1114042655 Q * Loki|muh Remote host closed the connection 1114042657 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1114043071 Q * _jeru Remote host closed the connection 1114046853 Q * ndim Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1114047147 J * ndim hun@helena.bawue.de 1114053497 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1114057899 J * itamarjp lualele@200-225-242-030-dynamic.idial.com.br 1114060876 M * eyck hi 1114060889 M * itamarjp hi 1114060950 M * Hollow mornin 1114060951 M * Hollow g 1114061269 M * itamarjp hi hollow 1114061282 M * Hollow hi 1114061295 M * itamarjp Can I ask about other software 1114061296 M * itamarjp ? 1114061311 M * Hollow you can ask everything.. ;) 1114061322 M * itamarjp do you know uml ? 1114061327 M * itamarjp user-mode-linux ? 1114061335 M * Hollow played a bit with it 1114061355 M * itamarjp how to run 1 guest machine fast and other slow on same host ? 1114061398 M * Hollow maybe with nice? when you call the uml kernel, call it with nice..? 1114061415 M * itamarjp Range goes from -20 (highest priority) to 19 (lowest). 1114061424 M * itamarjp nice -20 will run more fast ? 1114061442 M * itamarjp nice -20 linux mem=32 ubda=root_fs 1114061446 M * Hollow the lower the nice level, the higher the priority 1114061485 M * itamarjp -20 = fast ? 1114061486 M * Hollow try it.. dunno if it works 1114061489 M * Hollow yup 1114061500 M * itamarjp -19 = slow ? 1114061525 M * Hollow slower, but i'd say try sth like -20 and 10 1114061569 M * itamarjp OK 1114061574 M * itamarjp a moment 1114061604 M * DaPhreak|screen_detached morning ;) 1114061609 M * Hollow morning DaPhreak|screen_detached 1114061617 M * DaPhreak|screen_detached heh morning Hollow :P 1114061620 N * DaPhreak|screen_detached DaPhreak 1114061662 M * Hollow hm.. i think i will skip school today :P 1114061771 M * DaPhreak heh, yeah thought so about next week .. but i've got english exams on wednesday .. and exams in two weeks :P 1114061831 M * Hollow yeah... but the important ones are already finished :) 1114061850 M * DaPhreak not here :) 1114061865 M * DaPhreak still fighting with that god damn access 1114061870 M * Hollow got a 2+ in my english exam :) 1114061873 M * DaPhreak it's a PITA 1114062000 M * DaCa morning! 1114062008 M * DaPhreak morning DaCa :) 1114063040 M * itamarjp hi Hollow 1114063049 M * itamarjp Hollow [root@router ispbrasil]# su - ispbrasil -c '/bin/nice -n -20 nice' 1114063071 M * itamarjp . 1114063075 M * Hollow ...? 1114063087 M * itamarjp . 1114063104 M * itamarjp not set priority: Permission denied 1114063141 M * itamarjp only superuser can change priority to -20 1114063153 M * itamarjp ispbrasil is a single user 1114063215 M * Hollow imo uml must be started with root, no? 1114063254 M * itamarjp yes, but I like to start with a non-root user for security 1114063410 M * itamarjp there are a way to allow non-root to run nice ? 1114063687 A * Hollow shrugs 1114064554 Q * itamarjp Quit: 1114067437 M * Hollow DaPhreak: i've updated the vshandbook 1114068114 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1114068550 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1114069848 J * prae ~prae@84.14.106.134 1114070413 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving 1114072886 Q * lilo Read error: Operation timed out 1114072893 N * Doener_zZz Doener 1114072894 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1114072922 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.77 1114073092 Q * erwan_taf Quit: 1114073111 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.77 1114073939 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com 1114073939 Q * knoppix_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1114074426 M * Doener Bertl_zZ: hm, we should add a Content-type header to the wiki's mails... mutt always shows \366 instead of an ö here ;) 1114074730 J * knoppix_ ~knoppix@dsl-213-023-142-241.arcor-ip.net 1114074766 P * jsambrook 1114076058 J * ntrs__ ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1114076092 Q * ntrs_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1114077354 N * virtuoso_ virtuoso 1114077360 M * virtuoso Good day. 1114077537 M * Doener hi virtuoso 1114077719 M * Doener got to go... cya later... 1114077720 N * Doener Doener|gone 1114084983 Q * knoppix_ Quit: Verlassend 1114086377 J * wurd ~kvlt@modemcable143.235-201-24.mc.videotron.ca 1114087969 M * wurd hi, i built a vserver on fc3 with the 206 vserver-utils, but something apparently went wrong because when i enter the vserver i don't even have the 'passwd' command (amongst many other common commands that are also missing), what should i do, should i do it all over again 1114088004 M * wurd i need to get this done asap, and am willing to start all over if it will make the vserver work once and for all 1114088075 M * wurd for information: for the build i used apt-rpm. the build command is: vserver server13 build -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.16/16 ---d fc3 1114088316 M * DaCa wurd: s/---/-- -/ 1114088399 M * wurd yeah, my build command is fine 1114088407 M * wurd i didnt recopy it well 1114088457 M * wurd **the build is successful** BUT the vserver's content it too minimal, i only have a couple essential command , but for example i dont have 'rpm' and many others 1114088875 M * romke wurd: so use rpm of host system to install rpm and others in vserver 1114088924 M * wurd one by one ??? 1114088938 M * wurd i don't know by heart which rpms i need for the vserver 1114088959 M * romke wurd: rpm --root /your/vserver/dir --initdb; rpm --root /your/vserver/dir -i your_package 1114088963 M * wurd one thing i'd like to know is _why_ my vserver is minimal like that 1114088994 M * wurd i'm missing tons of RPMS, i can't really install them all one by one, now can i? 1114089028 M * romke wurd: I'm not familiar with fc3 tools :( 1114089066 M * romke wurd: can you use apt-rpm to specify --root? 1114089097 M * wurd you mean "apt-rpm" as a command on it's own ? 1114089112 M * wurd [root@localhost galefebvre]# apt- 1114089114 M * wurd apt-cache apt-cdrom apt-config apt-get apt-shell 1114089125 M * wurd that's all i have concerning commands who start with 'apt-' 1114089200 M * romke wurd: check vserver-build script, it most-likely must get list of fc3 packages list to install in your new vserver 1114089209 M * romke wurd: then check why it did not :P 1114089349 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl_oO 1114090920 J * HoxCa ~hugh@anode.atosc.org 1114090923 M * HoxCa lo there 1114091365 Q * romke Quit: reboot? 