1114819628 M * Doener i'm off to bed... good night everyone!
1114819633 N * Doener Doener_zZz
1114819668 M * Bertl night Doener_zZz!
1114820324 J * prae ~prae@sherpadown.net
1114821020 M * Bertl welcome prae!
1114821030 M * prae hi
1114821273 J * hillct ~hillct@client200-5.dsl.intrex.net
1114821333 M * hillct Upon vserver shutdown, I get failures to unmount /proc and others
1114821353 M * Bertl why does your guest try to unmount something?
1114821368 M * hillct I imagine there's a 'correct' way to munge the init scripts to prevent this without messing too much with the scripts
1114821386 M * Bertl well, depends on the distro ...
1114821392 M * hillct I imagine I installed a package that includes these init scripts
1114821394 M * hillct FC2
1114821411 M * Bertl how did you install the guest?
1114821415 M * daniel_hozac rm -f /etc/rc[06].d/S01*
1114821452 M * hillct daniel_hozac is it safe to just not shut down anything in the guest?
1114821463 M * hillct I imagine I just want the filesystem items
1114821467 M * hillct I just figured someone else had gone down this path before
1114821478 M * daniel_hozac S01 is the reboot/halt script.
1114821485 M * daniel_hozac which does the bad stuff.
1114821488 M * hillct Bertl I installed skeleton then did a yum install setting installbase
1114821495 M * hillct aha
1114821499 A * hillct looks
1114821502 M * hillct heh
1114821508 M * hillct it hung the main server
1114821511 M * hillct bad bad bad
1114821528 M * hillct but That's the solution. Thanks
1114821535 A * hillct does a hard boot
1114821547 M * hillct brb
1114821567 M * Bertl hillct: what did hang the main server?
1114822910 M * hillct I setup vservers-default
1114822924 M * hillct but had a bad init config in one of the child vservers
1114822947 M * Bertl and in what way would that 'hang' your host?
1114822964 M * hillct it looks like the vserver-wrapper script doesn't gracefully recover if the child vserver being shut down doesn't do so nicely
1114822982 A * hillct will have more details shortly
1114823014 A * Bertl doesn't understand a bit ...
1114823059 M * hillct part of util-vserver is a service script vserver-default
1114823066 M * Bertl yup
1114823090 M * hillct when I try to stop this vserver with the messed up init config, it failed
1114823094 M * hillct and didn't recover
1114823114 M * Bertl okay, so you press CTRL-C and?
1114823125 M * hillct when I stop the same vserver using vserver myserver stop, it shuts down OK
1114823187 M * Bertl so you did shutdown the host because you wanted it to shut down, no?
1114823187 M * hillct bertl, ah. I was unclear. I attempted a reboot of the host server. The vserver shutdown failed and hung the shutdown process so the host server never rebooted
1114823200 M * hillct does that make more sense?
1114823210 M * Bertl okay, I understand now ... yup already reported that as a bug
1114823231 M * hillct If I try a service vserver-default stop
1114823238 M * hillct I can ctrl-C out
1114823251 M * hillct but this leaves the vserver in an unknown state
1114823262 M * hillct where it can't be restarted or stopped completely
1114823335 Q * prae Quit: Pwet
1114823493 M * hillct I guess I don't want the kernel logger or network shutdown scripts executed either
1114823600 M * hillct is the network shutdown hancled cleanly by the vserver management code?
1114823629 M * hillct ie, is it reasonable/safe to remove the network shutdown script entirely, or should I modify it in some way?
