1112918464 N * kevinp kevinp|gone 1112918488 M * Bertl complexho: okay, so we are heading somewhere I guess, and probably a direction you you are interested too, right? 1112918506 M * Bertl -you+in 1112918519 M * complexho yeah definitely like the idea of a template server - it fits very well with what I am trying to achieve 1112918549 M * complexho ok let me talk with the guys and get thumbs up all round and I'll come back to you with what I can offer 1112918581 M * Bertl k, keep me up to date! and thanks in advance! 1112918632 M * complexho no probs and btw if you're interested in the kit I have a wiki up @ http://www.serverguru.co.uk/doku.php?id=the_core with growing info and a few pics :) 1112919024 M * Bertl nice 'porn' there ;) 1112919031 M * complexho lol 1112919048 M * complexho well that's what I call it :) 1112919137 M * complexho btw it's looking very promising on the GFS front, I have high hopes for a clusterwide /clusterfs/[vserver|etc|util] 1112919171 Q * monrad Remote host closed the connection 1112919177 M * complexho not quite there yet because I've been doing some benchmarking and not had chance to go back to it 1112919207 M * Doener am i still here? 1112919226 M * Bertl yup! 1112919246 M * Doener ok, thanks... my wlan connection just sucks today... 1112919250 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1112919652 M * complexho Bertl: Got a simple benchmark on the raw EXT performance on the SAN would you like me to paste a few lines? 1112919664 M * Bertl sure 1112919675 M * complexho [root@app1 clusterfs]# time dd bs=1024 count=1000000 if=/dev/zero of=/clusterfs/bigfile.dat2 1112919675 M * complexho 1000000+0 records in 1112919675 M * complexho 1000000+0 records out 1112919675 M * complexho real 0m8.744s 1112919677 M * complexho user 0m0.326s 1112919678 M * complexho sys 0m7.000s 1112919680 M * complexho [root@app1 clusterfs]# time dd bs=1024 count=1000000 if=/clusterfs/bigfile.dat2 of=/dev/null 1112919682 M * complexho 1000000+0 records in 1112919686 M * complexho 1000000+0 records out 1112919692 M * complexho real 0m2.004s 1112919694 M * complexho user 0m0.182s 1112919696 M * complexho sys 0m1.272s 1112919726 M * Bertl hmm, well, that's not really a good benchmark ;) 1112919745 M * Bertl you are basically benchmarking the caches ;) 1112919746 M * complexho well I know that but haven't got round to running Bonnie++ yet 1112919770 M * complexho :) I shall do it now 1112920790 M * complexho ok here you go 1112920803 M * complexho Version 1.03 ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- 1112920803 M * complexho -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- 1112920803 M * complexho Machine Size K/sec P K/sec P K/sec P K/sec P K/sec P /sec P 1112920803 M * complexho app1.core.local 4G 31943 79 39039 15 17348 4 29770 61 74770 6 503.5 0 1112920803 M * complexho ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create-------- 1112920805 M * complexho -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- 1112920806 M * complexho files /sec P /sec P /sec P /sec P /sec P /sec P 1112920808 M * complexho 16 2929 99 +++++ +++ +++++ +++ 2963 99 +++++ +++ 9229 100 1112920835 M * complexho that is 5 disks plus spare, RAID 5 across 2 x channels 1112920863 M * Bertl hmm, looks more like it ... 1112920883 M * complexho currently default settings on raid, no optimisation yet 1112921017 M * complexho That is a 32bit QLogic controller currently running test on the 64-bit controllers :) 1112921028 M * Doener Bertl: {020} vserver child reaper (initpid) 1112921033 M * Doener what's the intention behind that? 1112921072 M * Bertl if you search the code for 'child reaper' 1112921084 M * Doener that's init's task struct 1112921096 M * Bertl you should find a FIXME, which implies that virtual init 1112921107 M * Doener i know, but why do we need to have the virtual init do that? 1112921129 M * Bertl no, the virtual init does that, but who does it, once the virtual init is gone? 1112921154 M * Bertl it's basically a state which cannot be assumed by a 'normal' system 1112921163 M * Bertl (at this point you would look at a panic ;) 1112921241 M * Doener then i guess the host's init does the job... f.e. with sysv initstyle we don't even have a virtual init 1112921244 M * ciphernaut how do I set a hard cpu linit on a vserver? 1112921256 M * ciphernaut does this require extra patches? 1112921266 M * Doener enable CONFIG_VSERVER_HARDCPU 1112921274 M * Bertl no, just the use of vsched, the token bucket and a configured hard scheduler 1112921278 M * Doener and adjust the settings for the vserver using vsched 1112921302 M * Doener those values can also be stored in the vserver configuration, take a look at the flower page for details 1112921329 M * ciphernaut alright cheers 1112921635 M * Bertl Doener: okay, updated LSM 1112922107 M * Doener hm, maybe you could add the point that there are reasons to use uml, xen, vmware, qemu whatever, but that they better fit other purposes... seems a little like 'the others only have downsides' atm 1112922125 M * Doener "IMHO" that is of course 1112922176 M * Doener just add little note, to clarify that you're not saying that they are kind of obsoleted by linux-vserver or so... 1112922187 M * Doener s/add/a/ 1112922286 M * Doener you often said that those other virtualization/emulation things are orthogonal to linux-vserver... i kind of miss that in the article... 1112922295 A * Doener .oO( i'm repeating myself... ) 1112922717 M * Bertl hmm, my connection is not the best today either it seems ;) 1112922737 M * Bertl yeah, sure, I'm going to get there .. eventually ;) 1112922836 M * Bertl I have to counter weight the other articles a little ... 1112922850 M * Bertl going like this: "Xen: the best in virtualization, for free ..." 1112923158 M * Bertl well, enough writing for now ... nevertheless has to be done till sunday ... 1112923176 M * Bertl Doener: still here? 1112923218 M * Doener hm, to me that generalization of virtualization is a clear minus in that sentence... of cousr the normal reader won't be able to differentiate between the different kinds of virtualization. you tell some stuff about the different approaches, but don't tell specifically where linux-vserver fits in and what's the area of use that's targeted by linux-vserver. defining the actual target audience early helps a lot i'd say... 1112923242 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1112923274 M * Doener yep, just writing loooong stuff ;) 1112923284 M * Bertl Doener: let me forward you something ... 