1112832126 M * sig first i flood the list with questions and now the channel :)
1112832177 M * sig has anyone experienced trouble with df command inside a vserver?
1112832186 M * sig df: cannot read table of mounted filesystems
1112832362 Q * Pazzo Quit: ..
1112832461 M * Bertl sig: aah, it's you ;)
1112832476 M * sig in the digital
1112832486 M * Doener sig: does /etc/mtab exist?
1112832498 M * Bertl let's start with 'strace -fF -o df.out df'
1112832500 M * sig yup but it is 0 bytes
1112832517 M * Bertl and upload that somewhere (pastebin.com for example)
1112832521 M * Doener try: rm /etc/mtab; ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab
1112832532 M * Bertl Doener: not a good idea ...
1112832556 M * Doener hm, should be enough for a test, shouldn't it?
1112832627 M * Doener of course /proc/mounts missed details and the /dev/bla may be missing, but the error should disappear...
1112832635 M * Doener s/missed/misses/
1112832783 M * sig http://magnuson.ca/df.out
1112832816 M * Bertl tx
1112832865 M * Bertl okay, now do
1112832871 M * Bertl rm -f /etc/mtab
1112832891 M * Bertl echo "/dev/hdv1 / ufs rw 0 0" >/etc/mtab
1112832899 M * Bertl then try again ...
1112832958 M * sig that works perfectly
1112832969 M * sig did I miss something in the setup?
1112833033 M * sig or just a post install step?
1112833107 M * Bertl well, the tools should do that for you
1112833120 M * Bertl btw, which kernel/patches/tools do you use?
1112833184 M * sig Kernel: 2.6.11.5-vs1.9.5
1112833184 M * sig VS-API: 0x00010025
1112833184 M * sig util-vserver: 0.30.204; Mar 31 2005, 13:45:28
1112833206 M * Bertl hmm .. how was the guest created?
1112833208 M * sig I may very well have screwed up the steps
1112833239 M * sig I booted off crux cd and installed to /vserver/crux01
1112833258 M * Bertl ah, okay :)
1112833270 M * sig I have documented my steps.  Not the cleanest yet but I can share
1112833281 M * Bertl you need to fix up some things in this case
1112833290 M * sig it figures
1112833302 M * Bertl first, use the tools to create a skeleton vserver (with a different name)
1112833309 M * sig that I did
1112833330 M * Bertl then make sure that your /dev doesn't contain more than the skeletal one
1112833380 M * Bertl (the /dev of your installed guest, that is)
1112833503 M * Bertl that's for security reasons
1112833632 M * sig these are the extra entries i have:
1112833635 M * sig prw-------   1 root root    0 Apr  5 08:24 initctl
1112833635 M * sig srw-rw-rw-   1 root root    0 Apr  6 13:04 log
1112833697 M * Bertl they are probably fine
1112833701 M * sig a couple of permission differences on some others
1112833721 M * Bertl not so important ... now try to stop/start your guest again ...
1112833784 M * sig df: cannot read table of mounted filesystems
1112833814 M * Bertl so it seems that it is overwritten at some point
1112833824 M * Bertl I would suspect the init-scripts of your guest distro to do that
1112833863 M * Bertl try 'grep -r /etc/mtab /etc/rc*'
1112833904 M * sig yup
1112833910 M * sig # Mount local filesystems
1112833960 M * sig hmm my pasting is acting up
1112834010 M * sig there is a rm -f /etc/mtab*
1112834015 M * sig in /etc/rc
1112834056 M * Bertl so get rid of that, mounting/umounting should not be done at all
1112834069 M * Bertl well, it is tried, won't work anyway ...
1112834200 M * sig you can see it here: http://magnuson.ca/rc
1112834397 M * sig it now works even after I stop/start vserver
1112834427 M * sig that's awesome.  I'm getting excited about using it in prod.
1112834433 M * Bertl yeah, you can remove the entire script, it doesn't do anything useful
1112834449 M * Bertl hmm, no, the syslogd is there
1112834456 M * Bertl keep that one
1112834464 M * Bertl # Start log daemons
1112834464 M * Bertl /usr/sbin/syslogd
1112834480 M * Bertl # Update shared library links
1112834480 M * Bertl /sbin/ldconfig
1112834500 M * Bertl that's it ...
1112834580 M * sig cool, I'll work on shaving the file down - thanks
1112834588 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1112834603 A * albeiro -> sleep()
1112834658 M * Doener night albeiro 
1112834731 M * albeiro have a good whatever folks !
1112834830 M * Bertl night!
1112835137 Q * hvd uranium.oftc.net keid.oftc.net
1112835196 J * hvd ~takeagues@fw-grz.hollomey.com
1112836945 M * sig I'm done for the night
1112836962 M * sig Again thanks for your help Herbert
1112836992 Q * sig Quit: good night!
1112837012 Q * atsab Server closed connection
1112837023 J * atsab ~as@lotes.vtu.lt
1112837317 Q * Medivh Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112837458 Q * lilo Quit: bbiab
1112837809 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1112838759 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de
1112839176 M * Doener i'm done for today... good day/night/in-between folks!
1112839180 N * Doener Doener_zZz
1112839806 M * micah yow, been writing man pages for hours... :p
1112839897 Q * tchan Server closed connection
1112839902 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1112840268 M * Bertl micah: patch is already updated for debian ...