1114823647 M * daniel_hozac remove it.
1114823653 M * daniel_hozac it does nothing useful.
1114823680 M * daniel_hozac (unless you have ngnet)
1114823724 M * hillct I'm running 1.95 kernel patches with 206 utils. Is NGNet included there?
1114823732 M * Bertl nope
1114823739 M * hillct K
1114823762 M * hillct and the kernel logger of course fails, because there's no independant kernel running. As far as I can tell though the kernel logger is part of the syslog service script
1114823790 M * daniel_hozac indeed, you'll have to edit it out manually.
1114823796 M * hillct K
1114823801 M * hillct easy enough
1114823846 M * Bertl if you use vs2.0-pre3 the kernel logger should work fine
1114823856 M * hillct ah
1114823876 M * hillct well, I'll consider that on my next deployment
1114823884 M * hillct er, 2.0 series I mean
1114824035 M * hillct nice
1114824043 M * hillct seems to work now
1114824047 M * hillct thanks
1114824414 M * hillct are there any recommended changes in rc.sysinit?
1114824439 M * hillct things seem to be working reasonably though
1114824465 M * daniel_hozac rc.sysinit shouldn't be executed at all.
1114824710 M * hillct as far as I can tell it isn't
1114824736 M * hillct buddy of mine mentioned that he thought he had to edit it when he did his install
1114824750 M * hillct he came across something else rather odd
1114824784 M * hillct aparently, mysqld inside a vserver died because it tried to bind to * instead of it's proper IP
1114824790 M * hillct details are still unclear
1114824807 M * hillct but it looks like yum did a cron based update of mysqld
1114824835 M * hillct the post install script somehow caused yum to be installed at host server level
1114825219 M * Bertl any program inside a vserver guest can bind to anything
1114825238 M * Bertl the kernel will take care about restricting the services to specific ips
1114825323 M * hillct aparently mysqld didn't respond well to being restricted
1114825424 M * Bertl it doesn't know about that, and it works fine ...
1114825519 M * hillct we're not sure of the actual cause. this is all conjecture
1114825530 M * hillct but it was an IP binding error that killed it
1114828322 M * hillct the localhost IP is independant on each vserver right?
1114828329 A * hillct assumes so
1114829573 M * Bertl localhost is mapped to the real ip
1114829587 M * hillct ah
1114829621 M * hillct hmm
1114829645 M * hillct does that mean services that run on localhost in a vserver are available from outside the box?
1114829649 A * hillct tests
1114829674 M * Bertl if they bind to 127.0.0.1, then yes
1114829683 M * hillct hmm
1114829690 M * hillct that's less than ideal
1114829707 A * hillct makes a note of that for security sweel later
1114829711 M * hillct sweep
1114830191 Q * virtuoso_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114831854 J * eyck_ eyck@81.219.64.71
1114831856 Q * eyck Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114834213 M * Bertl any debian folks around?
1114841779 M * Bertl okay, have a good night everyone ... cya later ...
1114841788 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1114843660 Q * kevinp|gone Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114844247 J * sebd ~sebd@lesdeveloppementsdurables.org
1114848073 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1114848384 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-058-003-040.arcor-ip.net
1114848872 Q * alexx Quit: Bye
1114853298 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net
1114853373 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176
1114854784 J * cereal ~cereal@217.20.124.153
1114855396 J * kalou ~kalou@AAubervilliers-102-1-4-242.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr
1114855407 Q * kalou__ Read error: Operation timed out
1114855627 J * corupt ~coruptkid@82-43-89-92.cable.ubr08.croy.blueyonder.co.uk
1114856088 M * coruptkid hello. I Just finished burning Mandrake 10.1 and i cant find the docs in English on the CD, where can i get them from??
1114856726 M * corupt hello neonoe awake?!!!!
1114856746 M * corupt helloooooo!!!!!!!!
1114857251 M * Thorsten coruptkid what docs?
1114857382 M * Thorsten http://linux-vserver.org/Documentation
1114858511 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-157-185-99.ppp.tiscali.fr
1114858748 Q * DuckMaster Read error: Operation timed out
1114860013 Q * cereal Read error: Operation timed out
1114862152 Q * coruptkid Quit: 
1114862411 M * corupt its cool i've found them now im starting the install
1114863379 M * corupt quick qustion "KINDA URGENT": I'm just creating my partition table in the Mandrake 10.1 install. Is using the "Auto Allocate" function cool or is there anything else i need to choose for using "VSERV"
1114863381 M * corupt ???
1114863506 N * Doener_zZz Doener
1114863540 M * Doener erhm... that sounds like your repartitioning your hard drive and using mandrake instead your current distro...
