1113437378 M * Bertl okay, night folks! cya tomorrow! 1113437386 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1113440551 J * click click@dsl-static-122-208.aal.tiscali.no 1113440802 Q * Seraph Remote host closed the connection 1113440804 J * Seraph kk@projects.verfaction.de 1113447129 Q * alban Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1113456396 M * eyck morning 1113457126 Q * click jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * gregster jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * mugwump jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * DaPhreak jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * atsab jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * virtuoso jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * Beirdo jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * rs jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * sith jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * Loki|muh jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457126 Q * SiD3WiNDR jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1113457154 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt 1113457172 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1113457179 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1113457196 J * gregster ~gregor@greart.de 1113457201 J * click click@dsl-static-122-208.aal.tiscali.no 1113457206 J * DaPhreak ~phreak@lms.rz.uni-greifswald.de 1113457212 J * sith sith@aaronp.com 1113457225 J * rs ~rs@194.98.28.10 1113457249 J * Beirdo ~gjhurlbu@beirdo.usercloak.oftc.net 1113457311 J * MrX freebsd@219.95.7.77 1113457507 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1113458922 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo2@adsl136-175.aknet.it 1113458928 M * Pazzo morning! 1113462009 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1113462261 M * gregster morning 1113462302 M * Pazzo morning gregster 1113462418 J * alban ~acrequy@AToulouse-105-2-2-69.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr 1113462864 J * IceTi 125@mw635449.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 1113462885 M * IceTi moin 1113462959 M * erwan_ho alban: \o/ 1113463073 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1113463792 M * IceTi somebody here? 1113463910 M * DaPhreak maybe .. 1113463932 M * Pazzo don't think so 1113463969 M * IceTi :-) 1113463992 M * IceTi where is the logfile, where i can see uf my vserver had done a reboot 1113464000 M * IceTi reboot -f 1113464009 M * IceTi is the reboot command, right? 1113464025 M * Loki|muh yes it is 1113464069 M * DaPhreak should .. either in the /var/log/messages in your vserver or in /var/log/messages on your host 1113464236 M * IceTi oki 1113464239 M * IceTi i look 1113464340 M * IceTi hmm i think the vserver dont have done i reboot 1113464393 M * IceTi i mom 1113464418 M * IceTi where can i change the systemtime? 1113464432 M * Loki|muh in the host-system 1113464448 M * IceTi how? 1113464466 M * Loki|muh man date 1113464477 M * Loki|muh date --set="" or something like this 1113464539 M * IceTi NO, the vserver dont restart when I´m in this vserver 1113464541 M * IceTi why? 1113464546 M * IceTi i type reboot -f 1113464550 M * IceTi but nithing 1113464653 M * IceTi in mesages of my root systen stand that: 1113464680 M * IceTi Apr 14 09:46:19 fw675972 kernel: vs_reboot(): failed to exec (/sbin/vshelper restart 42 ) 1113464681 M * IceTi Apr 14 09:46:19 fw675972 kernel: vs_reboot(): failed to exec (/sbin/vshelper restart2 42 ) 1113464699 M * IceTi how to fix that? 1113464764 M * Pazzo IceTi: what kernel / utils are you using? kernel 2.4 with "stable" old utils? 1113464777 M * Pazzo and is ther a /sbin/vshelper binary on your host? 1113464779 M * IceTi kernel 2.6.11 1113464785 M * IceTi uitl: 204 1113464840 M * IceTi i i think he sbin/vshelper is nit there? 1113464876 M * Pazzo is nit there? 1113464879 M * IceTi no 1113464926 M * Pazzo there should be a vshelper somewhere - find it! 1113465010 M * IceTi /root/util-vserver-0.30.204/scripts/vshelper 1113465015 M * IceTi ??? 1113465039 M * Pazzo that's your source code :-) nothing else? 1113465055 M * IceTi öhm 1113465061 M * IceTi /var/run/vshelper 1113465061 M * IceTi /var/run/vshelper 1113465095 M * IceTi /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper 1113465104 M * Pazzo ok, that's it 1113465111 M * Pazzo (or should be :-) 1113465135 M * Pazzo you can do two things: 1113465139 M * IceTi ok 1113465142 M * Pazzo ln -s /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper /sbin 1113465144 M * Pazzo or 1113465150 M * IceTi cp? 1113465152 M * IceTi ;-) 1113465175 M * Pazzo echo "/usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper" > /proc/sys/kernel/vshelper 1113465190 M * IceTi hmm i do the first thinf ;-) 1113465195 M * Pazzo better create the link as changes to proc need to be redone after every reboot 1113465202 M * IceTi the first? 1113465223 M * Pazzo don't use cp - you will forget it and if you upgrade thing may become wired 1113465230 M * IceTi ok 1113465249 M * Pazzo s/wired/weird/ 1113465273 M * IceTi i have make the link 1113465397 M * IceTi hmm now there stands nothing in var/log/mesages 1113465475 M * Pazzo so it did reboot? 1113465507 M * IceTi hmm i dont now 1113465526 M * Pazzo have a look at the running processes - how old are they 1113465541 M * Pazzo or if using virt_uptime just type "uptime" inside the vserver 1113465550 M * Pazzo or look at the syslog in the vserver 1113465559 M * Pazzo there are many ways to find it out 1113465579 M * IceTi ok one minute ;-) 1113465738 M * IceTi sorry but where is the syslog? 1113465771 M * Pazzo /var/log/syslog or maybe /var/log/messages 1113465780 M * Pazzo (back soon) 1113465786 M * IceTi no :-( 1113465786 N * Pazzo PazZzzzooo 1113465814 M * PazZzzzooo you are running vservers and don't know where your logfiles are? 1113465831 M * IceTi sure, but there is no syslog 1113465832 A * PazZzzzooo now really needs a coffee - cu in 30 mins 1113465863 M * IceTi how i can be sure that the vserver has done a reboot? 1113466187 M * IceTi ? 1113466774 J * prae ~prae@134.106-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com 1113467126 N * PazZzzzooo Pazzo 1113467131 M * Pazzo re 1113467187 M * Pazzo IceTi: have a look at ps output - processes like daemons show to be running since vs is up 1113467201 M * Pazzo after a reboot time should be zeroed 1113467216 M * IceTi bash-2.05b# ps 1113467216 M * IceTi PID TTY TIME CMD 1113467216 M * IceTi 8179 pts/1 00:00:00 vsftpd 1113467216 M * IceTi 8199 pts/1 00:00:00 bash 1113467216 M * IceTi 8735 pts/1 00:00:00 ps 1113467273 M * Pazzo ps -ef 1113467395 M * IceTi bash-2.05b# ps -ef 1113467395 M * IceTi UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD 1113467395 M * IceTi root 8154 1 0 03:19 ? 00:00:00 syslogd -m 0 1113467395 M * IceTi root 8167 1 0 03:19 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/sshd 1113467395 M * IceTi root 8179 1 0 03:19 pts/1 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/vsftpd /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf 1113467395 M * IceTi root 8199 7986 0 03:20 pts/1 00:00:00 /bin/bash -login 1113467397 M * IceTi root 8825 8199 0 04:31 pts/1 00:00:00 ps -ef 1113467592 M * Pazzo you shouldn't show me this things - just have a look at them, restart the vserver, look at them again 1113467773 M * Pazzo IceTi: or google for "vserver virt_uptime" - set the right flag in vservers config and you could see a vservers uptime 1113467850 M * Pazzo vserver-stat should also show you a vservers uptime 1113467891 M * Pazzo but I don't know if this is only because of virt_uptime in my default flags 1113468381 M * IceTi no vserver-stat 1113468386 M * IceTi dont´work 1113468461 M * IceTi there stand 1113468526 M * Pazzo no vserver stat??? 1113468544 M * Pazzo look in your /usr/local/lib/util-vserver or somewhere else 1113468587 M * Pazzo if you build your package by yourself look at install paths used my make install - maybe ./configure --help could be your friend 1113468615 M * Pazzo depending on your distro there could also be prepackaged utils somewhere out there - using paths like /sbin & co 1113469110 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com 1113469524 Q * prae Read error: Connection reset by peer 1113469564 J * prae ~prae@134.106-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com 1113471668 M * IceTi hey i think it work now 1113471671 M * IceTi :-) 1113471772 M * Pazzo congratulation! 1113471894 M * IceTi :-) 1113471899 M * IceTi now another question 1113471905 M * IceTi ;-) 1113471926 M * IceTi can I start a graphic envirement in a vserveR? 1113472160 M * eyck yes. 1113472366 M * IceTi how? 1113472515 M * TheSeer startx 1113472515 M * TheSeer ? 1113472544 M * IceTi no that don´t work 1113472918 M * TheSeer now we know everything to help you 1113473090 M * eyck IceTi: there's a document in wiki about this, 1113473116 M * eyck IceTi: X needs some unusual stuff (like /dev/mem/) to work, 1113473125 M * IceTi hmm 1113474787 Q * ComplexHo Quit: Leaving 1113475641 M * IceTi i install all x stuff now 1113475654 M * IceTi but can i startx with putty? 1113475658 M * IceTi in windows? 1113475894 N * Doener_zZz Doener 1113475903 M * Doener morning 1113476007 M * Pazzo morning doener! 1113476262 M * Doener IceTi: if you're remotely working on that box, you don't even want to start an X server there... get a X server for windows and do X forwarding over ssh 1113476275 M * Doener hey Pazzo, having fun? ;) 1113476291 M * IceTi what? 1113476306 M * IceTi qwhat about cygwin? 1113476459 M * Doener cygwin/X is what you're looking for if you want any graphical stuff 1113476561 M * IceTi ok putty not? 1113476628 M * Doener i don't think that cygwin/X includes a ssh client, so you need both... 1113477046 M * IceTi hmm 1113477382 M * Pazzo hi Doener! 1113477387 M * Pazzo having fun????? 1113477411 M * Pazzo by doing what? 1113477422 M * Pazzo chatting with IceTi? 