1114992072 A * romke gonna sleep, dont wanna sleepover all my birthday :P
1114992146 M * Bertl hehe, so happy birthday then, no?
1114992183 M * romke Yes, 2nd May :>
1114992188 M * romke and thx
1114992200 M * Bertl will investigate your issues (if I can reproduce them)
1114992287 M * romke Bertl: thx, configuration: flags: sched_prio, and thats all
1114992384 M * romke Bertl: rest is default from vserver build -m skeleton
1114992590 A * romke &
1114994575 Q * DuckMaster Remote host closed the connection
1114994780 M * anon1 so much to learn so much to learn
1114994788 M * anon1 so is this sorta like solaris zones?
1114994803 M * Bertl sorta like ...
1114994954 M * anon1 i dunno
1114995096 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1114995223 J * duckx ~Duck@dyn-83-157-154-66.ppp.tiscali.fr
1114995427 M * Bertl welcome erwan! duckx!
1114995637 J * eXplasm2 ~explasm@p549FF53D.dip.t-dialin.net
1114996066 Q * eXplasm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114996852 Q * lilo Quit: bbiab
1114997120 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114997291 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection
1114997528 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now ... have a good whatever ...
1114997556 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1114997659 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk
1115001905 M * shuri cya berni
1115001909 M * shuri cya Bertl_zZ
1115004260 Q * eXplasm2 jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * eyck jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * FaUl jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * bro jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * locksy jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * cereal jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * maharaja jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * kevinp jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * daniel_hozac jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * gregster jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * sith jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * rs jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * meebey jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * romke jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * wurd jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * Seraph jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * Beirdo jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004260 Q * mcp jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1115004319 J * cereal ~cereal@217.20.124.153
1115004340 J * Seraph kk@projects.verfaction.de
1115004344 J * sith sith@aaronp.com
1115004350 J * meebey meebey@meebey.net
1115004353 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at
1115004369 J * gregster ~gregor@greart.de
1115004382 J * rs ~rs@staff.lycos.fr
1115004389 J * Beirdo ~gjhurlbu@beirdo.usercloak.oftc.net
1115004400 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1115004659 J * FaUl ~immo@ip88.164.1211G-CUD12K-01.ish.de
1115004791 J * mcp hightower@217.171.201.37
1115005104 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net
1115005226 J * eXplasm2 ~explasm@p549FF53D.dip.t-dialin.net
1115005244 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@h56n2fls32o829.telia.com
1115006550 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1115006562 M * Bertl morning folks!
1115006626 M * shuri lol
1115006648 M * shuri you sleep 3 hours a day?
1115006670 M * Bertl usually more, but I couldn't sleep now ...
1115006687 M * shuri why?
1115006718 M * shuri no woman on the left side?
1115006777 M * Bertl woman is there .. still sleeping ;)
1115006791 M * shuri hehe
1115006795 M * shuri same for me
1115006814 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1115006825 M * Bertl but if I learned something, then it's absolutlely useless to stay in bed and _try_ to sleep ;)
1115006827 A * shuri change nick for grub
1115006848 M * shuri tell me more
1115006865 M * shuri :)
1115006874 M * shuri i wanna learn too
1115006889 M * Bertl to not stay in bed and try to sleep?
1115006955 M * shuri both
1115006959 M * shuri hihi
1115006972 M * shuri just kidding
1115007006 M * shuri hey berni
1115007009 M * shuri hey Bertl
1115007028 M * shuri Vserver 2.0
1115007035 M * Bertl hmm, yup?
1115007045 M * shuri will be 2.4 or 2.6 base?
1115007062 M * Bertl 2.6 .. 1.2 is the stable 2.4 branch ...
1115007090 M * shuri ok so 2.0 will be stable 2.6 branch righ?
1115007100 M * Bertl precisely
1115007133 M * shuri why should i merge to 2.0
1115007134 M * shuri ?
1115007151 M * Bertl you mean migrate?
1115007158 M * shuri yes
1115007179 M * shuri 2.4.30-vs1.2.10 #1 SMP
1115007181 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Release+FAQ (maybe)
1115007183 M * shuri i run this 
1115007207 M * Bertl btw, has to be updated as I just saw ;)
1115007222 M * shuri 2.0 is ?
1115007225 M * shuri hihi
1115007228 M * Bertl (but add a dozen features to 1.9.x ;)
1115007241 M * shuri i see
1115007257 M * shuri 2.0 is legacy conf ?
1115007269 M * shuri is it hard to migrate?
1115007289 M * Bertl basically both configs (to ease migration) but legacy will not unleash new features
1115007297 M * shuri k
1115007306 M * shuri seriously
1115007313 M * shuri new conf scheme suck!
1115007320 M * Bertl so the idea is: you take your existing vservers and use it ...
1115007354 M * shuri am i the only one to think this?
1115007366 M * Bertl well, the old scheme 'sucks' too .. but personally I'd have gone for a property list style config
1115007386 M * shuri i got 25 vserver running
1115007423 M * Bertl the config in one file vs. many files really split the fractions ...
1115007439 M * shuri one file is easy
1115007452 M * shuri why so many files?
1115007469 A * shuri ask enrico?
1115007470 M * Bertl if you look at the irc loogs, we get from 'hey the new scheme is really cool' to 'this sucks, I want a single file' ...
1115007508 M * Bertl there are pros and cons in every approach
1115007526 M * shuri well i using vserver since ctx 14
1115007542 M * Bertl for example, there are a bunch of things you can do with the tree config, but not easily with the file config
1115007560 M * Bertl (like having symlinks in the config ;)
1115007583 M * shuri well the jacques conf was nice
1115007583 M * Bertl OTOH the one file config is easier to look at ...
1115007603 M * shuri i miss jacques:(
1115007614 M * Bertl fact is, the 'legacy' config would not be able to cut the mustard today ...
1115007621 M * shuri why?
1115007628 M * shuri one file or 10%
1115007629 M * shuri ?
1115007634 M * Bertl just take the helper and scripts for example
1115007646 M * Bertl or just the fstab features ...
1115007670 M * shuri i could not ready the argument from  one conf file?
1115007687 M * shuri i am not a coder but i do not understand
1115007688 M * Bertl well, you could, but you would need something to wrap this
1115007696 M * Bertl for example you could do:
1115007701 M * Bertl %fstab.local
1115007702 M * shuri 1 file of 10 files
1115007707 M * Bertl then write the fstab
1115007710 M * Bertl then put
1115007714 M * Bertl %fstab.local.end
1115007720 M * Bertl or something like that ...
1115007735 M * Bertl (i.e. xml or whatever ...)
1115007745 M * shuri fstab1="proc none none"
1115007760 M * shuri fstab2="/dev/hda1 ...."
1115007763 M * Bertl well, that's the probably most confusing way to do it ;)
1115007783 M * shuri we do not have the same idea of what is confusing..
1115007805 M * shuri maybe i am to old in vserver use..
1115007810 M * Bertl what I really do not understand ... 
1115007846 M * Bertl if there are so many folks complaining about the tree style (I guess it's roughly the half)
1115007881 M * Bertl why did nobody go ahead and write a simple tool to 'map' the tree style to a single file and vice versa ...