1114092923 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at 1114093241 J * romke romke@procyon.romke.net 1114093289 Q * maharaja Remote host closed the connection 1114093362 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at 1114093807 P * HoxCa 0x58 1114094253 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-3-32.dclient.hispeed.ch 1114095087 M * kevinp wurd: are you sure you don't have passwd? 1114095106 M * kevinp wurd: 'updatedb' and then 'locate passwd' 1114095116 M * kevinp maybe it's not in your path? 1114095189 M * kevinp DaPhreak, sorry I missed your question yesterday 1114095221 M * kevinp I don't have to kill vshelper ever, my deal is that klogd does not start properly when starting a new vserver 1114095235 M * kevinp This happens on both 205 and 206 tools 1114095277 M * kevinp and the latest kernel and patches (2.6.11.7-2.0pre1) 1114095334 M * wurd [root@localhost ~]# vserver vserv21 enter 1114095334 M * wurd bash-3.00# updatedb 1114095334 M * wurd bash: updatedb: command not found 1114095413 M * kevinp ls -ls /usr/bin/u* 1114095431 M * wurd heres the result : 1114095438 M * kevinp ls -la /usr/bin/u* 1114095454 M * kevinp pastebin 1114095466 M * wurd udevinfo, udevtest, ul, unexpand, uniq, uptime, users, utmpdump, uuidgen. thats it 1114095475 M * kevinp hmm 1114095583 M * kevinp ls /etc/pam.d/p* 1114095764 J * kalou_Zz_ ~kalou@AToulon-201-1-30-218.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr 1114095815 M * daniel_hozac wurd: use vapt-get. 1114095867 M * kevinp Unless Doener|gone wants to come back and say it's not supposed to be that way, I think that this is just the wau that the fc3 install has been setup. Very minimal. In my opinion, you can either put your "mypkgs" file back in and use yum or strip all of the version info off and use apt-rpm. However, it would also be useful to put in just what you actually want to install. 1114095883 Q * kalou_Zz Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1114095888 M * kevinp s/wau/way/ 1114096022 M * kevinp I don't know if Enrico set it up this way on purpose or if he didn't know what to put in there to begin with 1114096075 M * daniel_hozac they are very minimal on purpose. 1114096098 M * kevinp looks like fc1 and fc2 are the exact same, so I would think so 1114096126 M * kevinp daniel_hozac you run fc3 don't you? 1114096139 M * daniel_hozac indeed. 1114096149 M * kevinp so did you just add on to that base or make your own start file for pkgs? 1114096167 M * wurd daniel_hozac you have a vserver on fc3? do you have the 'passwd' command ? 1114096202 M * daniel_hozac i run yum --installroot=/vservers/ --enablerepo=vserver-guest install vserver-guest when i want to create a new vserver ;) 1114096268 M * daniel_hozac (where vserver-guest has fake provides for things not needed, like dev and kernel, and requires the things i want, like yum) 1114096336 M * kevinp so you setup this vserver-guest repo? 1114096451 M * kevinp do you have a box with a fresh install of fc3, choosing just the minimal option? 1114096527 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1114096561 M * kevinp can you put an output of rpm -qa to the wiki for wurd to use for a base install since that is really what he is looking for? 1114096587 M * daniel_hozac IIRC, i've posted that before... let me see if i can find it again 1114096604 M * kevinp I put one up for CentOS at http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_min_install 1114096636 M * kevinp Maybe you could use the same and we could get a bunch of these together for people to use? 1114096683 M * daniel_hozac well, you don't really need all the packages of a minimal install. 1114096709 M * daniel_hozac i prefer the "install the packages you need and their dependencies" method. 1114096744 M * kevinp right, but those who need or want it. It would also be good to have another page that was more of a list of what people think is really the "bare necessities" 1114096744 M * wurd daniel_hozac you have a vserver on fc3? do you have the 'passwd' command ? 1114096760 M * daniel_hozac wurd: yes, of course. 1114096762 M * kevinp wurd, he added it after the install 1114096764 M * wurd by default ? 1114096765 M * wurd oh. 1114096769 M * wurd i see...... 1114096778 M * wurd so the extreme minimality of my vserver is normal ??? 1114096778 M * kevinp right? 1114096795 M * wurd it is normal that i dont have the 'passwd' command? daniel_hozac 1114096797 M * daniel_hozac no, it was installed at the same time as the rest of the vserver. 1114096802 M * daniel_hozac wurd: yes. 1114096802 M * wurd ah! see! 1114096807 M * wurd uhm 1114096814 A * wurd is confused 1114096819 M * kevinp me too 1114096883 M * kevinp But with two commands? the original vserver install and then your yum command to update it? 1114096894 M * daniel_hozac yes, two commands. 1114096901 M * daniel_hozac vserver new build -m skeleton .... 1114096911 M * daniel_hozac yum --installroot=/vservers/new .... 1114097006 M * kevinp wurd does that make sense to you now? what you are seeing is normal, you just need to add what you want to it now, daniel_hozac does it through a yum command 1114097062 M * kevinp My alternative is to do it in one shot by modifying the packages that it installs be default. Which appears to be disliked by some. 1114097069 M * kevinp s/be/by/ 1114097313 M * wurd which appears to by disliked be some? 1114097317 M * wurd :P 1114097333 M * wurd im not sure i understand fully 1114097337 M * wurd um --installroot=/vservers/ --enablerepo=vserver-guest install vserver-guest 1114097341 M * wurd this command.. what does it do 1114097347 M * wurd i mean, where are the package names, etc 1114097410 M * daniel_hozac as i said, vserver-guest is a local repo (and package), you'd probably want something like yum --installroot=/vservers/ install glibc ... 1114097430 M * daniel_hozac replacing the dots with whatever packages you want the vserver to have. 1114098048 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1114098068 M * Bertl evening folks! 