1114300804 M * Bertl welcome bRuTaL`script!
1114300834 M * Bertl clanon: http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/security/lib-proxy/howto/ssleay/apache.html
1114301393 M * clanon i get it now
1114301412 M * clanon its using the same certificate for all of htem :)
1114301420 M * Bertl precisely!
1114301452 M * clanon well i thought it was going to not pull up a different docroot or whatever
1114301628 M * clanon :-P
1114301653 M * clanon lol
1114301768 Q * bRuTaL`script Quit: LOD Script 3.0 Vzemete si go ot WwW.HeLlCoRe.HiT.bG
1114301773 A * clanon hits himself on teh head
1114301797 M * Bertl don't do that, it doesn't help ;)
1114301885 M * clanon lol it'll make me feel better, tho
1114302030 M * Bertl Doener: hmm, the killers need an upgrade (or I need a kernel downgrade ;)
1114302158 M * Doener hm, i can tell you in a few minutes if i can upgrade them... got headache (again) :(... let's see if it gets better...
1114302188 M * Bertl don't bother, I'll update it and add the new syscall stuff ..
1114302199 M * Bertl so that it should work (and test) on all platforms
1114302220 M * Bertl (unless you want to do that ;)
1114302998 M * clanon so.
1114303075 M * Bertl yeah, well, did you try linux-vserver yet?
1114303092 M * Bertl (if not, that would be the right moment ;)
1114303121 J * bRuTaL`script ~wqe@mail.ibs-bg.net
1114303148 M * Bertl wb bRuTaL`script!
1114303348 M * Doener Bertl: no, won't do it... 
1114303400 M * Bertl k, np, get some rest!
1114303440 M * Doener no chance, can't sleep when i got this kind of headache...
1114303459 M * Doener s/chance/way/
1114303732 M * clanon this is all so confusing!
1114303811 M * clanon :-P
1114304086 M * clanon i feel like im so behind
1114304232 M * Doener clanon: when i joined this channel the first time i've been happy to know about "top" and such stuff, so you're probably way better than i've been back then ;)
1114304283 M * clanon lol
1114304292 M * clanon i didnt even know top took options a few months ago :-P
1114304396 M * clanon so something i guess i really didnt understand...say someone has their own VPS, and they try to upgrade perl, can they do that? and it will be separate from the box's perl?
1114304429 M * Doener yup
1114304444 M * clanon and they dont have to put it in another directory?
1114304464 M * Bertl each vps already has it's own directory
1114304469 M * Doener usually a vserver has its own filesystem tree, like a chroot
1114304479 M * clanon i thought they shared stuff too?
1114304488 M * Bertl yup, but only via hard links
1114304596 M * clanon so if they replace something then the hard link is removed? i dont get it
1114304804 M * Bertl yup, one end of the link is removed, and just replaced
1114304818 M * clanon ahhhhh ok thats cool
1114304821 M * clanon lol
1114304828 M * clanon ah @ hard links
1114305833 M * clanon thats good
1114305834 M * clanon :-D
1114306070 M * clanon the wheels on the bus go...
1114309405 Q * bRuTaL`script autokilled: User from this host was spamming the network. Mail support@oftc.net if you feel this is an error
1114311178 M * Bertl night folks! I'm off to bed now ... cya tomorrow
1114311215 M * Doener night Bertl!
1114311255 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1114311627 M * Vudumen have a good night allz
1114311669 M * Doener night Vudumen 
1114312137 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de
1114312137 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114312304 Q * clanon Quit: 
1114313746 Q * Loki|muh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114314501 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1114315231 Q * Loki|muh Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114315750 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-157-207-247.ppp.tiscali.fr
1114316181 Q * duckx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114317486 Q * lilo Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114318948 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1114319968 M * Doener night folks
1114319972 N * Doener Doener_zZz
1114329705 M * SiD3WiNDR morning
1114338887 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1114339359 Q * mcp Quit: changing servers
1114340327 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1114340414 J * mcp hightower@217.171.201.37
1114341015 Q * mcp Quit: changing servers
1114341310 J * mcp hightower@217.171.201.37
1114347018 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com
1114347371 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114347737 J * atsab_ ~as@lotes.vtu.lt
1114347737 Q * atsab Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114347986 Q * atsab_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114348036 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt
1114351988 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1114354197 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at
1114355014 J * kalou ~kalou@ALamentin-101-1-5-163.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr
1114355131 Q * kalou_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114355595 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-058-021-125.arcor-ip.net
1114355640 M * Thorsten Hi *
1114355895 M * Thorsten Has anyone here experiencens with multiple vservers on a machine which owns only one puplic IP address? e.g. doing NAT for all the vservers?