1115007902 M * shuri look i take for example Xen 
1115007906 M * shuri 1 conf files
1115007912 M * shuri you can do all you want..
1115007922 Q * eXplasm2 Remote host closed the connection
1115007948 M * Bertl how does the xen config file look like?
1115007964 M * shuri very simple..
1115007974 M * shuri 2 sec
1115007993 M * shuri kernel = "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-xenU"
1115007993 M * shuri memory = 64
1115007993 M * shuri name = "ttylinux"
1115007993 M * shuri nics = 1
1115007993 M * shuri ip = "1.2.3.4"
1115007994 M * shuri disk = ['file:/path/to/ttylinux/rootfs,sda1,w']
1115007994 M * shuri root = "/dev/sda1 ro"
1115008019 M * shuri ip = "10.0.0.0"
1115008036 M * shuri etc..
1115008039 M * Bertl you specify ip twice?
1115008046 M * shuri nha
1115008047 M * shuri lol
1115008067 M * shuri netmask = "255.255.255.248"
1115008073 M * shuri etc..
1115008086 M * Bertl well, if you have two nics, how do you specify ip/netmask?
1115008104 M * shuri nics =2
1115008145 M * shuri dont know how i dont use it
1115008148 M * shuri but you can
1115008198 M * shuri the ip options is to configure the interface at boot time
1115008202 M * Bertl well, I'm pretty sure you can, but there it get's complicated ...
1115008208 M * shuri if you put  nics =2
1115008235 M * Bertl yeah, and then what? use ip1="" or ip2="" or ip="ip1, ip2"?
1115008237 M * shuri juste conf the network/interface with eth0 eht1 and it will be up
1115008255 M * shuri complicate in one file..
1115008268 M * shuri ok look Bertl
1115008278 M * shuri what i want to tell is
1115008302 M * shuri why change scheme betwenn stable and alpha
1115008342 M * Bertl simple, the 'old' tools used the scheme which suited jacques, the new tools the one which enrico prefers ...
1115008357 M * shuri ok so is Coder preference..
1115008366 M * shuri that the reason..
1115008369 M * Bertl as he is doing all the work on the tools, it's up to him ...
1115008384 M * shuri ok i understand
1115008392 M * Bertl you are free to take the code, hire a programmer and get a new interface ;)
1115008413 M * shuri the problem is i am not a coder man but a network guy..
1115008445 M * Bertl and the network guys can not hire programmers?
1115008449 M * shuri i will phone jacque tomorow
1115008453 M * Bertl s/programmer/coder/ ;)
1115008460 M * shuri :)
1115008473 M * shuri we live in the same city
1115008480 M * shuri hihi
1115008505 J * eXplasm ~explasm@p549FF53D.dip.t-dialin.net
1115008527 M * shuri enricon work is very nice!
1115008535 M * Bertl well, I would be glad if jacques would work on linux-vserver again ...
1115008535 M * shuri cannot complaint about it
1115008555 M * shuri but 3 prod serveur
1115008557 M * shuri to migrate
1115008563 M * shuri to new scheme sux!
1115008579 M * shuri that why i stay with stable
1115008591 M * shuri for schem conf reason...
1115008595 M * shuri :(
1115008663 M * shuri did you talk to jacques recently?
1115008672 M * Bertl no unfortunately not ...
1115008690 M * shuri i do not undertand 
1115008696 M * eXplasm good morning guys :)
1115008699 M * shuri why he still updade version
1115008707 M * shuri but do not colaborate
1115008717 M * shuri morning eXplasm
1115008728 M * shuri 00.39 here
1115008729 M * shuri :)
1115008739 A * eXplasm lives in germany
1115008786 A * shuri live in Quebec
1115008798 M * Bertl shuri: I have no idea, but I guess he has his reasons
1115008859 M * shuri yes only him know
1115008905 M * Bertl but I guess he likes what we are doing ...
1115008915 M * shuri hope so
1115008919 M * Bertl uname -a
1115008919 M * Bertl Linux www.linux-vserver.org 2.4.29-vs1.2.10 #1 Wed Feb 9 11:00:42 EST 2005 i686 unknown
1115008941 M * shuri this project is so nice!! since Bertl is in it!
1115008967 M * shuri i reboot 2 days ago
1115008972 M * shuri 245 days
1115008975 M * shuri uptime
1115008983 M * Bertl well, thanks for the flowers!
1115008986 M * shuri 2.4.28-rc1
1115009019 M * shuri patch-2.4.27-vs1.29-q0.14.diff
1115009036 M * shuri 15 verser
1115009043 M * shuri in production...
1115009061 M * shuri the project rocks..
1115009077 M * Bertl I'm glad that we could stabilize the linux-vserver stuff .. this was the hardest part (features are always fun ;)
1115009088 M * shuri just wounder if change scheme is a good thing..
1115009091 M * eXplasm :>
1115009109 M * Bertl that's why I'm very hapy with 2.6/1.9.x, because it's very stable too
1115009125 M * shuri to much release for me
1115009129 M * shuri :)
1115009141 M * shuri cannot reboot eache week
1115009141 M * shuri lol
1115009157 M * shuri Bertl is too fast
1115009174 M * Bertl well, the kernel IMHO should be part of an 'upgrade/service' plan 
1115009197 M * shuri 2.4.30-vs1.2.10 #1 SMP 
1115009197 M * Bertl basically you can easily schedule an update every 2-3 weeks
1115009213 M * shuri with the same scheme yes
1115009216 M * Bertl should not take more than 5min vserver down ...
1115009228 M * shuri agree?
1115009242 M * Bertl well, that's the point why we have the legacy support?
1115009252 M * Bertl you take the old server/config and just start it ...
1115009296 M * shuri maybe i am too old vserver based user..
1115009303 M * shuri :(
1115009353 M * shuri i remember the days when chbind was running inside the vserver
1115009355 M * shuri :)
1115009382 M * Bertl look, you pay the time I need to write a conversion tool (which can convert from/too the tree config) and I'll do it, deal?
1115009396 M * shuri need money?
1115009416 M * Bertl always ... have to pay my bills too ...
1115009449 M * shuri i can give you all bandwithd all server for testing all my time for testing
1115009530 M * Bertl and you know I appreciate that ...
1115009542 A * shuri go to casino
1115009635 M * Bertl okay, make a suggestion what to trade for such a conversion script?
1115009680 M * shuri legacy to new scheme?
1115009763 M * shuri about Kernel 2.4 to kernel 2.6 transition...
1115009773 M * Bertl well, legacy to new is trivial
1115009794 M * Bertl I was more thinking of single-file to tree-based
1115009800 M * Bertl (and the other direction)
1115009800 M * shuri k
1115009822 M * shuri dont know why i cannot be done
1115009831 M * shuri dev="eth0"
1115009837 M * shuri ip="x.x.x.x"
1115009842 M * shuri in one file
1115009863 M * shuri how is different from 2 files?
1115009865 M * Bertl you can, as I said, but it gets confusing easily
1115009878 M * shuri let say
1115009893 M * shuri dev1="eth0"
1115009900 M * shuri ip1="x.x.x.x"
1115009912 M * shuri netmask1="x.x.x.x"
1115009919 M * shuri dev2="x.x.x.x"
1115009932 M * shuri dev2="eth1"
1115009936 M * shuri ip2="x.x.x.x"
1115009950 M * Bertl hah! you already got it wrong ;)
1115009956 M * shuri lol
1115009961 M * shuri i am drunk
1115009965 M * Bertl I know!
1115009970 M * shuri :)
1115009983 M * shuri you know i speak french?
1115010005 M * Bertl hmm, well, I assumed it ...
1115010006 M * shuri hey oui je parles francais:)
1115010016 M * shuri quebecois power
1115010032 M * shuri lol
1115010179 M * shuri the fact is the legacy conf is more simple
1115010191 M * shuri ip="x.x.x.x x.x.x.x x.x.x.x x.x.x.x"
1115010233 M * Bertl yup, and this becomes even more confusing if you use ethX:x.x.x.x/yy
1115010256 M * Bertl but sure, it works too ... never said that ...
1115010269 M * shuri new sceme is terribly confusing,,
1115010297 M * Bertl it's made for tools to change it .. there is where the power lies
1115010297 M * shuri i do not  about flower page!
1115010340 M * Bertl it's much easier to write a new value to a file, than to parse the entire config file and change a single entry in a 200 char ip="" line