1113477437 A * Pazzo prefers Long Island IceTi! 1113477464 M * Doener ;) 1113477568 M * Pazzo or even better: many Long Island IceTi :-) 1113477749 M * Pazzo http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink590.html 1113477877 M * IceTi hehe 1113477884 M * IceTi hmm i don´t can intall xfree 1113477891 M * IceTi fuck off 1113477903 M * IceTi and now my last question 1113477909 M * Pazzo sure? 1113477913 M * Doener ok, that's an ignore now... 1113477949 M * IceTi can i or the user in the vserver create a new file system? 1113477988 M * DaCa whats the difference between patch-2.6.11.7-vs1.9.5.x5.diff.bz2 1113478000 M * DaCa and patch-2.6.11.7-vs1.9.5.x.diff.bz2 1113478097 M * Pazzo no idea - I'm still testing patch-2.6.11.7-vs1.9.5.x.diff.bz2 :-) 1113478099 M * Pazzo Doener? 1113478203 M * IceTi hello? 1113478204 M * Pazzo IceTi: what do you mean by "create a new file system"? you can for example create an empty file, format it with ext3. you can create an iso file. but by default you cannot mount them - and you cannot do bad things to the hosts devices 1113478234 M * DaCa IceTi: hi! 1113478234 M * IceTi can I create for example a new filesystem? 1113478239 M * Doener DaCa: want the difference in diffs? 1113478278 M * Doener i.e. filenames from FOR-1.9.6? 1113478287 M * IceTi ?? 1113478317 M * DaCa Doener: you mean x5 has just some more delta's added? 1113478319 M * IceTi for example /usr or so 1113478328 M * Doener yep 1113478344 M * IceTi when I make "df" in the vserver come: 1113478348 M * IceTi Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on 1113478349 M * IceTi /dev/hdv1 100790036 3581408 92088716 4% / 1113478349 M * IceTi none 16384 0 16384 0% /tmp 1113478383 M * IceTi and in my root server there are: /usr/ tmp /opt and so 1113478434 M * Pazzo < -EXTRAVERSION = .7 1113478436 M * Pazzo < +EXTRAVERSION = .7-vs1.9.5.x 1113478511 M * Pazzo hmmm... changes to fs/namespace.c ... 1113478542 M * Pazzo ...can I find out which single patches are there? 1113478572 M * Doener proc_mounts_fix04, infohide-feat01, banner-feat01, inodes-clean01, vkill-fix02, vshelper-clean01, x25-fix03 1113478595 M * Pazzo IceTi: /usr is not a filesystem - it's a folder or a mountpoint 1113478601 M * IceTi hmm 1113478605 M * Doener the change in fs/namespace.c is trivial, disables proc-virtualization in context 1 1113478606 M * IceTi what are then file systems? 1113478612 M * Doener http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-1.9.6/delta-proc_mounts_fix04.diff 1113478658 M * Pazzo IceTi: are you sure linux-vserver is the right toy for you? you should better first get some basic knowledge about your linux system! 1113478674 M * Pazzo IceTi: devices / mountpoints etc 1113478681 M * IceTi hmn 1113478683 M * IceTi no comment 1113478754 M * Pazzo Doener: fs/proc/array.c -> if (task_vx_flags(task, VXF_INFO_HIDE, 0)) goto skip; 1113478776 M * Pazzo some lines in fs/proc/base.c ... 1113478814 M * Pazzo is there a way to "backtrace" where this patches come from without catching all single changes and comparing them with the different deltas? 1113478852 M * Doener Pazzo: you can ask me, i know where they come from ;) 1113478865 M * Doener http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-1.9.6/delta-infohide-feat01.diff 1113478919 M * Doener that's the one changing fs/proc/base.c ... it (re-?)enables the infohide functionality 1113478954 M * Pazzo *gg* thnx doener! I just asked because I don't want to disturb you by asking things I could find out by myself :-) 1113479023 M * Doener well, i already did lookup which patches are applied to .x to get .x5 (see above), so it's not much additional work ;) 1113479225 M * Pazzo ok, so .x (not .x5) is proc_mounts_fix04, banner-feat01, inodes-clean01, vkill-fix02, vshelper-clean01, x25-fix03 - right? 1113479291 M * Doener uhm... no, shouldn't be... 1113479293 M * Doener 13:36:12 Doener proc_mounts_fix04, infohide-feat01, banner-feat01, inodes-clean01, vkill-fix02, vshelper-clean01, x25-fix03 1113479310 M * Doener those are the patches that take you from .x to .x5 1113479321 M * Pazzo oooooookay 1113479327 M * Pazzo now it's clear 1113479396 M * Pazzo I thought this where the patches from 1.9.5 to 1.9.5.x5 and the difference to 1.9.5.x was just infohide-feat0 1113479447 M * Pazzo maybe Bertl could log such things somewhere? would keep people from asking "stupid" questions... 1113479486 M * Doener maybe... ;) do you want the patches that make up .x to? 1113479490 M * Doener s/to/too/ 1113479769 M * Pazzo if you know them: yes! if it takes you half an hour to find them out: thank you, but it's not worth that effort! 1113479889 M * Doener shouldn't take long... 1113479906 M * TheSeer gna.. 1113479926 M * TheSeer why doesn't util-vserver have a vapt-cache wrapper ;& 1113479981 M * Pazzo TheSeer: hmmm... for doing what? 1113480031 M * TheSeer for searching in a vserver-related apt database? 1113480053 M * TheSeer like apt-cache search somepackage? 1113480088 M * Pazzo what about using vserver blabla exec apt-cache search package? 1113480240 M * TheSeer that's not as nice ;> 1113480243 M * TheSeer but i'm doing that now.. 1113480248 M * TheSeer or trying at least 1113480313 M * Pazzo TheSeer: just write a little shell script 1113480340 M * Pazzo vserver $1 exec apt-cache $2 $3 1113480350 M * Pazzo call it /usr/bin/vapt-cache 1113480365 M * Pazzo and do vapt-cache vsname search package 1113480415 M * TheSeer won't work 1113480430 M * TheSeer since the apt is installed on the host not on the client server 1113480444 M * TheSeer i'm copying/adjusting the vapt-get wrapper now 1113480449 M * TheSeer it's easy enough task ;) 1113480532 M * wurd *** rpm-fake-resolver was built with glibc; please do *** 1113480533 M * wurd *** not report errors before trying a dietlibc version. *** 1113480543 M * wurd does this mean i have to rebuild the vserver utils ? 1113480675 M * Pazzo wurd: if you have trouble: yes. otherwise keep your current version as as long as it is working ;-) I have never used rpm-fake-resolver 1113480759 M * Doener Pazzo: here we go: vroot-feat01, syslog-feat01, initvx_clean01, initvx-fix01, unhold-fix01, kconfig-feat01, vkill-feat01, x25-fix02 1113480790 M * Pazzo thnx Doener! 1113480876 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1113480881 M * Doener morning Bertl! 1113480892 M * Pazzo morning Bertl! 1113480892 M * Bertl morning folks! Doener! 1113480919 M * TheSeer ah.. works ;) 1113481072 M * Pazzo Bertl: what about adding a little wiki site storing infos about which patch contains which deltas? Doener told me details about 1.9.5 -> 1.9.5.x -> 1.9.5.x5 ... 1113481099 M * Pazzo I'm sure many others are also interested in this - and as long as we're not gonna use bitkeeper ... ;-p 1113481121 M * Bertl you heard about linus and bitkeeper? 1113481180 M * Pazzo yep ;-) 1113481182 J * palmi ~polm@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1113481194 J * Hubs ~a@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1113481291 M * Pazzo Bertl: from http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2005-04/LOG_2005-04-11.txt: 1113250646 M * Pazzo http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/118211&from=rss - Linus: 1113481294 M * IceTi can i compile a new kernel just in a vserveR? 1113481297 M * Pazzo 1113250649 M * Pazzo (Ironically, many users and distributions are likely to actually not mind slightly slower development for a while. One of the most common worries for users is just the fact that 2.6.x has continued to be developed at a very high rate thanks to just how smoothly it's been working, so I bet some people are both upset and gratified by this all. ;) 1113481317 M * Pazzo this statement is great :-) 1113481347 M * Pazzo IceTi: sure - but you can install it only on the host 1113481363 M * IceTi not on a vserver? 1113481390 M * IceTi and where can i find something about cdlimit? 1113481390 M * Bertl Timo: I thought you wanted to read some documentation? 1113481397 M * Pazzo IceTi: please first read what vserver actually is before you ask such questions 1113481399 M * IceTi :-( 1113481430 M * IceTi but where? 1113481470 M * Pazzo did nobody told you about www.linux-vserver.org? 1113481481 M * Pazzo do you know google? 1113481596 M * IceTi no :-) 1113481598 M * IceTi ;-) 1113481605 M * IceTi ok ok i understand 1113481612 M * IceTi i think i will never ask here something 1113481624 M * IceTi i just want a yes or no 1113481641 M * IceTi because its aiut faster than to google! 1113481687 M * Bertl is it? 1113481692 M * IceTi Yes 1113481695 M * IceTi no 1113481699 M * wurd Pazzo : E: Could not open file /etc/vservers/vserv/apps/pkgmgmt/base/apt/etc/rpmpriorities - open (2 Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type) 1113481699 M * wurd E: could not open package priority file /etc/vservers/vserv/apps/pkgmgmt/base/apt/etc/rpmpriorities 1113481706 M * wurd this is trouble? :) 1113482071 M * wurd so i assume i have to get dietlibc (whatever that is) and then rebuild the vserver utilities ? 1113482135 M * Bertl would be a good choice, not sure it is related to your issues though 1113482180 M * wurd *** rpm-fake-resolver was built with glibc; please do *** 1113482185 M * wurd *** not report errors before trying a dietlibc version. 1113482203 M * wurd i get this message right before the "E: Could not open file" message 1113482220 M * wurd so doesnt it mean that my lack of dietlibc is the problem ? 1113482258 M * Bertl no, it just means that you should not complain about it before trying with dietlibc ;) 1113482287 M * wurd ok so it MIGHT be related to my issues :) 1113482442 M * Bertl yep 1113482478 M * Bertl because I can't read french and you did not use LC_ALL=C, LANG=C, I can't tell you more ;) 1113482549 Q * IceTi Quit: get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net :: 1113482854 M * wurd haha sorry i just didnt realize it was written in french :) 1113482888 M * wurd it says: no file or directory of this type 1113482905 M * wurd most likely it didnt find the file 1113482949 M * Pazzo no more Long Island IceTi :-( 1113483036 M * Bertl well, I guess his teachers expect more than bugging folks on an irc channel for the answers to finish his project ... at least I hope so ;) 1113483129 J * IceTi 125@mw635449.