1117324886 N * micah_ micah 1117325169 M * serving hi all 1117325217 M * serving how does ls -la output the user/group of files ? 1117325244 M * serving instead of drwxr-xr-x 40 root root 4096 May 28 19:13 etc 1117325273 M * serving i am getting : drwxr-xr-x 19 0 0 4096 May 28 23:14 etc 1117325311 M * daniel_hozac depends on your /etc/nsswitch.conf 1117325342 M * daniel_hozac typically, it uses /etc/passwd and /etc/group. 1117325440 M * serving ah , so that is what the hackers script removed when I deleted its hiddeen dir 1117325447 M * serving hmm 1117325577 M * serving I hate being hacked 1117325856 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1117325883 J * SNy_ ~mfr@217.20.120.199 1117325895 J * pusling_ ~pusling@195.215.29.124 1117325895 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1117325911 J * ola_ ~ola@213.115.168.248 1117325944 Q * duckx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117325952 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117325974 Q * SNy Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117325979 Q * pusling Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117326001 J * Guest6982569 freebsd@219.95.4.183 1117326004 Q * ola Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117326013 P * Guest6982569 1117326206 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1117326246 Q * badiane Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.8/20050513] 1117326456 M * serving it removed /var too . did I say I hate being hacked already 1117326483 M * serving and there is no undelete in Linux (yet). . 1117326501 M * daniel_hozac ext3 zeroes the first block of all deleted files anyway, IIRC. 1117326552 M * serving so there is really no hope of recovering /var ? 1117326583 M * daniel_hozac that's what backups are for. 1117326603 M * serving backups !!! ;) 1117326640 M * serving oh yeah. I was meanning to get to them 1117327013 J * badiane ~chatzilla@user-0cdf0g4.cable.mindspring.com 1117327027 M * badiane hello every one 1117327185 M * badiane does anyone know of wat to ensure that vservers on different subnets each have their own gateway once booted 1117327247 M * daniel_hozac are you using NGNET? 1117327271 M * daniel_hozac otherwise, networking is setup on the host or by tools (which run on the host). 1117328355 M * badiane no 1117328368 M * badiane what's ngnet 1117328401 M * badiane do you mean the ip tools 1117328439 J * eXplasm2 explasm@p549FD3BA.dip.t-dialin.net 1117328451 M * badiane I don't mind doing the routing in the host but where would I place the "automation" t 1117328504 M * badiane are the vservers brought up using ip tools by the host? 1117328550 M * badiane if so where during the process would I place the ip route command to add the gateway for the server being configured 1117328603 M * daniel_hozac why don't you set the routes when the host is being brought up, using whatever infrastructure your distro already has? 1117328773 M * badiane hmmmm 1117328792 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68.188.50.87 1117328819 M * badiane I have about 4 subnets on the same interface 1117328859 M * ntrs is anyone seeing weird dns problem all around the internet at this time? 1117328883 Q * explasm__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117328982 M * ntrs Hello? Is anyone seeing this? 1117329116 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@209.135.140.188 1117329168 M * daniel_hozac /ping ;) 1117329184 M * daniel_hozac but i haven't noticed any DNS problems. 1117329213 M * ntrs can you go to godaddy.com? 1117329260 M * daniel_hozac yup. 1117329334 M * ntrs if you click on my account is everything ok? 1117329360 M * ntrs If I click on any link there I get "www.godaddy.com cannot be found" 1117329510 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@68.188.50.87 1117329650 M * daniel_hozac works for me. 1117329893 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117329904 Q * ntrs__ Quit: Leaving 1117329932 Q * ntrs_ Quit: Leaving 1117329988 T * services.oftc.net http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.5, 2.0-rc2, ng9.5 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1117333064 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving 1117333569 Q * Vudumen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117334299 J * alex234 new@p54B3C3C7.dip.t-dialin.net 1117334342 Q * alex234 Remote host closed the connection 1117334544 Q * DaCa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117334576 J * alex234 ~alex234@p54B3C3C7.dip.t-dialin.net 1117334584 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1117334880 Q * alex234 Remote host closed the connection 1117339477 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1117339565 Q * lilo_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117343271 N * pusling_ pusling 1117346931 M * eyck hmm, 1117346935 M * eyck there is undelete for ext2 1117346961 M * eyck and it's vfat that zeroes first block AFAIK, not ext2 1117347199 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection 1117347209 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1117352893 Q * sebd Read error: Connection reset by peer 1117357150 N * Doener_zZz Doener 1117357158 M * Doener morning! 