1114355988 M * daniel_hozac what's the problem?
1114356037 M * Thorsten The packages that the vserver generates try to leave the mashine with the non public IP
1114356075 M * Thorsten I read in the archive that MASQUARADE won't work and that I have to use SNAT? Is that (still) right?
1114356079 M * daniel_hozac did you create an SNAT/MASQUERADE rule?
1114356127 M * Thorsten The non-public IP from the vserver is 10.0.0.99:
1114356134 M * Thorsten   0     0 MASQUERADE  all  --  any    any     10.0.0.99            anywhere 
1114356157 M * Thorsten I tried with SNAT:
1114356159 M * Thorsten     1    58 SNAT       all  --  any    any     10.0.0.99            anywhere            to:84.58.21.125 
1114356197 M * daniel_hozac the SNAT rule seems to have worked.
1114356202 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1114356218 M * Thorsten Yes, but package still had the wrong address
1114356219 M * Bertl morning folks!
1114356225 M * Thorsten Hi Bertl 
1114356259 M * Thorsten I have to admin that I used the patch for 2.6.11.5 on a 2.6.11.6 kernel.
1114356262 M * daniel_hozac how did you determine that it had the wrong address?
1114356326 M * Thorsten They have been caught by an iptables rule
1114356337 M * Bertl Thorsten: ad MASQ/SNAT yes that is 'still' right (don't know why you think it should change?)
1114356355 M * daniel_hozac an iptables rule where?
1114356382 M * daniel_hozac POSTROUTING is the last chain processed, IIRC.
1114356418 M * Thorsten In OUTPUT
1114356440 M * Bertl sounds fine to me
1114356460 M * Thorsten Bertl, I didn't know if that was ever true ;-)
1114356508 M * Bertl Thorsten: you know how the packets traverse the chains?
1114356531 M * Thorsten Not exacly, I have to admin
1114356557 M * Thorsten But I know where to find the iptables howto ;-)
1114356590 M * Thorsten So I'll set up some very simple iptables rules, start tcpdump and ask again?
1114356639 M * Bertl you should be aware that there is an important difference between MASQ and SNAT/DNAT
1114356692 M * Bertl the MASQ idea was born after folks discovered that basic NAT will not work if you are routing several LAN machines with one IP to the WAN
1114356713 M * Bertl example: 2 hosts behind a firewall (single public ip)
1114356734 M * Bertl both use the high port 10000 (for an example) to reach a web server at port 80
1114356767 M * Bertl the firewall now has to translate this into something, and might even use the highport 10000 itself ...
1114356786 M * Bertl so a simple transation fo the address is not sufficient, no?
1114356826 M * Thorsten ok
1114356831 Q * albeiro Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1114356865 M * Bertl now that is what masquerading does, it basically takes conenction comin in, and maps address and port for a new outgoing connection
1114356915 M * Bertl vserver guests OTOH, live on the host .. so they will not use the same port for an outgoing connection, and there will be no incoming conenction on the host either
1114356936 M * Bertl (unless the packet is destinated to the host)
1114356945 M * Thorsten ok
1114356973 M * Bertl so the relevant requirements for masquerading are not fulfilled, and you can do the same with the SNAT in the postrouting
1114357013 M * Bertl now the routing phase is located after the output phase ..
1114357058 M * Bertl so the packet will traverse the output chain with the private ip, get routed to the final destination (public), pass the postrouting chain, and be mangled to use the public ip
1114357099 M * Thorsten So a filter in the OUTPUT chain to drop everything with a wrong source ip is a silly idea?
1114357117 M * Bertl well, depends on what you want to do ;)
1114357151 M * Thorsten ok, I try to drop that rule and check with tcpdump
1114357156 M * Bertl http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=9&q=http://davidcoulson.net/writing/lxf/14/iptables.pdf&e=9888
1114357180 M * Bertl (it's not the best explanation but it has nice pictures and a few examples ;)
1114357225 M * Bertl http://davidcoulson.net/writing/lxf/14/iptables.pdf
1114357229 M * Bertl (direct link ;)
1114357543 M * Thorsten OK, now it works like a charm. Thx Bertl!
1114357556 M * Bertl you're welcome! 
1114357676 N * Doener_zZz Doener
1114357694 M * Doener morning{!,?}
1114357724 M * Bertl morning Doener!
1114358831 M * Thorsten When I have several vservers and all should have full access to a given folder of the host machine, how do I achieve this? Do I have to move the data to an extra partition to be able to mount it into the vservers?