1115010369 M * shuri yes i understand
1115010372 M * Bertl what really puzzles me that there _are_ no tools to do that for you
1115010398 M * shuri from coder view
1115010432 M * Bertl for example I would have expected folks to write a linuxconf frontend for the new config tree
1115010456 M * shuri other tools from jacques..
1115010457 M * Bertl it should be quite easy too, and allow you to view everything with a simple interface
1115010563 A * shuri say Jacques Gelinas need to be here!
1115010624 M * shuri linuxconf / vserver was create by him
1115010630 M * shuri his the gyu..
1115010650 M * Bertl yup, and I guess he could easily do a linuxconf frontend for the new scheme too
1115010673 M * shuri i think he is not agree we the new scheme
1115010703 M * Bertl well, that I don't know .. maybe he doesn't maybe he does
1115010758 M * shuri version 0.32 still using legacy
1115010776 M * shuri anyway
1115010782 M * Bertl well, it's hard to support the new stuff out of the blue ..
1115010794 M * shuri i will live with new scheme 
1115010802 M * shuri i will migrate to it
1115010807 M * shuri no problem
1115010809 M * Bertl good!
1115010817 M * shuri but
1115010837 M * shuri i do not think is a right choice
1115010859 M * shuri xen use it
1115010863 M * shuri uml
1115010865 M * shuri use it
1115010870 M * shuri solaris us 1
1115010873 M * shuri use it
1115010881 M * shuri one files
1115010884 M * shuri file
1115010904 M * shuri why vserver use 15 files for one server???
1115010933 M * Bertl well, there are a bunch of other apps using tree style configs
1115010966 M * Bertl and I'm not convinced that for example dhcp config is superior to a broken out version ...
1115010967 M * shuri we talk about Virtual Apps..
1115011062 M * Bertl does that make the single file config the better one?
1115011093 M * shuri for migrate yes..
1115011104 M * shuri think about old user..
1115011124 M * Bertl they can use the legacy config ...
1115011143 M * shuri well ok you win..
1115011157 A * shuri hide in corner
1115011165 M * shuri :(
1115011576 M * shuri have a nice night/day everyone
1115011589 M * shuri cya Bertl 
1115011629 M * shuri if you need anything exept coding .... ask me :) 
1115011649 M * Bertl k, thanks!
1115011671 N * shuri ShuriZzZzZ
1115011743 J * bro ~vanity@lanparty.lv
1115011777 J * wurd ~kvlt@modemcable157.235-201-24.mc.videotron.ca
1115011825 J * locksy ~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au
1115012338 M * Bertl welcome bro! wurd! locksy!
1115013723 J * hillct ~hillct@client200-5.dsl.intrex.net
1115013754 M * hillct mugwump ping
1115013791 M * Bertl morning hillct!
1115013799 M * hillct Bertl!
1115013908 M * hillct I tried something mugwump suggested; to set localhost to a private ip (192.168.1.5 in this case) rather than 127.0.0.1 so as to be able to bind to localhohost on the same ports in each vhost
1115013940 M * hillct he suggested that I could simply change the IP of localhost as defined in /etc/hosts of each vserver
1115013953 M * hillct sounded fishy to me when it was suggested
1115013959 M * hillct doesn't seem to work at all
1115013966 M * Bertl hmm .. should work if done properly ...
1115013977 M * hillct so I didn't do it properly
1115013993 M * Bertl but let's take a step back and tell me what you want to accomplish ... not how ;)
1115014049 M * hillct I want to implement an apache proxy configuration whereby there's one instance of apache on the public IP and one on the private IP
1115014099 M * hillct because the private IP 127.0.0.1 is shared across vhosts, it was suggested that I should set it differently in each vhost to avoid conflists
1115014105 M * hillct conflicts
1115014131 M * Bertl what's the purpose of this setup?
1115014139 M * hillct long story
1115014144 M * Bertl tell me ;)
1115014194 M * hillct esentially, the proxy instance of apache serves static content, and forwards the synamic requests to a second instance thich has mod_perl and a tong of other stuff built in
1115014224 M * Bertl ah, okay, I see ..
1115014231 M * hillct It's a performance booting measure. Let the leaner apache handle most requsts etc...
1115014236 M * Bertl all the vservers are under your control?
1115014237 M * hillct er boosting
1115014242 M * hillct yes
1115014250 M * hillct I could just track port usage across all
1115014260 M * hillct but I'd rather not if I can avoid it
1115014280 M * hillct since while I control the host machine, I don't want to police my vhost users
1115014287 M * hillct if I can avoid it
1115014328 M * Bertl sure ... your vservers are configured securely?
1115014344 M * hillct as best I can tell
1115014352 M * hillct I'm still somewhat new at this
1115014357 M * hillct but I tried
1115014374 M * Bertl well, no CAP_NET_RAW stuff and such?
1115014400 M * hillct I didn't make any specific changes there
1115014420 M * hillct so whever the default is in 1.9.5
1115014503 M * hillct in retrospect I should have setup each vhost with the nproc flag though
1115014513 M * hillct I may go back and do that at some point
1115014616 M * hillct brb
1115014666 M * Bertl nproc is not used on 2.6 ;)
1115014673 M * hillct ah
1115014684 M * Bertl the limits control that ...
1115014698 M * Bertl i.e. you ahve much preciser control over such things ...
1115014714 M * Bertl s/preciser/more precise/
1115014717 M * hillct As soon as I get the services working I'm going to mess with the rlimits and vdlimit etc
1115014730 M * hillct yah
1115014745 M * Bertl okay, so if your vserver guests are basically 'secure' .. and under your control ...
1115014776 M * Bertl I would suggest to use 127.0.0.x addresses x!=0,1,255 for the 'local' services
1115014814 M * hillct yah
1115014817 M * hillct K
1115014984 A * hillct tests
1115015044 M * hillct and the only place I should have to change the iP is in /etc/hosts ?
1115015055 M * hillct I bet I'm missing a location
1115015077 M * Bertl depends on how you access those services ...
1115015092 M * Bertl I'd say apache A should query apache B no?
1115015115 M * hillct well, I need to change apache configs too. I meant at the system level
1115015137 M * Bertl the system doesn't care .. you ahve to 'allow' the additional ip ...
1115015163 M * Bertl i.e. you add 127.0.0.x to the list of ips (without any interface)
1115015181 M * hillct ah
1115015189 M * Bertl do you use the legacy config or the new tree based one?
1115015202 M * hillct this is what I'm missing. new tree based config
1115015208 M * hillct what list of IPs?
1115015222 M * Bertl okay, then create a new interfaces/X dir
1115015233 M * hillct I see how when assigning to interface/#
1115015240 M * Bertl with the following entries:
1115015335 M * Bertl ip - 127.0.0.x
1115015337 M * Bertl nodev
1115015364 M * hillct so this would be interface 1 ?
1115015374 M * Bertl yes
1115015376 M * hillct ah
1115015393 M * hillct is nodev the filename or the name of the device in the dev file?
1115015403 M * Bertl nodev is the filename
1115015408 M * hillct ah
1115015414 M * Bertl you do not have a dev file in this one
1115015428 M * Bertl (as you do not want the tools to create an entry/alias)
1115015437 M * hillct makes sense
1115015452 M * Bertl then you configure the 'local' apache to bind to this ip
1115015481 M * Bertl and you use that ip for the public one to connect to ...
1115015518 A * hillct restarts the vserver
1115015524 M * hillct moment of truth time...
1115015699 M * hillct hmm
1115015705 M * hillct progress has been made.
1115015710 M * hillct thanks
1115016382 M * hillct the rest being apache config stuff
1115016439 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1115019238 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com
1115019273 M * Bertl morning prae!
1115019293 M * Bertl how is life at 'mandriva' ;)
1115019372 M * prae it's well  ;-P
1115019422 M * Bertl I can understand _why_ the name changed .. but honestly, I don't really like it ;)
1115019570 M * prae name changed 'cause lawsuit since 5 years ago
1115019586 M * Bertl yup, excactly ...
1115019602 M * Bertl was the perfect chance to do it ...
1115019629 M * SiD3WiNDR do you rename all that drak stuff to drivstuff? ;)
1115019652 M * Bertl excellent question ;)
1115019658 M * prae no, of course  :p
1115019664 M * SiD3WiNDR hehe
1115019677 M * SiD3WiNDR I was wondering about that since I heard about the namechange 
1115019706 M * SiD3WiNDR I did some i18n stuff a few years ago and remembered drakX, drakConf etc :)
1115019736 M * prae :)
1115019755 M * prae lawsuit is only for name (mandrake) and logo (magician)
1115019773 M * Bertl btw, saw a bunch of outdated util-vserver rpms pop up on pbone ...
1115019783 M * prae not for util-name :)
1115019797 M * Bertl (in mandrake/contrib)
1115019881 M * Bertl distributions/mandrakelinux/devel/10.2/i586/media/contrib/util-vserver-0.30.204-1mdk.i586.rpm
1115020214 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176
1115020219 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1115020273 M * Bertl morning alexx!