1112923291 M * Doener ok... 1112923479 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1112923487 M * Doener welcome micah 1112923496 M * complexho Doener: I agree - if the real purpose of the site is a resource for developers and sysadmins then it should probably not generalise or dumb down anything. What he/she wants to know is what it is/how it works in as few clicks as possible. Maybe a tongue in cheek 'Project Marketing' page might be more appropriate :) 1112923553 M * Doener complexho: that's going to be an article for some magazine or so... gotta ask Bertl for details 1112923555 M * complexho 'the best in $thing for free' really sucks 1112923573 M * complexho oh well that's a different matter :) 1112923582 M * Bertl complexho: what's your email? 1112923598 M * complexho mark@mailforme.co.uk 1112923668 M * Bertl this is supposed to become the third article in the Free Software Magazine ... 1112923715 M * Bertl (www.freesoftwaremagazine.com) 1112923754 M * Bertl I assume everybody got email ;) 1112923811 M * complexho not got it yet... 1112923840 M * micah Bertl: I've been trying to get a debugging (debian 2.6.8-15) kernel installed with the vserver patches, but i'm having problems 1112923853 M * Bertl what kind of issues? 1112923865 M * micah Bertl: I am not sure if it is initrd related, but on boot I get the error: RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0 1112923875 M * micah RAMDISK: image too big! (29496/8192 blocks) 1112923896 M * micah then it fails to understand something required to get my filesystem recognized/mounted 1112923900 M * Bertl hmm, either set the ramdisk size on the command line or within the kernel 1112923903 M * micah probably because those modules are in the initrd 1112923944 M * Bertl Documentation/ramdisk.txt 1112923977 M * Doener Bertl: hmm... you attached the articles as text/plain ;) 1112923999 M * Bertl ah, good hint, so my mime settings are broken there ... tx 1112924084 M * ciphernaut I just found Torsten mini faq for cpu hard limits 1112924085 M * micah maybe the kernel boot parameter ramdisk_size= 1112924106 M * micah it says the default is 4096, but the error seems to indicate that it is 8192 1112924176 M * Doener micah: hmm... IIRC make-kpkg has an option for cramfs initrds... no idea if that's a good hint at all though... never used an initrd with a self-built kernel 1112924185 M * ciphernaut http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg08477.html 1112924203 M * ciphernaut is the file sched_hard still relevant? 1112924204 M * micah Doener: i should just make the initrd go away, I hate those things :) 1112924253 M * Bertl micah: yeah, I'm pretty happy without it ;) 1112924274 M * Bertl ciphernaut: you mean the flag? yes it is up to date ... 1112924293 M * micah that means I would have to recompile, yet again and try to figure out which modules should be compiled in so I can actually boot 1112924299 M * Bertl ciphernaut: you ahve the choice between none, sched_prio, sched_hard and both 1112924468 M * Bertl complexho: got your copy by now? 1112924535 M * complexho Bertl: Can u resend pls, you got caught in the spam bucket (must be all that marketing speak ;) I have whitelisted you 1112924550 M * Bertl okay, sec ... 1112924551 M * complexho I have my setting pretty low... 1112924575 M * Bertl me too, me too ;) 1112924700 M * complexho in fact very soon I am planning to go whitelist only via an addressbook connector 1112924719 M * complexho lets see em get me then :) 1112924799 M * Bertl sent, now hopefully with the right mime types ... 1112924803 M * complexho cool got it :) 1112924860 M * Bertl micah: I'm going to look into the remaining debian issues right now ... 1112924923 M * ciphernaut thanks Bertl and Doener 1112924936 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1112924960 M * Doener second that 1112925182 M * complexho It's really funny to read these sort of articles because we were writing the same stuff down back in 1999 (for freeVSD) thinking that within 6-12 months everyone would realise how good this genre of virtualisation is for web hosting. 6 years on and the articles are still coming and It amazes me how 'the mainstream' takes so long to recognise what seems so perfectly natural to the initiated 1112925239 M * Bertl well, honestly I would not write this stuff when I had not been asked to do so ;) 1112925300 M * complexho but I think the article is clear enough if the intention is to evangelise - sometimes you have to keep going back to square 1 until everyone understands what you are talking about 1112925316 M * complexho and for that it is good 1112925336 M * Bertl nevertheless, feel free to add/comment to the current version 1112925370 M * complexho well if it were me I would replace it with a tabbed-list of features and capabilities ;) 1112925376 M * complexho lol 1112925385 M * complexho ok not quite finished reading through yet 1112925425 M * Bertl something like: http://linux-vserver.org/Release+FAQ 1112925462 M * complexho in fact if you go back to wayback machine and look up freevsd.org you will see us wrestling with trying to explain VPS for several years ;) 1112925499 M * Doener wow, the description of virtual servers in the first article is ehrm... well... what kind of brain-dead argument is it to say "you still cannot change the time"? 1112925525 M * micah Bertl: looks like adding ramdisk_size=32768 got it working! 1112925544 M * Bertl Doener: ahem, you already said it ... bd LOL ;) 1112925583 M * Bertl complexho: didn't know of wayback machine! thanks! 1112925585 M * Doener yeah, was meant to be rhethoric anyways ;) 1112925593 M * micah wayback machine is grat 1112925594 M * micah great 1112925618 M * micah Bertl: so now I have a proper debugging debian 2.6.8-15-vs1.9.5-2 kernel running 1112925635 M * Bertl try 'chcontext --ctx 42 true' 1112925641 M * Bertl should give you a warning ;) 1112925646 M * complexho and for the more commercial version of describing a vserver look up DSVR in the wayback 1112925650 M * complexho dsvr.co.uk 1112925801 M * Bertl hey, we are there too! ;) 1112925818 M * micah Bertl: do I need some vservers setup first? 1112925833 M * micah oh! there was an error, but only in my kern.log 1112925844 M * micah Apr 7 21:03:14 localhost kernel: vxW: !!! limit: ccee0be0[VM,9] = -3 on exit. 1112925854 M * Bertl precisely! 1112925875 M * micah are these logged to the kernel ring? 1112925898 M * Bertl yup, normal kernel log messages 1112926014 M * Bertl but don't worry, it's already fixed ;) 1112926192 M * Bertl you could now test uptime virtualization, to begin with something 1112926674 M * complexho night all - off to bed 1112926678 M * Bertl night! 