1114098079 M * kevinp wb! 1114098174 M * Bertl daniel_hozac, wurd: hmm, wasn't there some plans for a vyum? 1114098274 M * kevinp Bertl: did you see the output of my strace from the klogd? 1114098323 M * Bertl not yet, url? 1114098332 M * kevinp http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/376 1114098337 M * Bertl tx 1114098359 M * kevinp this is inside a test server with the host using 2.6.11.7-2.0pre1 1114098431 M * Bertl uhm, how large is that? 1114098624 N * Doener|gone Doener 1114098641 M * Bertl welcome Doener! 1114098667 M * Doener kevinp: note that daniel_hozac uses _skeleton_ build + yum stuff, while wurd uses the apt-rpm build for fc3... and that i'd expect to have essential stuff like passwd and rpm... 1114098670 M * Bertl kevinp: okay, will chck that after dinner ... 1114098678 M * Doener hi Bertl! 1114098688 M * Bertl back in 30 ... 1114098694 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1114098797 M * wurd (sorry ive just came bacK) so i need to type all packages i need for my vserver ? 1114098830 M * Doener wurd: i'll refuse to believe that, before enrico tells me that it is like that... 1114098846 M * wurd who's enrico ? 1114098854 M * Doener i still believe that there's a problem with your vserver build... 1114098864 M * Doener the guy who's written the tools 1114098872 M * wurd according to daniel_hozac , it is perfectly normal that i dont have passwd nor anything :S 1114098994 M * wurd is there a way to contact mr. enrico? 1114099009 M * wurd i need to get my vserver to be functional asap 1114099121 M * Doener email ;) 1114099134 M * wurd do you have his adress 1114099136 M * Doener do you have the output of a vserver build? 1114099158 M * kevinp Doener, take a look at /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc3/pkgs/01, 02, and 03 that is what it installs by default 1114099166 M * wurd yes doener 1114099186 M * kevinp very few packages 1114099760 M * Doener wurd: can you make the output available? 1114099896 J * kjo ~krischan@p54A0F238.dip.t-dialin.net 1114099922 M * wurd i think i lost the file >:( 1114099940 M * wurd if its really important i could rebuild a vserver to get the output... 1114099995 M * Doener kevinp: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1535110/com/setup-2.5.36-1.noarch.rpm.html 1114100016 M * wurd Doener should i? 1114100050 M * Doener "setup" is one of those 5 packages in {01,02,03}, and that page says passwd is contained therein (or probably at least it depends on the passwd package) 1114100070 M * Doener wurd: how long will it take? 1114100076 M * Doener (approx.) 1114100084 M * wurd 30 mins i'd say 1114100087 M * wurd not sure 1114100157 M * Doener i'll be somewhere else then... maybe i can get irc access from there, but i can't say, yet... i'll be back in about 4 hours from now 1114100169 M * wurd you're leaving now? 1114100177 M * Doener in about 20-30 minutes 1114100180 M * wurd ok... 1114100193 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting 1114100242 M * Doener you can of course prepare the output, and if i'm lucky i'll be on irc again soon after leaving... but if you got stuff to do, feel free to do that later... 1114100259 M * kevinp Doener, it says that it contains the /etc/passwd file, but doesn't say anything about the command 1114100263 M * wurd the stuff i have to do is to get the vserver working :( 1114100295 M * kevinp AFAIK, the passwd command is in the shadow package, and is tied to PAM in FC3 1114100320 M * kevinp wurd, you have the file /etc/passwd right? 1114100324 M * wurd yes 1114100368 M * Doener kevinp: ah, you're right... 1114100369 M * kevinp just not the command /usr/bin/passwd 1114100432 M * kevinp daniel_hozac, did you find that list of rpms in the FC3 minimal install? 1114100574 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1114100584 M * Bertl back now ;) 1114100675 M * romke Bertl: i've backed up whole vserver /vservers/test, moved it on other machine (same kernel, same tools), vserver test start: vcontext: chroot(): Permission denied 1114100705 M * Bertl romke: wrong permissions on the vservers dir? 1114100730 M * Bertl try ls -lda /path/to/vserver/.. 1114100784 M * kevinp wurd: if you can get a list of the rpms installed for the install you want, follow the instructions at http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo substituting fc3 for centos 1114100791 M * kevinp i'll be back later 1114100798 M * Bertl k 1114100798 N * kevinp kevinp|gone 1114100827 M * romke Bertl: same on both machines 1114100860 M * Bertl what about the vserver dir itself? 1114100869 M * Bertl ls -lda /path/to/vserver 1114100925 M * Hollow hey Bertl 1114100929 M * romke Bertl: found it, i don't know why i set --barrier on one of guests dir 1114100957 M * Bertl hey Hollow! 1114100996 M * Doener ok, got to go now... back later... 1114100999 N * Doener Doener|gone 1114101002 M * Bertl cya 1114101020 M * romke Bertl: sorry for trouble and thx for suggestion where to start... 1114101047 M * Bertl np, UR welcome! 1114101092 M * wurd i did this command : vserver server12 build -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.16/16 -- -d fc3 2>&1 BUILDLOG 1114101103 M * wurd is it correct ? i cant find BUILDLOG file 1114101109 M * wurd seems it doesnt exist 1114101172 M * Bertl use >BUILDLOG 2>&1 instead 1114101263 Q * erwan_taf Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1114101321 M * wurd ok thanks 1114101335 M * Bertl np 1114102562 M * wurd Doener|gone ? 1114102637 M * Bertl well, seems he had to leave ... 1114102656 Q * kjo Quit: Verlassend 1114103235 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1114104238 J * erwan_ho2 ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1114104238 Q * erwan_ho Read error: Connection reset by peer 1114105707 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1114105707 Q * erwan_ho2 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1114105808 N * kevinp|gone kevinp 1114105815 M * kevinp wurd: how's it going? 1114106059 M * wurd honestly i dont know what to do 1114106077 M * wurd i guess i should try daniel_hozac's method but i dont know which packages to install etc. 1114106106 J * DuckMaster ~Duck@dyn-83-157-133-54.ppp.tiscali.fr 1114106312 J * tom ~knoppix@dsl-213-023-140-185.arcor-ip.net 1114106318 M * Bertl wurd: didn't you get any response from enrico? 