1114358845 M * daniel_hozac mount --bind ;)
1114358861 M * Bertl both are options, you can use a real mount, or a bind mount
1114358979 M * Thorsten thx!
1114359002 M * Bertl just make sure that the mount happens at the right time and in the right namespace ;)
1114359040 M * Thorsten So it's not enough to write it into /etc/vservers/.../fstab ?
1114359065 M * Doener Thorsten: that would be the perfect place i'd say ;)
1114359074 M * Thorsten Puh!
1114359086 M * Thorsten :-)
1114359093 M * Doener because then the tools take care of that ;)
1114359101 J * albeiro albeiro@albeiro.usercloak.oftc.net
1114359440 M * Bertl okay, dinner time ... back later ...
1114359446 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1114360924 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1114360961 M * Doener wb Bertl 
1114360966 M * Doener enjoyed your meal?
1114360983 M * Bertl yup, I did! thanks!
1114361897 J * shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net
1114361905 M * Doener welcome shuri 
1114361915 M * shuri hi everyone
1114361936 M * DaPhreak evening guys :)
1114361950 M * Doener hi DaPhreak 
1114361975 A * shuri got a new null modem cable
1114361983 M * DaPhreak hmmm i think nfs in vserver-2.0_pre1 has got a problem :)
1114362021 M * Doener what's the problem?
1114362061 M * DaPhreak he client is only able write 500M to a file and than the server hangs (or whatever) and refuses any more writes (also to other files)
1114362066 M * DaPhreak s/he/the/
1114362118 M * DaPhreak first i suspected was grsec but it also happens on plain vserver
1114362304 M * DaPhreak since there's nothing in syslog i dont know where i should start searching :)
1114362642 M * Bertl evening shuri! DaPhreak!
1114362689 M * shuri thx Bertl
1114362690 M * Bertl host nfs or vserver on nfs?
1114362711 M * Bertl and who is the filer?
1114362885 M * maharaja does any1 know whats the reason for a default /tmp of 16MB for a "vserver xx build" ?
1114362914 M * maharaja quote from the fstab file of that vserver:
1114362926 M * maharaja none    /tmp            tmpfs   size=16m,mode=1777     0 0
1114362994 M * SiD3WiNDR I guess that's distribution specific or something, cause I don't have that with my debootstrap'd debian vserver
1114363054 M * Bertl maja: it's a default from the tools ...
1114363074 M * Bertl (should be in your configuration)
1114363307 M * maharaja k, ill check that
1114363316 M * maharaja 16mb is too small for apt-proxy to operate ;)
1114363340 M * maharaja like openoffice.org2-core has ~50mb
1114363401 M * ola_ Hellol
1114363413 N * ola_ ola
1114363442 M * Bertl maja: i.c. well, you can raise it without any problem
1114363447 M * Bertl hey ola!
1114363459 M * ola I see that you discuss Debian issues. :)
1114363530 M * Hollow loah
1114363543 M * Bertl ola: well, are there any debian issues? ;)
1114363571 M * DaCa ehlo
1114363581 M * Bertl evening Hollow! DaCa!
1114363631 M * ola Bertl: I have a swedish magazine here that has written an article that compare uml, vserver and freevps.
1114363645 M * Hollow hmm fascinating how you can swap the letters and still get sth like hello :P
1114363647 M * ola They seem to be happy with all solutions.
1114363670 M * ola Bertl: Debian is just one big issue. ;)
1114363679 M * ola No I'm joking. :D
1114363680 M * Hollow ola: lol..
1114363698 M * Hollow debian is neat
1114363719 M * Doener hm, vserver ~= freevps + distribution agnostic + readable code... and uml has a different target audience
1114363736 M * Bertl ola: any url to a pdf/html of that article?
1114363770 M * ola Unfortunatly not. It is in swedish as well. I'll check some ... brb.
1114363824 M * ola http://www.datormagazin.se/content/issue.jsp
1114363835 M * ola Klyv din server på virtuellt vis
1114363836 M * ola Virtuella serversystem hjälper dig att köra flera system i en dator och är idealiskt för tester av mjukvara. Vi visar dig hur du gör ett Linuxsystem till många virtuella system.