1115020289 M * alexx morning Bertl :)
1115020596 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it
1115020611 M * Bertl morning Pazzo!
1115020615 M * Pazzo moin Bertl!
1115020652 N * Pazzo PazZzzzooo
1115020655 M * PazZzzzooo (back soon)
1115020681 P * erwan_ho Leaving
1115020982 J * romke romke@procyon.romke.net
1115020990 M * Bertl morning romke!
1115021482 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later ...
1115021490 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1115022245 Q * kevinp Read error: Connection reset by peer
1115022936 J * DuckMaster ~duckx@195.75.27.158
1115023185 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251
1115023207 J * ComplexHo ~ComplexHo@funk.gotadsl.co.uk
1115023235 M * bro det
1115023236 M * bro oh
1115023237 M * bro ;>
1115023424 P * hillct 
1115024150 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-157-205-19.ppp.tiscali.fr
1115024276 Q * rs Quit: leaving
1115024368 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
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1115025663 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1115025929 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1115026028 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251
1115026167 Q * SNy Read error: Operation timed out
1115026329 Q * cereal Quit: Serverwechsel
1115026942 J * SNy ~mfr@bmx-chemnitz.de
1115026960 J * cereal ~cereal@217.20.124.153
1115027890 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving
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1115028487 J * kalou ~kalou@AToulouse-203-1-3-246.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr
1115028487 Q * BWare Read error: Connection reset by peer
1115028858 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
1115029886 J * Johan ~johan@194.151.113.2
1115029888 M * Johan Hi all
1115030118 Q * BWare Remote host closed the connection
1115030177 M * Johan I have a (production) machine with 2.4.28 patched against vserver-1.29. The machine really runs nicely for a couple of months now, but has 1 strange behaviour. It seems the load-average sometimes gets very high. When I ssh to it and forexample run top, the load (almost)immediately drops down
1115030601 N * PazZzzzooo Pazzo
1115032056 M * cemil FaUl: hey, FaUl :-)
1115032454 Q * mugwump Read error: Operation timed out
1115034500 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
1115034517 Q * BWare Remote host closed the connection
1115034544 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
1115035545 J * Zeithase ~hes@p54B81423.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1115035547 M * Zeithase Hi.
1115035585 M * Zeithase Did anyone of you see "click"?
1115036375 Q * flock Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1115036604 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1115037279 Q * Zeithase Quit: Buh.
1115037484 J * alef72 ~alef@fw.acsys.it
1115037724 P * alef72 
1115037762 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1115037763 J * alef ~alef@fw.acsys.it
1115037810 M * Bertl Johan: could it be that some cpu speed step/scaling happens?
1115037936 M * alef hi people
1115038079 M * Bertl hi alef!
1115038086 M * alef i'm try # vserver rh73 build -m rpm -- -b /my/rpms ~/rh73
1115038121 M * alef with rh73 as listing of base packages for redhat7.3 taken from umlbuilder
1115038179 M * alef following step-by-step guide 2.6 on linux-vserver.org
1115038199 M * Johan Bertl: Hmmm no
1115038264 M * alef there was missing a /vserver/.pkg dir so i created and step forward,
1115038288 M * alef but now get a mount: mount point /etc/rpm does not exist.
1115038368 M * alef can someone help me? thx
1115038445 M * Bertl when do you get that?
1115038458 M * alef building
1115038506 M * alef command line above
1115038528 M * Bertl and where is the howto you are referring to?
1115038567 M * alef http://linux-vserver.org/Step-by-Step+Guide+2.6
1115038618 M * Bertl hmm, don't see anything like your build command there ...
1115038678 M * Bertl but I assume you took it from the util-vserver page
1115038704 M * Bertl and /my/rpms is the basedir, and ~/rh73 is the package list?
1115039146 N * Doener_zZz Doener
1115039170 M * Doener morning folks
1115039182 J * wurd ~kvlt@modemcable157.235-201-24.mc.videotron.ca
1115039201 M * Bertl morning Doener!
1115039205 M * Bertl wb wurd!
1115039209 M * wurd hi!
1115039319 M * wurd i'm still stuck with this 'rpmpriorities' problem
1115039410 M * Bertl which exactly was?
1115039474 M * wurd well, i'm trying to install mandrake in my vserver right?
1115039479 Q * BWare Read error: Operation timed out
1115039490 M * wurd [root@localhost apt]# vserver edulinux build -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.16/16 ---d mdk101
1115039490 M * wurd E: Could not open file /etc/vservers/edulinux/apps/pkgmgmt/base/apt/etc/rpmpriorities - open (2 Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type)
1115039499 M * Doener export LC_ALL=C
1115039524 M * Doener and did you create that file?
1115039528 M * Bertl is there really no space between -- and -d ?
1115039549 M * wurd there is a space bert1, its just the copy/pasting that messes it up
1115039592 M * wurd Doener no i didnt create "that file"... youre referring to 'rpmpriorities' right ?
1115039608 M * wurd E: Could not open file /etc/vservers/mandrake2/apps/pkgmgmt/base/apt/etc/rpmpriorities - open (2 No such file or directory)
1115039608 M * wurd E: could not open package priority file /etc/vservers/mandrake2/apps/pkgmgmt/base/apt/etc/rpmpriorities
1115039608 M * wurd W: Release files for some repositories could not be retrieved or authenticated. Such repositories are being ignored.
1115039619 M * wurd E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object
1115039619 M * Doener wurd: take a look at, for example, /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fcs/apt/rpmpriorities ... then create that file for your mandrake configuration
1115039665 M * Doener (create your file below /etc/vservers/...., _not_ below /usr/lib/util-vserver/...)
1115039688 M * wurd my rpmpriorities file in 'distributions/fc3/apt' only contains 6 lines
1115039698 M * Doener same here
1115039710 M * wurd it says :        "Essential: basesystem, coreutils, filesystem, glibc, setup"
1115039721 M * wurd what does it mean ?
1115039735 M * Doener i'd assume that it declared those packages as being essential...
1115039749 M * wurd and its probably the same ones with mandrake?
1115039785 M * Doener maybe... you would have to check which packages are essential for a mandrake vserver
1115039819 M * wurd so the 'rpmpriorities' file is a vserver file, and not a repository file, right ?
1115039832 M * Bertl looks good at first glance ...
1115039845 M * Bertl (the list)
1115039867 M * wurd 'rpmpriorities' is a file needed by vserver and created by vserver, and has nothing to do with a repository ?
1115039872 M * Doener it is used by apt-rpm... and the tools provide a special rpmpriorities file, as the distribution defaults may not be what you want in a vserver
1115039929 M * Doener and of course if you use different distros on host and guest, your host's rpmpriorities file might not match anyway, so you need a distro specific one
1115040020 M * alef bertl: yes i took it from alpha+util-server page in "generic RPM based" Vserver creation section
1115040059 M * alef rh73 contains line like glibc-2.2.5-34.i686.rpm
1115040118 M * Bertl okay, and what about the directory you created?
1115040157 M * alef mkdir /vservers/.pkg
1115040199 M * alef the error was: pkgcfgbase-dir '/vservers/.pkg' does not exist or is invalid
1115040235 M * alef but i found in lib/util-vserver that this path was supposed to be a directory.
1115040354 Q * Pazzo Quit: .
1115040467 M * Bertl well, yes and no, it's supposed to be a link to the basedir (which contains the rpm packages)
1115040493 M * Bertl and IIRC, it has subdirs ...
1115040551 M * alef now, vserver build creates files in etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/rh73 and etc/vservers/rh73
