1115079158 M * Doener interesting... this time i tried it with aptrpm inside the vserver... seems it has forgotten about all the packages i installed... 1115079171 M * Doener s/i installed/the vserver tools installed/ 1115079203 M * Bertl yup, that's what I observed too 1115079290 M * Doener btw, to get it working with aptrpm, add "extras" to the end of the sources.list entry (for fc3) then use vapt-get to install apt... 1115079562 M * Doener oh, and you have to install rpm, too... 1115079750 M * Doener Bertl: anyways... we were talking about a plan for util-vserver... ;) 1115079934 M * Bertl yup ... 1115080105 M * Bertl so I'd suggest we clean up the todo list and start fixing issues/extending things there 1115080195 M * Doener agreed 1115080277 M * Bertl well, I have to admit that doesn't sound like a great, catchy plan ... but I was never good at that ;) 1115080286 M * Doener me neither ;9 1115080306 M * Bertl so it's probably just starting fixing things ... 1115080318 M * Doener ANYONE IN HERE WHO'S GOOD AT PLANNING STUFF? *crying for help* :) 1115080433 A * Bertl is currently updating the test machine to allow for 0.30.207 build ... 1115081074 M * Bertl maybe we should start with some analysis of the tools themselves 1115081086 M * Doener i'll do an update to the todo list..ok 1115081104 M * Doener hmm... i should read what i have already typed before hitting enter... 1115081116 M * Doener forget the part about the todo list... 1115081154 M * Bertl nah go ahead update it 1115081191 M * Doener personality stuff is added you said? 1115081219 M * Bertl yup, just making troubles on some archs 1115081230 M * Bertl archs/distros ... because of missing headers 1115081248 M * Bertl but I guess this will be fixed up by enrico 1115081650 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1115081669 M * Bertl morning sam! 1115081678 M * Doener hey sam 1115081693 M * mugwump hello! ah what a delight it is to be greeted by three fantastic minds straight after I log in 1115081726 A * Bertl .o( hmm, he's probably counting himself too :) 1115081850 M * mugwump :-P more than one channel 1115081863 P * mugwump 1115081874 M * Bertl hmm ... 1115081875 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1115081875 M * Doener hmm... 1115081877 M * mugwump ook 1115081883 M * Bertl ook? 1115081906 M * mugwump Onomatapaeia for a monkey 1115081920 M * Bertl hey mugwump, wanna join the 'improve util-vserver' league? 1115081927 M * mugwump er, Onomatopoeia 1115081943 M * Doener yeah, we need somebody who can do plans ;) 1115081954 M * Bertl the former sounded more 'original' ;) 1115081975 M * mugwump will I need to bring chickens to the initiation rites? 1115081992 M * Bertl no, but you can, if you like ... 1115081998 J * hillct ~hillct@65.76.245.91 1115082009 M * Bertl welcome hillct! 1115082019 M * Doener hi hillct 1115082055 J * eXplasm2 ~explasm@p549FF4BF.dip.t-dialin.net 1115082062 M * hillct Bertl! 1115082067 M * Bertl hey eXplasm2! 1115082068 M * hillct Doener 1115082078 A * Bertl .o( looks like a working brigade ;) 1115082111 M * Bertl too good to be true ;) 1115082194 Q * eXplasm Read error: Operation timed out 1115082251 M * hillct well, the vservers are working perfectly 1115082264 M * Bertl oh no! ;) 1115082270 M * hillct thanks for all your help over the past 3 months 1115082320 M * hillct I do have a stupid unix question totally unrelated to vservers 1115082346 M * Bertl yup? 1115082358 M * hillct is there a way to get a tarball that preserves soft links as links rather than storing the target file in the tarball? 1115082402 M * mugwump that should be the default! I think `h' is the option that turns that behaviour on 1115082425 M * mugwump the `tar --help' page is a bit ... long :) 1115082486 M * hillct yah 1115082497 M * Doener i'd prefer the manpage anyways for that one... 1115082499 A * hillct tries a few things 1115082507 M * Doener manpage: -h, --dereference 1115082507 M * Doener don't dump symlinks; dump the files they point to 1115082515 M * hillct manpage is rather unhelpful as well 1115082520 M * Doener --help: -h, --dereference dump instead the files symlinks point to 1115082558 M * hillct maybe I just have a broken tar 1115082568 A * hillct tries again 1115082570 M * mugwump or some crazy person has made an alias for tar 1115082585 M * hillct in my vserver that I built an hour ago 1115082616 M * mugwump well, sometimes the impossible has a coherancy to it that the merely improbably simply lacks 1115082627 M * hillct true 1115082638 M * hillct I may discover that I have multiple personality disorder 1115082641 M * hillct ;) 1115082659 A * hillct goes with the broken tar theory 1115082677 A * hillct compiles tar from source 1115082809 A * mugwump grabs a vs2.0-pre4 to kill time while the league of extraordinary vserver developers waits on its first speaker 1115082847 M * Bertl ah, okay so we shall speak up ... 1115082865 M * Bertl well, we came to the conclusion that we have to 'improve' util-vserver for 2.0 1115082871 M * Bertl ... drastically. 1115082903 M * Bertl so we decided to hack into util-vserver 0.30.207 improving this and that 1115082913 M * mugwump sure. how about loading it into openfoundry and giving everyone interested commit access? 1115082918 A * hillct votes for integration of the vdlimit functionality into the config tree 1115082930 M * Bertl mugwump: can you do that? 1115082941 M * mugwump I think so, sec 1115083056 M * Doener hm, .207 is the first since 0.23.6 to get an entry in NEWS... and it reads "large revamping"... has to have really important changes... 1115083162 M * hillct yup 1115083165 M * hillct broken tar 1115083174 M * hillct recompiled and it works like a champ 1115083193 M * hillct cd ../.. 1115083195 M * hillct d'oh 1115083263 M * Bertl happens! 1115083278 M * hillct yah 1115083706 M * mugwump ok, I've submitted a request to use openfoundry.org servers for this... it's not pending approval 1115083714 M * mugwump s/not/now/ :) 1115083734 M * Bertl ETA according to your feelings? 1115083763 M * Bertl s/feelings/*/ 1115083765 M * mugwump Should be pretty quick actually, given it's 9:30am in Taiwan 1115083834 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115083839 M * Bertl okay, so what's next? ;) 1115083924 M * mugwump do we have a wishlist to discuss perhaps? 1115083936 M * Doener we have http://linux-vserver.org/ToDo+List+Tools 1115083962 M * Bertl and a bunch of bugreports (most of them filed by myself) 1115084041 M * mugwump I've just added the item " * A nice tool for tracking and controlling vserver resources 1115084045 M * mugwump " 1115084070 M * mugwump I'm thinking something along the lines of sar 1115084111 M * mugwump Although maybe it would need some extra integration to track network activity via iptables. 1115084136 M * mugwump (ie, mark/accounting rules in the tables) 1115084189 M * Doener *LOL* 1115084205 M * Doener i just found out, why the vserver's rpm forgets about all the packages 1115084231 M * Doener rpmis configured to use /.rpmdb, but all the state stuff is copied to /var/lib/rpm by the tools 1115084707 M * Doener ah, well... ensc answered that in the bug report a few hours ago... another hour wasted... ;) 1115084723 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1115084860 M * mugwump so, where are these known bugs Bertl, are any of them worth contemplating? 1115084866 M * mugwump (now, that is)? 1115084874 M * Doener http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?group=util-vserver 1115084882 M * mugwump aha 1115084937 M * mugwump so, anyway. If we do switch to using openfoundry for this project, you'll all have to learn Subversion 1115084949 M * mugwump Fortunately this is dead simple if you're used to CVS 1115084967 A * Doener uses subversion for his stuff anyway... 1115084979 A * Bertl uses subversion too ... 1115084984 M * mugwump oh, great 1115084985 M * Doener actually i've only used cvs once... and i relied on eclipse's cvs support back then ;) 1115085009 M * mugwump well, if anyone is a CVS user still, then http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/apa.html would be a good place to point them to 1115085228 M * mugwump ok, what about a test suite... has anyone put thought towards some harness for building vserver kernels inside xen/plex86/whatever and testing out features? 1115085256 M * mugwump Having a nice place for people who are just learning to be able to add tests might really help focus feature development 1115085357 M * mugwump heck, with enough of those magic remote reboot devices of Bertl's it could be automated for real hardware, too! :) 1115085401 M * Bertl kernel testing is done at an acceptable level 1115085428 M * Bertl i.e. we use qemu and several real machines for 'kernel' testing 1115085461 M * Bertl but sure, a test suite is something we have talked about 1115085517 M * mugwump I want to be able to type "make kerneltest", walk out the door and see what features have worked. 1115085526 M * mugwump (after I come back ;)) 1115085539 M * Bertl well, that's _almost_ done 1115085573 M * Bertl qemu is booting vserver kernels on the console with arbitrary userspace images 1115085594 M * Bertl i.e. specifying a test script/tool as init will do that 1115085602 M * Bertl for example testme.sh 1115085850 P * hillct 1115085947 M * mugwump http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/?Queue=332 # and it's there! 1115085996 M * mugwump I'm just importing the util-vserver versions into it. Does anyone care about intra-version history, or should I just import the release versions? 1115086100 M * Bertl guess release versions should do ... 