apart from the source of course ;) 1118913853 M * Loki|muh yeah, use the source, luke ^^ 1118914237 M * Loki|muh Userspace Startup/Shutdown Helper <-- what does this mean exactly? that you can turn off a vserver from the inside? but what would startup be then? ;) 1118914263 M * eyck that's what you need helper for.. 1118914327 M * Loki|muh but vserver name start works also with 1.9.2. So why is this a feature for 2.0? Am I getting something wrong? 1118914650 M * Doener the kernel can ask a userspace helper (vshelper) to do certain tasks 1118914732 M * Doener f.e. for ngnet it was at least planned (and might become reality sometime) that the userspace helper does certain tasks whenever a context is created or destroyed 1118914793 M * Doener the helper also does the "shutdown/reboot from the inside" stuff (for ages ;) 1118915193 M * Loki|muh ah okay 1118915860 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1118916067 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-dhcp3-112.ethz.ch 1118916208 Q * yarihm Quit: 1118917048 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1118918443 J * steve^ ~stephen@user-2774.l6.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk 1118918445 M * steve^ hi all 1118918450 Q * daniel_hozac Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118918471 M * steve^ I'm following the centos4 howto, but I'm getting an error when I execute the last command: 1118918472 M * steve^ cp: cannot stat `/etc/vservers/.distributions/fc3': No such file or directory 1118918479 M * steve^ any ideas? 1118918712 J * Doener` ~doener@p548753EE.dip.t-dialin.net 1118918961 Q * steve^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118919152 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118919241 Q * mugwump Quit: restarting with recode support 1118919248 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@h56n2fls32o829.telia.com 1118919259 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1118919294 Q * mugwump Quit: 1118919460 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1118919641 J * rs ~rs@ATuileries-153-1-9-36.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr 1118920184 Q * rs Quit: rs 1118921213 J * steve^ ~stephen@user-2774.l6.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk 1118921696 Q * steve^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118922602 J * rs ~rs@ATuileries-153-1-20-94.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr 1118922602 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer 1118922615 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de 1118922642 Q * mugwump Quit: restart with SCIM 1118922672 J * Guest6982569 freebsd@219.95.12.88 1118922750 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@host-62-69-64-93.bsve.net 1118922766 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1118922777 Q * jsambrook Remote host closed the connection 1118922923 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1118923147 J * steve^ ~stephen@user-2774.l6.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk 1118923150 M * steve^ anybody around? 1118923354 A * mugwump looks around 1118923361 A * Doener` hides 1118923380 M * Doener` hi steve^ 1118923406 M * Doener` You hear something from under a rock 1118923408 M * Doener` ;) 1118923443 M * Doener` what's up? 1118923634 Q * steve^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118923882 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer 1118924080 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1118924471 Q * _Zoiah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118924759 Q * rs Quit: rs 1118924827 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@host-62-69-64-93.bsve.net 1118924830 P * jsambrook 1118924857 J * rs ~rs@ATuileries-153-1-20-94.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr 1118925276 Q * rs Quit: rs 1118925588 J * steve^ ~stephen@user-2774.l6.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk 1118925930 J * stephen-^ ~stephen@user-2774.l6.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk 1118926071 Q * steve^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118927485 J * rs ~rs@Laubervilliers-151-13-4-57.