1114863744 M * corupt ye
1114863777 M * corupt are you familiar with mandrake??
1114865655 M * Doener no, but Bertl_zZ is and IIRC we got someone working at Mandr{ake,iva} here...
1114865764 M * DaPhreak yeah prae .. if he's in ;)
1114865775 M * DaPhreak also erwan_ho i guess ..
1114865845 M * erwan_ho :)
1114865864 M * DaPhreak am i right ?
1114865880 M * erwan_ho I was working at Mandriva but prae still
1114865888 M * DaPhreak ah, okee :)
1114866582 J * MrX freebsd@219.95.237.226
1114866592 P * hillct 
1114867721 J * knoppix_ ~knoppix@dsl-213-023-144-213.arcor-ip.net
1114869191 Q * maharaja Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114869788 Q * corupt Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114869800 Q * MrX Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114870587 J * MrX freebsd@219.95.237.226
1114871469 Q * Thorsten Quit: Leaving
1114872062 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at
1114872064 J * cereal ~cereal@217.20.124.153
1114878003 J * coruptkid ~coruptkid@82-43-89-92.cable.ubr08.croy.blueyonder.co.uk
1114878019 M * coruptkid anyone around to give me some partition advice??
1114879096 Q * Vudumen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114879282 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1114881732 N * Doener Doener|gone
1114882406 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection
1114882475 Q * knoppix_ Quit: Verlassend
1114883994 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1114884005 M * Bertl morning folks!
1114884119 M * DaPhreak heh, morning Bertl 
1114884505 M * Bertl hey, everything fine?
1114884570 M * coruptkid no!!
1114884579 M * coruptkid bertl u here??
1114884586 M * Bertl LOL, yup?
1114884600 M * coruptkid i feel embarrassed...
1114884618 M * Bertl hmm, why is that so?
1114884632 M * coruptkid but trying to setup mandrake I can't get through the install properly
1114884640 M * coruptkid it fails on multiple packages
1114884646 M * coruptkid and gives no explanation
1114884653 M * coruptkid any experience/ advice??
1114884668 M * Bertl any example 'how' _it_? fails?
1114884751 M * coruptkid well it starts running through the install sequence (the point where it does the extractions e.t.c it just starts sayinc could not install packages one of the was lesstif
1114884766 M * coruptkid m17n
1114884775 M * coruptkid pearl-Term
1114884776 M * coruptkid ...
1114884783 M * Bertl yum/apt-rpm/rom install method?
1114884788 M * Bertl *rpm
1114884811 M * coruptkid ROm
1114884820 M * coruptkid 3 Discs
1114884852 M * Bertl okay, so you copied the disks somewhere?
1114884869 M * coruptkid i burned them (downloaded from linuxiso)
1114884890 M * Bertl hmm, and you are installing on a server or vps?
1114884916 M * coruptkid im installing on a local AMD XP Machine
1114884970 M * coruptkid whats wierd is that it doesnt even tell me it cant find the file or what the error is. I just have no idea where to even start
1114884972 M * Bertl ah, okay, so you have issues with a local MDK install?
1114884980 M * coruptkid ye
1114884999 M * Bertl well, basically wrong channel, but I had something similar once
1114885020 M * Bertl and it was because of broken/bad cd images
1114885037 M * Bertl did you verify the md5 sum for the cds?
1114885081 M * coruptkid I've never actualy used the MDV verification before, i would have assumed that from linuxiso.org it would have been trustworth, and that if the file was corrupted then it would not have burned
1114885087 M * coruptkid *MD5
1114885099 M * coruptkid *trustworthy
1114885168 M * coruptkid does Mandrake treat you like abit of a child??
1114885181 M * coruptkid and try to abstract alot??
1114885314 M * daniel_hozac why wouldn't have burned if the file was corrupted?
1114885342 M * coruptkid jsut an assumption
1114885420 M * Bertl coruptkid: ofthen the _cheap_ media and _high_ burn speeds (impatient users ;) result in _broken_ cds ;)