1112926680 M * Doener night complexho 1112926687 M * complexho Bertl, will have another read of that artile in the morning 1112926698 M * complexho clear head 1112926706 M * Bertl okay, will continue writing tomorrow afternoon/evening 1112926715 M * complexho night 1112926772 M * Doener hm... i don't like any of the two articles... 1112926782 M * Bertl well, me neither ... 1112926796 M * Bertl maybe we should not participate at all? 1112926815 M * Doener the first is...hmm... you know the Heise Forum? it kinda reminds me of that... 1112926830 M * Bertl hehe 1112926847 M * Doener and the second isn't making any differentiation at all.. 1112926879 M * Doener btw, did the System 360 really use virtualization? i'd expect it to have used hardware partitioning... 1112926893 M * Doener (which is a different thing in my book...) 1112926906 M * Bertl yes, it's hw partitioning AFAIK 1112926939 M * Bertl but it's not he only wrong statement ... 1112926943 M * Bertl *the 1112927012 M * Doener i'm not even sure to what xen is compared in the article vmware and friends? 1112927514 M * Bertl that one was rhetorical too, right? 1112927603 M * Doener not really ;) i think it's vmware, but i might happen not to know whatever he really compares xen to ;) 1112927772 M * Bertl I guess it's more M$ Virtual Server which is basically VMware^2 1112927804 M * Bertl micah: still around? 1112927820 M * micah Bertl: yes, sorry I was just reading some backlog of what I missed! 1112927828 M * Bertl np ... 1112927853 M * micah so, uptime virtualization 1112927887 M * Bertl yes, basically you set the virt_uptime flag and then the context should account all process times and the uptime relative to context start 1112927970 M * Bertl I guess this will not work as expected with the current kernel, but I would like to know for sure ... 1112927996 M * micah such as: chcontext --ctx 100 --flag ^17 bash -c "sleep 100; uptime" 1112928047 M * Bertl make it sleep 600 & sleep 500; uptime; ps auxwww" 1112928077 M * micah too sleeps in a row? 1112928085 M * Bertl the first is backgrounded 1112928221 M * micah When you do not have the virtualized uptime flag set, is the uptime in a context the host's uptime? 1112928230 M * Bertl yep 1112928259 M * Bertl is that what you see right now? 1112928265 M * micah it is still sleeping :) 1112928273 M * Bertl ah, yes, right ;) 1112928285 M * Doener i'm done for today... good $WHATEVER_FITS_HERE folks! 1112928293 M * micah goodnight Doener! 1112928301 M * Bertl night Doener! 1112928305 N * Doener Doener_zZz 1112928318 M * micah so if it is working it should show something like 8 minutes uptime 1112928355 M * micah still a couple more minutes to go :) 1112928375 M * Bertl yeah, and a process start time for the first sleep which is 8 minutes back, as well as a current time for the ps 1112928396 M * micah ah, right, good test 1112928414 M * micah should I test the other examples at http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper-14? 1112928427 M * micah or are there particular ones that you want to do 1112928453 M * Bertl they won't hurt, but I'd start with the issues I mentioned while I did the porting 1112928467 M * Bertl IIRC, you got a list of them, right? 1112928493 M * micah yes, I sent them to the list, I also have them here locally 1112928566 M * micah here is the list: 1112928567 M * micah Need to check task_state (in proc) regarding initpid virtualization 1112928574 M * micah Need to check ext2/ext3 xattr with disk limit accounting 1112928583 M * micah Virtual process uptime probably needs fixing 1112928590 M * micah FIXADDR mapping is missing 1112928600 M * micah Had to add some rcu stuff(?) 1112928611 M * Bertl okay, scratch the FIXADDR 1112928622 M * micah Need to test NFS 1112928634 M * micah I think those are all the tests that I noted 1112928643 M * micah well, also: 1112928643 M * micah . Need to compile, boot and test several times with small 1112928643 M * micah changes, loooking at various features (from vserver paper and 1112928643 M * micah changelogs) to know what to test 1112928661 M * Bertl okay, the task_state means /proc//stat(us) 1112928669 M * micah I have the uptime output 1112928674 M * Bertl and? 1112928677 M * micah pond:/home/micah# chcontext --ctx 100 --flag ^17 bash -c "sleep 600 & sleep 500; uptime; ps auxwww" 1112928680 M * micah New security context is 100 1112928683 M * micah 21:49:30 up 8 min, 7 users, load average: 0.04, 0.09, 0.08 1112928686 M * micah USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND 1112928688 M * micah root 8653 0.0 0.2 3920 1252 pts/1 R+ 22:37 0:00 bash -c sleep 600 & sleep 500; uptime; ps auxwww 1112928691 M * micah root 8654 0.0 0.1 3180 564 pts/1 S+ 22:37 0:00 sleep 600 1112928694 M * micah root 9165 0.0 0.1 3960 1024 pts/1 R+ 22:45 0:00 ps auxwww 1112928694 M * micah current uptime: 1112928695 M * micah 21:51:27 up 1:06, 7 users, load average: 0.05, 0.08, 0.08 1112928697 M * micah pond:/home/micah# 1112928724 M * Bertl hmm, so the ps is wrong ... but the uptime works ... 1112928763 M * micah interesting that it shows 7 users (thats the host's user count) 1112928795 M * Bertl yeah, you can file a bug report/feature request for that, it's not virtualized yet ;) 1112928802 M * micah ah! :) 1112928810 M * micah wait, the ps is wrong? 1112928823 M * Bertl yup, about an hour and 6 minutes ;) 1112928825 M * micah ah! 1112928827 M * micah I see it now 1112929157 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.8-15-vs1.9.5.x-3.diff 1112929165 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-2.6.8-15-vs1.9.5.x-2-3.diff 1112929181 M * Bertl second is a delta between the -2 and this one ... 1112929208 M * Bertl basically it should fix most of the issues (maybe including the uptime) 1112929221 M * Bertl and it incorporates all fixes waiting for 1.9.6 ... 1112929291 M * micah wow, you found the problem and backported all the 1.9.6 stuff already? 1112929330 M * Bertl except for 3 major things, which I guess will not be included at all 1112929335 M * Bertl - varhz 1112929341 M * Bertl - the memory split for x86 1112929357 M * Bertl - bind mount extensions 1112929366 M * micah because these things didn't exist in the mainline until 2.6.9 (and aren't backported in debian)? 1112929383 M * Bertl depends ... 1112929395 M * Bertl the varhz might work, but I guess debian folks would object 1112929412 M * micah object? 1112929421 M * Bertl (it does change some timeouts from the spec) 1112929445 M * Bertl i.e. some tcp timeouts are 5 and 6 days, and I lowered them to 2-3 days ;) 1112929456 M * micah where can I find more information about what each of those are? 1112929472 M * Bertl the memory split simply doesn't work before 2.6.9*/10 1112929523 M * Bertl and the bind mount extensions exist for 2.6.8 but are quite different to the ones used for 2.6.11+, so no point in including them ... 