1115086240 M * Bertl ah, finally managed to update my system so much that the tools compile ;) 1115086277 M * Doener and i got a complete fc3 vserver by now :) 1115086287 M * Doener well, it's not cleaned up yet... 1115086323 M * Bertl okay, I thought about adding something like debootstrap and rpmstrap to the tools? what do you think about that? 1115086359 M * Bertl this way the 'build' could work without depending on addon tools? 1115086403 M * Doener hmm... 1115086417 M * Doener for debian vservers for example you'd need dpkg anyways... 1115086418 M * Bertl (maybe a little extreme .. yes ..) 1115086425 M * Doener why not use debootstrap, too? 1115086450 M * Bertl well, we can use it where it is present .. no? 1115086477 M * Bertl I mean, how to realistically create a debian vserver guest on fc3? 1115086505 M * Doener hm... not sure i understand what you mean... 1115086518 M * Bertl okay, you got linux-vserver kernel installed ... 1115086529 M * Bertl testme.sh works _great_ ... ;) 1115086542 M * Bertl now you want to setup your first guest ... 1115086562 M * Bertl hmm, which distro should I take? ... 1115086586 M * Bertl and currently it boils down to .. use your root system ... 1115086606 M * Bertl because building _any_ distro will probably fail ... 1115086622 M * Doener hmm... the tools fetch at least debootstrap for you, if you don't have it... 1115086623 M * Bertl host: debian -> guest: debian 1115086634 M * Doener i had zero problems with building debian vservers on a gentoo host... 1115086638 M * Bertl host: fc3 -> guest: maybe fc2,fc3 1115086648 M * Bertl Doener: how? 1115086656 M * Doener and after installing aptrpm, i could also create a fc3 vserver without problems... 1115086668 M * Doener vserver bla build -m debootstrap.... 1115086684 M * Bertl okay, but that means that you have debootstrap available, no? 1115086719 M * Bertl for example I didn't manage to get a non-binary debootstrap for fc2/3 ... 1115086746 M * Doener because the tools fetched it... it is not available in my host system... 1115086752 M * mugwump it's a bit mental that debootstrap doesn't really install at all well on its own :) 1115086776 M * mugwump I've downloaded the .deb and unpacked it with `ar x' and tar in the past 1115086794 M * mugwump Dpkg++ # it's just an ar archive! 1115086824 M * Bertl okay, okay, but does that mean that I do not need debootstrap to install debian servers with debootstrap? 1115086829 A * Bertl is confused ... 1115086842 M * Doener see scripts/vserver-build.debootstrap -> function findDebootstrap 1115086857 M * Doener if it is not available the tools fetch it, unpack it into a temporary location and use that 1115086918 M * Bertl okay, so why do I need apt then for example? 1115086950 M * Doener for building a fc vserver? 1115086975 M * Bertl yeah, but it seems to be required on the host (installed that is) 1115087001 M * Bertl what if I want to install a redhat server on debian? 1115087019 M * Bertl do the tools fetch some rpm/yum/apt-rpm package to install? 1115087037 M * Doener only rpm build method works (probably never tried)... aptrpm conflicts with debian's apt... 1115087047 M * Bertl if so, why are so many debian folks desperately trying to install rpm? 1115087085 M * Doener i guess the point is, that the tools try to manage all the packages from the outside and thus you need those tools outside the vserver 1115087123 M * Bertl and I think that's somewhat suboptimal ... 1115087155 M * Bertl I would think of something like this: (please stop me if I'm going too far) 1115087184 M * Bertl you decide to create a vserver guest for distro X 1115087197 M * Bertl distro X uses the package tool Y 1115087222 M * Bertl and there is a known repository/dir/whatever for distro X where tool Y can install from 1115087245 M * mugwump ok, hands up who wants an openfoundry invite to util-vserver 1115087256 M * Doener oh, and debootstrap does actually work withouth dpkg/apt... it's really a from-scratch thing. probably just ar and tar are required 1115087262 M * Bertl \o/ 1115087278 M * Doener \o/ 1115087279 M * Doener | 1115087283 M * Doener \ 1115087284 M * mugwump Doener: wie heisst du in RL? 1115087293 M * Doener damn slashes... 1115087302 M * mugwump oder was ist deine emailaddress :) 1115087310 M * Doener Bjoern Steinbrink 1115087311 M * Bertl now the tools go and fetch the source for tool Y, build it on the host system, install it into a read-only mini root 1115087359 A * mugwump throws his voice. \o/ 1115087372 M * Bertl from this 'install' system all package caches and such are maintained, and the new vservers get installed from there 1115087378 A * mugwump throws his voice. \o/ 1115087413 M * Bertl what about jacques? 1115087420 M * mugwump good point 1115087509 M * mugwump anyone have his e-mail address handy? 1115087551 M * Bertl Jacques Gelinas 1115087658 M * mugwump ok, you should all be getting an e-mail with instructions 1115087761 M * mugwump I'm still figuring out how to import the two branches :) 1115087886 A * mugwump imports util-vserver 0.27 to http://svn.openfoundry.org/utilvserver/trunk 1115088285 M * mugwump I'm calling the old versions "legacy", the new (`alpha') ones will be plain "trunk" 1115088763 M * Bertl okay 1115088887 M * mugwump right, so is a .90 revision legacy or alpha? 1115088935 M * Doener hmm... if scripts/legacy exists it should be alpha... 1115088961 A * Doener never really understood the versioning.... 1115088994 M * mugwump must be old then 1115089331 M * Bertl wait, it's described somewhere ... 1115089351 M * Doener http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver 1115089356 M * mugwump does anyone else always type "vserver" when they mean to type "version"? 1115089362 M * Bertl The naming scheme of the tools is either x.y or x.y.z. When 1115089362 M * Bertl * z is missing, it is a stable release 1115089362 M * Bertl * z is small (<90), it is a development release of the stable branch 1115089362 M * Bertl * z is >=90 but <190, it is a release candidate of the stable branch 1115089362 M * Bertl * z is >=190, it is an experimental snapshot of the alpha branch 1115089373 M * mugwump k thx 1115089380 M * Doener mugwump: yup, happens regularly to me... 1115089433 M * mugwump It's like when I try to type "svn" I frequently type "svk" instead 1115089692 M * Bertl wow, that's really a bunch of clauses ... 1115089865 M * mugwump I assume they're all good, but that's largely a personal trust decision with the people involved 1115089933 M * mugwump if you have any questions now's the time to ask though 1115089980 M * ciphernaut 42 :) 1115090002 M * Bertl yeah, worked myself through them .. seem okay to me, although IANAL ;) 1115090093 M * mugwump ok, I've got a script to import the alpha versions... working through them now, will probably take me half an hour to get them all in 1115090124 M * Bertl great! 1115090585 M * Doener hmm... still waiting for the mail to arrive... 1115090717 M * mugwump can you check your mail server for delivery attempts perhaps? I'd rather not go to the admins empty-handed... 1115090768 M * Bertl worked fine here ... 1115090929 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115091136 M * Doener ah got it now 1115091243 Q * lilo Quit: bbiab 1115092156 M * mugwump that half hour is up, but I'm still going :) 1115092161 M * mugwump see http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Source/index.html/utilvserver/browse/releases/ 1115092413 M * Bertl hmm, are they in the 'proper' order? 1115092714 M * Doener looks like... 1115092730 M * Doener we should have a 'legacy' and a 'trunk' history now... 1115092825 M * Doener hmm... interesting... NEWS always said "large revamping" for the then current version... 1115092845 M * mugwump Yes ... each commit has lots and lots of changed files 1115092864 M * mugwump I'm completely ignoring the fact that the two streams were developed somewhat in concert 1115092884 M * mugwump however, I'm making sure renames are tracked 1115092891 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1115092953 M * Bertl 'cause of the missing branch (no offense meant) here is the first patch ... 1115092983 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-vserver-bertl01.diff 1115093005 M * Bertl it adds dummies where we want functionality ... 1115093327 M * Bertl okay, folks ... I guess I'm off to bed now ... hopefully this is going into the right direction ... 1115093377 M * mugwump sleep well ! It will all be imported when you wake 1115093393 M * Bertl Doener: can you make a short posting on the ml, stating that we 'initiated' this to help enrico improving the tools? 1115093419 M * Bertl (you can blame it all on me ;) 1115093488 M * Bertl well, off to bed ... cya! 1115093499 M * mugwump I can do that if you're a bit low on brainpower at this time of night, Doener 1115093517 M * Bertl thanks a lot to all of you! 1115093529 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1115093571 Q * Shuri Read error: Connection reset by peer 1115093581 M * Doener mugwump: would be great... not because i'm low on brain, but because i'm low on food, need to get breakfast :) 1115093730 M * Doener i'm gone then... cya tomorrow! have a good day/night/$YOUR_CHOICE_HERE 1115093735 N * Doener Doener|gone 1115094221 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1115095827 M * mugwump It really astounds me the amount of work Enrico has put into util-vserver, each one of these revisions changes tons and tons of files 1115099595 N * Doener|gone Doener 1115099699 M * Doener mugwump: still checking in? 1115099726 M * mugwump :) I'm up to 0.30.204 1115099743 M * Doener hey, almost finished 1115099761 M * Doener i sent some further explanations on the build method stuff to the ml 1115099766 M * mugwump cool 1115099805 M * Doener hmm... and an empty mail arrived.. 