1114885436 J * knoppix_ ~knoppix@dsl-082-082-081-126.arcor-ip.net
1114885443 M * Bertl that's why I suggested to md5 the 'cds' not the image
1114885458 M * coruptkid ok
1114885468 M * coruptkid Can you suggest a web hosting linux distro that does not attept to make things easy
1114885489 M * coruptkid is Debian very good??
1114885502 M * Bertl well, debian for sure does not make it easy ;)
1114885513 M * eyck_ unlike say Mandrake.
1114885521 M * coruptkid lol. is it good for Web Hosting??
1114885538 M * Bertl IMHO the distro doesn't really matter
1114885558 M * Bertl basically you have to remove all _automated_ tools after any distro install ...
1114885575 M * Bertl then you have to install the tools you really need, and that's it for the host
1114885652 M * coruptkid k. ic
1114885707 M * Bertl hey eyck_! you didn't get around hacking on those debug infos?
1114885724 M * coruptkid what would your starting point bo of - Debian | Fedora | Suse | Mandrake
1114885802 M * Bertl mine, definitely mandrake ...
1114885855 A * SiD3WiNDR slaps Bertl 
1114886474 A * Bertl feels slapped ...
1114886498 M * SiD3WiNDR as you should be!
1114886996 A * DaPhreak takes a bow in front of Bertl :P
1114887225 M * DaPhreak for this neat mount -o bind,ro thingy :)
1114887253 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1114887426 M * SiD3WiNDR :)
1114887540 M * coruptkid ye Bertl you were right the MD5 on the first disc didnt match up
1114887546 M * coruptkid ;-)
1114891321 Q * knoppix_ Quit: Verlassend
1114893127 M * Bertl any debian folks around today?
1114895312 M * Bertl well, they seem to be everywhere, just not when you need them ;)
1114895320 M * Bertl anyway, I'm off now .. back later ...
1114895328 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1114895646 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-058-011-237.arcor-ip.net
1114895655 M * SiD3WiNDR I use debian, dunno if that makes me a "debian guy" :p
1114895939 M * DaCa SiD3WiNDR: don't tell Bertl you are using eitehr debian or grsecurity, you'd regret it :p
1114895951 M * SiD3WiNDR okay
1114895952 M * DaCa s/teh/the/
1114895957 M * SiD3WiNDR I'm using ummm
1114895962 M * SiD3WiNDR suse? :)
1114896179 N * Doener|gone Doener
1114896188 M * Doener evening folks!
1114896252 M * DaCa hi Doener 
1114896431 Q * atsab Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114896436 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt
1114897347 J * hillct ~hillct@client200-5.dsl.intrex.net
1114897364 M * Doener welcome hillct 
1114897374 M * hillct hi Doener
1114897379 M * hillct well
1114897388 M * hillct I screwed something up
1114897411 M * hillct it's probably simple but I've just been driving for 6 hours and can't think streight
1114897443 M * hillct I was able ot change the IP address of a vserver by just changing the file interfaces/0/ip
1114897446 M * hillct before
1114897449 M * hillct no problem
1114897472 M * hillct so I drove 3 hours to my colo to install the server, knowing I could change the IPs of my test vservers