1114363868 M * ola That is probably the best I can give you, unfortunatly.
1114363902 M * Bertl hmm, well, if you could translate it to english please?
1114363952 M * ola Virtual server systems help you to run several systems in a computer and is ideal for test of software. We show you how to make a Linux system for several virtual systems.
1114363973 M * ola The articke is a number of pages and I do not want to translate it all. ;)
1114363984 M * Bertl k, can understand that ...
1114363985 M * ola This is what is mentioned on the web page.
1114364002 M * Bertl they probably compare 2.4 linux-vserver with vps I guess
1114364042 M * ola Yes probably. They have used Debian woody for some tests.
1114364081 M * ola They said that it exist both vserver and util-vserver and they recommend util-vserver even though no big differences exist *sigh*
1114364086 M * Bertl does debian support hppa (parisc)?
1114364094 M * ola Checking
1114364168 M * ola Debian in general support hppa but I have made sure that util-vserver do not build there as I have understood that there is no syscall reserved.
1114364204 M * Bertl yes, but a better solution would be to bug the hppa maintainer to reserve one ;)
1114364238 M * Bertl the last statement I remember was something along the lines: show us that somebody want's this then we assign one ...
1114364249 M * ola Yes I know but I have not done so. I work on the sort term solution. ;)
1114364283 M * maharaja ola: maybe you can get a scan of that article?
1114364288 M * ola Did they want someone that need this feature in general or on that arch.
1114364297 M * maharaja so that different ppl can try to translate?
1114364304 M * maharaja and it's not all up to you?
1114364311 M * Bertl ola: I guess on the arch ...
1114364316 M * ola maharaja: I'm not sure (copyright issues)
1114364322 M * ola Bertl: Ok.
1114364323 M * Bertl ola: but IMHO debian is a good reason ;)
1114364344 M * Bertl and today every other arch has assigned a syscall
1114364348 M * ola Bertl: If you have contact with the arch maintainer, you can refer to Debian. :)
1114364361 M * Bertl okay, I will do so ...
1114364371 M * ola I do not even know who I should contact. :)
1114364421 M * ola One other thing. I have now seen a compile issue on ia64.
1114364422 M * ola lib_internal/unify-copy.c: In function `copyMMap':
1114364422 M * ola lib_internal/unify-copy.c:142: error: `MADV_SEQUENTIAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
1114364426 M * ola lib_internal/unify-copy.c:142: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
1114364429 M * ola lib_internal/unify-copy.c:142: error: for each function it appears in.)
1114364436 M * ola Do you know anything about it?
1114364445 M * Bertl not yet ...
1114364451 M * ola This is on util-vserver 0.30.206.
1114364461 M * ola util-vserver 0.30.204 has compiled fine.
1114364478 M * Bertl please file a bug report (204 didn't contain that code, IIRC)
1114364499 M * ola Hmm where do I file bug reports. :D
1114364512 M * Bertl regarding the tools, best via savannah
1114364525 M * Bertl (you can also post it to the mailing list)
1114364544 M * ola Ok, I'll post it to the mailinglist.
1114364564 M * ola Mail is on its way soon now.
1114364565 M * Bertl do you have access to an ia64 machine?
1114364576 M * ola Unfortunatly now.
1114364579 M * ola s/now/not/
1114364594 M * Bertl who reported the issue?
1114364600 M * ola The autobuilder.
1114364618 M * Bertl i.c. so the autobuilder does cross compiling?
1114364622 M * ola Or actually no one reported it. I checked the status.
1114364674 M * ola Bertl. No it is actually a ia64 machine. And I may have access but I do not have the development libraries. I may get in contact with the admin for testing though.
1114364694 M * Bertl would be interesting in two aspects ...
1114364718 M * Bertl a) I would like to see if the kernel works on such a machine (and the syscall interface)
1114364722 M * daniel_hozac ola: which issue of Datormagazin? the latest?
1114364749 M * ola Number 4, 2005. I think it is the latest issue.
1114364756 M * Bertl b) it would be interesting to get the tools checked/fixed (not sure it _is_ a tool issue though, as MADV_SEQUENTIAL should be libc )