1112840601 M * micah Bertl: oh! I should give it a try
1112840708 M * Bertl -2 now
1112840743 M * micah found it: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.8-15-vs1.9.5-2.diff
1112841108 M * Bertl funny, I always considered my zyxel router to be somewhat complicated to configure ...
1112841138 M * Bertl now I did configure a D-Link DI-604 and this is the pure horror!
1112841177 Q * Beirdo Server closed connection
1112841184 J * Beirdo ~gjhurlbu@beirdo.usercloak.oftc.net
1112841497 Q * cereal Server closed connection
1112841542 J * cereal ~cereal@stargate-galaxy.net
1112843801 M * micah zyxel has always been known to have a number of really cool features, sometimes at the expense of difficulty to configure
1112843851 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112843864 Q * aba Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112844271 J * johnny ~johnny@ip68-10-185-138.hr.hr.cox.net
1112844445 J * aba ~aba@sol.turmzimmer.net
1112845298 M * micah my 2.6.8-15 compile worked fine with the patch
1112845303 M * micah now I need to get my qemu working
1112845356 M * Bertl btw, I removed the split patch, the debian kernel is too old to work with that patch
1112845391 M * Bertl I checked twice because I couldn#t believe it at first glance ... but 2.6.9 was the first one to work with different memory splits (without heavy patching ;)
1112845445 M * johnny my server kernel has been stable berni 
1112845446 M * johnny err
1112845447 M * johnny Bertl, 
1112845458 M * johnny it's been up since i last talked to you :)
1112845469 M * Bertl excellent johnny! care to remind me of the details?
1112845474 M * johnny 1.9.4 
1112845481 M * johnny util vserver 0.30.204
1112845490 M * johnny based off 2.6.11
1112845503 M * Bertl great! thanks!
1112845504 M * johnny i think it was 
1112845506 M * johnny an rc 
1112845526 M * johnny prolly been a couple months now
1112845762 M * Bertl yeah, you might consider to schedule an update once 1.9.6 is out ...
1112845861 M * johnny anything new in that?
1112845864 M * johnny besdies bug fixes
1112846430 M * Bertl yes, a bunch of new features there ...
1112846464 M * Bertl (BME, blkio, fault, syslog, vroot ;)
1112846850 M * johnny vroot?
1112846855 M * johnny and how does syslog work?
1112847007 M * Bertl vroot is a quote proxy to allow for secure user/group quota on a separate partition
1112847021 M * Bertl and syslog is a dummy kernel interface to allo klog to be happy
1112847083 M * johnny word
1112847131 M * Bertl word?
1112847141 M * mikegrb sentance
1112847160 M * johnny word is good..
1112847279 M * johnny it's a multi use word
1112847290 M * johnny fit for many purposes 
1112847310 M * Bertl i.c.
1112847326 M * johnny any time you need to express goodness.. you can just say word ..
1112847329 M * johnny word 
1112847350 M * johnny i think it has roots in the underground hiphop scene in the usa..
1112847366 M * johnny they've come up with our best slang for quite awhile now
1112847494 M * Bertl ah, so 'word' is an expression of astonishment in your case?
1112847902 M * johnny yes it can work like that
1112847915 M * johnny or replace the "good" with "word"
1112847933 M * johnny i think this is the only sentence it works in
1112847939 M * johnny "that would be word"
1112847948 M * johnny or "that is word"
1112847955 M * johnny usually it's a reply.
1112847996 M * johnny http://www.rapdict.org/Word
1112848049 M * johnny http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WORD
1112848067 M * johnny here are a few more..
1112848068 M * johnny http://www.urbandictionary.com/browse.php?word=word&x=0&y=0
1112848081 M * johnny so now you now
1112848082 M * micah "word" is typically used as slang for positive agreement
1112848082 M * johnny know*
1112848093 M * micah it is short for "word up"
1112848093 M * johnny look at those other definitions micah :)
1112848100 M * johnny aha.. good point..
1112848147 M * Bertl interesting ... 
1112848221 M * johnny micah.. don't forget "word is bond"
1112848238 M * micah I dont know word is bond
1112848243 M * micah argh, I can't get qemu to work
1112848311 M * micah it just does Uncompressing Linux... OK Booting the kernel. and then does not proceed
1112848331 M * Bertl it probably proceeds, but you do not see any output .. I guess
1112848359 M * micah hmm really... so maybe I need a vga option
1112849426 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed for now ... back later ...