1114106482 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.77 1114106531 Q * DuckKing Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1114106567 M * wurd could you give me his email :) 1114106638 M * Bertl yup, sec 1114106768 M * wurd thanks 1114106790 M * Bertl you#re welcome! 1114106876 M * wurd both are good ? 1114106912 M * Bertl yup 1114107165 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1114107535 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1114107873 Q * lilo Quit: bbiab 1114108476 Q * tom Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 1114108688 J * hillct ~hillct@client200-5.dsl.intrex.net 1114108717 M * hillct hello all 1114108775 M * hillct Bertl ping 1114108838 M * hillct what are the differences between the 1.9.5 experimental kernel releases for kernel 2.6.11.7? 1114108861 M * hillct er kernel patch tarballs 1114108879 M * hillct there's one marked .x and another marked .x5 1114108892 M * Bertl and there is a 2.0-pre1 ;) 1114108905 M * hillct oh? 1114108911 M * Bertl but to answer you original question: 1114108913 A * hillct scrolls 1114108917 M * Bertl .x was before .x5 ;) 1114108934 M * hillct yah 1114108946 M * hillct so .x5 is more stable. 1114108962 M * Bertl it is newer ... 1114108976 M * Bertl (it includes more fixes) 1114109055 M * hillct I just wanted ot make sure it wasn't a set of debugging patches or something 1114109135 M * Bertl no, basically the history is: 1114109153 M * Bertl we started with stabilizing the 1.9.5 but kept going with 1.9.6 development 1114109173 M * Bertl the 1.9.5.x is somewhere inbetween .. it has the fixes of 1.9.6 but no new features 1114109190 M * Bertl it was the basis for the 2.0-pre1 release 1114111158 Q * flock Quit: Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. 1114111231 Q * Jdogg Read error: Connection reset by peer 1114111967 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1114112171 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1114112525 J * duckx ~Duck@dyn-83-157-133-54.ppp.tiscali.fr 1114112776 Q * DuckMaster Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1114113914 J * prae ~prae@sherpadown.net 1114114217 M * Bertl welcome prae! 1114114478 M * prae Hi Bertl 1114115133 N * Doener|gone Doener 1114115142 M * Doener evening folks 1114115235 M * DaCa hi Doener 1114115251 M * Doener hey DaCa 'sup? 1114115268 M * Bertl hey Doener! 1114115366 M * Doener hi Bertl 1114115467 Q * flock Remote host closed the connection 1114115554 M * Doener i wonder what's up with MS... Ballmer said they're going to officially support Linux on Virtual Server 2005... 1114115617 M * Bertl well, guess that's pretty easy, no? 1114115638 M * Bertl (except for Steve 'jumping' around a little more ;) 1114115785 M * albeiro he is a sick man 1114115798 M * albeiro good evening btw :] 1114115810 M * Bertl good evening to you too! 1114115815 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1114115836 M * Doener it feels like: Hey, that guy is the devil himself, but if you want to have him in a church of our religion, we'll show you how to get him doing his stuff *g* 1114115854 M * Doener evening albeiro 1114116441 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1114118151 M * albeiro http://blastradius.blogspot.com/2005/04/world-of-pain.html <- lol 1114118403 M * Bertl hehe 1114118598 M * Doener you get what you give ;) 1114118790 M * Doener oh, we got .12-rc3... guess i'll do a port then :) 1114118799 M * Bertl Doener: what about your code review? found anything dubious yet? 1114118841 M * Doener nohting yet, but i'm not even halfway through it... spent a lot time exploring code around each of the changes 1114119069 M * Bertl well, that's not a bad idea .. keep going slowly ... 1114119120 M * Bertl btw, what is your opinion on the syscall.h solution (as interim until every *libc knows about vserver ;) 1114119324 M * Doener didn't find any time to look at it yet... decided to spent more time at university now, so my time for Linux-VServer is limited... (until I finally manage to get myself a notebook that is ;) 1114119387 M * Bertl well, guess it will take you about 5minutes ;) 1114119413 M * Bertl s/take/cost/ 1114119421 M * Doener hm, the directory listing said something about 34k IIRC, so I didn't take a look yet ;) 1114119586 M * Doener what's that? scnr: v0($0) 1114119596 M * Doener sorry, could not resist? ;) 1114119602 M * Bertl syscall number 1114119608 M * Doener ah! 1114119668 M * Doener ok, that 34k file, is way above my level anyway :) 1114119705 M * Doener yep, seems to be a good interim solution 1114119737 M * Bertl better than a dozen broken headers on each distro 1114119783 M * Bertl (not to talk of not implemented *libc* calls ;) 1114119951 N * kalou_Zz_ kalou 1114119957 M * kalou plop ! 1114120009 M * kalou little question about the runqueue(s) in 2.6 .. 1114120044 M * Bertl kalou: hmm, seems like you are working on something? 1114120077 M * kalou :) .. trying to understand the scheduler .. 1114120123 M * Bertl ah, good, you plan to work on that/in this area? 1114120125 M * kalou can you tell how many runqueues are there in the kernel, and what is their purpose ? 1114120154 M * Bertl because the scheduler needs some work, and I have some plans there ;) 1114120175 M * kalou hmm.. in fact, I won't be able to code anything before months ... just trying to understand what I think is the most simple, at the moment 1114120206 M * kalou I'm really interested in the ckrm patches, but did not look at them 1114120222 M * Doener kalou: have you read the paper on the scheduler from that sgi(?) guy? 1114120237 M * kalou Doener: nope, would be glad to take a look 1114120241 M * Doener http://josh.trancesoftware.com/linux/ 1114120248 M * Doener i really liked it 1114120263 M * Doener you're welcome 1114120351 N * kalou kalou_learning 1114120367 M * Bertl we should add such stuff to some Knowledge page, no? 1114120583 M * albeiro yes, definitely 1114120602 M * Bertl so then let's start with something like this ;) 1114120623 M * Bertl (any volunteers?= 1114120721 M * maharaja why do i receive "stty: standard input: Input/output error" when starting a vserver? 1114120771 M * Bertl no idea, but check the start/stop scripts for stty stuff ... 1114120810 M * albeiro Bertl: on which wiki is this page ? 