1114364775 M * daniel_hozac ola: ah, i see it now.
1114364822 M * ola daniel_hozac: You have it there too.
1114364823 M * ola ?
1114364836 M * daniel_hozac ola: in my lap right now :)
1114364850 M * daniel_hozac i hadn't gotten that far yet, though.
1114364865 M * ola daniel_hozac: In your lap?
1114364884 M * maharaja ola: about that copyright issue - neither am i. what about writing a letter and asking?
1114364888 M * daniel_hozac i'm trying to find the article... got a page number?
1114364899 M * maharaja ola: another idea would be to cite the only interesting parts. if there is anything that pops out
1114364913 M * ola 108 to 111.
1114364926 M * maharaja that should be no problem from copyright and from the work side
1114364934 M * daniel_hozac ola: thanks.
1114364937 M * ola I can cite it, that is not a copyright issue. :)
1114364956 M * maharaja daniel: where to get an online issue from?
1114364971 M * daniel_hozac maharaja: AFAIK, there is none.
1114365005 M * maharaja ola: so what about picking out the most interesting parts? :)
1114365012 M * maharaja and translating only those
1114365017 M * ola I'm reading now.
1114365029 M * ola They describe vserver as we all know how it works.
1114365065 M * maharaja k
1114365091 M * maharaja danieal_hozac: so how did you get it on your lap? or didn't you mean laptop ;)
1114365144 M * maharaja but lap as in lap 
1114365192 M * ola They also tell that an ambition with the project is to reduce file duplication. I assume they refer to vunify (that I have never used. :) )
1114365222 M * ola My opinion is that they have focused a bit too much on that part in the arcicle.
1114365283 M * ola They also tell that choice of kernel and distribution on the host decide distribution on all vservers. (on which I disagree)
1114365308 J * rusty ~rusty@rev.193.226.232.10.euroweb.hu
1114365311 M * rusty hello
1114365314 N * rusty Rusty`
1114365314 M * Doener welcome rusty 
1114365320 M * Bertl evening Rusty`!
1114365337 M * ola Then they tell how to install it and they describe how to configure (using old style).
1114365380 M * ola And they are referring to www.paul.sladen.org/vserver/debian/
1114365415 M * Rusty` Bertl & Doener: folks, how are they? :)
1114365415 M * ola This is the reason why I think they have used debian woody as the tool they describe here exist in Debian sarge and Debian sid (with me as maintainer) :)
1114365425 M * daniel_hozac maharaja: i meant lap as in lap :)
1114365432 M * maharaja daniel: i c ;)
1114365442 M * ola That is about it on vserver.
1114365470 M * maharaja mhm
1114365498 M * Doener Rusty`: just fine, thanks!
1114365501 M * maharaja i would be interested in an article which compares vserver, uml, freevps (but up2date information)
1114365554 M * ola They give a table with comparison.
1114365572 M * ola It seems quite updated as they tell that vserver can run on both 2.4 and 2.6.
1114365635 M * Doener hm, i'd be more interested in a comparison of Linux-VServer and Virtuozzo... those seem to be the main solutions in the virtualization area...
1114365735 M * ola Have never seen such a comparison.
1114365743 J * prae ~prae@sherpadown.net
1114365749 M * Doener me neither ;)
1114365756 M * ola I'm writing a mail to the magazine now with some corrections. :)
1114365763 P * Thorsten Leaving
1114365821 M * Doener but comparing uml with Linux-VServer doesn't give that many insights as they're orthogonal, while a comparison of Virtuozzo and Linux-VServer could show up where each of them has to catch up
1114367022 M * Bertl Rusty`: fine, and you?
1114367117 M * Bertl ola: maybe you could figure out which libc/includes define MADV_SEQUENTIAL on ia64?
1114367479 M * ola It may be a dietlibc issue, as that is used for all Debian packages.
1114367554 M * ola Have to go now. See ya!
1114367560 M * Bertl cya!
1114368728 M * Rusty` Bertl: i'm fine too, thanks :)
1114369781 Q * prae Quit: Pwet
1114370603 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114370691 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de
1114372051 Q * eyck Remote host closed the connection
1114372322 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1114372944 Q * shuri Read error: Connection reset by peer
1114373615 J * eXplasm ~explasm@p549FD57A.dip.t-dialin.net
1114373628 M * eXplasm hey guys :)
1114373652 M * Bertl welcome eXplasm!
1114373663 M * eXplasm ive got a problem if i use the "traceroute" command on a vserver ->  traceroute: sendto: Operation not permitted