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 1113483138 M * IceTi is vserver better than UML and vmware? 1113483156 M * Bertl definitely! it's really hard to install vmware in UML ;) 1113483190 M * Pazzo IceTi: is a knife better than a fork? 1113483219 M * Bertl especially if you got soup to eat ;) 1113483226 M * Pazzo *gg* 1113483301 M * Pazzo vserver, UML and vmware: all of them are great - but they are different tools for doing different jobs 1113483303 M * IceTi öhm 1113483312 M * Pazzo it depends on your needs what's best for you 1113483313 M * IceTi ok 1113483337 M * Pazzo and you cannot expect that people here are going to explain you what linux-vserver actually is 1113483353 M * IceTi I ask becuase here: http://verfaction.de/vserver ... stand vserver is better 1113483372 M * Pazzo there is a wiki full of information - from basic knowledge up to very hard-to-understand stuff 1113483384 M * IceTi HELLO ?????? 1113483391 M * IceTi ach ey 1113483393 M * IceTi bye 1113483422 Q * IceTi Quit: 1113483460 M * Pazzo Doener told that today he used /ignore the first time on this channel... if he comes back I'll have to do so too *grrr* 1113483502 M * Bertl okay, any native english speaker around, willing to check the FSM article once again? 1113483613 J * IceTi 125@mw635449.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 1113483617 M * IceTi http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2005-04/LOG_2005-04-14.txt 1113483621 M * IceTi :-) 1113483643 M * Doener *ROTFL* 1113483649 M * Doener scnr 1113483674 M * Bertl hey Timo, you found the real-time irc log? 1113483683 M * IceTi Yes 1113483688 M * Doener Bertl: did fsm extend the timeframe for writing the articles? 1113483706 M * Bertl yep, obviously the publishing system wasn't ready ;) 1113483716 M * IceTi (Bertl): can I send u my dokumention later? 1113483738 M * Bertl sure, why not ... 1113483763 M * IceTi (Bertl): but u must promise my that u don´t put it online 1113483766 M * Pazzo Bertl: my english is really bad, but nontheless: please post the link, I'm interested in it 1113483782 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Linux2.6/?page=FSM_Article 1113483783 M * IceTi (Bertl): erst im juni 1113483822 M * Bertl I was asked to add some example and/or maybe a picture and to use what they call 'zoom' if possible and to convert it to their xml format 1113483823 M * IceTi ;-) 1113483858 M * Doener a picture? 1113483871 M * Pazzo Bertl: thnx! why doesn't it show up in the wiki's recent changes? 1113483879 M * Bertl Doener: image, diagram, whatever ... 1113483892 M * Bertl Pazzo: it's a different wiki ;) 1113483911 M * Pazzo hehe... sorry bertl! 1113483913 M * Bertl already wanted to scratch it, but didn't move the contents yet 1113483960 M * Pazzo IceTi: have a look at this article - it should answer some of your questions! 1113483965 M * Bertl Doener: I thought maybe do a vserver start with the nice [OK] messages as code example? 1113483979 M * IceTi (Pazzo): thanx 1113484008 M * Doener maybe followed by vserver-stat output? 1113484018 M * Bertl Doener: and a chcontext command for the paragraph where we mention the relation to chroot() 1113484023 Q * IceTi Quit: get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net :: 1113484024 M * Bertl yeah, good idea! 1113484054 M * Bertl I don't think that we do the picture/image part ... 1113484121 M * SiD3WiNDR how do I create a decent working debian vserver on a debian host? 1113484138 M * SiD3WiNDR vserver build bla bla debootstrap does odd stuff 1113484138 M * Bertl 1) install the proper tools 1113484150 M * SiD3WiNDR it created a 900M vserver 1113484161 M * SiD3WiNDR I thought that was a bit big :p 1113484174 M * Bertl hmm, maybe debian has such huge dependancies 1113484175 M * SiD3WiNDR it seems to have copied the whole /usr 1113484176 M * SiD3WiNDR no 1113484183 M * SiD3WiNDR it had host system's /usr inside it 1113484193 M * Bertl huh? 1113484197 M * SiD3WiNDR funky eh 1113484208 M * SiD3WiNDR a copy of it, I mean 1113484216 M * SiD3WiNDR not that we have THAT funky stuff inside happening ;) 1113484229 M * Bertl after doing vserver build -m debootstrap ? 1113484265 M * SiD3WiNDR yes 1113484274 M * Bertl okay, what tools did you use? 1113484275 M * SiD3WiNDR that accounted for some 400M 1113484281 M * SiD3WiNDR due to my kernel source and stuff being there 1113484294 M * SiD3WiNDR vserver 0.30.204 -- manages the state of vservers 1113484294 M * SiD3WiNDR This program is part of util-vserver 0.30.204 1113484300 M * aba SiD3WiNDR: curious. It worked quite well for me with the current tools ... 1113484326 M * Bertl yes, sounds interesting ... never heard that it copied anything from the host ... 1113484337 M * SiD3WiNDR hehe 1113484342 M * SiD3WiNDR well, neither do I 1113484344 M * Bertl ah, btw, now that I have at least one 'maintainer' for debian around ;) 1113484350 M * SiD3WiNDR but I do know /usr/src/linux-2.4.30 is not a debian package ;) 1113484351 M * aba SiD3WiNDR: the script should have a debootstrap inside 1113484361 A * aba is not maintainer of util-vserver in debian ... 1113484361 M * SiD3WiNDR aba: yes, it did debootstrap stuff... 1113484371 M * aba SiD3WiNDR: and with that, nothing should be copied. 1113484375 M * SiD3WiNDR but! in the end, in /usr/src was my linux kernel from the host 1113484409 M * aba SiD3WiNDR: can you call the script as bash -x vserver build -m debootstrap 2>&1 | tee vserver.log, and publish the log somewhere? 1113484416 M * SiD3WiNDR okay 1113484424 M * Bertl aba: no, but you are, like others, interested in improving debian support for the tools, right? 1113484435 M * aba of course. 1113484441 M * SiD3WiNDR hmm. did I break something :p 1113484446 M * SiD3WiNDR E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/deb3.1 1113484470 A * SiD3WiNDR scratches head 1113484487 M * aba SiD3WiNDR: you usually name the scripts sarge or woody, but not deb3.1 - at least with normal debootstrap 1113484502 M * Pazzo Bertl, aba: if someone is interested: I did some improvement of debian stuff... (for sarge only) 1113484515 M * Bertl so I would like to ask you in Enrico's name to make a short report (email or something) about the issues you encounter with recent (best cvs or 0.30.205 + patches) tools, and which build methods work and what doesn't work ... 1113484533 M * Bertl and of course, patches to improve stuff are always welcome! 1113484557 M * aba Pazzo: in that case, please send a bug report (severity wishlist) to the debian bug tracking system ... 1113484599 M * Pazzo I added the "-s " param to "... build -m debootstrap ..." some time ago - and it made it to finish in sarge's new util-vserver package... 1113484615 M * Pazzo ...then we created a personal debootstrap script... 1113484636 M * Pazzo ...to do all the cleanup needed to strip all stuff not needed in a vserver 1113484681 J * jrc ~jrc@0x535d932b.bynxx16.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk 1113484700 M * SiD3WiNDR aba: well I didn't touch it :) 1113484708 M * SiD3WiNDR aba: I just ran the exact commandline above 1113484710 M * Pazzo we are doing now vserver ... build ... -m debootstrap -- -d sarge -s /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/vserver_sarge 1113484717 M * aba SiD3WiNDR: interessting ... 1113484736 M * Pazzo SiD3WiNDR: try to add -d sarge ... 1113484749 M * Pazzo vserver build -m debootstrap -- -d sarge 1113484782 M * SiD3WiNDR yea 1113484784 M * SiD3WiNDR was doing that 1113484790 M * SiD3WiNDR now I have to remove the "existing" config first :) 1113484792 M * SiD3WiNDR brb 1113484836 M * SiD3WiNDR this all works with 1.2 still, right? :) 1113484851 M * SiD3WiNDR -- -d sarge doesn't error out right there :) 1113484851 M * Pazzo aba: I don't know if this would be useful for upstream... 1113484918 M * Pazzo aba: ... we removed some useless packages (ppp stuff...), clean up inittab (respawning ttys), disabled klogd in rc2.d and such things 1113484943 M * SiD3WiNDR I wonder where it gets deb3.1 from. 1113484952 M * aba Pazzo: upstream as in debian? Well, probably yes. 1113484970 M * SiD3WiNDR <3 debian 1113485000 M * Pazzo aba: is -s /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/vserver_sarge the right way of doing so? 1113485033 M * aba Pazzo: sorry, I can't even remember. It seems to look fine - but, don't ask me. 1113485183 M * SiD3WiNDR hah 1113485184 M * SiD3WiNDR wth 1113485186 M * SiD3WiNDR now it worked fine 1113485198 M * SiD3WiNDR 141M vserver 1113485207 A * SiD3WiNDR slaps himself 1113485212 M * SiD3WiNDR must have made some mistake earlier on 1113485213 M * Bertl welcome jrc! 1113485233 M * SiD3WiNDR aba, Pazzo, Bertl : thanks :) 1113485251 M * SiD3WiNDR hum 1113485254 M * SiD3WiNDR something broken 1113485266 M * SiD3WiNDR or not.. 1113485291 M * SiD3WiNDR phew :) 1113485308 M * SiD3WiNDR the hostname was set to the same thing as the host system... 1113485325 M * Bertl did you specify any hostname? 1113485333 M * SiD3WiNDR no 1113485339 M * Bertl usually you add a bunch of 'options' to the build process 1113485340 M * SiD3WiNDR I ran as above, vserver build -m debootstrap -- -d sarge 1113485342 M * SiD3WiNDR hehe 1113485343 M * SiD3WiNDR yea 1113485351 M * SiD3WiNDR although if it isn't given 1113485352 M * Bertl like --hostname or --interface ... 