1114897475 M * hillct no dice
1114897487 M * hillct I imagine there's something related to changing subnet
1114897513 M * hillct but when I attempt any network activity in a vserver I gat a really strange error:
1114897524 M * Doener hm, ip address should always be changeable, no matter what... netmasks are changeable, too
1114897534 M * hillct bash-2.05b# ping 66.193.8.30 
1114897534 M * hillct connect: Invalid argument
1114897541 M * hillct from inside a vserver
1114897554 M * Doener what does "ip a" say?
1114897584 M * Doener (inside the vserver)
1114897602 M * hillct ifconfig returns nothing
1114897608 M * hillct inside the vserver
1114897615 M * hillct like the network interface is dead
1114897620 M * Doener ifconfig is old anyways, thus i ask for "ip a" ;)
1114897656 M * hillct nothing
1114897678 M * hillct literally
1114897680 M * hillct [root@vmaster root]# vserver hulver.com enter 
1114897680 M * hillct bash-2.05b# ip a
1114897680 M * hillct bash-2.05b# 
1114897700 M * Doener ok, do you have interfaces/0/dev ?
1114897735 M * Doener if not, do you have interfaces/dev ?
1114897754 M * hillct interfaces/dev is eth0
1114897757 M * hillct as it should be
1114897777 M * hillct none of this changed from when it worked in my office to when it failed in the colo
1114897783 M * hillct the only change was IP
1114897790 M * Doener ok, on the host, what does "ip a" say?
1114897820 M * hillct 66.193.14.120/24
1114897824 M * hillct as it should be
1114897828 M * hillct for eth0
1114897831 M * hillct on the host
1114897839 M * Doener is the vserver's address listed?
1114897862 M * hillct how would it be listed?
1114897891 M * Doener well, the ip address would appear...
1114897902 M * hillct under what device?
1114897906 M * hillct I don't see it
1114897913 M * hillct I see sit0
1114897919 M * hillct which I'm not familiar with
1114897926 M * hillct but I don't use ip a
1114897930 M * hillct normally
1114897934 M * Doener eth0 in your case... if it doesn't show up, that means it wasn't configured...
1114897938 M * hillct so I don't know what output is expected
1114897960 M * hillct hmm
1114897981 A * hillct tries creating a new vserver just to test
1114898004 M * Doener could you stop the vserver and then start with "vserver --debug <name> start"?
1114898016 M * Doener and if possible, make the output available via pastebin
1114898018 A * hillct tries
1114898027 M * Doener (or some other way)
1114898046 A * Doener tries to figure out how the tools setup the ip addresses in the meantime
1114898080 M * hillct aha
1114898087 M * hillct without debug I see: RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
1114898112 A * hillct is not in good diagnostic mode as hillct is frustrated and tired
1114898126 M * hillct 6 hours driving will do that
1114898186 M * hillct geez, that's a lot of output
1114898215 M * Doener yep, that is expected ;)
1114898225 M * hillct just a sec
1114898344 M * hillct http://vmaster.scoophost.com/vserver-debug.txt
1114898392 M * hillct did that URL get pasted properly? Sometimes my client doesn't like to paste things
1114898398 M * Doener yep
1114898648 M * Doener hm.. that stuff doesn't contain the RTNETLINK message... did the ip address get setup properly this time?
1114898659 M * Doener ip a | grep "66.193.14.121" | wc -l
1114898673 M * Doener should say 1 if it worked this time, 0 otherwise...
1114898692 M * hillct hmm
1114898694 M * hillct so it did
1114898708 A * hillct enters the vserver to test firther
1114898712 M * hillct er further
1114898726 M * Doener maybe Murphy got bored of your box ;)
1114898738 M * hillct could be
1114898764 M * hillct could also be that starting from the vservers-default service script messes it up somehow
1114898769 A * hillct tests that theory
1114898980 M * kalou pfiou ... May, 1st, and still workin' all ?
1114899020 M * kalou We don't have the right to work today in France, c'est "la fete du travail"
1114899046 M * hillct the festival of suffering?
1114899067 M * kalou yep... strange day for a non-working day, indeed
1114899068 M * hillct doesn't that pretty much scream 'Work'
1114899073 M * hillct yah
1114899129 M * hillct big test
1114899138 M * hillct since I don't have a console server for this box
1114899162 M * hillct rebooting and seeing that vservers-default doesn't hand the box
1114899306 M * Doener something like "sleep 600 && reboot &" plus some file to ensure that the initscript isn't started after the reboot is useful there...
1114899344 M * hillct maybe...
1114899344 M * Doener (if you're afraid of totally loosing access to the box...)
1114899386 J * X freebsd@219.95.237.226
1114899457 Q * MrX Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114899497 M * hillct OK. it worked fine
1114899511 M * hillct vservers-default service script isn't at fault this time
1114899522 M * hillct I guess murphy just hates me
1114899531 M * hillct thanks for your help
1114899536 M * Doener he hates all of guess... sometimes ;)
1114899539 M * Doener you're welcome
1114899568 M * Doener s/guess/us/
1114899588 M * Doener sometimes i really wonder how i manage to create such 'typos'
1114899692 M * hillct I recently wondered alound in an IRC channel that will remain nameless, what's the proper alocation of dick to your users
1114899726 M * hillct some typos just jump out and pummel you.
1114899741 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1114899747 M * Doener heh :)
1114899751 M * Doener welcome erwan_ho 
1114899806 M * erwan_ho hey Doener 
1114901581 Q * Thorsten Quit: Leaving
1114901728 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1114901787 M * Doener evening Bertl!