1114373681 M * Bertl probably older version, no?
1114373698 M * eXplasm traceroute? or vserver?
1114373703 M * Doener vserver ;)
1114373724 M * Doener IIRC you're using 2.6 + old config, right?
1114373728 M * Doener welcome btw ;)
1114373739 M * eXplasm its an 2.6.11.5-vs1.9.5   :D
1114373743 M * eXplasm hi doener D:
1114373783 M * eXplasm but I use already the old vserver tools *shame*
1114373797 M * eXplasm still
1114373801 M * eXplasm damn english
1114373830 M * Bertl well, you can configure the *icmp* flag
1114373840 M * Bertl (by hand after the vserver was started)
1114373846 M * eXplasm how?
1114373865 M * Bertl let me check how the flag is called ... (flower page)
1114373896 M * Bertl http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1114373951 M * Bertl ah, th ccap is called 'icmp'
1114373981 M * Bertl so you simply use vattribute --set --xid <xid> --ccap icmp
1114373995 M * Bertl where xid is you _static_ context xid ;)
1114374043 M * eXplasm ok thanks
1114374078 M * Bertl np
1114374090 M * eXplasm bash: vattribute: command not found    =D autsch
1114374102 M * Doener i got to go now... have a good day/night/in-between! cya tomorrow!
1114374106 N * Doener Doener|gone
1114374117 M * Bertl cya Doener|gone!
1114374152 M * Bertl eXplasm: it's part of the new util-vserver tools
1114374172 M * Bertl (new since about nine month ;)
1114374219 M * eXplasm hm okay
1114374437 Q * eXplasm Quit: Verlassend
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1114376671 M * DaPhreak Bertl: host nfs, filer is a dbox
1114376722 M * DaPhreak well i gonna update the stuff on the dbox .. but since it works (at least on vanilla & gentoo-sources) i guess it has something to do with vserver :)
1114376762 M * Bertl DaPhreak: do you use xid tagging?
1114376774 M * Bertl i.e. is it enabled on the vserver?
1114376839 M * DaPhreak yeah i think, sec.
1114376873 M * DaPhreak $ gzcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i xid
1114376873 M * DaPhreak # CONFIG_INOXID_NONE is not set
1114376873 M * DaPhreak # CONFIG_INOXID_UID16 is not set
1114376873 M * DaPhreak # CONFIG_INOXID_GID16 is not set
1114376873 M * DaPhreak CONFIG_INOXID_UGID24=y
1114376875 M * DaPhreak # CONFIG_INOXID_INTERN is not set
1114376878 M * DaPhreak # CONFIG_INOXID_RUNTIME is not set
1114376936 M * Bertl so that means that you ahve to use a patched filer too
1114376947 M * Bertl (maybe we should make this a separate option ;)
1114377035 M * DaPhreak you mean to patch the nfs-client ?!
1114377046 M * DaPhreak or the nfs-server ?
1114377059 M * Bertl the filer
1114377097 M * DaPhreak well which one is the filer !?
1114377183 M * Bertl filer is the nfs-server in your case the dbox or?
1114377202 M * Bertl or does the dbox use nfs from your host?
1114377228 M * DaPhreak nope i thought the filer is the host/box which feeds the file to the storage .. but from your telling filer = storage :)
1114377286 M * Bertl well, usually I avoid server and client as this confuses folks even more .. but in any case you have to use either tagging on both sides or on neither
1114377371 M * DaPhreak ah, okay .. so since the patching for the dbox isn't that easy it would be easier to remove xid-tagging from the vhost 
1114377392 M * Bertl probably ...
1114377396 A * DaPhreak needs to read the vserver-paper 'bout benefits of xid-tagging
1114377417 M * Bertl basically it's all about shared disk space for different contexts
1114377533 M * DaCa whats a dbox?
1114377622 M * maharaja setop box used for paytv which can be eqipped with linux
1114377623 M * DaPhreak well it's basically a box with ppc-chip and a video capturing card
1114377626 M * maharaja basically :)
1114377633 M * DaPhreak yeah ;)
1114377670 M * DaPhreak but as i see from the paper i should actually leave xid-tagging turned on ..
1114377717 M * Bertl well, if you are volunteering to test it, I would be willing to make a special NFS select option ...