1113485365 M * SiD3WiNDR I'd rather use the above than the host system's hostname 1113485405 M * Bertl the tools just do not assign any hostname, and the kernel does a fallback there 1113485410 M * SiD3WiNDR hm 1113485415 M * SiD3WiNDR /etc/hostname contained the name 1113485428 M * SiD3WiNDR but I guess it's not used 1113485433 M * SiD3WiNDR I still wonder how that wound up there then :) 1113485444 M * aba SiD3WiNDR: you should edit /etc/hostname (and some other files) 1113485453 M * SiD3WiNDR apparently 1113485454 M * Bertl maybe because of some post processing scripts and/or the debootstrap? 1113485460 M * SiD3WiNDR Bertl: very possible ;) 1113485500 M * Pazzo aba: I'll send a bug report next days - need to do some cleanup first ;-) 1113485584 M * SiD3WiNDR is it possible to create a non-debian vserver on a debian system? 1113485590 M * SiD3WiNDR I read something about not having yum/rpm/.. available :) 1113485598 M * jrc Bertl: Thanks :) (sorry, didn't pay attention for a little while) 1113485676 M * Bertl np ;) 1113485818 M * jrc I'm having a small problem (again), I might not have read enough about S_CAPS, but when I try to su to another user, I get some permission errors I can't figure out: (example will follow shortly) 1113485851 M * jrc root@mail ~# su - jrc 1113485851 M * jrc su: warning: cannot change directory to /home/users/jrc: Permission denied 1113485852 M * jrc su: /bin/bash: Permission denied 1113485880 M * wurd Bertl do you know what could cause my issues, except the absence of dietlibc? 1113485908 M * jrc permissions seems right, I can dump here if anyone would like to check 1113485965 M * jrc Last time I had a problem it was actually Trustix related and not vserver related.. it might be the case again 1113486056 M * jrc .. hmm, just found something on Google - seems like this problem is common (I'll try to figure it out) 1113486218 M * SiD3WiNDR tequila:~# vserver mailgw2 enter 1113486218 M * SiD3WiNDR 'vserver ... suexec' is support for running vservers only; aborting... 1113486226 M * SiD3WiNDR -> it wasn't running. maybe that should be mentioned? ;) 1113486357 P * jsambrook 1113486413 M * Pazzo SiD3WiNDR: ...create a non-debian vserver on a debian... <- yes 1113486489 M * SiD3WiNDR neat. 1113486672 M * Bertl jrc: most likely you have a 000 permission on the vservers root dir 1113486696 M * Bertl which is something absolutely wrong (but some distros/users do it anyway) 1113486711 M * jrc ok, just for the IRC log.. my /vserver/server permissions were incorrect 1113486718 M * jrc Bertl: Exactly 1113486736 M * jrc Bertl: Well, it wasn't 000 but 700 - but same problem 1113486749 M * Bertl wurd: does the file in question exist? 1113486790 M * jrc Bertl: At first, I just checked the permissions from inside the server: root@master /home/vservers# ls -ld / 1113486794 M * jrc drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 496 Apr 14 15:43 / 1113486808 M * jrc uhmm, wrong copy/paste :) 1113486871 M * jrc .. but nevermind, problem is solved 1113486873 M * wurd Bertl , no the file /etc/vservers/vserv/apps/pkgmgmt/base/apt/etc/rpmpriorities doesnt exist, but the directory in which it's supposed to be, does exist 1113487256 P * Hubs 1113487512 M * SiD3WiNDR aba: except /etc/hostname what else needs to be edited for it to work properly? I created sources.list in the meanwhile :) 1113487683 M * Bertl wurd: it's probably looking for the rpmpriorities 1113487699 M * Bertl there is a default file for that, but ahving the dir will override it ... 1113487764 Q * alban Quit: Leaving 1113488000 M * aba SiD3WiNDR: depends on your system a bit. Good guesses are resolv.conf, hosts 1113488218 M * wurd i dont understand what you mean Bertl ... :/ 1113488245 M * wurd you mean i should delete the dir in order for it to look for the default file? 1113488403 J * micah_ micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1113488459 M * Bertl welcome micah_! 1113488479 M * Bertl wurd: the tools look in /etc/vservers/.apps IIRC 1113488483 Q * micah Read error: Operation timed out 1113488520 M * Bertl wurd: unless there is an override for a specific vserver 1113488569 M * Bertl but that might be wrong here in any case, when exactly do you get the message, and could you set the LC_ALL so that I can read the complete output? 1113488731 M * wurd i get the message when i execute the following command : 1113488751 M * wurd $ /usr/lib/util-vserver/vserver-build --force -m apt-rpm -n vserv --netdev=eth0 --interface 10.99.1.6 --netmask 255.255.0.0 -- -d fc3 1113488762 M * wurd which i found in the FC3 HowTo 1113488802 M * wurd and here's the whole message : 1113488806 M * wurd Renamed '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/vserv' to '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/vserv.~1113485405~' 1113488806 M * wurd Renamed '/etc/vservers/vserv' to '/etc/vservers/vserv.~1113485405~' 1113488806 M * wurd Renamed '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/vserv' to '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/vserv.~1113485406~' 1113488808 M * Bertl okay, I'd say the howto is wrong then ... 1113488815 M * wurd *** rpm-fake-resolver was built with glibc; please do *** 1113488816 M * wurd *** not report errors before trying a dietlibc version. *** 1113488816 M * wurd *** rpm-fake-resolver was built with glibc; please do *** 1113488816 M * wurd *** not report errors before trying a dietlibc version. *** 1113488824 M * wurd E: Could not open file /etc/vservers/vserv/apps/pkgmgmt/base/apt/etc/rpmpriorities - open (2 Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type) 1113488825 M * wurd E: could not open package priority file /etc/vservers/vserv/apps/pkgmgmt/base/apt/etc/rpmpriorities 1113488839 M * Bertl first, there is no need to execute vserver-build directly 1113488841 M * wurd Aucun fichier ou repertoire de ce type = There is no file or directory of this type 1113488872 M * Bertl second, you should not use --force without good reason 1113488882 M * Bertl try the following: 1113488966 M * Bertl vserver vserv2 build -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.6/16 -- -d fc3 1113489105 M * wurd i get the same error message :( 1113489120 M * Bertl the fake resolver one? 1113489131 M * Bertl or the Could not open file one? 1113489149 M * wurd hold on 1113489171 M * Bertl because the fake resolver one will stay until you recompile with dietlibc 1113489217 N * kevinp|gone kevinp 1113489224 M * wurd i get both messages (as i do from the beginnign) 1113489231 M * Bertl welcome kevinp! 1113489235 M * wurd could not open file & fake resolver come together 1113489237 M * kevinp morning! 1113489283 M * Bertl wurd: that's with 0.30.205? 1113489297 M * wurd 204 im pretty sure 1113489320 M * Bertl hmm, please try with 205, there were some fc3 related issues fixed there IIRC 1113489329 M * wurd ok 1113489339 M * Bertl btw, what distro do you use? 1113489353 M * Bertl (on the host system) 1113489357 M * kevinp Bertl, you still need someone to go over the article? 1113489371 M * wurd last time i checked, the link to the 205 download was taking me to a webpage (and not a download) 1113489372 M * Bertl definitely, I'm preparing to convert it to xml! 1113489391 M * wurd i use fc3 1113489397 M * Bertl okay, sec 1113489454 M * wurd but its probably fixed right now, since last time i checked was 2 days ago 1113489555 M * SiD3WiNDR mailgw2:/# hostname 1113489555 M * SiD3WiNDR mailgw2 1113489555 M * SiD3WiNDR mailgw2:/# hostname -f 1113489555 M * SiD3WiNDR hostname: Unknown host 1113489559 M * SiD3WiNDR how do I fix this? 1113489568 M * SiD3WiNDR (sorry, I'm a bit clueless today) 1113489676 M * wurd cant find 205 today though :/ 1113489677 M * Bertl wurd: http://www.13thfloor.at/~ensc/util-vserver/files/alpha/util-vserver-0.30.205.tar.bz2 1113489681 M * wurd ok thanks 1113489692 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1113489703 M * Bertl it's just my bad internet connection, keeps fading in and out :/ 1113489721 M * wurd np 1113489752 M * Bertl SiD3WiNDR: that's the fully qualified domain name ... 1113489798 M * Bertl (i.e. it uses the resolver, so you might want to add something to hosts, or your nameserver) 1113489829 M * SiD3WiNDR yes, I'm stupid ;) 1113489837 M * SiD3WiNDR I just fixed it indeed by creating /etc/hosts 1113489838 A * SiD3WiNDR hides 1113489852 M * Bertl well, happens, and no you're not stupid ;) 1113489881 M * SiD3WiNDR well no, but aba told me to create /etc/hosts a few lines above 1113489889 M * SiD3WiNDR and I was going to do that after I fixed this one 1113489890 M * SiD3WiNDR silly me ;) 1113489901 M * SiD3WiNDR all my other vservers were created with the debian-newvserver package thingy 1113489908 M * SiD3WiNDR but that no longer seems to work 1113489914 M * SiD3WiNDR and vserver build is the best way anyhow :) 1113489921 M * Bertl second that! 1113489968 M * Bertl no it might not be the best right now, but it's better for _all_ distros if it becomes the best ... so contributing changes to that is much better than writing a separate tool 1113490063 M * Bertl it's similar to the wiki/howtos ... if folks would spend more time on cleaning up 'the installation page' (whatever it might be) the distro specific pages could reduce their procedure to some hints which describe the deviations from the main procedure 1113490080 M * Bertl this way, if something changes only one place has to be modified ... 1113490098 M * Bertl (changes with the tools and such, that is) 1113490410 M * kevinp Bertl: I'll try and look at the doc as I have time . . . 1113490439 M * Bertl excellent, you still have the url, right? 1113490455 M * kevinp yeah, got it 1113490749 M * Pazzo bye all, cya l8er 1113490758 M * Bertl cya Pazzo! 