1117357773 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer 1117357930 M * DaPhreak morning Doener 1117357954 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1117358656 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@konilope.dyndns.org 1117358773 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1117359275 M * FaUl hello 1117359309 M * DaPhreak lo FaUl, Hollow 1117360748 M * id_lunch moring #vserver 1117360752 N * id_lunch id 1117362032 M * DaPhreak lo id 1117363952 M * eyck bye bye 1117363953 Q * eyck Quit: leaving 1117364347 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71 1117364976 Q * mugwump Read error: Connection reset by peer 1117366105 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu 1117366638 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection 1117366650 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1117366682 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1117366723 M * Bertl morning folks! 1117366804 M * romke morning Bertl 1117366824 M * FaUl hey bertl 1117367228 M * DaPhreak morning Bertl 1117367235 Q * aba Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117367253 M * DaPhreak romke, FaUl, and anyone else :) 1117367274 M * FaUl later :-) 1117367386 N * SNy_ SNy 1117368343 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net 1117368516 M * Doener Bertl: could you explain your idea for the multithreading bug testcase program again? 1117368520 M * Doener www.13thfloor.at/~doener/test.c 1117368564 M * Doener this is what i got... i modified it a few times, letting different threads sleep or work... no zombies... 1117368582 A * Bertl .o( hmm, why do folks always paste url fragments ;) 1117368592 M * Doener oh, oops... 1117368618 M * Doener i'm used to simply use the fragment in my browser and then copy'n'paste... 1117368648 M * Doener obviously it failed this time, because fx asked me to download the file (and thus didn't adjust the address)... 1117368649 M * Bertl hmm, maybe you should do some 'waiting' or such? 1117368694 M * Doener 'waiting' like ...? 1117368695 M * Bertl also we do not know if the join is a good idea 1117368715 M * Bertl waiting like: 1117368716 M * Bertl pthread_mutex_lock 1117368731 M * Bertl pthread_cond_wait 1117368748 M * Bertl maybe even signal handlers ... 1117368792 M * Bertl maybe it's easier to get mysql or friends to hang and see what they do/did 1117368823 M * Bertl Doener: but I'm also in the dark here ... never observed this yet 1117368829 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117368850 M * Doener tried with mysql a dozen times... heavy load, no load, no go... 1117368885 M * Bertl I'm pretty sure it requires SMP ... 1117368914 M * Bertl otherwise we would have observed it by accident 1117368959 M * Bertl but I won't spend too much time on it, probably rs can easily test this ... 1117370322 J * Asjamees ~Asjamees@84-50-17-90-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee 1117370328 M * Asjamees hi 1117370334 M * Asjamees anybody from USA? 1117370429 M * Bertl hmm, why? 1117370443 M * Asjamees I need help with T-Mobile 1117370542 M * Bertl aha ... how is that vserver related? 1117370566 M * Asjamees it isnt I think 1117370807 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251 1117370976 M * Bertl wb virtuoso! 1117372536 J * ghpolo ~polo@201.10.94.199 1117373726 M * Bertl welcome ghpolo! 1117373951 M * Doener back later 1117373954 N * Doener Doener|gone 1117374945 M * Bertl okay, unable to get something done atm ... back later ;) 1117374951 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1117375873 J * clc ~xxx@64.185.7.100 1117376347 M * clc hi 1117376367 N * clc clc1 1117379565 Q * ghpolo Read error: Connection reset by peer 1117380659 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@konilope.dyndns.org 1117381801 J * iMann ~eimann@rh-tec-gw.etherkiller.de 1117381821 M * iMann hi 1117382147 M * iMann ah, ok, fixed my chattr problem. a bit tricky but it works, i've changed it on the host system ;) 1117382154 M * iMann cu 1117382157 Q * iMann Quit: works 1117382357 J * Doener` ~doener@84.135.104.140 1117382761 Q * Doener|gone Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117383464 Q * Asjamees Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117384233 Q * DaCa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117384739 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1117386506 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1117387625 M * clc1 is vserver like xen 1117387636 M * DaPhreak mostly clc1 1117387663 M * clc1 whats mostly? 