1114120820 M * Bertl sec 1114120875 M * maharaja the strange thing is that it used to work flawlessly 1114120897 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Kernel-Knowledge 1114120950 M * Bertl maharaja: hmm, amybe some vserver update? 1114120953 M * maharaja no 1114120960 M * maharaja i moved the server to interxion 1114120963 M * Bertl so _waht_ changed? 1114120964 M * maharaja and changed the ip adresses 1114120973 M * Bertl that's all? 1114120976 M * maharaja and added listen 127.0.0.1 to the main servers ssh 1114120983 M * maharaja yes 1114120995 M * Bertl no tools or kernel upgrades? 1114121011 M * maharaja no 1114121037 M * maharaja ill stop all servers and start them in reversed order 1114121047 M * maharaja right now, the first one works as expected 1114121056 M * maharaja but 2, 3, .. behave strange 1114121068 M * maharaja like ps aux takes ages 1114121087 M * Bertl hmm ... check dmesg 1114121095 M * Bertl and maybe vmstat ... 1114121145 M * maharaja stopping postfix and it "hangs" 1114121150 M * maharaja mhm 1114121198 M * albeiro done.~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ 1114121203 M * albeiro ups, lags. 1114121217 M * albeiro i'm telling you, do not buy 3com switches, never, ever ;] 1114121411 M * Bertl thanks albeiro! 1114121419 M * albeiro you are welcome ! 1114121433 M * albeiro (quite unusual role change ;p) 1114121511 M * Bertl :] :) 1114121522 J * Martin ~martin@host-138-38-227-153.nat.bath.ac.uk 1114121528 M * Bertl welcome Martin! 1114121533 M * Martin Evenin' 1114121537 A * Bertl was waiting for you ;) 1114121551 A * Martin looks a little scared 1114121567 M * Martin Ummm... what can I do for you? 1114121579 M * Bertl you are the guy with the many archs, no? 1114121588 M * Martin I guess so 1114121614 M * Martin I have /access/ to many - not all are mine (any more) 1114121618 J * knoppix__ ~knoppix@dsl-213-023-140-153.arcor-ip.net 1114121641 M * maharaja Bertl: strace shows 1114121642 M * maharaja http://linux-vserver.org/Kernel-Knowledge 1114121649 M * maharaja clone(Process 3509 attached (waiting for parent) 1114121656 M * Bertl Martin: so you are the last, best hope for linux-vserver ;) 1114121661 Q * knoppix__ Quit: 1114121682 M * Martin Bertl: Am I supposed to salute? 1114121684 M * maharaja mhm 1114121689 M * maharaja i indeed changed some tools stuff 1114121697 M * maharaja i forgot that i did not restart 1114121701 M * Bertl Martin: no need to ... ;) 1114121706 M * maharaja after installing the .deb packages instead of the manual install 1114121714 A * Martin stands at ease 1114121733 M * Bertl maharaja: so probably that changed the output/behaviour? 1114121736 M * maharaja but the same .deb is working at my home intranet server without any problem 1114121751 M * maharaja and the 1. vserer starts as usual 1114121789 M * maharaja strange stuff 1114121797 M * Bertl Martin: I'm currently adding a _syscall* implementation for all linux-kernel archs ... 1114121809 M * Martin Bertl: Cool! 1114121814 M * Bertl maharaja: I assume some scripts call stty 1114121839 M * Martin Bertl: I guess you've seen this: http://linux-vserver.org/sparc64 1114121855 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SYSCALL/ 1114121866 M * Bertl yup, that's why I was waiting for you ... 1114121894 M * Martin OK... 1114121895 A * Bertl saw the new page .. checked the irc logs ... 1114121905 M * Martin Cool. 1114121924 M * Bertl well, and I was hoping that you'll show up again ... 1114121937 M * Martin I'll see what I can do. 1114121954 M * Bertl let me know what archs you can easily test on 1114121960 M * Martin Am very busy but it seems that vserver will make my life *much* easier, so I figure it's time invested 1114121980 M * Martin sparc64 is trivial 1114121996 M * Martin ppc is do-able (I have to get the machine up and running) 1114122002 M * Bertl well, I can offer you a big entry in our hall of fame too, if that is worth anything to you ... 1114122015 M * Martin :-D 1114122032 M * Martin mips is in the lab - not mine but ATM it's kinda dead 1114122042 M * Martin mips64 is in peices on my desk 1114122081 M * Martin sparc32 and hppa I had to rehome :-( But given they were free I could probably call in a favour from their new owners 1114122118 M * Martin m68k and alpha I could probably blag favours for 1114122132 M * Bertl I have an parisc in my basement ... and a Powerbook here ... 1114122144 M * Martin used to have an i960 but not sure it it (c|w|s)ould run linux 1114122166 M * Martin arm might be possible - we've been trying to get a dev board for ages 1114122170 M * maharaja very strange... 1114122181 M * maharaja when i sync my working versver 1114122185 M * maharaja eveything is allright 1114122190 M * maharaja when i sync my default vservre 1114122197 M * maharaja its fucked up 1114122199 M * maharaja strange... 1114122210 M * Bertl Martin: my ipaq has an arm9 so that might work too ;) 1114122215 M * Martin Think that's about it, _maybe_ ia64, I figure you've got amd64 1114122227 M * Martin Not all of these I can do quickly - but given time... 1114122240 M * maharaja anywys.. ill go 2 sleep 1114122241 M * maharaja night 1114122246 M * Bertl Martin: well, we do not need a solution tomorrow! 1114122250 M * Martin maharaja: night 1114122251 M * Bertl maharaja: night! 1114122257 M * Martin OK :-) 1114122268 M * Martin ... speaking of solutions for tomorrow ... 1114122311 M * Martin Was wondering if I could blag some help hammering out bugs from util-vserver 1114122341 M * Martin I know it's kinda OT but the server is moving to server room tomorrow AM and it'd be nice ot get it all fixed by then. 1114122359 M * Martin Anyone going to be up for a bit? 1114122379 M * maharaja one thing thou 1114122382 M * maharaja what does this mean: 1114122383 M * maharaja File mgm/dev/full is a character special file while file mail/dev/full is a character special file 1114122398 M * Bertl means you did use diff ;) 1114122415 M * Bertl Martin: probably going to be up some longer ... 