1115040587 M * alef but stops at mount: mount point /etc/rpm does not exist, so i need to add --force to retry.
1115040708 M * Bertl well, no, what you need is to cleanup the already created stuff ...
1115040724 M * Bertl (which I have to admit, might be a little tricky)
1115040743 M * Bertl (a bug report is already filed, guess enrico will fix that in the next release)
1115040758 M * alef yes i'm doing that also.
1115040887 M * Bertl what tool version do you use right now?
1115040909 M * alef util-vserver-0.30.205
1115040926 M * alef linux-2.6.11.5-vs1.9.5
1115040961 M * Bertl hmm, could you give 0.30.207 a try?
1115040987 M * alef ok
1115041038 M * Bertl and remove the dirs you created ...
1115041465 M * alef the same error for /vservers/.pkg (pkgcfgbase-dir '/vservers/.pkg' does not exist or is invalid)
1115041515 M * Bertl okay, remove the already created dirs (or choos a different name, i.e. by adding 001) and start it again with --debug as first option right after the vserver
1115041567 M * alef yes i already have --debug on :)
1115041570 M * Bertl then please upload the output somewhere (i.e. http://www.rafb.net/paste/)
1115041576 M * alef ok
1115041833 M * alef i never used rafb but i think i must give you this url (?)
1115041841 M * alef http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/LrqyFe89.html
1115041865 M * Bertl looks good ;)
1115041884 M * alef at the end my rh73.paths file
1115041930 M * Bertl hmm, you configured the tools for /usr/local/etc =
1115041934 M * Bertl s/=/?/
1115041938 M * alef oops.. but i post you something false..
1115041954 M * alef yes prefix is /usr/local
1115041961 M * alef basedir is /vservers
1115041965 M * Bertl okay, just checking ...
1115041976 M * Bertl your rpms are located where?
1115041997 M * Bertl /usr/local/mnt/Unix/RedHat/7.3/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ ?
1115042009 M * alef yes
1115042022 M * Bertl okay, do the following:
1115042028 M * Bertl mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/
1115042038 M * Bertl rm -f /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/rh73
1115042047 M * Bertl ln -s /usr/local/mnt/Unix/RedHat/7.3/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/rh73
1115042074 M * Bertl then try again with a different name
1115042098 M * Bertl (and this looks like a bug to me ;)
1115042136 M * alef must give -b <dir> ?
1115042167 M * Bertl specify it for now ...
1115042189 M * alef ok
1115042197 M * alef need you another paste ?
1115042209 M * alef (error is mount poiny /etc/rpm/ dos not exist)
1115042217 M * alef point, sorry.
1115042281 M * Bertl Doener: any ideas?
1115042306 M * alef CHPXFL21
1115042394 A * Bertl .o( hmm, should I agree? ;)
1115042404 M * alef my host is a debian/unstable with rpm-4.0.4-29 installed
1115042568 M * alef testme.sh runs all tests ok.
1115042571 M * Bertl okay, please try to cleanup your installation, make a default install of the tools (0.30.207) try again from scratch and report the resulting failure (including the distro/rpm version) to enrico (either via the ml, or even better on savannah)
1115042601 M * alef ok thanks
1115042635 M * Bertl alef: yeah, the kernel and tools should work fine (within the known parameters) but it seems there is a bug regarding the rpm-list install type (at least on debian)
1115042694 M * Bertl make sure to add the output of vserver-info - SYSINFO
1115042737 M * alef ok i'm preparing to file a bug report on savannah.
1115042870 M * alef i didn't use dietlibc
1115042974 M * Bertl hmm .. bad boy!
1115042987 M * alef :) fat boy ...
1115043009 M * alef nor beecrypt
1115043019 Q * Vudumen Read error: Connection reset by peer
1115043021 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1115043045 M * Bertl well, if you want to leave enrico no excuses, then you should at least compile with dietlibc ;)
1115043082 M * alef ok
1115043145 M * alef can i remove -rf etc/vserver dir and vserver.conf ?
1115043184 M * alef will be recreated by make install from util-vserver ?
1115043232 M * Bertl would suggest a make uninstall first
1115043616 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net
1115043625 M * Bertl welcome kevinp!
1115043638 M * kevinp thanks Bertl!
1115043834 M * Doener Bertl: hmm... seems like i lost connection... reading up now
1115043963 M * Bertl alef: how large are your packages (from the list) in total?
1115044065 M * Doener alef: which build method are you using?
1115044080 M * alef -b rpm
1115044124 M * Doener s/-b/-m/ ?
1115044208 M * alef yes :)
1115044217 M * Doener k :)
1115044277 M * alef 86 Mbytes
1115044304 M * alef i took the list from umlbuilder for rh73
1115044311 M * Bertl okay, can you provide the list and an url (probably from some mandrake mirror?)
1115044322 M * Bertl s/mandrake/rh73/
1115044372 M * alef i paste you a LANG=C xargs du -ck <~alef/rh73.paths  from RPMS dir
1115044374 M * Doener < Bertl> ln -s /usr/local/mnt/Unix/RedHat/7.3/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ 
1115044374 M * Doener                     /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/rh73
1115044384 M * Doener what's that?
1115044425 M * Doener vdirbase should point to /vservers ... why do we want a symlink to that RPMS directory there?
1115044444 M * Bertl hmm, right, I was confused ...
1115044446 M * alef http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ojfRRY86.html  for the list
1115044507 M * Doener yeah, those 3 lines didn't make sense ;)
1115044513 M * alef it's a nfs mounted ro filesystem
1115044570 M * alef now the system is clean and has vdirbase -> /vservers
1115044600 M * Doener ok, i'll have to clean my car (just a little ;)... back in, say, 20 minutes... i'll try to do setup a rpm build method based vserver in qemu (debian based disk image) then...
1115044610 N * Doener Doener|gone
1115044623 M * ComplexHo Afternoon all :)
1115044674 M * ComplexHo has anyone had any luck patching against a stock RH (FC3) kernel?
1115044698 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
1115044769 M * Bertl welcome ComplexHo! BWare!
1115044776 M * ComplexHo hi Bertl :)
1115044784 M * Bertl ComplexHo: why would you want to?
1115044851 M * ComplexHo well, I have used vanilla with great success before, but in this case I am trying to get GFS up and running...  There are RPMs for the various components ready-built and it seems like path of least effort would be to work with a stock FC3 kernel 
1115044876 M * ComplexHo I have had extremely limited success getting GFS working against vanilla kernel
1115044914 M * Bertl you are talking about prebuilt modules?
1115044943 M * ComplexHo yes
1115044959 M * Bertl I can assure you, they will break horribly with a vserver kernel ;)
1115044977 M * ComplexHo :)  but I should be able to rebuild them from .srpm surely?
1115045003 M * Bertl yes, that should also work with a vanilla kernel though
1115045043 M * ComplexHo ok I was thinking they might work better against a RH-based kernel though?
1115045074 M * Bertl I'd say, you just add the overhead of 'adapting' the vserver patches ...
1115045086 M * Bertl but feel free to do so ;)
1115045098 M * ComplexHo well, it seems to patch quite cleanly (but haven't managed to build it yet ;)
1115045116 M * ComplexHo only had to comment a couple of the RH patches to get it in
1115045180 M * eXplasm Bertl: do you have any solution for my traceroute problem from yesterday?
1115045231 M * Bertl eXplasm: hmm, IIRC we stoped at some point, no?
1115045279 M * Bertl we verified that the cap is there, then ... ?
1115045316 M * eXplasm traceroute says that it cant create "raw" sockets ... icmp is enables ... but raw?
1115045386 M * Bertl well, might be that your traceroute wants to do pure raw sockets ...
1115045393 T * services.oftc.net http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.5, 2.0-pre3, ng9.4  -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)   
1115045430 M * Bertl usually the tools do raw icmp sockets, which are allowed by that cap .. if the traceroute insists on raw sockets, it's not possible without ngnet ...
1115045455 M * Bertl btw, tracepath is a much better alternative ...
1115045564 M * eXplasm kk
1115045674 M * Bertl ping does work from inside the vserver?
1115045746 M * eXplasm sure
1115045754 M * eXplasm tracepath works ;)
1115045754 M * eXplasm ok
1115046166 M * Bertl you could do an strace -fF of the failing traceroute to get more information
1115046251 Q * Johan Remote host closed the connection
1115046251 Q * BWare Read error: Connection reset by peer
1115047064 Q * Vudumen Remote host closed the connection
1115047121 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1115047204 M * eXplasm hmm i have created the vsconfig/rlimit/ressource.hard file ... but in which syntax can i add the "CPU" limitations?!