1112929540 M * Bertl (if somebody wants to use them, he can use the older patches) 1112929564 M * Bertl or move on to a 2.6.11 kernel ;) 1112929594 M * micah is memory split the concept of isolated/virtualized memory? 1112929599 M * Bertl okay, I'm off for today too, please let me know about any issues or anomalies you find ... 1112929623 M * micah I will make a new kernel with your -3 so we can test 1112929630 M * Bertl micah: no, it just allows to have other memory splits on i386 than 3/1 which allows to have more than 1GB memory without himem 1112929647 M * micah one last question 1112929650 M * Bertl yup? 1112929654 M * micah about bind mounts, so I can document it 1112929676 M * micah are the bind mount extentions basically everything involved with doing a mount --rbind 1112929692 M * micah (ie. mounting another vserver's directory inside your vserver) 1112929735 M * micah I will search for more information about these, but just looking for the "summary" 1112929736 M * Bertl http://lwn.net/Articles/124482/ 1112929764 M * micah none of these are documented in the Linux-VServer-Paper 1112929778 M * Bertl because they are not part of linux-vserver yet ;) 1112929803 M * Bertl well, they are tested and basically it looks like the split and bme will be included 1112929816 M * micah oh, these are mainline kernel things, not vserver thigns? 1112929833 M * Bertl yep, they are mainling patches not accepted into mainline ;) 1112929866 M * micah but if their are a part of mainline (or will be), what do they have to do with vserver? 1112929880 M * micah I would guess that varhz is part of CPU limiting? 1112929885 M * Bertl nothing, but they are useful for vserver users ... 1112929897 M * Bertl many systems for example have 2GB memory 1112929908 M * Bertl using highmem for them will add significant overhead 1112929925 M * Bertl avoiding that with a 2/2 split is simply an advantage 1112929961 M * Bertl varhz is just changing the timer interrupt the kernel uses (was 100Hz for 2.4 and now is 1000Hz) 1112929982 M * Bertl the varhz allows you to change it between 20 and 20000 Hz 1112930000 M * micah how does changing that benefit vserver users? 1112930013 M * micah (sorry if this is obvious, I'm still learning a lot!) 1112930033 M * Bertl the idea here was to reduce the slice time for interactive servers and/or decrease the scheduling overhead 1112930066 M * micah ah! I see 1112930077 M * Bertl which didn't make a really big difference, so it's probably going away soon ... 1112930082 M * micah maybe it could be configurable in /proc/varhz someday :) 1112930100 M * micah ok 1112930107 M * Bertl unfortunately that would add significant overhead 1112930141 M * Bertl (most HZ based timing things are constants right now) 1112930160 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a nice whatever ... 1112930162 M * micah ah, so changing on the fly would be difficult 1112930168 M * micah ok, sleep well 1112930176 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1112936932 Q * ciphernaut Quit: 1112937521 M * Hollow Doener_zZz: fixed 1112938977 Q * mugwump Quit: purging the evil that is LANG=*.UTF-8 1112939000 J * mugwumptest ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1112939041 Q * mugwumptest Quit: 1112939057 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1112940348 Q * berni Remote host closed the connection 1112940392 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1112941099 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1112941332 J * berni ~berni@svr01.mucip.net 1112942336 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1112942571 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1112943254 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1112943480 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1112943880 Q * micah Read error: Operation timed out 1112945115 Q * berni Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1112945234 Q * BWare Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11 1112945818 J * prae ~prae@134.106-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com 1112946036 J * BWare ~bware@212.26.196.195 1112946138 J * Pazzo ~thomas@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1112947257 Q * BWare Read error: Connection reset by peer 1112949496 J * berni ~berni@svr01.mucip.net 1112952885 J * BWare ~bware@212.26.196.195 1112956505 J * Venomous ~kvirc@host143-154.pool8255.interbusiness.it 1112956511 M * Venomous hi all 1112956605 M * Venomous guys i hase searched on the site, but i can't find a page with an explanation on how nat. I'm haveing problem with some service so i want nat all request on the pulic ip to a private ip where i can find it? 1112957869 Q * complexho Remote host closed the connection 1112958736 M * TheSeer Venomous: that's not vserver specific.. any dnat/snat howto should cover that 1112958871 M * TheSeer iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 25 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.2:25 1112958885 M * TheSeer iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 10.0.0.2 -j SNAT --to 1112958915 M * TheSeer that would do mail (smtp) forwarding from external ip to a local 10.0.0.2 and back 1112958943 M * TheSeer more details can be found on any iptables howto 1112958946 M * Venomous i must configure all the service 1112958951 M * Venomous all works 1112958959 M * TheSeer ? 1112958959 M * Venomous eccept imap 1112958983 M * Venomous because the host server doesn't have an' imap.conf 1112958993 M * Venomous so it binds on every address 1112959023 M * TheSeer i don't get you? 1112959042 M * virtuoso Me neither. 1112959092 M * Venomous when i try to connect to the imapserver ov the guest i log inside the imap of the host 1112959169 M * virtuoso Do they bind to different ip addresses? 1112959251 M * Venomous no 1112959293 M * Venomous the host server is RHE so i thinkthat i can configure it to bind it on a specificaddress 1112959542 M * TheSeer why the f*** do you have a service on the host server? 1112959568 M * TheSeer and - even worse - why do you make it bind to the ip of the guest server? 1112959592 M * Venomous i have installed vserver after 1112959606 M * Venomous now i have only setup ip with alias 1112959623 M * TheSeer then move the imap stuff into a guest server 1112959631 M * TheSeer and your problems are solved 1112959651 M * Venomous i have 1 host server 1112959670 M * virtuoso This is rather common. :) 1112959677 M * Venomous running a web service with over 100000 visits each month 1112959692 M * Venomous and other 2 vserver 1112959699 M * virtuoso 100k/month is nothing to worry about. 