1115099825 M * mugwump so it did 1115099951 M * mugwump oh, shit. the reason every file is changing every revision is CVS revision IDs, I think. d'oh 1115100021 M * Doener hm, diff does not work at openfoundry... 1115100040 M * mugwump svn diff? or using the interface? 1115100049 M * Doener web-interface 1115100058 M * mugwump odd, is working here 1115100080 M * Doener operation failed: path does not exist at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/SVN/Web/Diff.pm bla bla bla 1115100089 M * mugwump url? 1115100095 M * Doener http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Source/index.html/utilvserver/diff/releases/0.30.203/INSTALL?rev1=102&rev2=111 1115100154 M * mugwump heh. use the one in trunk 1115100186 M * mugwump that interface isn't smart enough to look at renaming history 1115100252 M * mugwump eg http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Source/index.html/utilvserver/diff/trunk/INSTALL?rev1=102&rev2=112 1115100369 M * Doener hmmm... cvs revision id = $Id$ ? 1115100393 M * Doener if so, it shouldn't matter... only changes when the file is changed and committed... 1115100418 M * mugwump ok, not as bad as I thought then 1115100424 M * Doener histories also look good 1115100430 M * mugwump enrico really *has* been busy this past $time then 1115100505 M * Doener ok, the list obviously doesn't like my mail... 1115100528 M * mugwump ok, 0.30.207 is committed ... off to chansmartialarts.com for me 1115100596 M * Doener have fun! 1115102274 J * alef ~alef@fw.acsys.it 1115103192 N * Doener Doener|gone 1115104188 P * alef 1115104366 N * ciphernaut ciphernautZZ 1115105316 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1115105908 J * Vinz Vinz@209.172.40.245 1115106379 M * Vinz question : is it normal that passing from 2.4 to 2.6 version of linux-vserver changes the behavior of how network interfaces are configured? In 2.4 each vserver can only see it's own interface with ifconfig ... but in 2.6 i can see them all from a vserver 1115106448 M * Pazzo Vinz: you should set the hide_netif flag! 1115106493 M * Pazzo try: vattribute --set --xid --flag ^25 1115106518 M * Pazzo and immediately you shouldn't see the other ip's anymore inside vserver 1115106547 M * Pazzo you can also change this behaviour in the "flags" config file 1115106622 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com 1115106669 M * Pazzo Vinz: http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html -> search there for "flags" 1115106680 M * Vinz okay thanks 1115106838 M * Vinz it doesn't seem to be supported from the config file 1115106881 M * Vinz can't put it in S_FLAGS gives me an error 1115106914 M * Pazzo did "vattribute --set ..." work for you? 1115106956 M * Vinz still looking for a way to find the XID 1115106958 M * Vinz :) 1115106986 M * Pazzo vserver-stat 1115106991 M * Pazzo XID == context-id 1115107030 M * Vinz o 1115107031 M * Vinz k 1115107133 M * Vinz it works thanks 1115107149 M * Vinz now how can i make it work from the config 1115107177 M * Pazzo what did you write where in your config? 1115107201 M * Vinz tried to add hide_netif to S_FLAGS 1115107243 M * Vinz i got a irc conversation here from google 1115107254 M * Vinz where bertl says hide_netif is a flag 1115107255 M * Vinz nope, not supported in the config 1115107275 M * Vinz it's from February 1115107543 M * Pazzo Vinz: to be honest: I'm a little bit confused about these flags. time ago hide_netif wasn't available, and hiding network interfaces was the default behaviour 1115107559 M * Pazzo then hide_netif was added and disabled by default 1115107574 M * Pazzo so I've had to always change flags at runtime 1115107604 M * Pazzo (adding hide_netif worked with some utils and with others it didn't) 1115107630 M * Pazzo and now, with new utils and a new kernel it seems to be enabled by default again 1115107658 M * Pazzo what kernel / utils version are you using? 1115108008 M * Vinz util-vserver: 0.30.204; Apr 10 2005, 21:35:54 1115108026 M * Vinz I have Debian Kernel and Patch 2.6.8 1115108092 M * Pazzo Vinz: patch version? 1115108092 M * Vinz it seemed like hiding it was the default behavior ... and showing it broken email sending between vservers on the same machine 1115108122 M * Pazzo yep - mailservers will tell you "mail for ... loops back to myself" :-) 1115108140 M * Vinz from Debian package kernel-patch-vserver (1.9.5.3) 1115108169 M * Vinz the mail server thing is not very cool 1115108394 M * Pazzo Vinz: you can fix it immediately with "vattribute --set ..." - and then you better ask someone else for full explanation / details about why flags don't work with your setup 1115108496 M * Vinz i fixed it manually for all my vservers 1115108506 M * Vinz luckily i don't reboot this thing often 1115110196 J * terr ~nobody@ip-213-49-106-244.dsl.scarlet.be 1115110863 Q * Vinz Quit: 1115111068 J * MrX freebsd@218.208.213.221 1115112633 J * rs ~rs@staff.lycos.fr 1115112642 M * rs hi there 1115112703 Q * stupidawy Quit: Caught signal 11, Segmentation fault 1115112739 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115112777 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115113033 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115113076 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115113340 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115113376 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115113632 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115113678 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115113932 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115113978 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115114231 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115114277 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115114504 M * Pazzo hi rs! 1115114522 M * rs hi pazzo 1115114531 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115114577 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115114754 Q * kalou Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115114832 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115114876 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115114936 J * kalou ~kalou@80.13.75.117 1115115132 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115115177 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115115325 J * ruuth VooDoo@topas.informatik.uni-ulm.de 1115115341 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1115115431 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115115476 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115115539 M * ruuth Hi! I have a problem starting my vserver again after a server reboot. only "caching service dependencies" appears and then the prompt appears again and th vserver ist not started 1115115565 M * ruuth is there a startup-logfile I can look at? 1115115629 P * erwan_ho 1115115732 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115115776 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115116032 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115116077 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115116216 Q * mcp Read error: Operation timed out 1115116331 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115116385 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115116631 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115116677 Q * stupidawy Quit: 1115116931 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1115117944 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115118130 M * Pazzo rs: still alive? I'm running into trouble and found a discussion (you / Doener) in some irc log probably regarding my problem 1115118145 M * rs yeah ? 1115118152 J * livewire ~livewire@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1115118182 M * Pazzo rs: everything is fine with my self-made utils-debian package and vanilla kernel with 1.9.5.5.x 1115118209 M * Pazzo but as all I need is also to be found in sarge now I'm trying to switch to those packages 1115118237 M * rs hum could be a bad idea :) 1115118240 M * Pazzo I'm using utils x.y.204 from sarge, source-2.6.11 from sid and kernel-patch-vserver 1115118244 M * rs debian packages are odd to me 1115118250 M * Pazzo I'm running into the setsid - problem 1115118272 M * Pazzo rs: to me too ;o) that's why I'm using vanilla / selfmade debs atm 1115118303 M * rs I guess you have to patch the package with the error check removed on setsid 1115118306 M * Pazzo I wanted to give it a try once again as sarge packages starts to be good-looking :) 1115118327 M * aba Pazzo: I definitly hope that the sarge packages are good, as we will release with them ... 1115118359 M * Pazzo rs: what does delta-clrsid-feat02.diff (or -featXY.diff) do??? 1115118399 M * Pazzo aba: utils package looks really good - it's nearly the same as I've made them for my personal use the last months... 1115118419 M * rs it fix a reboot issue when you are using plain init style IIRC 1115118458 M * Pazzo ...I also started to give a look at the kernel-patch (not using 2.6.8 from sarge but 2.6.11 from sid) - and now ... we'll see ;-) 1115118541 M * Pazzo rs: I'm using plain init style - and I'm happy that I don't have to stop / start / reboot my vservers very often as it is kind of inpredictable 1115118602 M * Pazzo some irc log / ml subject I may search for? I'm interested in what this issue exactly is and what is going to be different with clrsid 1115118603 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1115118692 M * rs sometime your vserver can restart if you restart it from inside the vserver 1115118698 M * rs brb, I got to go 1115118753 M * Pazzo cu, thnx 1115118850 M * Pazzo ?? shouldn't in always work like this -> rs: sometime your vserver can restart if you restart it from inside the vserver 1115118856 M * Pazzo s/in/it/ 1115119059 M * ruuth Hi! I have a problem starting my vserver again after a server reboot. only "caching service dependencies" appears and then the prompt appears again and th vserver ist not started 1115119065 M * ruuth is there a startup-logfile I can look at? 1115119179 Q * rs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115119778 M * Pazzo ruuth: you can do "strace vserver xy start" - and maybe provide some additional information about your system (gentoo? kernel version? utils?) 