1115047224 M * eXplasm any example files?
1115047229 M * Doener|gone you should replace <ressource> by the ressource you want to limit ;)
1115047241 M * Doener|gone but cpu rlimits are probably not what you want...
1115047257 N * Doener|gone Doener
1115047271 M * Bertl car-clean?
1115047277 M * eXplasm you mean: rlimits/cpu.hard ?!
1115047286 M * Doener eXplasm: IIRC yes
1115047294 M * Doener Bertl: well, clean enough for my taste ;)
1115047339 M * Bertl Doener: you might help me with yum/apt-get ...
1115047340 M * eXplasm ah, ok ;).... i want to forbit that user start programms like "seti" ... or ... the the processes only can use a little bit from the main cpu
1115047407 M * Doener eXplasm: cpu rlimits would kill your whole vserver after using X seconds of cpu time... you want to use schedprio or schedhard...
1115047426 M * Doener Bertl: i certainly can't help you with yum, with apt-get chances are better ;)
1115047442 M * Bertl okay, let's start with that ... then ;)
1115047460 M * Bertl I have some apt-get installed (well the only one I found for fc2)
1115047472 M * eXplasm kk
1115047498 M * Bertl Doener: it's apt-0.5.15cnc6-1.1.fc2.fr
1115047531 M * eXplasm hmm ... i have a problem ... each day (or more) all vserver need a restart, because he lost the network interface ... anyone know this problem?
1115047537 M * Bertl Doener: is that new/old/outdated?
1115047573 M * wurd there is no pkglist.os & pkglist.updates files in the repository i am using. what does it mean ?
1115047574 M * Bertl eXplasm: no vserver loses it's interface, but probably you remove the primary interface, which causes all secondaries to go ...
1115047574 M * Doener that's apt4rpm... no idea what version is up2data there...
1115047601 M * Bertl Doener: okay, the problem might be the version but actually it lies somewhere else ...
1115047620 M * Bertl I do apt-get update ... everything seems fine
1115047621 M * eXplasm hmm no Bertl  ... vserver is started, but the secondary interface is "away"  and ip addr show, doesnt show the vsever ip
1115047645 J * Vudumen_ vudumen@perverz.hu
1115047655 M * Bertl eXplasm: do you know what I'm talking about if I say 'primary' and 'secondary' ?
1115047668 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
1115047668 M * eXplasm yeah, the primary interface is up .... ever
1115047677 M * Bertl Doener: it even downloads a few lists ...
1115047744 Q * Vudumen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1115047752 M * Bertl eXplasm: check 'ip addr ls' on the host .. look for entries which have 'secondary' there ...
1115047816 M * alef ok thx Bertl i filed bug #12935 just now on savannah.
1115047829 M * Doener Bertl: ok, and then?
1115047832 M * eXplasm hmmm ... eth0 the main interface is primary ... but the first vserver eth, is primary too?
1115047838 M * Bertl Doener: now if I do apt-get upgrade .. it suggests a list of to-be-updated packages ... but when I say okay, it just gets 404 not found or permission denied .. are all apt-rpm repositories broken?
1115047869 M * Bertl eXplasm: see, that's how linux networking works ...
1115047888 M * Doener hmm... 404 usually only occurs if the package lists are outdated, the update should normally have fixed that...
1115047958 M * eXplasm yeah ... eth0 is primary ... but i have ment that the vserver eth's are "virtual" ... vs2 and vs3 are secondary ... but vs1 is an virtual device and primary? *confused*!
1115047961 M * Bertl tried two different repositories .. wher can I find more?
1115047984 M * Bertl eXplasm: are you using ngnet?
1115048001 M * eXplasm aehm, whats that?
1115048009 M * Bertl didn't think so ;)
1115048015 M * eXplasm :D
1115048032 M * Bertl eXplasm: just because there _are_ no virtual interfaces (unless you use ngnet ;)
1115048060 M * Bertl there _are_ real interfaces, aliases and addresses
1115048100 M * Bertl but, if you assign addresses in different subnets to an interface, the first asssigned address for each subnet will become primary
1115048103 M * eXplasm hmm, and if i reboot vserver-one,  vserver-two and three' NIC will be "dropped" ?D
1115048112 M * Doener Bertl: fc2?
1115048117 M * Bertl yup
1115048120 M * Doener http://fedoralegacy.org/download/fedoralegacy-mirrors.php
1115048135 M * Bertl eXplasm: exactly, that's how linux-networking is designed
1115048155 M * eXplasm :D ok, thx for information ... 
1115048177 A * Bertl thinks it's a bug after all (in linux mainline) but didn't get around fixing it yet ...
1115048178 M * eXplasm aehm .... thats the same problem if i DONT add a "name" for the eth's or?
1115048188 M * Bertl Doener: thanks!
1115048221 M * Doener hmm... the page says transition is underway...
1115048223 M * Doener http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html
1115048232 M * Doener maybe you should still use this one... not sure ;)
1115048237 A * Doener doesn't use fc ;)
1115048305 M * Bertl well, I'm testing for enrico, so sue me ;)
1115048896 M * Bertl tried the next local repository, this doesn't even provide the package lists :(
1115048990 M * Bertl Doener: are you sure you are pointing me to apt-rpm repositories?
1115049180 M * Doener at least for the first page, i am pretty sure, as it mentions which ones have apt support...
1115049237 M * Bertl hmm .. the us mirror seems to work ...
1115049262 M * Bertl are european apt folks incompetent?
1115049308 M * Doener fc2 is in transition to legacy... i guess that causes some troubles...
1115049349 M * Bertl is fc3 already final?
1115049459 M * Doener seems so... fc4test2 is already available...
1115049459 M * Bertl and did they drop apt support now?
1115049480 M * Doener AFAICT the legacy project now (or at least soon) supports fc2
1115049518 M * Bertl but fc3/f4 is yum?
1115049556 M * Doener AFAIK fc has always supported both
1115049559 M * Doener apt and yum
1115049579 M * daniel_hozac yum has always been in Core. apt has always been in Extras (previously fedora.us).
1115049633 M * Bertl how do I update my apt?
1115049658 M * daniel_hozac apt-get update && apt-get upgrade apt?
1115049734 M * daniel_hozac if you want to use apt, you'll likely want to use fedora.us' mirror.
1115049759 M * Bertl yeah, well, figured so .. all others seem to dos trange things ...
1115050034 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded.
1115050045 M * Bertl so I can assume it's up-to-date?
1115050053 M * daniel_hozac i would assume so.
1115050065 M * Bertl okay, thanks!
1115050159 M * eXplasm hmm, can i fix the eth problem without using your ngnet thing? :(
1115050191 M * Bertl well, you can assign a 'dummy' primary ip for each subnet
1115050221 M * eXplasm good idea :)
1115050672 J * rs ~rs@staff.lycos.fr
1115050686 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting
1115050688 M * rs hi there
1115050702 M * Bertl welcome rs! you are new here, no?
1115050714 M * rs haha :)
1115050752 M * rs how are you ?
1115050760 M * Bertl fine thanks! and you?
1115050767 M * rs fine too
1115050778 M * Bertl what brings you here?
1115050801 M * rs how is vserver doing ? :)
1115050834 M * rs hmm nothing, was just setting up an IRC client on my laptop, I was idling on the channel this morning :)
1115050895 M * Bertl well, see topic ;)
1115050930 M * rs 2.0-pre3, not so shabby :)
1115050962 M * rs is the reboot bug finally fixed ?
1115050974 M * rs we still have it on lycos vds
1115050998 M * Bertl should be fixed from the kernel side ...
1115051018 M * rs we are using 2.6.11.6-vs1.9.5-unholdfix-initpidfix-vkillfeat-node with a patched version of util-vserver