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr 1118928730 N * Guest6982569 MrX 1118928739 P * MrX 1118928883 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de 1118930381 Q * Doener` Read error: Connection reset by peer 1118930871 J * Doener ~doener@p548753EE.dip.t-dialin.net 1118930893 M * Doener damn heat... had to lower cpu freq... 1118930982 Q * Hunger Remote host closed the connection 1118931034 J * Zoiah Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net 1118931511 M * eyck damn straight, 1118931602 Q * zimbo Quit: 1118931777 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@LevNor.Hu 1118931937 J * eXplasm explasm@p549F78CF.dip.t-dialin.net 1118933052 J * Val ~val@v41.ath.cx 1118933068 M * Val Hi :) 1118933420 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1118934343 Q * eXplasm Remote host closed the connection 1118934458 J * eXplasm explasm@p549F78CF.dip.t-dialin.net 1118935110 J * zimbo ~zimbo@callisto.dom.bonis.de 1118935612 N * ArnY ArnY[AwaY] 1118936498 Q * eXplasm Remote host closed the connection 1118937263 M * stephen-^ is it possible to build a vserver from yum in vserver 1.9.5? 1118937550 M * TheSeer should be 1118938289 J * Doener ~doener@p548753EE.dip.t-dialin.net 1118939094 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 ! 1118939420 M * stephen-^ TheSeer: any idea how? 1118939892 M * stephen-^ also... is it possible to change the kernel of a vserver? 1118939897 M * stephen-^ that differs from the host 1118940731 M * TheSeer no 1118940753 M * TheSeer you'd need xen or something for that 1118940770 M * TheSeer or something that simulates a computer like vmware 1118941018 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1118941041 M * Bertl stephen-^: in many cases it's not required to change the kernel at all 1118941176 M * Doener evening Bertl 1118941188 M * Bertl hey Doener! 1118941235 M * Bertl Doener: RPG freak? 1118941258 M * Doener hm? 1118941260 M * Doener ah... 1118941285 M * Doener a few years ago, i used to play AD&D, ShadowRun and "Das schwarze Auge" 1118941303 M * Bertl yeah, me too, had a lot of fun ... 1118941307 M * Doener but nowadays, i don't know any folks in my area that are into rpg 1118941316 A * Bertl .oO( maybe I should do that again ...) 1118941343 M * Bertl so maybe we'll do an RPG-Vserver meeting ;) 1118941435 M * Doener best memory: i was playing a dwarf magician and had an 'accident' with a troll... afterwards i (the dwarf, not me! ;) suffered from a trauma and started to believe that i'm gay... and my back hurt like hell... the rest is up to your fantasy... ;) 1118941576 M * Bertl hmm, interesting what memories you keep :) 1118941715 M * Doener it's funny for others if i tell it and sad for me, because i really liked that dwarf ;) 1118942126 M * eyck Red Dwarf? 1118942193 M * eyck Doener: you released your inner gay? 1118942196 M * Doener there are just dwarfs in shadow run, no subclasses... 1118942198 M * eyck inner dwarf? 1118942260 M * eyck never did shadow run, I wouldn't know. 1118943271 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-0-39.dclient.hispeed.ch 1118943889 M * Bertl welcome yarihm! 1118943923 M * Bertl has anybody heard anything from Enrico? 1118944257 Q * Hollow Read error: Operation timed out 1118944275 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1118944419 M * daniel_hozac i've seen him on fedora-devel-list fairly recently. 1118944436 M * daniel_hozac tuesday, to be exact. 1118944571 M * Bertl good, so he is still alive ... 1118944634 Q * Hollow helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118944634 Q * Val helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118944634 Q * monrad helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118944634 Q * flock helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118944641 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1118944641 J * Val ~val@v41.ath.cx 1118944641 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1118944641 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1118944752 J * lordlamer ~lordlamer@p548C5988.dip.t-dialin.net 1118944758 M * Bertl welcome lordlamer! 1118944761 M * lordlamer hi 1118944796 M * lordlamer following problem. i need sles 8 and sles9 on one machine. is it possible to run both with vserver? 1118944810 M * Bertl sles being? 1118944821 M * lordlamer suse linux enterprise server 1118944833 M * Bertl does it work with a vanilla 2.6 kernel? 1118944849 M * lordlamer i hope so 1118944857 M * Bertl well, then there should be no problem ... 