1115119794 M * Pazzo I have to leave now, will be back later 1115119800 N * Pazzo PazZzzzooo 1115119879 M * PazZzzzooo ruuth: google is your friend... maybe http://vds.pas-mal.com/irclogs/vserver-log.20050319.html can help you? 1115119916 M * ruuth Pazzo: thank you! 1115120576 M * ruuth PazZzzzooo: strace sais someting like RTNETLINK answers: File exists 1115121093 M * ruuth PazZzzzooo: Ok. Fount the RTNETLINK ... interface was up after starting th vserver - but that's not making it any better :( 1115121941 N * PazZzzzooo Pazzo 1115121942 M * Pazzo re 1115122053 M * Pazzo ruuth: try to run http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh-0.12 - do all tests succeed? 1115124740 M * wurd hi, is there any other solution than 'apt-rpm' when it comes to building a vserver ? 1115124888 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1115124902 M * daniel_hozac most of them depending on your host's distribution ;) 1115124908 M * wurd its fc3 1115125275 M * daniel_hozac so, at least yum and rpm should work as well. 1115125314 M * wurd so i can find a yum repository and use something like " vserver name build -m yum" 1115125315 M * wurd ? 1115125544 M * daniel_hozac yep. 1115125611 M * wurd are there yum repositories that contain all needed packages for building a whole linux in a vserver? 1115125624 M * wurd like a complete functionnal linux with a gui 1115125638 M * wurd independant from the host's 1115125732 M * daniel_hozac sure, installing an FC3 guest should be very simple. 1115126472 J * rs ~rs@staff.lycos.fr 1115126537 M * wurd whaty do you mean by fc3 "guest"? 1115126602 M * daniel_hozac guest == vserver. 1115126608 M * wurd oh ok. 1115126630 J * hillct ~hillct@client200-5.dsl.intrex.net 1115126657 M * hillct morning all 1115126663 A * hillct hugs vservers 1115126684 M * hillct one of ny new vservers got hacked into while I was setting it up 1115126690 M * hillct I love it 1115126710 M * hillct just shut it down, archive it and start again 1115126711 M * daniel_hozac masochist! :P 1115126795 M * hillct not an especially bright hacker though 1115126814 M * hillct password went right into the passwd file 1115126867 A * hillct does forensics later... 1115126899 M * hillct I love this stuff. talk about easy ecovery 1115126904 M * hillct easy recovery 1115127173 M * FaUl /last rs 1115127174 M * FaUl oh 1115128134 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1115128140 M * Bertl morning folks! 1115128182 M * aba Hi Bertl 1115128187 M * Bertl Pazzo: the secret (regarding flags) is that you both obviously use the 'legacy' config, which does not support most of the newer flags ... 1115128191 M * Bertl hey aba! 1115128371 M * FaUl just to be sure: that chbind should also restrict ping/connect to one ip, not only bind/listen, right? 1115128432 M * wurd daniel_hozac would you happen to know the adress of an apt-rpm repository i could use? 1115128479 M * daniel_hozac wurd: download.fedora.us 1115128488 M * wurd it contains everything? 1115128518 M * daniel_hozac Fedora Core and fedora.us/Extras. 1115128574 M * Bertl FaUl: connect is used to the _outside_ so it should not be restricted, no? ping is using icmp sockets and does build the packet itself so 'restrictions' are not really easy ... 1115128619 M * Bertl wurd: yep, I succeeded using fedora.us yesterday! 1115128690 M * rs hey bertl 1115128716 P * hillct 1115128727 M * Bertl hey rs! 1115128738 M * wurd great 1115128741 M * FaUl Bertl: hmm, then i've to debug why it does not work for me 1115128750 M * wurd did you install the gui and everything else? 1115128761 Q * terr uranium.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1115128767 M * Bertl FaUl: any details _what_ doesn't work? maybe even some details of your setup? 1115128853 M * FaUl Bertl: linux 2.4.30-vs-1.2.10 with i2c, lmsensors and device-mapper patches on an SMP-systems with a few vlans, each for one vserver 1115128873 M * ruuth Pazzo: I run the script - all tests passed. 1115128892 J * terr ~nobody@ip-213-49-106-244.dsl.scarlet.be 1115128929 M * FaUl Bertl: if i doo chbind --ip 192.168.30.2 telnet 192.168.42.101 20 1115128932 M * FaUl i get 1115128940 M * FaUl ipv4root is now 192.168.30.2 1115128940 M * FaUl Trying 192.168.42.101... 1115128940 M * FaUl telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused 1115128952 M * Bertl FaUl: ah, okay, on stable you can not ping without giving CAP_NET_RAW ... 1115128971 M * FaUl ah, found the problem :) 1115128994 M * Bertl /etc/hosts.allow 1115128995 M * FaUl i think 1115129070 M * daniel_hozac port 20? FTP data? 1115129138 M * FaUl daniel_hozac: just to test, should be connection refused but i see what comes via tcpdump 1115129141 M * FaUl on the other host 1115129145 M * FaUl seems to be a routingproblem :) 1115129170 M * FaUl and a packet-filtering problem too :) 1115129187 M * Bertl wurd: no, just basic stuff + cvs,svn,sshd 1115129279 M * Bertl ruuth: telling from your information, you vserver guest doesn't leave any services running ... 1115129293 M * Bertl s/you/your/ 1115129325 M * Bertl ruuth: this makes the context disappear right after startup, with configured interfaces ... 1115129345 M * ruuth Bertl: Hi! The vserver worked a few weeks ago with sshd, samba and network 1115129353 M * Bertl gentoo? 1115129361 M * ruuth Bertl: yes. 1115129380 M * Bertl then you have to remove those 'I'm started' files for the services by hand ;) 1115129408 M * Bertl see irc logs or mailing list for details (somewhere in /var/*) 1115129416 M * daniel_hozac /var/lib/init.d/* IIRC. 1115129568 M * ruuth daniel_hozac: in my /vservers//var/lib/init.d ? 1115129585 M * Bertl yup 1115129598 M * Pazzo hi Bertl! 1115129603 M * ruuth Bertl: "rm" everything? 1115129626 M * Bertl check if it is the right path 1115129672 M * ruuth Bertl: i see checkroot- clocl- hostname- .... in there 1115129691 M * ruuth s/clocl/clock/ 1115129784 M * ruuth bertl: is this the right dir? 1115129802 M * daniel_hozac ruuth: looks like. 1115129811 M * daniel_hozac (from IRC logs) 1115129934 M * coruptkid does anyone konw any good debian channels? 1115129955 M * coruptkid hello by the way :-) 1115129977 M * ruuth Thanks guys! my vserver ist up and running again ... 1115129995 M * ruuth you're great! 1115130588 M * Pazzo Bertl: thnx for your reply - what do you mean by "legacy config"? the old one-file config? tha _LEGACY stuff in kernel .config? 1115130700 J * Shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net 1115130779 M * ruuth Another question: I want to create a vserver-template; how can I keep the required diskspace as minimal as possible? If I emerge the portagetree into every vserver, they get pretty big; ~1GB I think 1115131045 M * Bertl Pazzo: the old one file config 1115131101 M * Bertl ruuth: well, 'usually' you do so by cleaning up the template by hand ... 1115131136 M * Bertl don't know how the disk space consumption of gentoo is, but a working mandrake server ssh/mail/apache uses about 150-200M max ... 1115131166 M * ruuth Bertl: mine is at 1.1G at the moment :( 1115131264 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115131349 M * Pazzo Bertl: no, I'm using nothing but alpha-utils 1115131489 M * Bertl and those do not understand hide_netif as flag? 1115131493 J * mep mep@p5091E23A.dip.t-dialin.net 1115131509 M * Bertl (or am I mixing up somehting?) 1115131518 M * Bertl welcome mep! 1115131635 M * mep hi 1115131651 M * mep the documentaion for the alpha stuff really suxx :( 1115131686 M * Bertl mep you know what a wiki is? 1115131700 M * mep sure 1115131710 M * mep and anyway i'm confused ;) 1115131722 M * Bertl go ahead, add useful stuff! 1115131790 M * Pazzo Bertl: right - but that's not really a problem for me. flags (first of all hide_netif) are a little bit confusing: 1115131850 M * wurd Bertl download.fedora.us is one of the default repositories for building a vserver, right ? 1115131864 M * Pazzo - I have some hosts with something around 2.6.9, older alpha-utils - config file doesn't work, vattribute does the job 1115131875 M * wurd i just realized i used downooad.fedora.us for the vservers i built in the past 1115131884 M * Pazzo - with some 2.6.11 rc config works 1115131892 M * wurd and, well, there arent a lot of installed packages 1115131894 M * wurd in those 1115131914 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1115131920 M * Pazzo - on 2.6.11-vs1.9.5.5.x with utils 204 it seems that hide_netif is enabled by default 1115131922 M * wurd what i would need is a complete, functional linux, preferably with gui 1115132072 M * Pazzo Bertl: today I tried to give a second chance to sarge packages (time ago I was using debian sources with vs patch - but very soon I switched to vanilla sources :) 1115132093 M * Pazzo Bertl: utils package is fine, not very different from my personal one 1115132116 M * mep hm i used the vserver-build script for building a vserver but i have forgotten to add the network stuff 1115132120 M * mep how i must add this? 1115132133 M * Pazzo (there is /var/lib/vservers instead of /vservers and I wasn't using dietlibc - but the rest is more or less equal) 1115132188 M * Pazzo Bertl: now I tried out kernel-patch-vserver with sid's 2.6.11 sources - compiles fine, boots, testme-12 is ok... but then I run into some setsid trouble 1115132210 M * Pazzo found some irc log - but not really an answer I was able to understand 1115132257 M * Pazzo debian uses 1.9.5.12 - seems that there is the delta-clrsid patch which hasn't been in 1.9.5.5.x - is that right? 