1112959725 M * Venomous one vserver is to test a new web service 1112959733 M * Venomous that can be dangerous 1112959745 M * Venomous (bogus software) 1112959769 M * Venomous the third vserver is to run a site with vcs irc and such, is for development 1112959775 M * Venomous if can't find a solution 1112959797 M * Venomous probally i'll need to stop the service on the host 1112959804 M * Venomous and run all on vservers 1112959851 M * virtuoso TheSeer: Do you get any of this? :) 1112960116 M * TheSeer probally i'll need to stop the service on the host 1112960116 M * TheSeer and run all on vservers 1112960125 M * TheSeer that's exactly what i just told you to do, isn't it? 1112960141 M * TheSeer virtuoso: forget the other crap he said before - it's of no interest here ;> 1112960182 M * TheSeer Venomous: in an ideal setup, the "core" server (e.g. the host) does have NO service besides ssh running 1112960213 M * TheSeer the ip of the host-server is restricted to be only accessable via ssh from a trusted source(-network) 1112960265 M * TheSeer create only minimalistic guest server that only get what they need to run the service they're supposed to do 1112960279 M * TheSeer no direct ssh to a guest if not required for example 1112960297 M * TheSeer that way you have a secure and fast server-setup 1112960842 Q * BWare Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11 1112960996 J * BWare ~bware@212.26.196.195 1112962205 M * mugwump dav-- # what. is. the. point? 1112962286 M * mugwump sorry, starting a flamewar in the wrong channel :) 1112962920 M * virtuoso Flame blows. 1112963000 M * mugwump well, it helped me vent while I worked around the problem :) 1112963170 M * Venomous ehheehe 1112963174 M * Venomous solved bay 1112963177 M * Venomous ops 1112963179 M * Venomous baby 1112963198 M * Venomous i have resolved binding each service on a specific address 1112963201 M * Venomous quick fix 1112963209 M * Venomous now it's alunch time 1112967603 N * Doener_zZz Doener 1112967608 M * Doener morning 1112967648 A * DaCa offers Doener a croissant 1112967653 J * ripman leukejong@d594e3d7.dsl.concepts.nl 1112967681 M * Doener hm, what about some coffee? *yawns* 1112967686 M * Doener ;) 1112967753 M * ripman anyone has a good faq/link for installation vserver on debian with kernel 2.6 ?thanks 1112967781 M * aba ripman: what's your problem? For me, it worked :P 1112967846 M * Doener ripman: get vanilla sources, patch them, build the kernel, boot the kernel, install tools (AFAIK 0.30.20x is in sarge, so you can get them via apt) 1112967918 M * aba also, a current kernel patch is available, so you can get the kernel source and the patch via apt. 1112967955 M * Doener hm, is http://packages.debian.org down atm? 1112967965 M * ripman i am new in Vserver 1112967989 M * DaCa .204 moved to sarge? 1112968001 M * DaCa guess I need to pin it before the next upgrade 1112968019 M * ripman doener: you dont have a link where all steps are described ? 1112968035 M * aba Doener: yes, packages is down. 1112968050 M * aba (and people also. Two machines are currently badly broken - and we don't know why :( ) 1112968070 M * aba DaCa: yes, util-vserver | 0.30.204-4 | testing | source, alpha, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc 1112968112 M * Doener DaCa: why not upgrade? alpha tools also work with 2.4 and/or old configurations 1112968143 M * Doener ripman: what steps exactly? 1112968180 M * ripman i am new in vserver stuff, so i dont know what vanilla sources are.. and AFAIK .. 1112968184 M * ripman never heard about it 1112968208 M * ripman is that the patch ? 1112968210 M * ripman from the site. 1112968211 M * Doener vanilla sources are the kernel sources you get at kernel.org ... not a vserver-related term at all ;) 1112968225 M * SiD3WiNDR afaik = as far as I know:) 1112968229 M * SiD3WiNDR also not vserver related ;) 1112968237 M * ripman hahah 1112968241 M * ripman hahah 1112968243 M * DaCa Doener: I was under the impression that installing .2xx tools _required_ changing your configuration 1112968245 M * ripman ok 1112968265 M * ripman for me it means kernel-headers 1112968289 M * Doener DaCa: no, if they don't find a new style configuration, they tell you and look for a legacy one 1112968324 M * Doener ripman: you know how to build a kernel on debian? (make-kpkg) 1112968330 M * ripman yep 1112968335 M * ripman have done it some times 1112968343 M * ripman apt-get kernelsources 1112968350 M * ripman and compile 1112968393 M * DaCa Doener: ok, thats nice, I'll let it upgrade then :) 1112968427 M * Doener ok, now that aba says that there's a recent 2.6 vserver patch available in sarge, get that one too. then use make-kpkg's --added-patches (or something like that) to include the vserver patch in your build 1112968502 M * ripman that 2.6 vserver patch is on the vserver site ? 1112968586 M * Doener yep, but that won't find debian's kernel... kernel-patch-vserver should have an adapted patch 1112968627 M * ripman what version should i use to patch the kernel that 1.2.10 latest ? 1112968684 M * Doener 1.2.10 is for 2.4 kernels... 1112968712 M * ripman yes 1112968714 M * ripman i see mistake 1112968722 M * ripman develpoment is 2.6 1112968742 M * Doener if you want to use the debian kernel, use the kernel-patch-vserver package 1112968772 M * Doener aba: btw, is that package derived from Bertl's current effort to port 1.9.5 to the debian kernel? 1112968804 M * ripman let me check if its on the site the kernel-patch-vserver package 1112968843 M * ripman you mean the hacks right ? 1112968850 M * Doener it's not on the linux-vserver site, it's available via apt 1112968901 M * ripman yes got it thanks 1112968905 M * ripman thank you 1112968915 M * ripman i can go to work now :) 1112968949 M * ripman btw 1112968953 M * ripman i also see 1112968953 M * ripman util-vserver - tools for Virtual private servers and context switching 1112968953 M * ripman vserver-debiantool 1112968962 M * ripman i can install them afterwards the patch ? 1112968995 M * Doener yes... and you don't need the latter one 1112969046 M * ripman latter on ? 1112969051 M * ripman latter one ? 1112969086 M * Doener you don't need vserver-debiantool (at least AFAIK, and you can always install it later on, if it turns out, that you do need it) 1112969102 M * ripman okay my english is bad so i didnt understand what you mean 1112969155 M * ripman thank you 1112969246 M * Doener ripman: you're welcome 1112969266 M * Doener i'm not a native speaker either, so maybe my english is just so bad that you can't understand me ;) 1112970240 J * lost_eps ~lost_eps@63.223.14.56 1112970255 M * Doener later folks... 