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~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au 1113492126 J * bro ~vanity@lanparty.lv 1113492126 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1113492126 J * Bertl ~herbert@janus.mc.tuwien.ac.at 1113492126 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net 1113492126 J * ndim hun@helena.bawue.de 1113492126 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176 1113492126 J * ntrs_ ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1113492126 J * MrX freebsd@219.95.7.77 1113492126 J * micah_ micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1113492126 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1113492126 J * Beirdo ~gjhurlbu@beirdo.usercloak.oftc.net 1113492126 J * rs ~rs@194.98.28.10 1113492126 J * sith sith@aaronp.com 1113492126 J * DaPhreak ~phreak@lms.rz.uni-greifswald.de 1113492126 J * click click@dsl-static-122-208.aal.tiscali.no 1113492126 J * gregster ~gregor@greart.de 1113492126 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1113492126 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt 1113492126 J * Seraph kk@projects.verfaction.de 1113492126 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-157-172-91.ppp.tiscali.fr 1113492126 J * grecea ~grecea@h-195-22-237-74.mdl.net 1113492126 J * BWare ~bware@212.26.196.195 1113492126 J * DuckMaster ~duckx@195.75.27.158 1113492126 J * berni ~berni@svr01.mucip.net 1113492126 J * wurd ~kvlt@modemcable143.235-201-24.mc.videotron.ca 1113492126 J * logger ~rs@vds.pas-mal.com 1113492126 J * cemil ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de 1113492126 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net 1113492126 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1113492126 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de 1113492126 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net 1113492126 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de 1113492126 J * johnny ~johnny@ip68-10-185-138.hr.hr.cox.net 1113492127 J * aba ~aba@sol.turmzimmer.net 1113492127 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@snowman.net 1113492127 J * ensc|w ~ensc@62.153.82.27 1113492127 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1113492127 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1113492127 J * cereal ~cereal@stargate-galaxy.net 1113492127 J * Zoiah Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net 1113492127 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124 1113492140 J * jrc ~jrc@0x535d932b.bynxx16.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk 1113492140 J * prae ~prae@134.106-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com 1113492140 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1113492140 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1113492140 J * albeiro albeiro@albeiro.usercloak.oftc.net 1113492140 J * sebd ~sebd@lesdeveloppementsdurables.org 1113492140 J * jd86 ~jim@ip68-9-97-23.ri.ri.cox.net 1113492140 J * ola_ ~ola@c-adt-5.ataco.se 1113492140 J * Doener doener@193.24.208.125 1113492140 J * matta ~matta@69.93.28.254 1113492140 J * mst ~matthewt@81.29.65.220 1113492269 M * SiD3WiNDR Bertl: yep, I fully agree. 1113492284 M * SiD3WiNDR Bertl: I do think if the "standard" tool does the job, it should be used all the time 1113492294 M * SiD3WiNDR if it does something wrong, rather fix that than just write your own 1113492312 M * SiD3WiNDR ohwell, I have a nice vserver to play with now, thanks ;) 1113492322 M * SiD3WiNDR with a nonlegacy config, yay ;) 1113492398 M * Bertl congrats! 1113492437 M * wurd Bertl is it safe to do: rm -rf /etc/vservers/* ? 1113492463 M * Bertl well, if you do not hang on to your configs, I guess yes ;) 1113492480 M * wurd which configs ? 1113492488 M * Bertl but I would restrict it to vservers you created ... 1113492516 M * Bertl defaults should be protected by a period 1113492517 M * wurd i didnt manage to create vservers yet, as you could see from the errormsgs i pasted you 1113492541 M * Bertl okay, so it should be safe ... 1113492552 M * wurd so, rm -rf /etc/vservers/v* ? 1113492606 M * wurd (in order to keep .defaults and .distributions) ? 1113492635 M * Bertl the .* files should not be affected by '*' 1113492644 M * wurd ok 1113492655 M * wurd didnt know that :) 1113492658 J * Jdogg Jdogg@c-24-1-174-133.hsd1.tx.comcast.net 1113492679 M * Bertl welcome Jdogg! 1113492703 M * Jdogg wee! 1113492707 M * SiD3WiNDR yea 1113492709 M * SiD3WiNDR that . is fishy 1113492722 M * SiD3WiNDR i've been beaten by a chown -R user.group .* a few times now 1113492734 M * SiD3WiNDR when it starts taking a long time, you realise it also did .. and recursed in there 1113492749 M * Bertl hehe ;) 1113492954 M * jrc .. atlast everything seems to work :) - vservers are cool, keep up the good work 1113493020 M * Bertl thanks, we will try hard! 1113493151 M * jrc Bertl: Well, don't forget to have break once in a while.. I've heard rumors that there is some sort of life which does not include computer... but this is just rumors, I suppose 1113493210 M * aba * cannot join #reallife - you're banned 1113493213 M * aba obviously not. 1113493232 M * jrc hehe 1113493306 M * wurd E: couldnt find package glibc 1113493313 M * wurd but i just did apt-get install glibc 1113493323 Q * jrc Quit: Thanks 1113493453 M * wurd (i get this error while trying to build the vserver (again)) 1113493823 Q * berni Remote host closed the connection 1113494379 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting 1113494602 M * Bertl wurd: okay, please add --debug to your command and upload the output somewhere (e.g. pastebin.com) 1113494618 M * Bertl (make sure to use LC_ALL=C, LANG=C) 1113494710 M * wurd ok, how do i use that again ? 1113494766 M * Bertl vserver --debug vserv2 build -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.6/16 -- -d fc3 1113494774 M * Bertl before do: 1113494789 M * Bertl export LC_ALL=C; export LANG=C 1113494796 M * wurd ok thanks 1113494803 M * Bertl (you can verify the settings with locale) 1113494836 M * Bertl you can capture all output to a file by adding 1113494845 M * Bertl >/tmp/build.log 2>&1 1113494871 M * wurd whats that for? -> 2>&1 ? 1113494890 M * Bertl to redirect stderr where stdout goes 1113494968 M * wurd oh, i see 1113494985 M * wurd would you happen to know also what this operator does?: &> 1113495348 M * wurd anyway, its not important ;) 1113495581 M * wurd http://www.pastebin.com/271222 1113495591 M * wurd wait no 1113495602 M * wurd dont go check this url. 1113495652 M * wurd http://www.pastebin.com/271225 1113495655 M * wurd this one 1113495781 J * berni ~berni@svr01.mucip.net 1113496971 M * Bertl wurd: fc3oh 1113496981 M * Bertl ? 1113497031 M * Bertl anyway, let's try again with: 1113497060 M * Bertl /usr/lib/util-vserver/vserver-build --debug -n vserv4 -m apt-rpm --hostname test --interface eth0:10.99.1.6/16 -- -d fc3 1113497311 M * Bertl the ml archives say: 1113497336 M * Bertl you should add an 'rpmpriorities' there also. Next util-vserver 1113497336 M * Bertl version will have apt support for fc3 also. 1113497357 M * Bertl (that was march 9th) 1113497438 M * Bertl wurd: anyway, please provide some system description and the error itself, and please send all this to the mailing list, I'm sure enrico will look into it ... 1113497451 M * Bertl leaving now ... back later ... 1113497463 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1113497763 J * palmi ~polm@host92-15.pool80182.interbusiness.it 1113497804 Q * palmi Quit: 1113498473 J * palmi ~polm@host92-15.pool80182.interbusiness.it 1113498617 Q * DuckMaster Remote host closed the connection 1113498886 J * DuckMaster ~Duck@dyn-83-157-199-17.ppp.tiscali.fr 1113499311 Q * DuckKing Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1113499529 M * kevinp Bertl_oO, I have updated the FSM article. Spelling, grammar, etc 1113500192 Q * palmi Quit: Verlassend 1113502514 M * kevinp Is this still the latest patch for 2.6.11.7? http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.11.7-vs1.9.5.x.diff.bz2 1113502519 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1113502530 M * Bertl evening folks! 1113502536 M * kevinp howdy! 1113502544 M * Bertl hey kevinp! thanks a lot! 1113502559 M * kevinp np :: 1113502561 M * Bertl there is an x5 (for testing) 1113502571 M * Bertl but the .x should be fine 1113502615 M * kevinp Just looking for the latest fixes 1113502639 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1113502655 M * Bertl very likely there will be a 2.0-pre1 today or tomorrow ... 1113502743 M * kevinp wow! - already? 1113502754 M * Doener sometimes you really scare me ;) 1113502768 M * albeiro wOw 1113502772 M * Bertl well, we have to start somewhere! and evening Doener! 1113502782 M * Bertl hey albeiro! 1113502792 M * albeiro hey Bertl ! :) 1113502800 M * albeiro Word Of Wserver ;pDis comming 1113502849 M * albeiro lags are everywhere... main switch in the building gone crazy. anybody here having good feeling about 3com ? ;p 1113502935 M * wurd Bertl sorry for earlier if i didnt answer, i was busy with something 1113502977 M * Bertl wurd: no problem ... 1113502979 M * wurd so, you dont know why vserver wont find 'glibc' even if i installed it (with no errors) with apt-get? 1113503031 M * Bertl no idea, it's probably somehow related to the repository or the package list 1113503054 M * Bertl please post a request to the mailing list, enrico will look at it ... 1113503056 M * Doener wurd: hm, got the error messages at hand? 1113503065 M * wurd yeah Doener , one sec 1113503157 M * wurd here http://www.pastebin.com/271283 1113503172 M * Bertl Doener: headache gone today? 1113503179 M * kevinp I'm apply x to 2.6.11.7 with my old .config (make oldconfig) 1113503201 M * kevinp and it's asking about BLK_DEV_VROOT, do I want it 1113503203 M * kevinp ? 1113503229 M * Doener Bertl: not completely, but it's much better... thanks for asking :) 1113503321 M * Doener kevinp: host system is fc3, too? 1113503323 M * kevinp Is it even related to vserver? 1113503330 M * kevinp no centos (RHEL) 1113503331 M * Doener s/kevinp/wurd/ 1113503335 M * Doener sorry 1113503338 M * kevinp np 1113503352 M * wurd yes fc3 1113503364 M * wurd well uh 1113503370 M * wurd what do you mean by 'host' ? 1113503399 M * wurd (sorry its because im french and i have some difficulties with english from time to time) 1113503416 M * wurd do you mean like 'server' ? 