1118944873 M * lordlamer and how should i install both? 1118944882 M * Bertl just create two guest images (one for sles8 and one for sles9( 1118944896 M * Bertl you can use a different distro for the host 1118944923 M * Bertl as I do not know of sles specific install methods, I'd suggest you do it this way: 1118944932 M * lordlamer you mean i should install sles8 into one partition and make a image or how` 1118944934 M * lordlamer ? 1118944946 M * Bertl create two partitions about 5GB each, so that you can install the slesX there 1118944955 M * Bertl (or whatever space they need) 1118944961 M * lordlamer yes.ok 1118944969 M * Bertl then manually remove the hardware specific stuff 1118944977 M * Bertl either the packages or just the scripts ... 1118944995 M * Bertl then on the host (which can be a different distro) 1118945008 M * Bertl install the linux-vserver kernel and the userspace tools 1118945021 M * Bertl create a skeleton server for both distros slesX 1118945045 M * Bertl and mount the partitions over the root dirs of the guests 1118945055 M * Bertl (of course, you can also copy them over) 1118945098 M * lordlamer ok. seems to be possible 1118945138 M * Bertl if you need more than one guest of each (slesX) 1118945156 M * Bertl then it makes sens to clean up the 'templates' first, then archive them (either as dump or tar) 1118945174 M * Bertl and just copy/extract them when you need a new slesX guest 1118945247 M * lordlamer ok 1118945766 Q * flock helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118945766 Q * monrad helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118945766 Q * Val helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118945766 Q * Hollow helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118945793 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1118945826 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1118945877 J * Val ~val@v41.ath.cx 1118945877 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1118946325 Q * monrad helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118946325 Q * Val helium.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1118946446 J * Val ~val@v41.ath.cx 1118946446 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1118946884 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later ... 1118946897 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1118947019 M * eyck bye bye 1118947682 M * shuri bye 1118948633 Q * rs Quit: rs 1118949121 M * stephen-^ is it possible to build a vserver from yum in vserver 1.9.5? 1118949318 M * shuri vserver build -m yum * -- -d fc3 1118949587 M * yarihm bi Bertl_oO , hi rest 1118949599 M * Doener evening yarihm 1118949666 M * DaCa did Bertl_oO cancel his workshops at LT? 1118949695 M * Doener yep 1118949719 M * DaCa why is that? 1118949727 M * Doener http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2005-06/LOG_2005-06-09.txt -- end of log 1118949887 M * DaCa sad 1118949893 M * Doener indeed 1118950019 M * DaCa it was listed at http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/events/LinuxTag2005/workshops.php3 btw 1118950993 M * pusling are there any problems running a nfs-server inside a vserver ? 1118951305 M * DaCa never tried it, but I'd guess it could work on the condition you don't use nfs on the host 1118951380 M * DaCa (reasoning for this is that the portmapper couldnt really differentiate for who the incoming requests are) 1118952223 M * pusling I am only runnning sshd and ntpd on the host ;) 1118953176 J * fwiffo ~mmrnmrhm@p5499F6AD.dip.t-dialin.net 1118953185 M * fwiffo moin *yawn* :-) 1118953779 M * Doener evening fwiffo, how's your grsec+vserver stuff doing? 1118953830 M * fwiffo hm, somehow i had a braincarneval, yesterday O_o 1118953867 M * fwiffo i wondered why it didn't work, because my userspace tools and the kernel stuff didn't match somehow... 1118953880 M * fwiffo therefore i thought my patch was wrong... 