1114901793 M * Bertl DaCa: dietlibc seems broken on sparc/64 too
1114901800 M * Bertl evening Doener!
1114901906 M * Doener Bertl: do you remember how to make vim choose settings depending on the location of the file your editing?
1114901928 M * Bertl nope, looking for that for some time now ...
1114902003 M * Doener ok, i'll google around some more...
1114902015 M * Bertl let me know if you find something ...
1114902027 M * Bertl btw, enrico added the functionality stuff ...
1114902035 M * Bertl s/functionality/personality/
1114902068 M * Doener the linux32 thing?
1114902072 M * Bertl yup
1114902075 M * Doener ok
1114902077 M * Bertl at least it seems so
1114902597 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection
1114903211 M * Doener Bertl: i just found out that it's actually quite easy to do that :)
1114903236 M * Doener f.e: :autocmd BufRead /home/doener/src/kernel/* set ts=8
1114903289 Q * berni jupiter.oftc.net plasma.oftc.net
1114903289 Q * aba jupiter.oftc.net plasma.oftc.net
1114903391 J * berni ~berni@svr01.mucip.net
1114903391 J * aba ~aba@sol.turmzimmer.net
1114903442 M * Bertl ah, very interesting
1114903477 A * Bertl is going to use that right now ...
1114903710 M * Doener finally resuming code auditioning now...
1114903874 M * Bertl hmm, doesn't work here to stop vim from making backups :(
1114903891 M * Doener hm, what command did you use?
1114903893 M * Bertl tried:
1114903894 M * Bertl autocmd BufReadPre,FileReadPre /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/* set nowritebackup
1114903903 P * hillct 
1114903916 M * Bertl (same with nobackup and BufRead)
1114903984 M * Bertl hmm, but overriding patchmode works ...
1114904010 M * Doener hm, do you want it not to create backups that stay around, or not to create backups at all?
1114904038 M * Bertl I would like to have .orig backups everywhere except certain dirs ...
1114904088 M * Doener hm, you could probably do that with backupskip
1114904109 M * Bertl vim has definitely too many *backup* options ;)
1114904118 M * Doener and you might have 'backup' turned on...
1114904120 M * Doener indeed!
1114904134 M * Doener :help backup-table gives some nice explanations
1114904220 M * Bertl ah, even better, I put those backups in a different dir!
1114904403 M * Bertl nope still ignored :(
1114904540 M * Doener hmm... what says: :echo &backup &writebackup &backupcopy &backupdir
1114904554 M * Doener (in a buffer that contains a file in that directory)
1114904717 M * Bertl hmm ... good point, it says that the backup dir doesn't exist ;)
1114904735 M * Doener ;)
1114904745 M * Bertl hmm .. no it exists ...
1114904764 M * Bertl and it shows the right backup dir .. just the .orig is created in the same dir :(
1114904829 M * Bertl backup = 0, writebackup=1, backupcopy=no
1114904866 M * Bertl that's what echo says ... still I get .orig in the same dir
1114904881 M * Doener hmm... that should create a temporary backup only...
1114904933 M * Bertl well, seems that this is somehow overridden by patchmode
1114905026 M * Bertl but au ... backupskip=* seems to override that ;)
1114905308 M * Doener btw, the settings are kept for new buffers, i.e. you probably want an autocmd for BufNew to set defaults
1114905349 M * Bertl hmm ...
1114905354 M * Doener hm, no... BufNew also modifies the 'old' buffer on :new
1114905421 M * Bertl it's probably better to specify the backupskip= with an expression which matches _all_ pathes ...
1114905521 Q * coruptkid Read error: Connection reset by peer