1115051034 M * rs and the reboot problem is still there some time
1115051056 M * Bertl a lot changed since ;)
1115051057 M * rs always with a zombi mysqld process
1115051066 M * rs yeah I guess so :)
1115051182 M * Doener hey rs!
1115051193 M * rs hey doener!
1115051201 M * rs how are you doing ?
1115051232 M * Doener fine, getting better at kernel hacking :)
1115051251 M * Doener (at least i feel like getting better ;)
1115051268 M * Doener guess other have to judge about that ;)
1115051276 M * Doener s/other/others/
1115051291 A * Doener .oO( but worse at typing... )
1115051316 M * rs hehe you wasn't that bad before
1115051364 M * Doener depends on whom you compare me to ;)
1115051452 Q * logger Remote host closed the connection
1115051506 J * logger ~rs@vds.pas-mal.com
1115052353 P * kevinp Leaving
1115052803 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net
1115052956 M * Bertl wb kevinp!
1115053009 M * kevinp thanks again! :)
1115053119 M * Doener hmm... seems the first spam defeated the greylisting on the ml...
1115053155 M * Bertl yup ...
1115053189 N * ShuriZzZzZ Shuri
1115053195 P * alef 
1115053196 M * Doener morning Shuri 
1115053207 M * Shuri 13:00
1115053209 M * Shuri :)
1115053213 M * Shuri thx Doener
1115053215 M * ComplexHo and there was me confirming my Paypal details... ;)
1115053218 M * ComplexHo NOT
1115054556 J * knoppix_ ~knoppix@dsl-082-082-085-029.arcor-ip.net
1115054658 M * Bertl knoppix_: 8.0.1?
1115054758 M * Doener hm?
1115054811 M * Bertl hmm, 3.8.1 I mean ;)
1115054825 M * Doener ah, i.c.
1115054864 A * Bertl is confused .. not enough caffeine ;)
1115054877 A * Doener just got a new cup of coffee :)
1115054989 Q * rs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1115057177 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-058-035-105.arcor-ip.net
1115057919 M * wurd can somebody perhaps help? :)
1115057963 M * wurd i need a mandrake repository, but in apt-rpm format ..
1115057981 M * wurd its for building a vserver which would contain a whole mandrakelinux
1115058035 M * Bertl http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/repos.html
1115058163 M * anon1 so hi
1115058170 M * anon1 anybody miss me? :o
1115058189 M * wurd thanks Bertl 
1115058199 M * wurd ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/linux/apt/   so this is it...???
1115058208 M * wurd why do the sources.list files say 'fc3' ?
1115058208 M * Bertl anon1: sure, everybody did, unfortunately he left a few minutes ago ;)
1115058290 M * anon1 lol
1115058296 M * Bertl wurd: hmm, well, I found out today, that the apt-rpm stuff seems outdated, broken und somewhat unmaintained :/
1115058428 M * wurd what do you mean ?
1115058476 M * Bertl I have two explanations for the fc3 file:
1115058493 M * Bertl a) there never was a mandrake repository
1115058508 M * Bertl b) nobody really cared and it was removed
1115059204 M * wurd oh well..
1115059216 M * wurd so i should look some more for another repository ?
1115059264 M * Bertl probably .. or make your own ...
1115059632 M * Bertl does anybody here know of a 'debootstrap' source rpm?
1115059679 M * Doener i doubt there is one... it's a tool from debian folks for debian folks ;)
1115059699 M * Bertl well, I have plenty of 'binary' only debootstrap rpms ;)
1115059745 M * wurd where i am right now theres a repository
1115059757 M * wurd but theres no pkglist.os & pkglist.updates files
1115061017 M * Bertl hmm, sure it is an apt-rpm repository?
1115061106 M * wurd hm. probably not
1115061142 M * wurd it has a bunch of rpms though
1115061142 M * FaUl hmm, chbind --ip 192.168.30.2 ifconfig should only show 192.168.30.2, right?
1115061153 M * wurd what makes a repository an "apt-rpm" one ?
1115061219 M * Doener hm, google says, on mandrake you can use any urpmi repository as an apt4rpm repository...
1115061233 M * Doener but not further details given...
1115061238 M * Doener s/not/no/
1115061471 M * Bertl IMHO the vserver installation is getting more and more a debacle ...
1115061515 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk
1115061518 M * Bertl I'm now trying for almost 3 days to configure and setup a working (i.e. self contained) server on fc2 ...
1115061674 M * wurd hmm
1115061714 M * DaCa wurd: you see, you're not the only one :)
1115061725 M * Doener Bertl: what do you mean by 'self contained'?
1115061745 M * kalou to agree with Bertl, I did not have much more chance with the alpha tools either.. trying to upgrade from a few working vservers (utils 0.30) to alpha on 2.6 ..
1115061750 M * Bertl a server _with_ rpm database/management inside
1115061752 M * kalou Hi all !
1115061817 M * Bertl Doener: http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?func=detailitem&item_id=12938
1115061869 M * Doener btw, ot-question... how do i get irssi to scroll a (almost) full page instead of a half page when pressing PgUp/PgDown?
1115061987 M * DaCa Doener: /set scroll_page_count 1
1115062131 M * Doener /1 ;) thanks!
1115062141 M * Bertl hmm /1 ;)
1115062166 M * Bertl as I see it the tools are desperately missing three things
1115062192 M * Bertl a) a build method which makes a copy of an existing server (with changes to the config)
1115062212 M * Bertl b) a method to remove an entire vserver (or fragment)
1115062230 M * Bertl c) a tool to install a vserver from a given cd image
1115062295 M * kalou Bertl: for c, you mean from any distribution install disk ?
1115062327 M * Doener hmm, b would be "rm -r /vservers/<name> /etc/vservers/<name>", wouldn't it?
1115062331 M * DaCa Doener: sorry, my help is only as accurate as that of the alpha tools :)
1115062339 M * Doener *g*
1115062355 M * Bertl Doener: unfortunately no ... there are other dirs which might get created ...
1115062363 M * Doener which ones?
1115062368 M * Bertl but I agree, b) should be pretty easy
1115062479 M * Bertl # find / -name '*test5*'
1115062479 M * Bertl /var/lock/vserver.etcvserverstest5.startup
1115062479 M * Bertl /var/run/vservers/test5
1115062479 M * Bertl /etc/vservers/test5
1115062479 M * Bertl /vservers/.pkg/test5
1115062481 M * Bertl /vservers/test5
1115062534 M * Bertl of course, will differ from distro to distro :(
1115062588 M * Bertl kalou: yeah, either from the available packages or (even better) with the second stage installer on that cd
1115062806 M * Doener hmm... i'll try to get apt4rpm running on my box...
1115062942 M * Bertl and IMHO the next step to get something like this working are the following changes to the tools:
1115062960 M * Bertl - allow for skeleton build method without skeleton
1115062980 M * Bertl - add the remove entire vserver 'method'
1115062980 M * Doener i.e. configuration only?
1115062988 M * Bertl yup
1115063017 M * Bertl if this works, we can plug-in other build methods ...
1115063036 M * Bertl i.e. do a cp -va/rsync/whatever and have the config updated
1115063090 M * Bertl it's a pity that enrico doesn't show up here anymore .. but I guess he has his reasons ...
1115063146 M * Doener if there wasn't so much bash in there... i just feel stupid everytime i look at that stuff... ;)
1115063163 M * Bertl well, I'm good @ bash ...
1115063179 M * Bertl I'm still somewhat lost in his C code ...
1115063230 M * Doener i manage to read most of that... it seems kinda unusual though... but i guess folks would say that of my code too ;)
1115063250 M * Bertl so you find your way through the C parts?
1115063318 M * Doener cscope and grep (because of the .hc files and such) ;) and G in vim right from the start... i almost always start and main() and try to figure out one thing at a time
1115063339 M * Doener s/and main\(\)/at main()/
1115063399 M * Bertl okay (I take this as a yes, probably ;) so let's make a list and a plan how to proceed, then discuss it on the ml ... so that enrico has a chance to jump in ... then get the urgent things fixed and feedback changes to enrico, no?