1118953885 M * fwiffo :-D 1118953893 M * fwiffo and now comes that braincarneval thing: 1118953917 M * fwiffo gradm was ver 2.1.5 and my kernel was 2.1.6 :-D 1118953937 M * Doener heh :) 1118954067 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1118954069 Q * micah Quit: 1118954086 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1118955365 P * lordlamer Verlassend 1118955580 M * fwiffo k, added a note to the wiki :-) 1118956812 M * fwiffo yeah! 1118956822 M * fwiffo now it works :-) 1118956855 M * fwiffo okay, some annoying errors like "permission denied", "operation not permitted" are still left, but... it works :-) 1118957088 M * fwiffo butt:~# vserver mail enter 1118957088 M * fwiffo mesg: /dev/pts/3: Operation not permitted 1118957088 M * fwiffo mail:/# 1118957119 M * Doener that's normal... the pty belongs to the host, so the vserver may not modify permissions 1118957131 M * fwiffo yeah ;-) 1118957134 M * fwiffo i know ;-) 1118957136 M * Doener 'entering' the vserver via ssh is preferred over "vserver xxx enter" 1118957289 M * fwiffo i just posted to show, that the entering "process" is now almost error-free :-) 1118957294 M * pusling any good reason why I get 'permission denied' while trying to 'su' in a vserver ? 1118957321 M * fwiffo is su suid-root? 1118957347 M * pusling $ ls -la `which su` 1118957347 M * pusling -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 23416 May 18 08:33 /bin/su 1118957350 M * pusling hmm.. yes 1118957376 M * fwiffo strace? 1118957389 M * fwiffo strace su - 1118957393 M * pusling strace not found ;) 1118957397 M * fwiffo ... or something like that 1118957399 M * Doener (needs suid strace) 1118957469 M * pusling as usual, I am not able to parse strace-output ;) 1118957513 M * fwiffo you're logged in via ssh right? 1118957518 M * pusling yes 1118957676 M * Doener paste the strace output somewhere... 1118957677 M * fwiffo hm, is it passible to install strace and make it suid-root? 1118957682 M * Doener (pastebin, not here ;) 1118957707 M * fwiffo #define somewhere ? 1118957727 M * Doener #define somewhere pastebin, not here 1118957735 M * Doener ;) 1118957747 M * fwiffo #define pastebin ? 1118957789 M * Doener s/\(pastebin\)/www.\1.com/ 1118957801 M * fwiffo huh, mom... 1118957822 M * fwiffo oh... 1118957824 M * pusling http://pastebin.com/300600 1118957826 M * fwiffo didn't know of that 1118957850 M * pusling standard strace 1118957864 M * pusling (vserver web exec apt-get install strace) 1118957895 M * fwiffo yeah, try a: 1118957935 M * fwiffo vserver web exec chmod u+s /usr/bin/strace 1118957962 M * fwiffo and then please re'strace ;-) 1118958033 M * pusling http://pastebin.com/300605 1118958038 M * fwiffo oh, hm, usually there should be something like authentication failure 1118958151 M * fwiffo so, your user has the privilege to su, right? 1118958182 M * Doener hm, is there a wheel group in debian at all? 1118958182 M * pusling su is o+x, so yes ;) 1118958185 M * fwiffo 222. open("/etc/pam.d/common-auth", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 1118958208 M * fwiffo nono, i meant using pam 1118958215 M * fwiffo so, common-auth is missing... 1118958225 M * fwiffo you're using sarge, right? 1118958246 M * pusling yes, sarge 1118958255 M * fwiffo momplz... 1118958261 M * Doener pam defaults to unix auth, doesn't it? 1118958284 M * fwiffo don't know exactly... 1118958305 M * pusling I have not done anything with pam, so everything should be defaults. 1118958313 M * fwiffo but if i would implement it, i would deny all access if somethintg goes wrong in the pam.d dir 1118958357 M * fwiffo hrm, okay, then plz create the file /etc/pam.d/common-auth an put in the following: 1118958360 M * fwiffo auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure 1118958389 M * fwiffo yeah! 1118958394 M * fwiffo that's exactly the error 1118958399 M * fwiffo that should solve that problem 1118958439 M * pusling weee!!!11 1118958453 M * fwiffo :-) 1118958456 M * pusling it worked. thanks 1118958459 M * fwiffo np 1118958487 M * pusling it is a recover from a bad disk. that might be why the file is missing ... 1118958499 M * fwiffo ah =) 1118958564 M * pusling there was also wrong permissions on /var/run/mysqld so mysql wouldn't start 1118958623 M * fwiffo apt-get --reinstall install libpam-runtime 1118958638 M * fwiffo then the file should be the default again 1118958668 M * fwiffo hrm, consider reinstalling all packages ;-) 1118958684 M * fwiffo there might be some other things, which are possible broken 1118958743 M * pusling it is not a production environment, only a test environment and playground, so I will fix problems when they happen ;) 1118958818 M * fwiffo hrm... 1118958827 M * fwiffo however if you want to reinstall all packages: 1118958828 M * fwiffo apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '/\