1117387676 M * clc1 : 1117387676 M * clc1 p 1117387727 M * id clc1, http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper 1117387904 M * clc1 hmm 1117388668 Q * matti Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117388779 J * matti matti@212.244.232.46 1117389218 J * ghpolo ~polo@201.10.94.199 1117390551 J * serving- ~serving@217.164.248.118 1117390824 Q * serving Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117390902 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1117391597 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176 1117391677 J * miller7 ~none@adsl16-49static.access.acn.gr 1117391685 M * miller7 hello guys 1117391739 J * kernel_okn ~root@85.97.156.18 1117392453 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1117392463 M * Bertl evening folks! 1117392478 M * miller7 Hello Bert 1117392521 M * Bertl hey mill! ;) 1117392529 M * miller7 :) 1117392546 M * miller7 Bert, have you seen Solaris 10 zones? 1117392583 M * Bertl seen no, heard/read yes ;) 1117392602 M * miller7 What do you think from what you heard/read? 1117392897 M * Bertl it's a compareable solution for solaris ... ;) 1117392912 M * miller7 I know that :) 1117392937 M * Bertl well, that's what I think ;) 1117392948 A * miller7 laughs 1117393321 M * ghpolo i havent read about vserver, so im sorry if this question has been asked 300 times ;p 1117393336 M * ghpolo is it possible to emulate distros inside vserver with a different kernel ? 1117393370 M * miller7 you need VMware or similar to run kernel 1117393379 M * ghpolo aw ;/ 1117393394 M * miller7 or you can use UML 1117393397 M * ghpolo yes 1117393398 M * miller7 or similar 1117393405 M * ghpolo but is there a version of uml for 2.6 ? 1117393411 M * miller7 I have no idea 1117393414 M * ghpolo im using xen actually 1117393439 M * miller7 You understand that you are not talking about virtualization but emulation 1117393469 M * ghpolo im not saying that i wanted xen to run domains with other kernels 1117393471 M * ghpolo ;p 1117393483 M * ghpolo i just didnt read what vserver is supposed to do, im sorry for that 1117393489 M * miller7 that's ok 1117393581 M * Bertl ghpolo: are those separate questions? or are they related? vserver - uml? 1117393600 M * ghpolo hmm 1117393610 M * ghpolo separated questions 1117393615 M * Bertl ghpolo: distros are mostley kernel agnostic ... 1117393643 M * Bertl you can take a 2.6.11.10 kernel and run from RH7.3 up to Suse 9.3 anything there ... 1117393657 M * ghpolo ah, that not what i meant 1117393675 M * Bertl that's the way linux vserver does it ... by using a generic kernel and a set of specific distros 1117393683 M * ghpolo yes 1117393685 M * ghpolo basically like xen 1117393691 M * ghpolo but what i wanted to do is: 1117393697 M * Bertl like xen without the kernel overhead 1117393697 M * ghpolo after i run vserver, or xen0 1117393709 M * ghpolo i could run a base img with other kernel different of xenU 1117393714 M * ghpolo or whatever vserver does 1117393738 M * Bertl yep, that's what you _can_ do with uml or xen .. but not with vserver, because we intentionally avoid the kernel overhead 1117393747 M * ghpolo you cant do that with xen 1117393756 M * ghpolo you need to run base img with xenU kernel 1117393772 M * ghpolo base img, i mean, a distro base img 1117393782 M * miller7 ghpolo: Your question is already answered 1117393787 M * ghpolo yes 1117393788 M * Bertl well, for xen you always need a modified kernel, like for UML 1117393808 M * ghpolo uml does what i want 1117393814 M * ghpolo but i dont think there is a port to 2.6 1117393827 M * Bertl UML is included in 2.6 kernels 1117393830 M * ghpolo i just wanted to know if vserver could do the same, but i got the answer already ;p 1117393859 M * miller7 Is there a specific reason you want to run kernels? 1117393868 M * ghpolo testing purposes 1117393878 M * Bertl do you plan on 'testing' kernels? 1117393889 M * miller7 boot your box with different partitions 1117393894 M * ghpolo yes 1117393901 M * ghpolo but then i need to reboot every time.. 1117393902 M * miller7 why emulate 1117393907 M * ghpolo i wanted to cut these reboots 1117393910 M * miller7 ic 1117393916 M * Bertl ghpolo: what kind of tests? 1117393920 M * ghpolo i dont know yet ;p 1117393924 M * ghpolo maybe something for fun 1117393929 M * miller7 it takes more time to start a UML box rather than reboot the physical box :) 1117393943 A * miller7 smells some hacking involved 1117394001 M * ghpolo what meaning of "hacking" ? 1117394011 M * miller7 never mind 1117394030 M * ghpolo im not evil hacker ;p 1117394039 M * miller7 If you want to test stuff then best solution for you is to run the kernel as normal 1117394045 M * ghpolo probably 1117394046 M * miller7 without emulating or running on top of other kernel 1117394061 J * kjo ~krischan@p5484E35C.dip.t-dialin.net 1117394063 M * miller7 because your tests by nature will be not good 1117394081 M * Bertl welcome kjo! 1117394082 M * ghpolo but uml can do that, or not ? 