1113503439 M * Doener host = context 0, i.e. in most cases the physical box... 1113503488 M * wurd well what could the host be, in a case that it isnt 'the physical box' ? 1113503507 M * wurd (supposing its not the physical box, what could the host be) 1113503508 M * Doener f.e. when you run the vserver kernel in vmware or qemu or whatever ;) 1113503511 M * Bertl we also use host for the virtualized qemu 1113503545 M * Bertl real = physical, host = vserver patched kernel, guest = vserver 1113503555 J * nayco ~nayco@lns-vlq-47-nan-82-252-240-101.adsl.proxad.net 1113503555 M * wurd i dont know whats vmware nor qemu.. so i guess my 'host' is my 'physical box' which has fc3 1113503576 M * Bertl yep, so it seems ;) 1113503581 M * wurd ;) 1113503583 M * nayco 'llo !!! 1113503603 M * Bertl hey nayco! 1113503608 M * Bertl how is the debugging? 1113503611 M * Doener wurd: did you choose any repository in the sources.list for fc3? 1113503612 M * nayco everything fine ? 1113503643 M * nayco Bertl: Well, I managed to get the debug messages, 1113503653 M * Doener by default, all the repositories in the sources.list in the util-vserver configuration are commented out 1113503667 M * wurd that must be it, doener! 1113503671 M * Doener /etc/vservers/.distributions/fc3/apt/sources.list 1113503671 M * wurd let me check 1113503680 M * Doener that's the file you need 1113503692 M * nayco but I noticed the "net" messages are invading my screeen... I left them to 127. 1113503784 M * Bertl nayco: yeah, it might also be interesting to leave out certain bits .. often bit 0 is for real low level messages 1113503830 M * wurd Doener could you briefly explain to me what sources.list is for ? 1113503842 M * wurd its related to apt-get i think ? 1113503859 M * wurd (i dont know which line to comment out) 1113503862 M * nayco Bertl: Bit 0 ? That is, set the loggin level to 1 ? 1113503877 M * Bertl wurd, Doener: hmm, I always forget folks to ask about the repository list ... 1113503888 M * nayco I too has to set /proc/sys/vserver/debug_limit to 0, because it is _really_ to much. 1113503890 M * Doener yep, apt fetches packages from the repositories configured in the sources.list 1113503912 M * Bertl nayco: yeah, the limit is not of interest for you anyways 1113503928 M * Doener chosing any repository that contains the necessary base packages should be fine... i'll check what's in the original sources.list 1113503936 M * wurd well everything is commented in sources.list , and i have used apt-get to download stuff (it worked) ... 1113503963 M * wurd how can that be? 1113503977 M * Bertl because your host doesn't use the lists specified for the vservers 1113503979 M * Doener wurd: it probably used your host's sources.list then 1113504014 M * wurd okay, so vserver uses apt-get for 'special operations', and for those, it needs a 'special sources list file' ? 1113504019 M * Doener un-commenting all the entries in the supplied sources.list should be fine, but un-commenting only the first should do as well and is probably faster/better 1113504036 M * wurd ok i'll try that Doener , thanks 1113504036 M * Bertl wurd: consider a host system which doesn't use apt-get at all ;) 1113504067 M * Doener wurd: fc1/2/3, debian, etc. use different repositories, so you need different sources.list files 1113504108 M * wurd W: Release files for some repositories could not be retrieved or authenticated. Such repositories are being ignored. 1113504108 M * wurd W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems 1113504108 M * wurd E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. 1113504116 M * nayco Bertl: Ok, good new ;-). Anyway, for now, I get loads of messages but none I can exploit, because of my poor knowledge... I mean, I've done the operations that fail with samba (Remote installing printer driver), and I get a bunch of messages, but it is hard to understand. I can't even see the difference between errors and info (Although "tail -f" separates them, but without that, I couldn't make the difference) 1113504128 M * wurd is this good or bad? ;) 1113504133 M * Doener wurd: you uncommented all entries i guess? 1113504142 M * wurd no Doener only the 1st one 1113504148 J * kjo nobody@pD9E2D2DF.dip.t-dialin.net 1113504157 M * Bertl welcome kjo! 1113504181 M * Doener hm, then that one is not reachable i'd say... try the second one ;) 1113504191 M * Bertl nayco: let's focus on the issues for a moment, and think about what might be interesting to you ... 1113504216 M * wurd do i comment the 1st one ? 1113504221 M * wurd or leave it uncommented 1113504279 M * Bertl nayco: you say you can 'communicate' quite fine, right? 1113504299 M * Doener doesn't matter later on, for testing you should comment it, so that you can see whether the second one also fails 1113504345 M * Doener later, it'll just produce that error message again, as long as it's not reachable and will be used additionally to the second one if it is reachable... 1113504516 M * wurd third one seems to work .. 1113504523 M * wurd its downloading stuff right now 1113504536 M * wurd E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. damn ! 1113504545 M * wurd is this bad? 1113504545 M * nayco Bertl: Yes. Well, in fact, the Samba server, for a common use, works fine. That is, the file sharing acts as wanted, the print sharing.... er... I haven't really tried (*make a mental note ot try it tomorrow, with client side drivers*), but all printers shares show up, properties, host allow... The drivers enven get copied to the PRINT$ share !!!! So what ? This message is strange, it seems that rpc or something is involved. ( 1113504545 M * nayco The message is "cannot save configuration", when validating the printer's properties box, _after_ having successfully added the drivers.) But when displaying this box again, the drivers have "disappeared". 1113504567 M * Doener wurd: do you have more than one repository uncommented? 1113504582 M * wurd oh, yes actually i do (didnt think i did) 1113504618 M * Bertl nayco: okay, and you have an equivalent setup on a real host, which works quite fine there 1113504620 M * wurd can i retry safely with only the 3rd one uncommented? 1113504643 M * Bertl nayco: identical config, except for ips, identical file permissions and such? 1113504649 M * Doener wurd: sure 1113504700 M * nayco Bertl: Yes ! Oh, I forgot: To test kernel debug messages, I used an other host, recompiled the kernel, and moved my print vserver here. Same distro, ok, but same error. 1113504760 M * Bertl yeah, but you tested it on a non vserver guest/kernel, right? 1113504777 M * nayco And I have other hosts running samba with the same distro, not exactly the same setup but nearly (Maybe the hostname changes ;-))), and no error. That's why I suspect something related to capabilities/lack of 127.0.0.1, etc... 1113504845 M * Bertl hmm, you should really use the very same config file and better check that all related files and dirs have proper permissions and special users exist 1113504874 M * Bertl samba is such a big beast with so many parts you have to be really careful ... 1113504895 M * nayco Well, permissions are the same, 1113504919 M * nayco users too (Winbind gets them from the windows domain) 1113504929 M * wurd Doener this time i uncommented the 3rd line and the build went a more far than it has before 1113504932 M * nayco host allow the same, auth server too 1113504940 M * wurd but still it terminated with an error : 1113504943 M * Bertl nayco: for example, I could easily imagine a directory being non existant or some printer user id not existing or with insufficient permissions on the samba vserver --- 1113504995 M * wurd Doener http://www.pastebin.com/271299 1113504999 M * nayco Bertl: Well, the directories are created by the installer, 1113505010 M * Doener wurd: ah... sec... 1113505017 M * Doener http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg09376.html 1113505018 M * nayco Bertl: er... For the user ID, What do you mean ? 1113505029 M * Doener wurd: that's actually a known bug this time ;) 1113505066 M * nayco Bertl: These print servers are used now by only one "user" (Administrator) 1113505073 M * Doener (read the follow-up mail for a solution, copied the wrong url, sorry) 1113505085 M * Bertl nayco: not on the clients, on the samba server 1113505087 M * wurd ok 1113505090 M * nayco Bertl: So the permissions are set accordingly... 1113505120 M * Bertl nayco: I don't think you linux installation knows anything about Administrator ;) 1113505149 M * nayco Bertl: Oh sh*** !!! Do I have to create a "root" user in the vserver ??? (shame, shame, shame, quick, dig a hole !) 1113505149 M * Doener that's the user clicking all the links in those nice emails ;) 1113505155 M * Bertl nayco: can you provide me access to this vserver? 1113505177 M * nayco Bertl: No, sorry, it is in a private network, not routed... 1113505190 M * nayco But, I could try and recreate it here. 1113505194 M * nayco (home) 1113505225 M * Bertl I would like to look through the config and logs (samba) 1113505298 M * Bertl Doener: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-1.9.6/delta-vshelper-clean02.diff 1113505455 M * nayco Bertl: Ok. I greped through the logs, with different levels, and the problem is that nothing appeared related to permissions or a particular error (at the moment of the error, that is). I got used with samba to be more verbose in case of wrong permissions, or communication errors... But what about the fact that "root" doesn't really exist in the vserver ? By the way, thanks to Winbind, the system know who is "administrator", i 1113505455 M * nayco t is bound to "root". So If root doesn't exists... Well dunno. By the way, I can setup a quick Cups+Samba Vserver here, with access to you. This is public ADSL IP... 1113505514 M * Bertl okay, let's try that, and make sure that it exposes the very same error ... 