1112970258 N * Doener Doener|gone 1112970275 M * lost_eps hi all, has anyone tried patching 2.6 kernel with: patch-2.6.11.5-vs1.9.5.diff ? 1112970345 M * lost_eps I downloaded: linux-2.6.11.5.tar.bz2 and having issues patching it against it, wondering if anyone had any insight? 1112970377 M * lost_eps patch -p0 < ../patch-2.6.11.5-vs1.9.5.diff 1112970377 M * lost_eps patching file linux-2.6.11.5/Documentation/vserver/debug.txt 1112970377 M * lost_eps can't find file to patch at input line 179 1112970377 M * lost_eps Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? 1112970377 M * lost_eps The text leading up to this was: 1112970378 M * lost_eps -------------------------- 1112970380 M * lost_eps |diff -NurpP --minimal linux-2.6.11.5/Makefile linux-2.6.11.5-vs1.9.5/Makefile 1112970382 M * lost_eps |--- linux-2.6.11.5/Makefile 2005-03-21 22:59:25 +0100 1112970388 M * lost_eps |+++ linux-2.6.11.5-vs1.9.5/Makefile 2005-03-23 21:34:28 +0100 1112970388 M * Doener|gone lost_eps: -p1 1112970390 M * lost_eps -------------------------- 1112970392 M * lost_eps File to patch: 1112970438 M * lost_eps I love you! 1112970440 M * lost_eps thanks 1112970451 M * Doener|gone you're welcome 1112970459 A * Doener|gone is really gone now ;) 1112970521 P * lost_eps 1112972285 J * wurd ~kvlt@modemcable143.235-201-24.mc.videotron.ca 1112972314 M * wurd hello 1112972324 M * wurd is there a tutorial for installing vserver ?& 1112973184 M * wurd anyone ? 1112973501 M * eyck hmm, eh? 1112973514 M * eyck can you compile a kernel? 1112973565 M * erwan_taf wurd: please browse the website 1112973618 M * erwan_taf http://linux-vserver.org/ 1112974333 M * prae :p 1112974335 M * prae Mister Wan :p 1112974427 M * erwan_taf Mister du Prae \o/ 1112974434 M * erwan_taf prae: do you come with us having a beer ? 1112974487 M * prae where ? 1112974529 M * erwan_taf frog's :) 1112974540 M * prae @halles ? 1112974546 M * erwan_taf yes 1112974554 M * prae when ? 1112974557 M * erwan_taf 7pm 1112974585 M * prae with who ? :) 1112974602 M * erwan_taf planel & terjan 1112974622 M * prae why not 1112974646 M * erwan_taf cool 1112974676 M * prae *angry* 1112974690 M * prae you distribute a calin ? 1112974692 M * prae :p 1112974732 M * erwan_taf *calin* 1112974744 M * prae :) 1112974757 M * prae *sambaaaaa* 1112974795 M * prae CTX PROC VSZ RSS userTIME sysTIME UPTIME NAME 1112974795 M * prae 0 47 160.1M 9K 5m01s64 2m25s15 3d32h27 root server 1112974795 M * prae 49152 5 136.7M 5.3K 0m00s40 0m00s70 1h58m53 mysql 1112974795 M * prae 49154 6 14.6M 1.5K 0m02s45 0m00s27 1h08m33 tunnel 1112974802 M * prae I'm crazy 1112975472 Q * sannes Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1112975907 Q * Venomous Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1112975953 Q * wurd Quit: asdas 1112977420 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1112977432 M * Bertl morning folks! 1112977447 M * Bertl prae: please move away from dynamic contexts ;) 1112977629 M * Beirdo Bertl: any reason why in particular? 1112977655 M * prae Bertl: dynamic contexts ? 1112977673 M * prae how ? 1112977889 M * Bertl 49152 - 65534 is dynamic range 1112977904 M * Bertl you get an arbitrary number there if you do not specify the context id 1112977914 Q * BWare Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1112977938 M * Bertl prae: don't know what tools/config you use, but you can specify static context ids with all tools/configs 1112978110 M * prae util-vserver-0.30.205 1112978181 M * Bertl so on create just specify --context or edit /etc/vservers//context to contain such a number between 2 and 49151 1112978289 M * prae I can create a vserver with a id of context which changes each restart ? 1112978385 M * Bertl that's what you did ;) 1112978467 M * Bertl but dynamic contexts are not designed for entire guest, they are more appropriate for processes you want to put into a shell (without any 'guest' concept) 1112978487 M * Bertl s/guest/guests/, s/shell/jail/ 1112978505 A * Bertl is still searching for the coffee ;) 1112978664 M * prae Bertl: why it's better to define a static id context ? 1112978780 M * Bertl you might start to use disk limits once .. for an example 1112978800 M * Bertl and if you use dynamic contexts with that, you're basically screwed 1112978820 M * prae arf! ok :p 1112978823 M * Bertl (the same applies with ngnet if you do not be _very_ careful) 1112978904 M * prae I don't want to be screwed :-P 1112978961 N * kevinp|gone kevinp 1112978993 M * Bertl wb kevinp! 1112979018 M * kevinp thanks! pastebin is slow... 1112979140 M * kevinp http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/233 1112979165 M * kevinp I'm trying apt-rpm now, installed fc3 on a centos host 1112979165 M * prae :p 1112979216 M * kevinp Any ideas? 1112979334 M * Bertl no idea, but send a mail to the ml, cc to Enrico ... 1112979360 A * Bertl didn't even know that there is a vrpm-preload 1112979423 M * Bertl (but in general, it looks like some stuff is missing ...) 1112979582 Q * erwan_taf Remote host closed the connection 1112979662 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting 1112980341 M * kevinp ok, these are the 205 tools that haven't really been released yet... 1112980415 M * Bertl hmm, 205 is released ... but there is also a cvs version 1112980442 M * Bertl anyway have to leave now .. will be back later ... 1112980456 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1112981116 M * kevinp sent to ml 1112981965 M * kevinp interesting, installing fc2 through apt-rpm worked 1112982113 J * Art512 ~Art512@105.229.dial-up.xter.net 1112982160 M * Art512 Hi all. I have one question about virtual network interface 1112982262 M * Art512 My first VServer Have 2 VIF , eth0:vs01, dummy0:vs01 1112982308 M * Art512 and second eth0:vs02, dummy1:vs02 1112982349 M * Art512 dummy0:vs01 and dummy1:vs02 has same IP addr (for web cluster) 1112982353 J * muadda ~muadda@gar31-1-82-234-50-167.fbx.proxad.net 1112982467 M * Art512 when i enter to fitst VServer (vs01) and type `ifconfig`, I see my second virtual intesface (dummy1:vs02) with its all properties 1112982470 M * Art512 why??? 1112982506 M * Art512 anyone can help me??? 1112982529 M * muadda Art512, hello 1112982551 M * muadda look at /etc/vservers/vs02/interfaces/0/name 1112982593 M * muadda Art512, do you have this file or a similar? 1112982605 M * Art512 no 1112982649 M * muadda Art512, do you use a single config file for your vs02 vserver, or do your use the directory-based configuration style? 