1115132276 M * Pazzo rs told me that it fixes a reboot issue with initstyle plain 1115132309 M * daniel_hozac wurd: use vapt-get install gnome-panel or something like that. 1115132316 N * Doener|gone Doener 1115132335 M * Doener hey folks 1115132345 M * Pazzo mep: ... --netdev eth0 --interface 1.2.3.4/24 ... 1115132348 M * Pazzo hi Doener!!! 1115132362 M * mep and without rebuilding ? 1115132417 M * Pazzo mep: /etc/vservers/vsname/interfaces/ -> and have a look at the flower page 1115132437 M * Pazzo or /etc/vservers/other_working_vs/interfaces/ 1115132440 M * mep omg not the flower page ;( 1115132449 M * Pazzo omg? 1115132459 M * mep the colors makes me crazy 1115132459 M * Pazzo oh my god? 1115132463 M * mep yes 1115132466 M * Pazzo *gg* 1115132492 M * Pazzo just disable styles (if you are using a piece of software worth to be called internet browser ;-) 1115132582 M * Pazzo mep: (-> it's possible to select one of 5 different stylesheets) 1115132613 M * mep yes i found the option 1115132614 M * mep thx dude 1115132619 M * mep thats so much better! 1115132644 Q * livewire Quit: Verlassend 1115132670 M * Pazzo :) 1115132797 M * wurd daniel_hozac how can i make my vserver have a gui ? 1115132937 M * Pazzo wurd: depends from how you would like to access your gui - running vnc would be an option 1115132996 M * Pazzo or NX 1115133099 M * wurd i'll go with vnc 1115133250 M * wurd so..&? 1115133289 M * wurd do you know how i can make this work? 1115133983 M * SiD3WiNDR yea, by reading the vnc manual :p 1115134008 M * wurd um 1115134046 M * wurd so youre telling me that only with this simple command "vserver fedoracore3 build -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.16/16-- -d fc3 1115134048 M * wurd " 1115134065 M * wurd a complete linux (with gui) will be built ? 1115134096 M * ComplexHo Pazzo, great tip about viewing the Flower Page! 1115134119 M * ComplexHo never thought I'd need advice like that ;) 1115134120 M * SiD3WiNDR wurd: ofcourse not, you have to install stuff inside it? :) 1115134163 M * wurd thats what i want to know 1115134176 M * wurd how and what to install for making it work 1115134181 M * Bertl Pazzo: ad version, I'd suggest to go with vs2.0-pre4 and 0.30.207 1115134211 M * Pazzo ComplexHo: ;-) 1115134241 M * Pazzo wurd: what distro are you using and how are you normally searching / installing software? 1115134279 M * wurd fc3 and i guess i use websites like sourceforge and rpmfind to search/install software 1115134296 J * Johnsobm ~brendan@65-116-50-162.dia.cust.qwest.net 1115134345 M * Pazzo wurd: I'm using debian and doing something like "apt-get install vncserver" to install a vncserver - 1115134369 M * Pazzo and then reading some file in /usr/share/docs/vncserver to learn how to configure it 1115134379 M * wurd i wont have any problems installing/configuring vnc.. 1115134387 M * wurd what i dont know is how to install a gui on my vserver 1115134396 M * Pazzo wurd: but this depends on your distribution - with fc3 you are probably going to install some rpm, maybe using yum - no idea 1115134406 M * wurd (gui plus everything i will need to make it a perfectly functional, independant linux) 1115134436 M * wurd do you understand what i mean? 1115134451 M * wurd i'm not at the vnc step yet.. gotta install a gui and everything else 1115134513 M * Pazzo understand? no. why do you need a fully-featured linux inside a vserver?? why don't you insert the fc3 cd/dvd and make a full installation? 1115134550 M * Pazzo wurd: what exactly do you want your vserver to do for you? 1115134594 M * wurd lots of things, but the first step is to see if i can install a full linux with gui in my vserver 1115134616 M * wurd you mean i could install fc3 INSIDE MY VSERVER with the cd ? 1115134651 M * wurd basically i want to run two different, independant instances of linux on the same machine 1115134656 M * wurd at the same time 1115134662 M * Pazzo wurd: yes and no. you can have a full linux, window manager, openoffice - but some things won't work 1115134687 M * wurd some things wont work - like what? 1115134688 M * Pazzo wurd: installing a whole x server will fail 1115134715 M * Doener wurd: want a short summary how to get a fc3 vserver with everything installed that fedora considers to be 'base'? 1115134721 M * Doener (using apt-rpm...) 1115134729 M * Pazzo wurd: so you need to install (for example) vnc, a window manager and some applications 1115134777 M * wurd yes Doener 1115134785 M * wurd please 1115134812 J * BobR ~georg@janus.mc.tuwien.ac.at 1115134839 M * wurd but i dont necessarily want 'only' what fedora considers to be base (i dont know what it considers to be base btw), i might want more than that since i want my vserver to be fully functionnal and complete 1115134855 M * wurd .. if thats possible of course .. 1115134858 M * wurd i was told it was, so.. 1115134870 A * Pazzo is curious if a "base fc3" will contain a full kde/gnome/cd-burning/e-donking linux *gg* 1115134930 M * Pazzo wurd: hmmm... I thought your base vserver was already running 1115134931 M * wurd all i want is an xserver, forget the e-donkeys and the cd burnings 1115134955 M * wurd it depends what you mean by 'base vserver' , but probably yes 1115134995 M * Pazzo wurd: vserver XY build ... will install all the "base" stuff - do you have such a "thing" up and running? 1115135045 M * wurd yes, i built a vserver. 1115135058 M * wurd it is up and running 1115135064 M * wurd but VERY incomplete 1115135074 M * wurd (e.g.: i dont have the passwd command) 1115135114 M * Pazzo wurd: what kind of build method did you use??? 1115135164 M * wurd vserver fedoracore3 build -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.16/16-- -d fc3 1115135171 M * Pazzo http://linux-vserver.org/FedoraCore3_HowTo <- something like step C on this page? 1115135184 M * Pazzo hmmm... that looks good 1115135184 Q * mountie Read error: Connection reset by peer 1115135193 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1115135200 M * Pazzo hurd: and you are missing passwd?? 1115135221 M * wurd yes. but this is normal, ive spoke to enrico 1115135242 M * Doener http://www.13thfloor.at/~doener/wurd 1115135243 M * wurd all i need is to use vapt-get , and i can install passwd 1115135256 Q * BobR Quit: leaving 1115135275 M * Doener i've not included the vserver start/stop stuff... the tools will tell you if you need to start/stop the vserver 1115135275 J * BobR ~georg@212.16.62.52 1115135278 M * Pazzo hehe... thnx Doener 1115135316 A * Doener managed to install aptrpm on his gentoo host yesterday... 1115135320 M * Pazzo I have no idea about fc3 - I'm more than happy with sarge :-) 1115135327 M * wurd Doener 1115135330 M * wurd will this get me a gui ?& 1115135330 M * Doener wurd 1115135340 A * Pazzo managed to install apt on his sarge host ;-) 1115135341 M * Doener of course it won't... 1115135345 M * wurd hah :) 1115135351 M * wurd what will it get me then? 1115135360 M * Pazzo wurd: a base fc3 1115135361 M * Doener a fedora core 3 base install... 1115135384 M * wurd umm. 1115135396 M * wurd and this ? : 1115135400 M * wurd vserver fedoracore3 build -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.16/16-- -d fc3 1115135401 M * Doener if you want gui bloat, install gnome/kde/fvwm/wmi[i] or whatever, run a second x-server on your host and use X11 forwarding... 1115135404 M * wurd doesnt it get me a base instlal ? 1115135429 M * Doener no, that doesn't even give you what fedora considers to be a 'core' install 1115135443 M * wurd oh ok 1115135478 M * Pazzo Doener: is there something like debootstrap in fedora? 1115135483 M * wurd do i really need to run a second x-server on my host ? 1115135491 M * wurd cant i just use vnc ? 1115135508 M * wurd (to directly communicate with the vserver, without using the host) 1115135518 M * Doener wurd: if you run a vnc-x-server that should also work... 1115135550 M * wurd a vnc-x-server, on my host ? or on my vserver 1115135569 M * Pazzo Doener: maybe you could add this lines to the fc3 howto on linux-vserver.org? 1115135582 M * Doener on your vserver... your programs need some server to connect to... 1115135591 M * Doener but i'd still prefer using X11 forwarding... 1115135666 M * wurd briefly, whats X11? (i'll look it up later) 1115135677 M * wurd (i would just like a global idea of what it is) 1115135760 M * Bertl X is the graphical frontend you usually use, X11 is the 11th release 1115135795 M * Bertl because this release exists for more than 10 years now ;) the name is used to reffer to the graphical desktop 1115135804 M * Bertl *refer even 1115135839 M * wurd oh ok. 1115135900 M * Bertl gnome or kde uses the basic X11 interface to show windows and such 1115135949 M * Doener Pazzo: no, there's no such thing like debootstrap for fedora... if there was, we would have less troubles ;) 1115135949 M * Doener what's special about debootstrap is that it is able to create the system on its own... no package management tools required... 1115136064 M * Doener Bertl: my mails to the list have been eaten and my mail to martin seems to have been eaten, too... may i send it to you to see if there's a problem on my side? 1115136106 M * Pazzo Doener: maybe you didn't feed your dog? *gg* 1115136132 M * Pazzo so maybe he helped himself and started eating your outbox 1115136221 M * daniel_hozac what exactly does debootstrap do that yum --installroot=/path/to/root ... doesn't? 1115136233 M * Pazzo (sorry Doener, cnr) 1115136286 M * Pazzo daniel_hozac: if yum --installroot=... installs a whole base system that's a good question :) 1115136321 M * daniel_hozac that'd depend on the args. 1115136349 M * Bertl Doener: yup, sure, wnated to ask you already ;) 1115136379 M * daniel_hozac but yum --installroot=/vservers/fc3 groupinstall core would install a whole base system. 