1113505548 M * Bertl btw, every vserver should have a root account ;) 1113505695 M * nayco Well, I think it is created by urpmi, but I dunno if it is activated or what... Thats stupid from me: I never needed this root account on the vservers, so I nerver cared. 1113505786 M * nayco Bertl: Ok, let me reboot and setup the vserver.... Oh, there is a problem: Do you expect to log into or connect to the vserver directly ? I've only one IP... 1113505816 M * Bertl well, setup sshd on a different port 1113505819 M * Doener nayco: make the vserver's ssh listen on another port 1113505836 M * Bertl Doener: gimme five ;) 1113505852 M * Doener yeeha ;) 1113505920 M * nayco Bertl: Mmmmm.... You mean, on the same IP: --interface eth0=my_host_ip ? 1113505928 M * nayco (no alias) 1113505934 M * Bertl without the eth0 1113505946 M * Bertl either that or just configure it for your local network (to test) 1113505948 M * nayco and without the "=" ;-) ? 1113505961 M * wurd Doener , this ? 1113505962 M * wurd A workaround could be to set 1113505962 M * wurd 'redhat_style' during the installation of the tools: 1113505964 M * wurd | $ make install redhat_style='rh9 fc1 fc2 fc3' ... 1113505983 M * Bertl nayco: and add an SNAT + port forward for the ssh 1113506010 M * Doener either that, or if you already installed the tools (which i expect ;) use the alternative (create those symlinks) 1113506021 M * Bertl nayco: if you have no idea what I'm talking about, the easier way would be the trampoline.sh 1113506028 M * nayco Oh, another thing: I havent got any recent windows machine here... Got an old W98, and dunno if that'll do it. 1113506046 M * wurd ok 1113506053 M * Bertl nayco: as I said, first step, make it fail ;) 1113506064 M * nayco ;-) 1113506069 M * wurd which tools is that though ? 1113506118 M * nayco Bertl: trampoline.sh doesn't load... Wrong url ? 1113506153 M * Doener util-vserver (i guess 0.30.205 in that case, but i also guess that this applied to the earlier versions) 1113506313 M * wurd ok yeah i did install utilvserver 205 1113506447 M * Bertl nayco: which one? 1113506463 M * nayco Well, the url you pasted here doesn't work. 1113506497 A * Bertl pasted an url? 1113506570 M * nayco Bertl: " if you have no idea what I'm talking about, the easier way would be the trampoline.sh" <= trampoline.sh appears as an url :? ! 1113506591 M * Bertl hmm, but just in your client, I'd say ;) 1113506607 M * Bertl but let me get you the url ;) 1113506617 Q * johnny Read error: Connection reset by peer 1113506619 M * nayco :P 1113506642 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/trampoline.sh 1113506693 M * Bertl http://www.mail-archive.com/vserver@list.linux-vserver.org/msg04265.html 1113506831 M * nayco ok, got that. So, I need to reboot... see you in a few coffees ;-) 1113506862 M * nayco brb 1113506864 P * nayco Gruik ! 1113506864 M * Doener you should prefer jiffies, they're a lot healthier ;) 1113506873 M * Doener 2slow... 1113506948 J * alex234 new@pD9E1F744.dip.t-dialin.net 1113506954 M * Bertl welcome alex234! 1113507146 J * peter555 new@pD9E1F744.dip.t-dialin.net 1113507159 P * peter555 1113507180 M * Bertl so alex is actually peter or the other way round? 1113507208 J * nayco ~nayco@lns-vlq-47-nan-82-252-240-101.adsl.proxad.net 1113507353 M * Bertl wb nayco! 1113507429 M * wurd Fetched 52.1MB in 4m44s (183kB/s) 1113507429 M * wurd Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/3/i386/RPMS.os/usbutils-0.11-6.1.i386.rpm Could not connect data socket, connection timed out 1113507429 M * wurd Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/3/i386/RPMS.updates/hotplug-2004_04_01-8.1.i386.rpm Server closed the connection 1113507441 M * wurd E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? 1113507463 Q * alex234 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1113507477 M * Doener wurd: well, that looks like a connection problem... 1113507489 M * wurd weird 1113507509 M * Doener maybe your connection got interrupted, or the remote host decided to terminate it 1113507512 M * wurd i highly doubt the problem comes from my side 1113507606 M * Bertl maybe the 'repository' is not up to date? 1113507631 A * Bertl doesn't know how the apt-rpm repositories work .. so just an idea 1113507636 M * Doener Bertl: hm, not a reason for a connection timeout, is it? 1113507690 M * Bertl hmm, well, tools report all kind of weird stuff, no? just thinking of v_context: cannot enter: file not found ... 1113507712 M * Doener heh :) but the file is there, just fetched it... 1113507993 M * nayco Bertl: http://pastebin.com/271321 => ?? 1113508121 M * Bertl vserver vserver1 build ... 1113508247 M * nayco ohhh, dear, i'm tired :-|. Ok, here we go... 1113508510 M * nayco Bertl: which local do you need ? 1113508552 M * Bertl local? 1113508564 M * Doener locale i guess ;) 1113508569 M * nayco yep :d ! 1113508583 M * Bertl and I was hoping for some assistance ;) 1113508597 M * Bertl C, POSIX or en_EN ;) 1113508637 M * nayco ok. Is 'C' the default in Mandrake (iva) ? 1113508659 M * nayco when no locale is installed, I mean 1113508667 M * Bertl yes, I guess os 1113508766 J * peter555 new@pD9E1F744.dip.t-dialin.net 1113508961 P * peter555 1113509093 M * Bertl a strange client ... 1113509100 M * Doener indeed 1113509319 M * Bertl http://www.osdl.org/plm-cgi/plm?module=patch_info&patch_id=4373 1113509402 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.11.7-vs2.0-pre1.diff 1113509426 T * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.5, 2.0-pre1, ng9.4 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1113509656 M * nayco Oh, oh...: 1113509658 M * nayco vserver vserver1 start 1113509658 M * nayco save_ctxinfo: open("/var/lib/run/vservers/vserver1"): No such file or directory 1113509672 M * nayco I think I got the wrong vserver tools ;) 1113509816 Q * albeiro Read error: Connection reset by peer 1113509817 M * nayco Bertl: Which are the best tools for 2.6.9-vs1.9.3 ?? 1113509822 J * albeiro albeiro@albeiro.usercloak.oftc.net 1113509854 M * Doener 0.30.205 should be the best for any 1.9.x... but why such an old kernel? 1113509911 M * nayco because that the kernel/patch that was up to date back when I installed my machine... And the one I use at work too. 1113509922 M * nayco Ok, 'ill try these one 1113509934 M * Doener ok... 1113510057 M * nayco Oh, dear, still the same message... :( 1113510072 M * Doener does /var/lib/run/vservers exist? 1113510107 M * nayco I've done something wrong. I had the same error in my first vservers tests but I cannot remember... Doener : I'm checking 1113510123 M * nayco ll /var/lib/run/ 1113510124 M * nayco total 0 1113510124 M * nayco drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 jan 9 11:36 vshelper/ 1113510157 M * Doener then just create that directory... we can't solve all problems at once ;) 1113510323 M * nayco md /var/lib/run/vservers/ worked. I had too to create '/etc/vservers/vserver1/interfaces/0/dev' and echo eth0 in it... And the vserver started with a few errors, but that'll do it ;-) 1113510376 M * nayco # ps xa 1113510376 M * nayco Error: /proc must be mounted 1113510376 M * nayco To mount /proc at boot you need an /etc/fstab line like: 1113510376 M * nayco /proc /proc proc defaults 1113510376 M * nayco In the meantime, mount /proc /proc -t proc 1113510385 M * Doener http://linux-vserver.org/Proc-Security 1113510397 M * nayco Well, I've definitely done something wrong.... 1113510401 M * Doener or without explanations: run vprocunhide :) 1113510441 J * itamarjp lualele@200-225-242-052-dynamic.idial.com.br 1113510450 M * nayco oooohhhh dear. I forgot that one, it used to be started at boot, but i finally disabled it. The worst thing in IT is to get used to automatic things :P 1113510470 M * nayco cool 1113510511 M * Doener hm, speaking italian? http://homes.stat.unipd.it/mmzz/Papers/NewVserver/samba3.html ;) 1113510757 M * itamarjp hellow 1113510761 M * itamarjp hi 1113510764 M * Bertl hello itamarjp! 1113510786 M * itamarjp Hi Bert1 1113510861 M * itamarjp Vserver uses disk images like user-mode-linux ? 1113510945 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg 1113510949 M * Nik hi all 1113510957 M * itamarjp hi Nik 1113511008 M * Bertl itamarjp: no, it doesn't! 1113511074 M * itamarjp how is more fast vserver, uml or xen ? 1113511126 J * brc bruce@201008060233.user.veloxzone.com.br 1113511166 M * Bertl with one 'guest' I would sort them like this: 1113511195 M * Bertl xen = vserver, uml 1113511208 M * Bertl with ten 'guest' like this: 1113511213 M * Bertl vserver, xen, uml 1113511258 M * itamarjp humm 1113511269 M * itamarjp I am using uml with 10 guest machines. 1113511342 M * itamarjp there are a way to move from uml to xen or vserver ? 1113511440 M * itamarjp Can you help-me with vserver Bert1? 1113511508 M * itamarjp Vserver have CPU Time Limit ? 1113511516 M * Bertl ad help: probably ... 1113511528 M * Bertl ad CPU Limit, recent patches yes 1113511533 M * itamarjp for limit cpu usage by guest machine ? 1113511550 M * Bertl yep 1113511566 M * itamarjp this is good for me..... 1113511566 M * Bertl maybe you should have a look at the linux-vserver paper 1113511588 M * itamarjp I have a uml provider with uml. 1113511617 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper 1113511665 M * kevinp Bertl: Just compiled the 1.9.5.x patch to the 2.6.11.7 kernel and things look better starting and stopping vservers 1113511681 M * nayco Bertl: I think i'm ready.... 