1114377738 M * Bertl (to turn the tagging off for NFS)
1114377818 M * DaPhreak yeah, as last time ;) with the vs-1.9.5.5 :)
1114377844 M * Bertl hmm, please refresh my memories ;)
1114377889 M * DaPhreak hehe the one which we had a talk about the rrdtool ;)
1114377957 M * Bertl doesn't ring a bell, but did I fail to keep up some agreement?
1114377997 M * DaPhreak no :)
1114378024 M * Bertl good!
1114378148 M * DaPhreak Bertl: if you have something to test, don't bother to ask :)
1114378160 M * DaCa ok, dbox alone didn't give me any clue on google. dbox+tv gives me plenty of german links, is this something thats only being used/sold in germany?
1114378295 M * DaPhreak DaCa: as far as i know .. but also in some other countries
1114378306 M * Bertl DaPhreak: not yet .. but I can imagine a 'simple' patch ...
1114378332 M * Bertl but I would suggest to test first if disabling the tagging really mends your issues ...
1114378411 M * DaPhreak i'll gonna try it at first tomorrow and report back ;)
1114378471 M * DaCa DaPhreak: so are they ridicoulously cheap and can be reflashed so you can build a cheap, noiseless multimedia system with them or am I looking in the wrong direction? 
1114378493 M * DaPhreak nope, you're looking to the right direction :)
1114379012 M * DaPhreak gonna go
1114379019 M * DaPhreak see you guys tomorrow
1114379163 M * DaCa DaPhreak: gute n8
1114379445 M * Bertl cya!
1114380699 M * eyck eh
1114380728 M * Bertl yes eyck?
1114380760 M * eyck I was just at sumo competition,
1114380769 M * eyck championship actually
1114380790 M * eyck and the girls were hot, surprisingly.
1114380843 M * eyck oh, and 'eh' is because I couldn't stay long enough to watch the wrestle ;) 
1114380851 M * eyck s/the/them/
1114380905 M * Bertl hmm, i.c.
1114380975 M * eyck take a look at those two: https://ghost.anime.pl/~eyck/sumo/doping/small.pict0686.jpg
1114381019 M * Bertl hmm, sll but bad certificate ;)
1114381025 M * Bertl *ssl even ;)
1114381086 M * eyck what do you mean by 'bad' ?
1114381092 M * eyck expired?
1114381253 M * Bertl yup
1114381261 M * Bertl 07/06/2003
1114381316 M * eyck uh, yeah, I forgot, I was supposed to change it to 10-years cert 3 years ago, but got too busy :( 
1114381512 M * albeiro eyck: what that picture is about ? looks like in Poland ;]
1114381541 M * eyck albeiro: Polish Sumo Championships for Juniors
1114381551 M * eyck plus short Busho competition
1114381623 M * albeiro interesting. well, so why it suprises you girls were hot ? ;p
1114381637 M * eyck they were Wrestlers.
1114381646 M * albeiro uh.
1114381654 M * eyck Sumo Wreslters.
1114381736 M * albeiro not that i would like womans doing this kind of sport.
1114381739 M * Bertl well, I do not see rice there, so they can't be very serious ...
1114381819 M * eyck the guy in black&white robe and black hakamas is the only certified Sumo judge in Poland. This was serious,
1114381843 M * eyck unfortunately not very professional, with kids dancing rumba as entertainment ;) 
1114381874 M * Bertl traditional sumo dance style *G*
1114381948 M * Bertl they neither have the mawashi nor the oicho ...
1114381960 M * eyck you're talking about kids?
1114381978 M * eyck no, you're talking about busho, ok.
1114382017 M * Bertl anyway, I guess I'm off to bed for today ...
1114382026 M * eyck g'night.
1114382032 M * albeiro sleep well !
1114382051 M * Bertl night folks! ca tomorrow!
1114382053 M * Bertl +y
1114382059 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1114382121 M * eyck what is +y ?
1114382158 M * albeiro he forgot "y" in cya
1114382181 M * albeiro you are free to insert it wherever you want
1114382186 M * albeiro even to /dev/null ;p
1114382198 A * albeiro away
1114382201 M * eyck Cya
1114382219 M * albeiro hm, are your from Poland ?
1114382227 M * albeiro -r ;p
1114382360 M * eyck yup.
1114382381 M * eyck obviously;)
1114382409 A * albeiro shocked. from which city ? and why we are talking enlglish ? ;p
1114382445 M * eyck because that is appropriate. Imagine what would happen if Bertl would start talking in german,
1114382467 M * albeiro yeah, i know, it was a joke
1114382543 M * albeiro anyway, will continue tommorow, i'm now really away.
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