1115136395 M * Doener hmm... they both look pretty non-hungry... one's sleeping on my bed, the other is playing with an empty bottle... 1115136395 M * Doener ;) 1115136415 M * Doener daniel_hozac: does yum need f.e. rpm? 1115136445 M * daniel_hozac Doener: the rpm libs, yes. reimplementing them seems dumb. 1115136456 M * Doener you can put debootstrap in some directory and tell it to create a debian system in another directory... nothing else required, just ar and tar IIRC 1115136508 M * Doener (a .deb file is just an tar'ed and ar'ed set of files) 1115136544 M * Doener thus you can use debootstrap on pretty much any system 1115136608 M * aba debootstrap also needs mv and cat, IIRC :P 1115136617 M * Bertl hmm, and alien doesn't need much else, no? 1115136674 M * Doener alien needs rpm here... 1115136748 M * aba and rpm is a extra set of tools that you need to compile, whereas ar and tar is almost everywhere. 1115136754 M * Doener but that's not a real problem, i guess... debootstrap carefully extracts the packages so that the result works, no real package-management involved... 1115136757 M * aba (ok, debootstrap needs also gzip :) 1115136880 M * Bertl okay, what if we really do a minimal (chroot) image maybe with busybox or whatever, which has the necessary libraries and tools for arbitrary installing? 1115136908 M * Bertl (just to get the base system in, up and running) 1115137014 M * Doener hmm... can anyone tell me (in short) how the rpm build method works? 1115137067 M * Bertl build? you mean creating an rpm package? 1115137129 M * Doener no, the vserver rpm build method ;) 1115137167 M * Hollow heya 1115137274 M * Doener ah well, i'll look it up myself. 1115137396 M * ola Hello all 1115137403 M * Doener hi ola 1115137412 M * ola I have just sent a mail to the mailinglist about some changes that I will make. 1115137419 M * ola Please comment if you have comments. :) 1115137424 M * ola You can comment here. 1115137434 M * ola if you like 1115137546 M * Bertl sec, checking mail ... 1115137555 M * ola :) 1115137682 M * FaUl Bertl: was no vserver-problem but a iptables-problem. but i wonder wether the ping-programm knows that ip-address which is not allowed on the vserver. if i ping from a vserver with ip-address 192.168.30.2 as iproot to 192.168.42.101 he pings with ip-address 192.168.42.111 although the ip-root 1115137721 M * Pazzo ola: I've never used vserver-debiantools - tried to install them on a test-host now, ... 1115137723 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting 1115137770 M * Pazzo ...required me to upgrade from utils 204 to 207 and that failed 1115137796 M * Bertl ola: no, perl is not acceptable, I plan on reducing the dependancies, not increasing them ... 1115137802 M * Pazzo (configuring util-vserver failed with "lstat(): No such file or directory") 1115137831 M * ola Bertl: Ok no perl dependency is added. 1115137844 M * ola Pazzo. You have that too. Interesting as I can not reproduce that. 1115137874 M * ola Pazzo: Can you help me to debug where the problem is. 1115137879 M * Bertl ola: yes we want to integrate the 'debian-tools' wrappers where possible, but we have to make sure that it is in the proper way ... i.e. not a separate tool for debian, but an integrated (maybe debian aware?) approach 1115137885 M * Pazzo ola: sure 1115137928 M * Bertl ola: also not sure if vserver-copy is what you want, according to the description it 'copies' the host ... be careful ;) 1115137935 M * ola Bertl: Ok. I'll try to find out a good way. Right now the debian tools are marely wrappers around vserver ... build (except for the full install version) that I have created too. 1115137961 M * Pazzo ola: sorry - someone changed my sources-list - he probably left there a mix of sarge and sid... 1115137978 M * ola Bertl: copy which host, the root server or the vserver? 1115137985 M * ola Pazzo: So it works now? 1115137992 M * Bertl ad vserver-build.debootstrap: go wild, but make sure that the debootstrap works on non debian distros too ... folks will help 'ya there ... 1115137997 M * ola Pazzo: I ask as I have a grave bug for that. 1115138019 M * Bertl ola: rebootmanager is dead. period. 1115138025 M * ola Bertl: Ok. 1115138045 M * ola Bertl: So vserver-copy can be removed or? 1115138046 M * Bertl but that doesn't mean that we should not look at making the reboot features work again ;) 1115138057 M * ola Bertl: :) 1115138059 M * Hollow i can reboot 1115138063 M * Pazzo ola: this host should be sarge but someone added sid to the sources-list - so this is probably some strange mix 1115138081 M * Bertl AFAIK vserver-copy should make a 'copy' of the host system as vserver (actually it should work, maybe we are talking different scripts here) 1115138094 M * Pazzo ola: 207 is from sid - the rest probably sarge - tell me if I can help you nontheless 1115138112 M * ola Ok. But still I need that debugged as it is a blocker for the latest version to be included in sarge. 1115138153 M * ola You can put debug lines into /var/lib/dpkg/info/util-vserver.postinst and run that script with configure option to see where it fails. 1115138155 M * Bertl btw, I fixed a lot of dietlibc issues for non x86 archs ... 1115138165 M * micah hello everyone 1115138171 M * Pazzo ola: ok 1115138181 M * Bertl ola: could you make sure they get into debian asap? 1115138185 M * ola Bertl: Are these dietlibc issues in 207 version? 1115138188 M * micah just was doing an apt-get dist-upgrade in my vserver, and I'm getting the Operation not permitted error on some packages 1115138227 M * Bertl ola: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/DIETLIBC/ (against dietlibc cvs, but should work for debian too) 1115138230 M * micah it goes away when you repeat the command :) 1115138263 M * ola micah: What packages do you have problem with? 1115138265 M * Doener i'm gone now... cya tomorrow... *hates email* 1115138268 N * Doener Doener|gone 1115138272 M * Bertl ola: the proc remount should be obsoleted by recent 2.6 kernels and is a non issue on 2.4 1115138276 M * micah ola: a few... the error is like this: 1115138276 M * micah dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/login_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge1_i386.deb (--unpack): 1115138280 M * micah failed to rmdir/unlink `//usr/bin/newgrp.dpkg-tmp': Operation not permitted 1115138298 M * micah ola: this is in sarge btw. 1115138317 M * micah dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge1_i386.deb (--unpack): 1115138320 M * micah failed to rmdir/unlink `//usr/bin/chage.dpkg-tmp': Operation not permitted 1115138322 M * ola Bertl: Ok, but is this remount thing something that makes things worse? 1115138326 M * Pazzo ola: found 1115138329 M * Pazzo setattr --barrier /vservers 1115138330 M * micah if you re-run the command it goes away 1115138338 M * ola micah: hare you running as root? 1115138339 M * Pazzo there is no /vservers on this host 1115138342 M * Bertl ola: depends, it might make things worse ... 1115138350 M * micah ola: of course 1115138350 M * ola Pazzo: Thanks a lot! I'll fix that. 1115138377 M * ola Pazzo: If you change that to /var/lib/vservers instead, do that work better? 1115138390 M * micah ola: its a problem I worked with bertl on a while back, it only has a problem unlinking a temporary file, and if repeated, it goes away 1115138412 M * Bertl ola: the check for server existing/etc to install on lvm or so sounds good, we just have to make sure that it is done properly ... I would check for an 'empty except lost+found' dir there ... 1115138413 M * Pazzo ola: yes 1115138431 M * Pazzo ola: you should probably move VROOTDIR="/var/lib/vservers" some lines upwards 1115138500 M * ola Bertl: You do not want to check for /var either in some cases as you may want to copy in the .debs inside the vserver to speed up the process of installing. It is a cache feature I have added to newvserver debian script. 1115138524 M * ola Or maybe it actually was not I that added it, but I have surely modify it. :) 1115138546 M * micah ola: additionally, when ifupifdown is updated, there is a problem because /etc/network/run is a symlink to /dev/shm/run (which does not exist in vservers) 1115138600 M * Pazzo ola: what about vserver-debiantools - what are they doing more than util-vserver? 1115138601 M * Bertl ola: how would that improve things? IIRC isntallation happens in a non chrooted environment ... 1115138645 M * Bertl ola: last two items sound sane to me ... 1115138655 M * ola Pazzo: vserver-debiantools fix a number of files inside the vserver (like /etc/apt/sources.list) and some more things. It also have a .deb cache feature. 1115138769 M * Bertl ola: we should keep one thing in mind: we do not want to make a debian branch, a redhat, and a gentoo branch .. we want to make _one_ tool which can handle _all_ of them on _all_ distros ... 1115138781 M * Pazzo ola: hmmm... that's a good thing and really useful. I did so by creating /usr/lib/util-vserver/vserver-cleanup and /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/vserver_sarge 1115138815 M * Pazzo ola: and then using vserver build -m debootstrap with the "-s" switch 1115138822 M * ola Bertl: I agree. 1115138838 M * Pazzo (vserver-cleanup is called then by the debootstrap script) 1115138870 M * ola Pazzo, that can be a good thing. 1115138881 M * ola Now I have to eat dinner. See you later. 