1113511689 M * Bertl kevinp: hmm, could you test the pre release too? 1113511694 M * kevinp Sure 1113511797 M * kevinp Before I do though, I created a centos vserver with the initstyle of sysv and it started fine, but ifconfig reported no IP address 1113511821 M * Bertl that's normal, use ip (from iproute2) or use aliases 1113511824 M * Doener kevinp: "ip a" will report them, for ifconfig you need to name the interface address 1113511829 M * kevinp I check the inteface IP file and it was there. Now on the shutdown it is hanging on shutting down the loopback interface 1113511841 M * Doener Bertl: gimme five! ;) 1113511847 M * kevinp It shows correctly on the same install with initstyle plain 1113511857 M * Bertl Doener: yeah! ;) 1113511905 M * kevinp I'm pretty sure that was the only difference in the setup, so that is tied specifically to sysv? 1113511917 M * kevinp What about on the hang on shutdown? 1113511929 M * Bertl hang means? 1113511936 M * kevinp Is it trying to shutdown the host's lo? 1113511949 M * itamarjp Bert1 I will install Vserver on my box. 1113511962 M * Bertl kevinp: well, that's a bad configuration inside the guest 1113511973 M * Bertl it isn't supposed to do that (scripts should be disabled) 1113511991 M * Bertl but it is not a real problem, as it will not be able to do so 1113511993 M * kevinp The process is sitting at Shutting down loopback interface ...., I can Cntrl-C out of it, but it then shows that it is still running 1113512023 M * kevinp So remove stuff from /etc/rc0.d? 1113512024 M * Bertl you can probably avoid that by cleaning up the runlevel scripts not to do hardware specific stuff 1113512039 M * daniel_hozac rm -f /etc/rc[06].d/S01* 1113512053 M * Bertl rtc, random, network isn't needed 1113512113 M * kevinp Another distro specific problem I'm guessing? 1113512128 M * Bertl well, no, more a general distro specific problem ;) 1113512156 Q * mst Read error: Operation timed out 1113512157 J * mst ~matthewt@81.29.65.220 1113512165 M * kevinp :) looks like the only S01 is the halt? 1113512177 M * daniel_hozac reboot in 6 ;) 1113512215 M * kevinp right, but it's really calling init.d/halt 1113512225 M * daniel_hozac yep. 1113512302 M * kevinp I didn't see any rtc or random, just a K90network 1113512358 M * daniel_hozac that shouldn't be called unless it's started when the vserver starts. 1113512365 M * daniel_hozac chkconfig network off 1113512527 M * kevinp looks like gpm is not needed, what about HAL daemon? 1113512553 M * daniel_hozac Hardware Abstraction Layer... no ;) 1113512604 M * kevinp http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/296 1113512614 M * kevinp notice all the failures 1113512674 M * kevinp So are all of these failing on my initstyle plain vserver as well but I don't see the errors? 1113512689 M * daniel_hozac smartd is obviously not needed. 1113512716 M * daniel_hozac the NFS services could probably be disabled, unless you use NFS. 1113512721 M * daniel_hozac as well as portmap. 1113512723 M * Bertl kevinp: very likely ... 1113512764 Q * Nik Read error: Operation timed out 1113512901 M * kevinp that just leaves the kernel logger that fails.... 1113512923 M * daniel_hozac comment it out from /etc/init.d/syslog 1113513060 M * kevinp Doesn't need to be started either? 1113513108 Q * nayco Read error: Operation timed out 1113513158 M * Bertl hmm, kernel logger should not fail with recent kernel 1113513178 M * Bertl maybe the vprocunhide needs some adjustment there ;) 1113513213 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1113513277 J * nayco ~nayco@lns-vlq-47-nan-82-252-240-101.adsl.proxad.net 1113513441 M * kevinp Try 2.0pre for now then and see if works there? 1113513456 M * nayco Bertl: ? 1113513463 M * Bertl kevinp: yeah, should do the trick 1113513477 M * nayco sorry, I got disconnected. 1113513606 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg 1113513703 M * kevinp daniel_hozac what distro do you use? 1113513787 M * daniel_hozac kevinp: FC2 and 3. 1113513811 M * kevinp Inside a vserver, my yum fails because $releasever is 'Null' 1113513848 M * daniel_hozac you need to install centos-release. (or whatever that package is called in centos) 1113513849 M * kevinp it says that it relies on distroverpkg do you know what that is? 1113513909 M * kevinp Yum works fine on my host and I am trying to compare it with the guest that is failing 1113513950 M * kevinp "This will be replaced with the value of the version of the package listed in distroverpkg. This defaults to the version of ‘redhat-release’ package." 1113513975 M * kevinp I completely missed your response! :) 1113514046 J * ComplexHo ~ComlexHo@funk.gotadsl.co.uk 1113514059 M * Bertl evening ComplexHo! 1113514066 M * ComplexHo Hi Bertl :) 1113514077 M * Bertl I'm off for now, and maybe for tonight ... we'll see 1113514084 M * Bertl have a good one everyone, cya! 1113514090 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1113514106 M * ComplexHo Bertl may I ask you a quick question 1113514127 M * Doener ComplexHo: you can ask the rest of us ;) 1113514133 M * ComplexHo sure no probs :) 1113514140 M * ComplexHo night Bertl :) 1113514165 M * ComplexHo I was going to take a look at the NGNET stuff tonight now that I am pretty comfortable with the 1.9.x stuff... 1113514184 M * ComplexHo I am most interested in the virtual lo device 1113514253 M * nayco 'night, all ! 1113514254 M * Doener well, it is a this _or_ that choice AFAIK. with ngnet, chbind is basically gone... 1113514263 M * ComplexHo currently running linux-2.6.11-vs1.9.5 - is there a compatible patch for this, or what is the best kernel/vserver combination to test it with 1113514270 M * nayco Oh, I forgot: Is enrico around here ? 1113514285 M * Doener nayco: ensc|w is enrico 1113514308 M * nayco Doener: so, the "|w" means something ? 1113514313 M * ComplexHo so, do thigs work very differently with NGNET then? Do the utils still work? 1113514325 M * Doener nayco: i don't know 1113514341 M * nayco ok. Thanks, 'night :)) 1113514356 P * nayco Gruik ! 1113514368 M * Doener ComplexHo: they need to be enhanced a little... IIRC there's a howto in the wiki, probably even a patch... 1113514402 M * ComplexHo ok I'll start my journey there then 8P 1113514440 M * Doener in 10-20 minutes i'll have some more time for you ;) 1113514495 M * ComplexHo no probs just think I needed pointing in the right direction ;) 1113515251 Q * Nik Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1113515994 M * kevinp This wierd, it looks like all of the proper rpms were installed when I created the vserver, but rpm -qa does not work - nothing is displayed 1113516022 M * kevinp And it created a /.rpmdb instead of /var/lib/rpm inside the vserver 1113516106 M * Doener IIRC util-vserver uses a rpmdb outside the vserver, this is needed for vrpm/vapt-get to work (don't ask for the reasons, i don' know them ;) 1113516177 M * kevinp Yeah, I have one in the host as well... strange 1113516202 M * kevinp but on the host the /var/lib/rpm is also there and properly populated 1113516210 M * Doener the util-vserver .rpmdb should be in /vservers/.something IIRC 1113516279 M * kevinp I found it in /vservers/.pkg/basic-centos4/rpm/state 1113516317 M * kevinp So this would be used to update the guest from the host side? 1113516345 M * kevinp I was going to update from within the guest 1113516359 M * Doener yep... and AFAIK you have to copy/move this to the vserver to do that stuff from within the vserver 1113516369 M * kevinp ahh! 1113516374 M * Doener but it's getting vague now, never used a rpm based vserver 1113516383 M * kevinp ok, thanks! 1113516434 M * kevinp but into the vserver into /.rpmdb or /var/lib/rpm? 1113516474 M * kevinp nevermind they are a link to each other 1113516479 M * Doener heh :) 1113516480 M * kevinp it's working!!! 1113516486 M * Doener great! 1113516611 M * kevinp Okay, so on the yum update from within the guest: http://www.pastebin.com/271384 1113516630 M * kevinp Everything appears to work, but I get one weird error on up2date 1113516717 M * Doener hm, could you just do that again? 1113516741 M * Doener i'm seeing some people advising to just try again (via google for cpio: lsetfilecon) 1113516762 M * Doener not exactly the same error message though... but it can't hurt to just try ;) 1113516792 M * kevinp http://www.pastebin.com/271386 1113516834 M * Doener ok, so that doesn't work... 1113516967 M * daniel_hozac lsetfilecon sounds like SELinux stuff. 1113516968 M * kevinp it's got to be tied to the vserver, since it installed fine on the host 1113516982 M * kevinp oh, you know what? 1113516982 M * Doener daniel_hozac: hm, right 1113517001 M * kevinp When you install it this way it automatically turned selinux on 1113517010 A * kevinp checking 1113517036 Q * kjo Quit: Verlassend 1113517115 M * kevinp ok, it was on, so I have set the config to disabled 1113517207 M * kevinp restarted the vserver (from the host) and tried again with the same error 1113517346 M * daniel_hozac you'll probably need to completely disable SELinux on the host. 1113517554 M * kevinp hmm, it's always been disabled there 1113517596 Q * pusling Read error: Connection reset by peer 1113517694 M * kevinp the funny this I could care less about up2date since I don't use it. I just don't want this to happen in the future on some needed package 1113517739 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124 1113517860 M * kevinp I just installed httpd through yum and it appeared to work okay. Maybe it's just up2date 1113517960 M * kevinp but not so lucky on mysql: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/298 1113518631 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-3-32.dclient.hispeed.ch 1113518745 Q * yarihm Quit: 1113519497 M * kevinp If I try to update the rpm manually with more debugging I get: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/298 1113519588 M * kevinp In case the rpm was corrupt, I also deleted it and redownloaded it 1113520429 Q * pusling Quit: leaving 1113520746 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124 1113521017 Q * pusling Read error: Connection reset by peer 1113521126 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124 1113521224 Q * pusling Read error: Connection reset by peer 1113521975 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg 1113522456 Q * Nik Ping timeout: 480 seconds