1114122423 M * maharaja yes 1114122424 M * maharaja i did :) 1114122443 M * maharaja but why is it showing that "file x is type A while y is type A" 1114122448 M * maharaja that does not make any sense :) 1114122454 M * Martin Bertl: Mind helping? Don't know the internals of util-vserver 1114122484 M * Bertl maja: well, I wondered that too, but you have to ask the diff maintainers about that 1114122525 M * Bertl Martin: me neither, enrico does that, but I'll see what I can do .. depends on your questions ;) 1114122540 M * maharaja i c 1114122548 Q * TheSeer xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * mugwump xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * Hollow xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * BWare xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * kevinp xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * Doener xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * Beirdo xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * ola_ xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * jd86 xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * SiD3WiNDR xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * daniel_hozac xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * locksy xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122548 Q * bro xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * alexx xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * mikegrb xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * Bertl xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * duckx xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * romke xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * ntrs__ xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * DaCa xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * ciphernaut xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * cereal xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * mcp xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * logger xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * atsab xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * gregster xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * sith xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * rs xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * Seraph xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * berni xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * aba xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * Martin xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * prae xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * kalou_learning xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * yarihm xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * maharaja xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * ndim xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * Loki|muh xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * virtuoso xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * pusling xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * SNy xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * micah xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * sladen xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * Medivh xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * albeiro xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * tchan xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * DaPhreak xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * nox xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * stupidawy xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * Zoiah xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * cemil xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122550 Q * Snow-Man xenon.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1114122562 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1114122562 J * cemil ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de 1114122562 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de 1114122562 J * aba ~aba@sol.turmzimmer.net 1114122562 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@snowman.net 1114122562 J * Zoiah Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net 1114122562 J * logger ~rs@vds.pas-mal.com 1114122562 J * Seraph kk@projects.verfaction.de 1114122562 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt 1114122562 J * gregster ~gregor@greart.de 1114122562 J * sith sith@aaronp.com 1114122562 J * rs ~rs@194.98.28.10 1114122562 J * berni ~berni@svr01.mucip.net 1114122562 J * mcp ~hightower@217.171.201.37 1114122562 J * DaPhreak ~phreak@lms.rz.uni-greifswald.de 1114122562 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net 1114122562 J * cereal ~cereal@217.20.124.153 1114122562 J * albeiro albeiro@albeiro.usercloak.oftc.net 1114122562 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de 1114122562 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1114122562 J * ciphernaut ~a@61.88.18.130 1114122562 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1114122562 J * SNy ~mfr@bmx-chemnitz.de 1114122562 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124 1114122562 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251 1114122562 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1114122562 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1114122562 J * ndim hun@helena.bawue.de 1114122562 J * ntrs__ ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1114122562 J * romke romke@procyon.romke.net 1114122562 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at 1114122562 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-3-32.dclient.hispeed.ch 1114122562 J * kalou_learning ~kalou@AToulon-201-1-30-218.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr 1114122562 J * duckx ~Duck@dyn-83-157-133-54.ppp.tiscali.fr 1114122562 J * prae ~prae@sherpadown.net 1114122562 J * Martin ~martin@host-138-38-227-153.nat.bath.ac.uk 1114122562 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@h75n2fls33o829.telia.com 1114122562 J * locksy ~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au 1114122562 J * bro ~vanity@lanparty.lv 1114122562 J * Bertl ~herbert@janus.mc.tuwien.ac.at 1114122562 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176 1114122562 J * mikegrb ~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net 1114122566 M * maharaja nite Bartl, Martin 1114122576 M * Bertl night maja! 1114122579 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net 1114122579 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1114122579 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1114122579 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net 1114122579 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net 1114122579 J * Doener doener@193.24.208.125 1114122579 J * Beirdo ~gjhurlbu@beirdo.usercloak.oftc.net 1114122579 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1114122579 J * jd86 ~jim@ip68-9-97-23.ri.ri.cox.net 1114122579 J * ola_ ~ola@c-adt-5.ataco.se 1114122579 M * Martin Night Maharaja 1114122597 M * Martin Ummm... is it just me seeing lots of oflks leaving and rejoining? 