1117394106 M * miller7 no, UML still is another one layer 1117394111 M * Bertl ghpolo: you _can_ boot different kernel in UML, but they need to be modified (recompiled for UM arch) 1117394120 M * ghpolo ok 1117394123 M * ghpolo thanks 1117394143 M * Bertl you can boot unmodified kernels with QEMU or VMware 1117394149 M * ghpolo yes 1117394155 M * ghpolo but vmware isnt opensource anymore 1117394164 M * Bertl but QEMU is ;) 1117394168 M * ghpolo yes ;p 1117394202 M * miller7 again, VMware does not fully support everything 1117394220 M * miller7 it emulates the pci cards etc 1117394538 Q * kjo Quit: Verlassend 1117394601 M * Bertl miller7: hmm, yeah, what else should it do ;) 1117394629 M * miller7 well then it's not good for testing kernel stuff then 1117394687 M * Bertl depends on _what_ you want to test ... pci card drivers? 1117394705 M * Bertl if the emulation is sufficient for some cards, it will allow even that 1117394719 M * miller7 VMWare and such many times do not even boot new kernele 1117394721 M * miller7 kernels 1117394752 M * Bertl yup, that's a different issue ... 1117394773 M * Bertl but OTOH, not every system boots your kernel either ... 1117394809 M * Bertl but don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating VMware ;) 1117394814 M * miller7 :) 1117394842 M * Bertl so do you use solaris slices/zones/whatever? 1117394853 M * miller7 nope 1117394857 M * miller7 a colleague does 1117394876 M * miller7 I use old version of vserver in 2.4 kernels :) 1117395114 Q * alexx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117395199 M * clc1 wow vmware used to be open source? 1117395209 M * miller7 nope 1117395218 M * miller7 it just had a pre release version 1 for linux 1117395224 M * miller7 which had some source 1117395225 M * clc1 oic 1117395232 M * miller7 if I recall correctly 1117395241 M * miller7 still needed keys and registration etc 1117395255 M * miller7 and it gave a free key for limited time or whatever 1117395262 M * miller7 this is many years back 1117395319 M * clc1 so is xen like vmware? 1117395340 M * miller7 XEN is OS 1117395370 M * clc1 hmm 1117395488 M * Bertl xen is a hypervisor ... 1117395509 M * clc1 what is vserver? 1117395530 M * Bertl vserver is application level virtualization and isolation 1117395562 M * Bertl the perfect combination of 'secure chroot' and process/network isolation as a matter of fact 1117395580 M * miller7 indeed 1117395634 M * Bertl plus some sugar (virtualization of certain values in 2.6) 1117395671 M * miller7 also it provides unification 1117395683 M * miller7 which is very nice (though I don't use it) 1117395968 M * albeiro and best support in OS ;) 1117396068 M * ghpolo i will run vserver some time this week 1117396240 M * clc1 unification of what? 1117396288 M * Bertl it's a way of using hard linked files to share common executables and libraries among different servers 1117396300 M * Bertl (a secure way that is ;) 1117396309 M * clc1 ah yes i like that idea 1117396393 M * clc1 could i use nsupdate so i dont have to manually edit zone files, or is it not for that? 1117396439 M * albeiro it provides more than just disk space savings. it will also save you some memory 1117397522 M * romke how after su on someone's account can I attach to his screen session? (I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check." message...) 1117397551 M * Bertl vserver or not, logon or not? 1117397608 M * romke inside vserver guest, logon 1117397638 M * Bertl really logon, not 'enter'? 1117397675 M * Bertl (i.e. telnet, ssh, etc) 1117397787 M * romke Bertl: yes, ssh on host, su - on another account 1117397966 M * romke Bertl: I think it's because TTY setting is set to su'ed shell (even if I unset TTY) 1117398049 M * Bertl chmod a+rw `tty` 1117398073 M * Bertl but it's easier to 'attach' as root ;) 1117398103 M * romke Bertl: oh, thx 1117398125 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1117398128 M * Bertl back later ... 1117398130 Q * kernel_okn Quit: Leaving 1117398134 M * romke Bertl: i tried attach as root but it gives me 'private' on this session and does not allow to attach 1117398152 M * Bertl screen -d, screen -r 1117398172 M * Bertl hmm, -D actually ... 1117398212 M * Bertl i.e. somebody is using the screen session atm ... 1117398241 M * DaCa screen -xRR ? 1117398245 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1117398297 M * romke -D does not work 1117398393 M * romke ok, did what I had to by chmod a+rw `tty` 1117401097 Q * ghpolo Remote host closed the connection 1117403529 Q * serving- Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1117404187 P * miller7 1117404731 Q * tchan Quit: leaving 1117404770 J * tchan ~tchan@24.13.81.164 1117404781 Q * tchan Quit: 1117404836 J * tchan ~tchan@24.13.81.164 1117405883 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176 1117406297 J * ciphernaut ~a@61.88.18.130 1117408872 J * hwarrier hwarrier@216.100.137.145 1117409290 M * hwarrier hi, I am trying to setup vserver on debian-sarge. Need to use interface lo or dummy0 for the vservers (going to share one external IP for portforward various ports to various vservers). Can anyone point me to a howto? tia. 1117409858 Q * hwarrier Ping timeout: 480 seconds