1112982664 M * Art512 exept *.conf & *.sh files i haven't any files in /etc/vserver 1112982681 M * Art512 no I use single file!!! 1112982700 M * kevinp what version of vserver do you have? 1112982712 M * Art512 1.26 1112982716 M * muadda I switched to the directory-based configuration style 1112982738 M * Art512 and how do you du it?? 1112982750 M * muadda kernel 2.6.11.6-vs1.9.5 1112982758 M * muadda uril-vserver 0.30.204 1112982778 M * muadda util-vserver 0.30.204, sorry 1112982792 M * Art512 no, our company have policy "only 2.4.* kernels!!!" 1112982800 M * muadda ah 1112982813 M * kevinp Art512, is the name of your vserver large (many characters)? 1112982825 M * Art512 they thing that 2.6.* kernels are not stable:( 1112982840 M * Art512 no 4 characters!!! 1112982848 M * kevinp hmm 1112982913 M * kevinp I'm not sure and it looks like biggest helpers aren't here right now 1112982926 M * kevinp If you stick around someone will come by that can help 1112982954 M * Art512 if VIP are not same, all is ok, but when I configurate to same, I can see all interfaces with that VIP 1112982984 M * Art512 and who is he???? 1112983015 M * kevinp he? 1112983017 M * muadda What is "VIP" ? 1112983029 M * Art512 Virtual IP 1112983104 M * Art512 which version of vserver support directory based configuration, not single file??? 1112983137 M * Art512 and where i can get docs about it??? 1112983146 M * muadda doc=> http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html 1112983154 M * muadda which version, I don't know 1112983167 M * muadda (hint: with Mozilla, you can change the stylesheet to "boring" from the "View" menu) 1112983182 M * kevinp that is the new version, this won't help him 1112983186 M * Art512 there are a version for 2.4.* kernels???? 1112983205 M * kevinp http://linux-vserver.org/Documentation 1112983212 J * barnix ~barnix@81.180.158.28 1112983245 M * kevinp perhaps http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/VServer-IP-Setup-0.1.txt may help 1112983281 M * kevinp good luck, got to go 1112983286 N * kevinp kevinp|gone 1112983398 M * muadda «At this moment, only recent 2.4.x kernels are supported. Support for 2.6.x kernels is under development.» -- http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-Vserver+FAQ 1112983404 M * muadda is it still true? 1112983485 P * barnix 1112983869 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1112984640 M * DaCa hi micah 1112984754 M * micah howdy DaCa 1112985350 Q * Art512 Quit: 1112985512 J * Art512 ~chatzilla@105.229.dial-up.xter.net 1112985586 N * Doener|gone Doener 1112985614 M * Doener Art512: it's pretty simple, linux-vserver's network virtualisation is currently based on the ipv4 addresses 1112985641 M * Doener as your vservers share one address you see that alias in both vservers 1112985662 M * Doener and there is only one alias, because you can't assign the same address twice to the same interface 1112985705 M * Doener i'm gone again.. birthday of a friend... later folks... 1112985708 N * Doener Doener|gone 1112985914 N * cereal laerec 1112986032 Q * Art512 Quit: ChatZilla 0.8.23 [Mozilla rv:1.3.1/20030425] 1112986123 J * Art512 ~chatzilla@105.229.dial-up.xter.net 1112986128 Q * Art512 Quit: 1112986137 J * Art512 ~chatzilla@105.229.dial-up.xter.net 1112986195 Q * Art512 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1112988716 Q * muadda Remote host closed the connection 1112989501 M * aba Doener|gone: I don't know much more than everybody can see from the package itself. I'm "just" keeping some QA hand on it, like for fast ftp-masters actions :) 1112990727 J * kalou ~kalou@AFontenayssB-104-1-3-121.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr 1112990729 M * kalou Hi 1112991775 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg 1112991795 M * Nik hi all 1112992031 M * kalou Hi Nik 1112992277 Q * Nik Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1112992328 Q * kalou Quit: Leaving 1112992423 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg 1112992907 Q * Nik Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1112993215 N * kevinp|gone kevinp 1112993279 M * kevinp So I was able to build a new fc2 guest on my centos host through apt-rpm successfully. 1112993339 M * kevinp After that I think I messed it up with a setattr - can someone take a look at this? http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/234 1112993388 M * kevinp Also, is the vshelper an normal setup problem on a new install? 1112993395 M * kevinp s/an/a/ 1112993447 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1112993528 M * Bertl kevinp: congrats! 1112993530 M * kevinp wb Bertl! 1112993554 M * Bertl vshelper is normally no setup problem ;) 1112993570 M * DaCa what exactly is vshelper, I saw there is a sysctl when merging the patches but I don't have a vshelper on my system and I seem to survive without it :) 1112993613 M * kevinp did you see the message I got when I tried to start the server the first time? 1112993614 M * Bertl vshelper does stuff in behalf of the context, for example rebooting ;) 1112993638 M * kevinp Also the third choice - kernel.vshelper = "/usr/lib/util-vserver/vshelper" did not work 1112993641 M * Bertl setattr --barrier /vservers/base-fc2/ 1112993648 M * Bertl that's simply wrong ... 1112993661 M * Bertl you want to do (and the tools usually do by default: 1112993667 M * Bertl setattr --barrier /vservers/base-fc2/.. 1112993669 M * kevinp I think I got it off of a recent post to the ml 1112993698 M * Bertl (i.e. the barrier is _above_ the vserver) 1112993727 M * kevinp missed the dots 1112993742 M * kevinp So what do I need to run to fix it? 1112993768 M * Bertl setattr --~barrier /vservers/base-fc2 1112993778 M * Bertl and the line with the .. 1112993833 M * kevinp Also, I was just building another fc2 vserver and it redownloaded the rpms, shouldn't there be a cache for that and compare headers? 1112993859 M * Bertl don't know the details, but I remember some apt(-rpm) cache? 1112993924 M * kevinp I don't see it caching anything... 1112993947 M * kevinp So the tools probably already set the barrier correctly? 1112993960 M * Bertl yep, at least they usually do 1112993982 J * muadda ~muadda@gar31-1-82-234-50-167.fbx.proxad.net 1112994026 M * Bertl muadda: updated the FAQ, linux-vserver is working 0n 2.4 and 2.6 (development branch) 1112994098 M * kevinp On the new guest that I just made (another fc2) (fc3 still doesn't work) I get this on the showattr: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/235 1112994110 M * muadda Bertl, ok ;) 1112994211 M * kevinp So does that mean the tools are working correctly? 1112994233 M * Bertl well, I guess so ... 1112994305 M * kevinp so what do you think on the vshelper? The third option didn't work (with the reboot), but the fourth option did 1112994316 M * Bertl okay, translocating now, back in about 2 hours ... 