1114122606 M * daniel_hozac netsplit. 1114122621 M * Martin OK 1114122663 T * services.oftc.net http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.5, 2.0-pre1, ng9.4 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1114122740 M * Doener we all love netsplits, right? 1114122784 M * Martin Are they like banana splits? 1114122817 M * Bertl not at all ... neither tasty nor really wanted 1114122825 M * Martin Fnar. 1114122832 M * Martin :-( 1114123320 M * Martin OK, am running util-vserver 0.30.206-3 from Debian/Unstable 1114123334 M * Martin and it keeps throwing bus errors 1114123372 M * Martin Submitted as Debian bug 305449 (with output et al.) 1114123407 M * Martin Have managed to narrow it down to a problem with chbind 1114123437 M * Martin Doesn't always happen, only with some args 1114123445 M * Martin AFAIK the kernel is fine. 1114123464 M * Bertl output of testme.sh? 1114123465 M * Martin Had a breif look at the code but couldn't get too far with it 1114123473 M * Martin testme.sh? 1114123516 M * Doener hm, newvserver is legacy stuff 1114123525 M * Bertl Martin: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh 1114123546 M * Doener http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=305449 1114123553 M * Martin Doener: Ah, what shall replace it 1114123559 M * Doener (for the lazy ones ;) 1114123569 M * Doener vserver build 1114123575 M * Doener http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver 1114123582 M * Bertl Doener: thanks (ad lazy ones ;) 1114123604 M * Doener there's a section about vserver creation with the new tools 1114123615 M * Martin OK, will check this 1114123640 M * Martin However ATM vserver exec bash doesn't work :-( 1114123665 M * Bertl again, testme.sh? 1114123679 M * Martin Just having a look - what does it do? 1114123687 Q * flock Remote host closed the connection 1114123693 M * Bertl testing basic functionality and reporting the versions 1114123693 M * Doener testing basic functionality 1114123700 M * Bertl gimme five! 1114123704 M * eyck five! 1114123706 M * Doener yeah! 1114123718 M * Doener hey, that's not fair eyck ;) 1114123721 M * Bertl hey eyck! how's life? 1114123747 M * eyck fine, fine, thank you. I live on credit right now 1114123750 M * eyck sleep credit, 1114123758 M * eyck I'm missing 5-6 hours 1114123769 M * Martin eyck: Know the feeling... 1114123799 M * Martin Linux-VServer Test [V0.12] (C) 2003-2005 H.Poetzl 1114123799 M * Martin chcontext is working. 1114123799 M * Martin chbind failed! 1114123799 M * Martin Linux 2.4.27+vserver sparc64/0.30.206/0.30.206 [Ea] 1114123799 M * Martin VCI: 1114123801 M * Martin --- 1114123827 M * Bertl hmm, you are putting a 2.4 kernel on sparc? 1114123845 M * Bertl that is definitely bold ;) 1114123846 M * Martin Bertl: yea, seems more stable 1114123870 M * eyck Doener: such is life. Goodnight. 1114123877 M * Martin Night 1114123881 M * Doener good night eyck! 1114123896 M * Bertl Martin: I'm not convinced that this will work ... 1114123907 M * Martin 2.4 or vserver? 1114123924 M * Bertl but let me dig out the sources . 1114123952 M * Martin If you want I can try and roll up a 2.6 1114123963 M * Bertl that should work quite fine ... 1114123974 M * Martin I'll give it a punt 1114123987 M * Bertl and I'll look at 2.4.30-vs1.2.10 ... 1114124087 M * Bertl Martin: what syscall number does vserver-info - SYSINFO report? 1114124100 M * Martin With you in a sec 1114124112 M * Martin 's strange, I have got chbind to run... 1114124138 M * Bertl Doener: what do you think, shall we update the 1.2.x branch to use proper syscall numbers? 1114124177 M * Doener does it count as a real bugfix? 1114124187 M * Bertl hard to tell ... 1114124201 M * Martin Bertl: do you want all of vserver-info? 1114124222 M * Bertl no, just the syscall number, (or maybe uplaod it to pastebin.com?) 1114124304 M * Martin http://pastebin.com/274339 1114124307 M * Martin I think 1114124313 M * Martin vserver(2) syscall#: 273/default 1114124319 M * Martin incase not 1114124361 M * Bertl okay, that looks good, you know if dietlibc is working on sparc64 ? 1114124365 Q * prae Quit: Pwet 1114124380 M * Martin TBH, no. 1114124387 M * Martin But I'll see if I can find out. 1114124416 M * Bertl hmm, the important issues we encountered so far were related to env being not of proper SIZE_T 1114124425 M * Bertl i.e. only 4 bytes instead of 8 1114124444 M * Bertl (and the missing syscall implementation) 1114124463 M * Martin Seems to be. 1114124492 M * Martin Where should I look for this SIZE_T? 1114124507 M * Martin Oh, sorry, dietlibc seems to work on SPARC 1114124526 M * Bertl sparc yes, sparc64 is the big question here ;) 1114124554 M * Doener IIRC the bug was in environ.s 1114124567 M * Bertl yup, do you remember how we discovered it? 1114124577 M * Doener gdb session 1114124579 M * Martin sparc64 and sparc share a userland 1114124585 M * Doener ;) 1114124592 M * Bertl Martin: hmm, really? 1114124607 M * Bertl that means it will break definitely :/ 1114124640 M * Martin Yep. 1114124644 M * Bertl because there is absolutely no 32/64 bit compatibility layer 1114124668 M * Martin this is a problem for some tools such as bridge-utils 1114124672 M * Martin Ah. 1114124681 M * Martin How come any of it works then? 1114124700 M * Bertl probably because for some structures it 'just' works ;) 1114124721 M * Bertl but for 2.6 I'm more than willing to add such a layer ... 1114124728 M * Martin Debian only distribute one set of binaries for sparc, only the kernel is different. 1114124736 Q * berni uranium.oftc.net plasma.oftc.net 1114124736 Q * aba uranium.oftc.net plasma.oftc.net 1114124747 M * Martin AFAIK this is the same for all of the 32 and 64 arch's 1114124773 M * Martin Lucky if it just works. 