1115138928 M * Pazzo ola: another thing: $REMOVE_LINKS 1115138944 M * terr Hello to everyone 1115138962 M * Pazzo ola: update-rc.d -f removes all links in /etc/rc?.d - BUT... 1115139030 M * Pazzo ola: ... I discovered that debian's package management will set it back to "default" if you upgrade a package and it finds no link 1115139071 M * Bertl hmm, isn't that a bug then? 1115139113 M * Pazzo Bertl, ola: if you leave a single link there it doesn't do so 1115139116 M * ola Pazzo: Yes I know that, but I do not have any solution for that using the current script. 1115139116 M * DaCa Pazzo: yes, the trick is to leave at least one link there 1115139145 M * Bertl Pazzo: hmm, yeah, maybe in an unused runlevel? 1115139165 J * mep_ mep@p5091D85F.dip.t-dialin.net 1115139173 M * ola Ahh yes that was the solution. I do not do that using the maintainer script though. 1115139177 M * Pazzo we did update-rc.d $service stop 90 3 . 1115139188 M * Pazzo for all packages that should be removed 1115139272 M * Pazzo ola: for /etc/inittab maybe some grep would be less "intrusive" than providing a own inittab file: 1115139276 M * Bertl hmm, doesn't that mean that shutting down the server will call them? 1115139297 M * Pazzo mv $VS_ROOT/etc/inittab $VS_ROOT/etc/inittab.dist && cat $VS_ROOT/etc/inittab.dist | grep -v respawn\:/sbin/getty > $VS_ROOT/etc/inittab 1115139314 M * Pazzo Bertl: Debian uses runlevel 2 by default 1115139338 M * Pazzo putting the stop link into 4 or 5 would also be ok 1115139384 M * Pazzo ehm - sorry, cat | grep is awful... I can do that better: 1115139400 M * Bertl something completely different, why don't we use a 'special' vserver runlevel? 1115139404 M * Pazzo mv $VS_ROOT/etc/inittab $VS_ROOT/etc/inittab.dist && grep -v respawn\:/sbin/getty $VS_ROOT/etc/inittab.dist > $VS_ROOT/etc/inittab 1115139431 M * Bertl Pazzo: I'm sure a proper sed -i line is better there ;) 1115139467 M * Pazzo Bertl: because of tools like update-rc.d and package management / postinstall scripts? 1115139488 M * Bertl okay, leaving now .. back in a few hours ... 1115139498 M * Bertl (keep discussing those things, I'll read up later) 1115139501 M * Pazzo Pazzo: you're right - I never took enough time to really learn sed 1115139505 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1115139509 M * Pazzo bye bertl 1115139591 Q * mep Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115140049 Q * MrX Read error: Connection reset by peer 1115140122 N * BobR BobR_oO 1115140444 M * ola Now I'm back. :) 1115140725 M * ola Pazzo: Yes grepping is less intrusive than providing a new file. 1115140940 M * ola mv "$VROOTDIR/$VHOST/etc/inittab" "$VROOTDIR/$VHOST/etc/inittab.dist" && \ 1115140940 M * ola grep -v respawn\:/sbin/getty "$VROOTDIR/$VHOST/etc/inittab.dist" > \ 1115140941 M * ola "$VROOTDIR/$VHOST/etc/inittab" 1115140950 M * ola This is how it looks now. 1115140979 M * ola Pazzo: What is your name and email so I can give you full credit for this fix. :) 1115141225 M * Pazzo re 1115141259 M * Pazzo (: Thomas Gelf -> thomas@gelf.net 1115141264 M * ola Thanks 1115141373 M * Pazzo ola: what about ifupdown, mountvirtfs, mountall.sh and mountnfs.sh? 1115141376 M * ola I assume that I can put this information in the debian changelog. 1115141388 M * Pazzo I'm removing them too 1115141397 M * ola ? 1115141416 M * ola Remove those symlinks too or. 1115141433 M * Pazzo for i in klogd networking mountvirtfs mountall.sh mountnfs.sh ifupdown; do 1115141433 M * ola If you have a patch that would be great. 1115141437 M * Pazzo update_rc $i 1115141460 M * Pazzo update_rc is a small shell function removing with -f the symlinks and adding one stop link 1115141526 M * Pazzo http://www.pastebin.com/279170 1115141669 M * Pazzo hmm... I'm also doing "shadowconfig on", set /etc/mailname to the hostname - but I don't know if this would be settings for everyone 1115141748 Q * rs Remote host closed the connection 1115141752 M * Pazzo ola: I think it should be possible to modify the default sources.list - so better put it into /etc/vservers/.default/whatever 1115141759 J * rs ~rs@staff.lycos.fr 1115141764 M * ola for link in $REMOVE_LINKS 1115141764 M * ola do 1115141764 M * ola update-rc.d -f \$link remove 1115141764 M * ola update-rc.d -f \$link stop 90 3 . 1115141765 M * ola done 1115141777 M * ola This is how it will look now. Will that do the proper things? 1115141813 M * ola Pazzo: I agree that it may be a better solution. Patches are welcome. :) 1115141854 M * ola REMOVE_LINKS="klogd hwclock.sh setserial urandom networking umountfs halt reboot" 1115141903 M * ola So what am I missing... mountall.sh mountvirtfs and mountnfs.sh and ifupdown. 1115141922 M * Pazzo ola: sure - we did the strange function because we do not want the vserver to be started 1115141942 M * ola ok 1115141949 M * Pazzo (maybe better replace update-rc.d with a variable) 1115141960 M * ola maybe not that important. 1115141966 M * Pazzo ok 1115141979 M * ola What do update-rc.d -f \$link stop 90 3 . 1115141983 M * ola do? 1115141997 M * ola put a stop link in ... runlevel 3? 1115142017 M * ola Will that prevent it from upgrades to be added? 1115142024 M * Pazzo hey, copying ssh keys is a goot idea 1115142033 M * Pazzo ola: yes 1115142045 M * ola Bad language but you seem to understand. 1115142089 M * ola I'm not sure how to provide all this features to vserver ... build. 1115142096 M * Pazzo unfortunately I don't remember where - but I read somewhere that debian while updating it's rc-stuff it : 1115142104 M * ola I can not add a huge number of arguments, or can I. 1115142106 M * Pazzo - looks if there is some link 1115142119 M * Pazzo - if not, it sets them to the defaults 1115142119 M * ola Actually some parts may actually be generic, and not just for debian. 1115142126 M * Pazzo - if yes it doesn't touch them 1115142170 M * Pazzo ola: what do you think about our debootstrap script solution? 1115142195 M * Pazzo I'm doing vserver xy build ... -s /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/vserver_sarge 1115142219 M * Pazzo vserver_sarge is similar to sarge, with some extra excludes 1115142249 Q * rs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115142276 M * Pazzo and it calls our /usr/lib/util-vserver/vserver-cleanup script 1115142296 M * ola Yes that is a good solution. The -s option is debian specific though. :) 1115142313 M * ola Whould I add that to the "real" util-vserver too? 1115142313 M * Pazzo maybe you could take your cleanup part as it is for sure done more careful than my one ;-) ... 1115142371 M * ola Can you test the newvserver script when I have modified it? 1115142385 M * ola I have very bad bandwidth so it takes a lot of time for me to verify. 1115142452 M * Pazzo ola: sure 1115142472 M * Pazzo I have a local sarge mirror so bandwidth is no problem ;-) 1115142588 M * Pazzo ola: I would make /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/vserver_sarge part of util-vserver, you could also move it to something like /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/somewhere and also put the debian cleanup stuff there 1115142606 M * Pazzo what else is debian-specific in vserver-debianutils? 1115142627 M * ola That will be a good solution yes. If you can help me with testing that is great. 1115142635 M * Pazzo np 1115142684 M * Pazzo what does newnfsserver do? 1115142696 M * Pazzo ehm - newnfsvserver 1115142798 M * ola Pazzo: You can find the script now in here: http://svn.opal.dhs.org/fsp/trunk/vserver-debiantools/ 1115142827 M * ola Pazzo: It will create a vserver suiteable for a nfsrootmounted diskless client. 1115142839 M * ola The name is not perfect. 1115142862 M * ola I'll be back in a couple of minutes. 1115143361 M * Pazzo ola: everything seems fine 1115143418 M * FaUl to get on your nerves again, is ipv6-support included in vserver 2.0? 1115143448 M * FaUl i wonder whether i should write a patch for 1.2.10 or not 1115143490 M * Pazzo ola: I got some errors as the created sources.list fails partially (I'm mirroring only binary packages, no sources) - but that's ok 1115143613 M * Pazzo FaUl: sorry, no idea about vserver / ipv6. vs2.0 and 1.9.5 should not be very different and afaik there isn't much ipv6 stuff in 1.9.5 1115143635 M * Pazzo but as I told you: that's just a guess, I have absolutely no idea 1115143648 M * FaUl Pazzo: ok ;) 1115143697 M * Pazzo ola: some other thoughts: 1115143764 M * Pazzo - I don't like the idea of starting/stopping vservers while creating them, it should be possible to do all this jobs with chroot & co 1115144003 M * Pazzo - vserver XY build is non-interactive, newvserver is interactive 1115144012 M * Pazzo - I would prefer the idea of using "vserver XY build" with a special debootstrap script which is then calling the cleanup script 1115144014 M * Pazzo - interactivity should be an extra option but not on by default 1115144057 M * Pazzo (root password, timezone and such stuff) 1115144100 M * Pazzo - timezone config can be taken from the host 1115144316 M * Pazzo - another thing breaking "non-interactivity": as written before adding deb-src http://mymirror/... did fail as I have no local src mirror. result: 1115144319 M * Pazzo update available list script returned error exit status 1. 1115144325 M * Pazzo Press to continue. 1115144352 M * Pazzo this "Press ..." shouldn't be there 1115144528 M * ola Pazzo: I agree. 1115144539 M * Pazzo ola: I have to leave now - I'm getting hungry ;-) 1115144545 M * ola :) 1115144580 M * Pazzo think about it, let me know your ideas and how I may help you 1115144610 M * Pazzo maybe I'm back later, not sure - but tomorrow I'll be here for sure 1115144631 M * Pazzo just drop some lines or write me a mail (or to the ml) 1115144708 M * Pazzo cya! 1115144715 M * ola I'll see what I can do about it. 1115144716 M * ola cya! 1115144720 N * Pazzo PazZzzzooo 1115144729 M * ola I like the ideas. 