1115063435 M * Doener hmm... seems my parser inserted a "how do" in your question ;)
1115063489 M * Doener but i guess if i start changing something, i won't match his style at all...
1115063517 M * Bertl well, that's something he can fix up later if he wants to ...
1115063550 M * Bertl do you see any alternative?
1115063602 M * Bertl (btw, I contacted him several times and asked him to show up more often ...)
1115063608 M * Doener no...
1115063616 M * Doener btw, did you file all those bug reports?
1115063772 M * Bertl yes, most of them ...
1115063894 M * Bertl okay, then let me get the pre4 out and we start making some userspace plans ...
1115064690 M * Doener hm... the apt4rpm .tar.bz2 doesn't build, and the svn checkout takes ages...
1115064712 M * Bertl welcome to the club!
1115064736 M * Doener so you're stealing bandwidth from my checkout, right? ;)
1115064744 M * Bertl of course!
1115064772 M * Doener i thought the download from that conectiva wiki was slow enough, but the svn repo is really unbeatable when i comes to being slow
1115064839 T * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.5, 2.0-pre4, ng9.4  -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)    
1115064906 Q * Shuri Quit: 
1115065010 M * Bertl Patch Linux-VServer-2.6.11.8-vs2.0-pre4 accepted as Patch ID#4434
1115065354 M * Bertl okay, let's make a plan then ...
1115065467 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/ToDo+List+Tools
1115065504 M * Bertl the personality stuff was added ... it needs some fixing but I'm confident enrico will do that ...
1115065527 M * Bertl not sure about the cpu affinity, but that can wait, no?
1115065532 M * Doener rpm-list based build method is there...
1115065548 M * Bertl yup, correct!
1115065580 M * Doener yup, that can wait...
1115065626 M * Doener those all look like bash things... :/
1115065718 M * Bertl no problem with that ... we'll find something for ya'
1115065737 M * Bertl two things which IMHO are very important ...
1115065750 J * kjo ~krischan@p5484DB96.dip.t-dialin.net
1115065753 M * Bertl (probably, or certainly) within the C code
1115065770 M * Bertl a) the dependancies to ext2fs and the kernel tree
1115065888 M * Bertl b) the new syscall replacement (i.e. for non x86 archs)
1115066093 M * Bertl okay, have to leave now .. but I'll be back in a few hours ...
1115066106 M * Doener ok, cya!
1115066117 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1115066503 M * Doener Bertl_oO: to get aptrpm to compile do a "autoreconf -f -i" before running configure...
1115066544 J * coruptkid ~coruptkid@82-43-89-92.cable.ubr08.croy.blueyonder.co.uk
1115066548 M * coruptkid Hi guys
1115066553 M * coruptkid Neone got a sec
1115066640 Q * Thorsten Quit: Leaving
1115067975 J * terr ~nobody@ip-213-49-106-244.dsl.scarlet.be
1115068451 M * Doener hm, nice... i'm actually building a fc3 server on a gentoo host now :)
1115068461 M * Doener s/server/vserver/
1115069535 M * pusling when does vserver hit version 2.0 stable? Is there any public timetable ? 
1115069558 M * pusling (Might need to book a date with somebody with a key to a server room ;)
1115069571 M * Doener no date planned...
1115070017 M * pusling then I will just sit back and wait ;)
1115070193 J * bulent ~Kacak-4-@dsl81-215-44241.adsl.ttnet.net.tr
1115070289 Q * bulent Quit: 
1115070386 Q * knoppix_ Quit: Verlassend
1115071445 M * Doener hmm... yum is quite slow it seems... the 'preparation' to ask me whether i'm satisfied with the chosen actions took so long that i thought it was already downloading all the stuff...
1115072101 Q * kjo Quit: Verlassend
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1115073105 J * Shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net
1115073120 P * terr 
1115073569 J * yarihm ~yarihm@217-162-113-122.dclient.hispeed.ch
1115073616 Q * yarihm Quit: 
1115073758 M * daniel_hozac Doener: yum 2.0 i assume?
1115073775 M * Doener dunno... just installed a fc3 vserver...
1115073805 M * daniel_hozac FC3 should have yum 2.1, which should be quite fast.
1115073831 M * Doener # yum --version
1115073831 M * Doener 2.2.0
1115073840 M * daniel_hozac even better ;)
1115073868 M * Doener i don't wanna know how slow yum2.0 was then... ;)
1115073980 M * daniel_hozac but yum 2.1+ downloads stuff while preparing the transaction.
1115074009 M * Doener hm, well... it also downloads stuff after that...
1115074025 M * daniel_hozac yup. that's when it downloads the actual packages.
1115074242 M * Doener hmm, maybe it's my connection/the mirror that sucks...
1115074366 N * ciphernautZZ ciphernaut
1115074377 M * ciphernaut morning all!
1115074383 M * Doener morning ciphernaut 
1115074519 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1115074536 M * Bertl back now ...
1115074544 A * Bertl stating the obvious ;)
1115074551 M * Doener wb Bertl 
1115074632 M * Bertl thanks Doener 
1115074643 A * Bertl now checking plm results ...
1115074787 M * ciphernaut hi Bertl!
1115074876 M * Bertl Doener: (ad plm) much better, only small issues ...
1115074893 M * Doener Bertl: could i get the url (once again)?
1115074911 M * Bertl sure, and I'll also upload the differences to mainline
1115075026 M * Bertl http://www.osdl.org/plm-cgi/plm?module=patch_info&patch_id=4434
1115075061 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/vs2.0-pre4_cross.info
1115075186 M * Doener looks good!
1115075244 M * Bertl guess the ia64 warndings are just an old run ...
1115075249 M * Bertl *warnings even
1115075305 M * Doener daniel_hozac: how can i choose the mirror i want to use with yum?
1115075328 M * Doener it looks like it has chosen a mirror on its own, but this one is painfully slow
1115075330 M * daniel_hozac Doener: change the configuration to point to a specific mirror rather than the mirror list.
1115075346 M * Bertl those look suspicious ... fs/xfs/linux-2.6/xfs_sysctl.c: *: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
1115075358 M * Doener hm, ^c does the trick ;) 
1115075365 M * Doener yum thinks the mirror has failed *g*
1115075393 M * Bertl and those are definitely vserver issues, although minor ones ...
1115075394 M * Bertl -include/asm-generic/tlb.h:117: warning: implicit declaration of function `page_cache_release'
1115075398 M * Bertl -include/asm-generic/tlb.h:77: warning: implicit declaration of function `release_pages'
1115075428 M * Bertl hmm, no, I take it back, those are just at other lines
1115075460 M * Doener Bertl: yup, xfs relies on the order of the ctl_table parts...
1115075462 M * Doener *sigh*
1115075474 M * Bertl ah, old style init?
1115075491 M * Bertl well, of course, everything is old in xfs ;)
1115075518 M * Doener i'll prepare a patch...
1115075528 M * Bertl excellent!
1115075614 M * Doener shall i just insert NULLs, or convert all the stuff to new style init?
1115075722 M * Bertl well, if you want to do latter, I would make it a separate patch and submit for mainline ...
1115075744 M * Bertl but be prepared to carry it around till 2.8 ;)
1115075748 M * Doener ok, i'll just insert NULLs...
1115076041 M * Doener http://www.13thfloor.at/~doener/vserver/patches/diff-2.6.11.8-vs2.0pre4-xfs_ctl_table_fix.diff
1115076111 M * Bertl hmm, <nitpick> could you move it in the next line? </nitpick>
1115076119 M * Doener sure..
1115076217 M * Doener updated...
1115076247 M * Bertl wow, you're fast? new script?
1115076262 M * Doener no... pretty easy changes ;)
1115076282 M * Bertl k ;)
1115076287 M * Bertl thanks a lot!
1115076291 M * Doener my pleausre
1115076296 M * Doener pleasure even
1115076630 M * Bertl btw, we did some debugging on gilles issue ...
1115076646 M * Bertl and it seems that the following happens here:
1115076693 M * Bertl 'vserver <name> stop'  is executed, which sucessfully kills all processes inside the context, so that the vshelper is called with 'shutdown'
1115076720 M * Bertl at this point (for whatever reason) some kind of deadlock happens, and the vshelper doesn't finish
1115076749 M * Bertl because the vshelper is still keeping a reference to the vserver (on shutdown) the context is never disposed
1115076803 M * Bertl (well, might not be exactly gilles issue, but it looked at least similar)
1115077035 M * Doener hm...