1114124774 M * Doener AFAIK at least x86_64 got a special compatibility userspace for 32bit stuff 1114124797 J * berni ~berni@svr01.mucip.net 1114124797 J * aba ~aba@sol.turmzimmer.net 1114124807 M * Bertl well, 2.6 was designed arch independant ... so it works except for a single call (because I missed to make pointers arch invariant :/) 1114124848 M * Martin As I understand it the way it works on sparc64 is that structures are translated from 32 to 64 bit when passed from userspace to kernel (assuming a 32 bit user space program) 1114124863 M * Bertl yes, but this _has_ to be implemented ;) 1114124870 M * Martin I'll roll up a 2.6 and give that a go then? 1114124883 M * Bertl yep, 2.6 should work except for the dlimit calls 1114124885 M * Martin Bertl: yea, I get this - was just rambling :-) 1114124891 M * Martin dlimit? 1114124896 M * Bertl disk limits 1114124916 M * Martin Fair 1114124925 M * Martin Shouldn't need those just yet anyway 1114124940 M * Martin Have the old school way of limiting users disk usage. 1114124941 M * Bertl the dlimit syscall command is the only one passing a pointer 1114124966 M * Martin This seems like a good design dicission 1114125000 M * Bertl well, I would have avoided that pointer if I would have spent more thought on it ;) 1114125025 M * Martin Oh well, next version then? :-) 1114125089 M * Bertl 2.0-pre1 ;) 1114125097 M * Martin Fair 1114125126 M * Martin Kernel compile started 1114125132 M * Martin patch applied cleanly 1114125150 J * muadda ~muadda@gar31-1-82-234-50-167.fbx.proxad.net 1114125157 M * Bertl welcome muadda! 1114125159 M * Martin I know it's very premature but... 1114125164 M * muadda Hello ! 1114125185 M * Martin any thoughts on trying to get vserver into the mainstream kernel? 1114125209 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1114125212 M * Bertl yeah, actually I had a deep thought about that ... 1114125252 M * Martin I note that Xen is going mainstream fairly soon 1114125264 M * Martin and IMHO it's really not the right way of doing things 1114125276 M * Martin hence me being so happy when I found vserver 1114125298 M * Martin any particular config options for the vserver patch? 1114125300 M * daniel_hozac it is the right way of doing certain things ;) 1114125312 M * Bertl and I'm pretty sure that a) the kernel folks would never ever accept it (without somebody in the core team pushing it), and b) it's not for every user and making it configurable would cause an #ifdef hell 1114125338 M * Martin vserver or xen? 1114125349 M * Bertl Martin: btw, I'm not sure that Xen will be in mainline, what will be in mainline soon is support for xen arch 1114125361 M * Martin I stand corrected 1114125372 M * Martin Still don't think it's the right way of doing it :-D 1114125388 M * muadda If someone speak french here, I have written a document of my installation. I guess it contains a lot of mistakes ;) 1114125390 M * Martin Then again, Hurd seems like a good idea to me so you can't go trusting what I say. 1114125398 M * muadda http://alban.apinc.org/blog/index.php/2005/04/22/35-linux-vserver-project 1114125418 M * Bertl Martin: IMHO xen an linux-vserver have some things in common, but xen is really more like UML ... 1114125457 M * Doener Martin: just wait another year and you'll be able to see what Hurd is like ;) 1114125477 M * Martin My feeling was that changing both host and hosted kernel didn't seem like a clean way of doing anything 1114125482 M * Bertl muadda: hmm, maybe post it to the ml if you want somebody to proofread it .. (I'm not capable of doing so) 1114125489 M * Martin Doener: I have a hurd box on my other desk 1114125555 M * muadda ok 1114125559 M * Martin muadda: I speak a little french but not enough to help you I'm afraid. But your build process looks a lot like mine FWIW 1114125567 M * Doener really? how far has development made it? 1114125584 M * Martin Do I need / want any special config options for the vserver patch? 1114125592 M * Martin Doener: It runs X 1114125596 M * Martin Sometime 1114125599 M * Martin On some machine 1114125617 M * Martin Most of the movement is now towards replacing mach with L4 1114125623 M * Martin Which is A GOOD THING 1114125631 M * Doener yeah, i've read about that 1114125644 M * Martin Soon we should start seeing working hacks of the L4 system 1114125699 M * Doener last thing i've seen was some guy being _really_ happy about running some basic program... but maybe i misunderstood what he was saying... 1114125714 M * Martin It was big news in the Hurd world 1114125730 M * Martin The problem is that 95% of the components are there 1114125738 M * Martin He'd just turned up with another 1% 1114125746 M * muadda bye 1114125751 M * Martin bye 1114125755 M * Doener bye 1114125762 P * muadda Leaving 1114125951 M * Martin Kernel configured and building (-j 6), shouldn't be too long... 1114126013 M * Martin Ah yes, my other major gripe with Xen was it relying on x86 having 4 priveledge levels. Thena gain first case I've ever heard of anyone using the things. 1114126127 M * Martin Oooh, one other thing - was having some issues with vprocunhide 1114126165 M * Martin Get "function not implemented" or "not a typewriter" for every entry in /proc when I run it 1114126165 M * Doener hm, no need to use that on 2.4... only if you want to hide files 1114126184 M * Martin OK, will I need it on 2.6? 1114126203 M * Doener yes 1114126210 M * Martin Ah. 1114126220 M * Martin Is the handling different? 1114126231 M * Martin I.E. will this still be a problem 1114126268 A * Doener doesn't know much (anything?) about the 2.4 code... ;) 1114126285 M * Martin fairy nuff 1114126349 M * Martin kernel is done, now onto modules 1114127094 M * Martin compile done, now building 1114127231 J * nayco ~nayco@82.249.54.227 1114127243 Q * nayco Quit: 1114127413 J * who_ur_daddy ~4real@ool-4357300c.dyn.optonline.net 1114127451 M * Bertl welcome who_ur_daddy?! 1114127473 M * who_ur_daddy wazup 1114127492 M * Bertl linux-vserver development of course ;) 1114127495 M * Martin installing... 1114127516 M * who_ur_daddy lookn for mysql / php knowldege 1114127547 M * Bertl hmm, wrong channel then ... 1114127557 M * Martin maybe #php 1114127564 M * Martin or #mysql ? 1114127577 M * who_ur_daddy ty 1114127613 P * who_ur_daddy 1114127678 M * Martin here we go... 1114127762 M * Martin Hmmm... while it's POSTing what is the likely future of support for 2.4? 1114127800 M * Martin I.E. if this works (fingers crossed) would it be reasonable ot close the bug report with a - 'fixed in 2.6, upgrade'