1115144919 M * PazZzzzooo ola: for the debootstrap script: you may modify the packages there, remove unsupported archs and call the cleanup script after the second_stage_install 1115145074 M * PazZzzzooo as told before I would also take the sources.list out of the cleanup script and put it somewhere in /etc/vservers/.defaults/... 1115145109 M * PazZzzzooo so, it's enough now - my pizza is probably already cold :( 1115145112 M * PazZzzzooo bye, cu! 1115145118 M * ola Sounds like a good solution. I'll work on something. If you have time I would be happy if you can provide files/patches etc. :) 1115145125 M * ola bye! 1115145131 M * PazZzzzooo sure, let me know 1115145144 M * PazZzzzooo definitively bye! ;-) 1115145152 M * ola :)) 1115145294 M * FaUl PazZzzzooo: you're right, ipv6 in 2.0rc4 is not supported either 1115145360 M * FaUl why is vserver restricting to ip-addresses by the way? isn't it smarter to restrict to interfaces? 1115146637 M * ola FaUl: Becuase you probably want to share interfaces. 1115147013 J * hahella ~hahella@host53-15.pool80182.interbusiness.it 1115147374 J * micah_ micah@192.101.188.235 1115147441 M * wurd Reading Package Lists... Done 1115147441 M * wurd Building Dependency Tree... Done 1115147441 M * wurd W: Release file did not contain checksum information for http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/base/pkglist.core 1115147447 M * wurd W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems 1115147454 M * wurd what could this error msg mean ? 1115147766 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1115147918 M * ola wurd: No clue. 1115147949 M * ola It may be so that the checksum file do not exist. 1115148050 M * daniel_hozac wurd: well, did you try running apt-get update? 1115148059 M * wurd guess what daniel_hozac :) 1115148073 M * wurd this error i've just pasted 1115148085 M * wurd well i got it from doing apt-get update 1115148092 M * wurd ;) 1115149045 Q * hahella Quit: 1115149076 M * ola Well I have no real clue as I only know how apt works with deb files. 1115149825 P * mountie LUNCK! 1115149831 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1115151707 N * Doener|gone Doener 1115151717 M * Doener evening! 1115151876 M * aba Hi Doener 1115151888 M * ola Hello 1115151916 M * aba wurd: the signuature on the Packages-file could be wrong/broken 1115153466 Q * albeiro Remote host closed the connection 1115154072 M * mugwump Hola ola! Did you get the OpenFoundry invitation? 1115154112 J * Fibbs ~chris@p83.129.229.253.tisdip.tiscali.de 1115154128 M * Fibbs Hi all! 1115154341 M * Doener welcome fibbs! 1115154346 M * FaUl hi 1115154418 M * Doener mugwump: seems my new msmtp version was broken... i downgraded it. may i sent you the mail as a test before i start annoying the list again? 1115154460 M * mugwump go for it, but beware I won't be able to tell you straight away due to greylisting :) 1115154488 M * Doener no problem... i've spent hours now, some minutes more won't kill me 1115154622 M * Fibbs Hey, i have a problem here. No vserver running, but vserver-stat tells me about two ones but does not show names... 1115154628 M * Fibbs zombie-vservers? 1115154634 M * Doener kernel version? 1115154651 M * Fibbs 2.6.9 vs 1.9.3-rc5 1115154654 J * knoppix_ ~knoppix@dsl-213-023-128-253.arcor-ip.net 1115154695 M * Doener cat /proc/virtual//status | grep Cnt 1115154740 M * Fibbs UseCnt: 39 1115154740 M * Fibbs RefCnt: 37 1115154746 M * Fibbs what does this tell me? 1115154769 M * Doener that doesn't look like a not-running vserver... 1115154779 M * Fibbs but it isn't responding. 1115154787 M * Fibbs can i hardly "kill" it? 1115154808 M * Doener vkill --xid -s 15 1115154810 M * Doener vkill --xid -s 9 1115154852 M * Fibbs thanks 1115154895 M * Fibbs did you ever have the problem that usage of vtop causes a damaged console? Also inside a vserver i can't use "top", same problem. 1115154933 M * Doener no 1115154964 M * Fibbs umm 1115155724 N * _Medivh Medivh 1115156342 J * pflanze ~chris@ethlife-d.ethz.ch 1115156694 M * Doener ah, finally it worked... 1115156726 M * Fibbs where can i find some explanations about the new structure in /etc/vservers and the possible parameters to 'vserver' like --interface etc? 1115156739 M * daniel_hozac vserver - build --help and the flower page. 1115156813 M * Doener and http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver 1115156838 M * Fibbs thanks 1115156865 M * Fibbs ...and what's the 'flower page'? 1115156925 M * Doener search for that term on http://linux-vserver.org 1115156929 M * Doener ;) 1115156985 M * Fibbs oh my god 1115156993 M * Fibbs but nice plants 1115157011 J * prae ~prae@sherpadown.net 1115157452 M * mugwump ah, sorry Doener, my inbox watching thread was put to sleep 1115157457 M * mugwump I got that mail intact 1115157498 M * Doener mugwump: no problem... couldn't resist to play around and found that one of my mailboxes also received them as empty messages... 1115157545 M * Doener so i could test some settings... turning tls off in the new msmtp version causes the breakage... but only for gmx, not for my university account... strange 1115158125 M * Doener ola: around? 1115158363 M * Doener you enhanced the check for debian systems to determine which debian branch to install if none was given, i.e. when -d {woody,sarge,stable,...} is missing. 1115158365 J * albeiro albeiro@albeiro.usercloak.oftc.net 1115158417 M * Doener but i think the original check is broken anyways, as /etc/debian_version contains sth. like "3.1" and not the official branch name. 1115158494 M * Doener do you know any way to get this _always_ working? if not, we should probably add a check that complains if -d is not set and your enhanced check fails to get some result. the old check could be completely removed. do you agree? 1115158783 N * ciphernautZZ ciphernaut 1115158806 M * Doener morning ciphernaut 1115158924 M * ciphernaut Morning Doener 1115158971 M * ciphernaut I have finally gotten a kernel+initrd+lvm2 working under debian 1115158988 M * ciphernaut something seems amiss with the entropy pool though 1115159009 M * ciphernaut deu/urandom works 1115159046 M * ciphernaut dev/random does not regenerate itself - this is on the hosting system 1115159423 Q * knoppix_ Quit: Verlassend 1115159437 Q * BWare Read error: Operation timed out 1115159612 Q * prae Quit: Pwet 1115159781 Q * Fibbs Quit: Verlassend 1115160093 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net 1115162604 M * Doener mugwump: is there an automatic ChangeLog generator running at OpenFoundry or do i have to change the file myself? 1115162645 M * mugwump You have to change it yourself for now; I don't know of any automation happening, even commit messages etc 1115162665 M * Doener ok 1115162820 M * Doener hmm... hour:minute is in there... UTC? 1115162856 A * mugwump shrugs 1115162860 M * mugwump might be China time :) 1115162883 M * Doener i'll just use utc... ;) 1115162912 M * mugwump oh, in the Changelog you mean. duh. 1115163435 Q * Shuri Quit: 1115163756 M * Doener ok, now let's see in how many ways I can break those tools ;) 1115163881 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1115163891 M * Bertl evening folks! 1115163900 M * Bertl took longer than I expected ... 1115163907 M * Doener hey Bertl! 1115163943 M * albeiro heya Bertl :] 1115163960 M * DaCa hi Bertl :) 1115163962 M * Bertl everything fine? 1115164002 M * Doener yep, trying to break the tools^w^w^w update the syscall invocation method of the tools now... 1115164027 M * Bertl ciphernaut: you sure that the entropy pool isn't just empty? (because something was sucking too much entropy out ;)? 1115164047 M * Bertl Doener: wow, you mean to the new syscall macros? 1115164074 M * Doener yep... it's one of two changes you suggested... and this one seemed to be more fun 1115164092 M * Bertl definitely! keep up the good work! 1115164107 M * Doener headers from vdlimit-0.04 are still up2date enough i assume? 1115164110 M * Bertl ah, I see Fibbs did show up? 1115164151 M * Bertl Doener: yup, they should be fine ... but you can take the kernel headers from pre4 too, they are supposed to be plugged in without modification 1115164173 M * Bertl (that was one of the long-term objectives) 1115164176 M * Doener ok... later ;) i just commited the update to the vdlimit headers 1115164233 M * Doener ola also committed some stuff :) 1115164240 M * Bertl great! ;) 1115164271 M * Bertl mugwump: you did check in all the releases? any trouble with that? 1115164317 M * mugwump Bertl: http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Source/index.html/utilvserver/browse/releases/ 1115164332 M * Bertl ah, thanks, that was what I was looking for ... 1115164396 M * Bertl so short info for me and other folks how to check out, and 'what' to check in again? 1115164432 M * Doener svn co http://svn.openfoundry.org/utilvserver/trunk local-dir 1115164442 M * Doener (you can use https too) 1115164480 M * Doener what 'what' to check in? *confused* 1115164488 M * mugwump svn commit :) 1115164519 M * mugwump then svn cp http://svn.openfoundry.org/utilvserver/{trunk,releases/0.NN.NNN} to release 1115164559 M * Doener btw, for just browsing the source, i'd prefer http://svn.openfoundry.org/utilvserver/ ... it's a lot faster and diffing anything not below trunk/ is broken on OpenFoundry anyways 1115164561 M * mugwump svn mkdir, rm, mv, rename all work 1115164582 M * Bertl k 1115164618 M * mugwump It's an svn caveat when dealing with renames and soft copies - diffs need to exist at the same location in both compared versions 1115164632 M * mugwump s/diffs/the files/ 1115164777 M * mugwump however, you could use svn diff http://svn.openfoundry.org/utilvserver/{releases/0.30.204,trunk}/src/lsxid.c to see the differences in lsxid between release 0.30.204 and current, for example