1112994332 M * kevinp ok 1112994337 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1112995510 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg 1112995514 M * Nik quit Hybernating my brain 1112995518 Q * Nik Quit: 1112996290 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1112996607 J * DukeGangsta|aw uefgangsta@i5387EDDD.versanet.de 1112997317 Q * erwan_ho Quit: Leaving 1112997735 Q * DukeGangsta|aw Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de ) 1112998292 J * DukeGangsta|aw uefgangsta@i5387EDDD.versanet.de 1112999653 M * SiD3WiNDR how do I make a new vserver on debian? 1112999667 M * SiD3WiNDR a debian vserver :) 1112999672 M * muadda SiD3WiNDR, hello ;) 1112999673 M * SiD3WiNDR does vserver build work for that? 1112999676 M * SiD3WiNDR hi 1112999712 M * muadda Here is what I did: http://alban.blop.info/~alban/vserver/ 1112999761 M * micah Bertl_oO: I believe the -3 patch fixed the uptime virtualization 1113000080 M * muadda SiD3WiNDR, the debian package util-vserver (userspace part) is enough up to date, but you need to compile your patched kernel though 1113000117 M * SiD3WiNDR yea 1113000119 M * SiD3WiNDR thanks 1113000128 M * SiD3WiNDR I just needed the commandline ;) 1113000136 M * SiD3WiNDR i've been using vservers for quite a while now 1113000142 M * SiD3WiNDR but I used to use debian-newvserver 1113000244 M * muadda I don't know what is newvserver 1113000392 M * SiD3WiNDR it's an old script to make debian vserver for an older version of linux-vserver 1113000397 M * SiD3WiNDR and it wasn't that good in setting up stuff 1113000402 M * SiD3WiNDR but it worked very easily 1113000407 M * SiD3WiNDR using your commandline now :) 1113000414 M * SiD3WiNDR is vserver .. build completely silent? 1113000423 M * SiD3WiNDR it's been running for a few min now but it shows no output 1113000437 M * muadda SiD3WiNDR, yes, if I'm remembering... 1113000449 M * SiD3WiNDR ok 1113000452 M * muadda du -sh /var/lib/vservers/ 1113000458 M * SiD3WiNDR some indication of activity would be nice :) 1113000468 M * muadda you'll know if it is growing 1113000478 N * Doener|gone Doener 1113000493 M * SiD3WiNDR yup it's growing :) 1113000511 M * Doener kevinp: the third option (from the vshelper error message) is the sysctl.conf thing, right? 1113000532 M * Doener kevinp: remove the spaces... i.e. ...vshelper="...." 1113000588 M * SiD3WiNDR now it's saying lots of "file has vanished:" ... is that normal? :P 1113000597 M * muadda SiD3WiNDR > $ sudo du -shx /var/lib/vservers/vserver04 1113000597 M * muadda SiD3WiNDR > 178M /var/lib/vservers/vserver04 1113000610 M * muadda SiD3WiNDR, hum... no, not normal ;) 1113000614 M * SiD3WiNDR odd 1113000622 M * SiD3WiNDR it's 422M already :) 1113000655 M * muadda SiD3WiNDR, did you use sarge? 1113000664 M * SiD3WiNDR yes 1113000670 M * muadda strange 1113000677 M * Doener night folks... 1113000679 N * Doener Doener_zZz 1113000687 M * SiD3WiNDR 529M.. 1113000688 M * SiD3WiNDR night Doener_zZz 1113000715 M * SiD3WiNDR what kind of install does this thing do anyway 1113000718 M * SiD3WiNDR emacs *shudder* 1113000759 M * muadda don't know ;) I pick up this command from http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver 1113000816 M * muadda Do a 'apt-cache show debootstrap' 1113000833 M * muadda "It does this by 1113000833 M * muadda downloading .deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them 1113000833 M * muadda into a directory which can eventually be chrooted into." 1113000844 M * SiD3WiNDR yes, I know debootstrap 1113000856 M * SiD3WiNDR it's up to 700M now 1113000881 M * SiD3WiNDR 760 1113000886 M * SiD3WiNDR odd odd odd. 1113000970 M * muadda what are the 700M ? 1113000997 M * SiD3WiNDR um 1113001007 M * SiD3WiNDR does it copy /usr from the host or something? 1113001021 M * muadda I think no 1113001033 M * SiD3WiNDR it has my linux kernel source in /var/lib/vservers/name/usr/src 1113001215 M * SiD3WiNDR oh 1113001216 M * SiD3WiNDR hm 1113001228 M * SiD3WiNDR util vserver 0.30 *is* compatible with 2.4 right? 1113001252 M * muadda I don't know 1113001260 M * muadda I use the 2.6 kernel 1113001295 M * muadda Do you use the -m option with debootstrap? 1113001315 M * muadda the default seems to be "the old copy-all-from-host method" 1113001334 M * SiD3WiNDR hm 1113001350 M * SiD3WiNDR it did copy from host.. 1113001354 M * SiD3WiNDR however, I had put -m 1113001363 M * SiD3WiNDR how do I delete a vserver? 1113001368 M * SiD3WiNDR just rm /var/lib/vservers/name ? 1113001385 M * muadda I guess so... plus rm -rf /etc/vserver/ 1113001390 M * SiD3WiNDR it didn't make that one. 1113001401 M * SiD3WiNDR :( 1113001411 M * muadda What was your command line? 1113001433 M * SiD3WiNDR copied from yours 1113001439 M * SiD3WiNDR with other ip and replaced vserver04 by actual name 1113001446 M * muadda uh 1113001461 M * muadda this command erase the existing vserver if any 1113001555 M * SiD3WiNDR uhu 1113001614 M * SiD3WiNDR I'll fiddle with it tomorrow 1113001616 A * SiD3WiNDR off to bed now 1113001617 M * SiD3WiNDR night :) 1113001619 M * SiD3WiNDR and thanks 1113001638 M * muadda do you loose any data? 1113001642 M * muadda goof night 1113001647 M * muadda good 1113001726 M * muadda SiD3WiNDR, my page will be offline (save it if you want it) 1113002568 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1113002593 M * Bertl evening folks! 1113002655 M * muadda Bertl, hello ! 1113002690 M * Bertl hey muadda! so any questions/issues/comments remaining? 1113002704 M * muadda Bertl, no, it works ;) 1113002707 M * muadda a comment though: 1113002737 M * muadda if the vserver server already exist and if I do "vserver ... build" 1113002756 M * muadda will my vserver be erased? 1113002775 M * Bertl no, IIRC, it will tell you that it exists 1113002790 M * Bertl and if you use the --force, then it will be backed up ... 1113002812 M * Bertl (at least that is what happened last time I checked) 1113003009 M * micah yes, thats what it does 1113003013 M * micah I did it the other night :) 1113003023 M * micah at least thats what it does with .205 1113003185 M * muadda exist already; please try to use '--force', or remove them manually 1113003190 M * muadda seems to work 1113003428 M * Bertl evening micah! how is the kernel doing? 1113003664 M * Bertl kevinp: just for your information, the 0.30.20x tool work fine with 2.4/1.2.x ;) 1113003897 M * micah Bertl: the -3 patch is doing good! 1113003920 M * Bertl is the process start time fine now? 1113004109 M * kevinp Oh, sorry, that was when I told somebody to not look at that documentation? 1113004237 M * Bertl as I said, it was just for your information