1112849435 M * Bertl have fun folks! cya all in the evening ...
1112849451 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1112868778 P * jsambrook 
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1112873923 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be
1112873923 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at
1112873923 J * brc bruce@200141105098.user.veloxzone.com.br
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1112873923 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1112873923 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net
1112873923 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1112873923 J * sith_ sith@aaronp.com
1112873923 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us
1112873923 J * logger ~rs@vds.pas-mal.com
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1112873923 J * rs ~rs@194.98.28.10
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1112873923 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251
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1112873923 J * Seraph kk@projects.verfaction.de
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1112873923 J * cereal ~cereal@stargate-galaxy.net
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1112873923 J * mugwumptest ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz
1112873923 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@snowman.net
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1112873923 J * BWare ~bware@212.26.196.195
1112873923 J * ensc|w ~ensc@62.153.82.27
1112875533 N * Doener_zZz Doener|gone
1112878676 M * wurd hello
1112878694 M * wurd somebody gave me an url to a tutorial on how to build a kernel but i lost it
1112878700 M * wurd does somebody have one ?
1112878749 M * wurd wait-
1112878753 M * wurd i think i found it :)
1112879164 M * DaCa wurd: for generic info, download a kernel, untar it and read the README, for distribution-specific info, we first need to know which distro you're using :)
1112879233 M * wurd fedora core 3
1112879241 N * Doener|gone Doener
1112879250 M * Doener DaCa: i sent him to http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html
1112879259 M * wurd yes thats it
1112879264 M * Doener it's more elaborate than the README
1112879271 M * wurd i'm currently following it, instead of the readme
1112879304 M * Doener things like 'how to determine which drivers i need' are covered to some extend
1112879357 M * Doener some parts are probably outdated regarding recent 2.6 kernels, but it should be a good start
1112879430 M * wurd so the hardest part in building/compiling a kernel is determining which drivers you need?
1112879511 M * DaCa Doener: looks good, bookmarked in case someone else asks 
1112879616 M * wurd my cpu is ntel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz
1112879639 M * Doener that was just an example, but i'd say so anyway... you can probably only build a non-working kernel if you miss important drivers or choose the wrong arch or things like that... too many drivers are no problem, bloated but it will start... and apart from configuration there are only 5 pretty simple things to do (download, untar, patch, make, install)
1112879667 M * wurd should i choose "Pentium-pro"(default)  OR   "Pentium-4/celeron(p4-based)/pentium-4 M/xeon"   ?
1112879737 M * wurd i'm assuming Pentium-4 but since Pentium-Pro is already selected, maybe the it "guessed" that this was the best choice for this computer ?
1112879786 M * Doener wurd: probably your current kernel uses that setting, there's no auto-detection going on, except that it may(will?) use your current kernel's settings
1112879790 M * Doener so go for p4
1112879878 M * wurd well..what do you think?
1112879892 M * wurd (i dont know what's a pentium pro, to be honest. all i know is that my cpu is a p4)
1112879912 M * Doener 15:16:29 Doener so go for p4
1112879918 M * Doener p4 is short for pentium 4
1112879921 M * Doener ;)
1112880009 M * wurd yeah i know you said 'go for pentium 4' but just before you said that "pentium-pro" is what my current kernel is using
1112880014 M * wurd so wouldnt that be the best choice ?
1112880069 M * wurd (dont get me wrong, im not putting your knowledge in doubt or whatever, i just want to learn :)
1112880075 M * Doener distributions usually don't use specific kernels by default... what would a user with a pentium 2 do, if the kernel was specifically built for pentium 4? ;)
1112880117 M * wurd well... what does "pentium pro" exactly mean ?
1112880160 M * Doener that's a chip released years ago... i guess it was an extended pentium... don't ask me for details, i don't know them ;)
1112880181 M * wurd ok
1112880213 M * wurd does a kernel configuration work, by default, with all the things that are already checked ?
1112880220 M * wurd (by checked i mean enabled(
1112880249 Q * hvd jupiter.oftc.net keid.oftc.net
1112880275 M * Doener that should be your current kernel's settings, so i'd expect them to work... but new options may have been introduced...
1112880276 Q * sith_ oxygen.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1112880276 Q * DaCa oxygen.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1112880313 M * Doener if you only want to check the new settings try (in the kernel source tree): mv .config my-config; make oldconfig
1112880320 J * mikmu mikmu@h64-5-199-35.gtcust.grouptelecom.net
1112880351 M * Doener that backups your made settings as my-config and asks you for the settings for all the new options while keeping the settings for the old options
1112880373 M * wurd ok.. ive tried compiling a 2.6 kernel on a 2.4 kernel but it failed.. when i booted on it, many modules wouldnt load (or it seemed so) and my ethernet card wouldnt work, nor my usb mouse
1112880417 M * Doener for 2.6 using modules you need newer module-init-tools (did i tell you that before?)
1112880436 M * wurd yeah, i downloaded it but .. the problems were still there
1112880445 J * sith sith@aaronp.com
1112880446 M * wurd anyway, now im on fedoracore3 with a 2.6
1112880448 M * wurd kernel
1112880463 M * wurd i expect it to work at least a bit better
1112880487 M * Doener yep, let's see how that turns out, no need to fix old problems :)
1112880617 M * wurd right now im going through all the configuration to see if i need to enable more drivers
1112880653 M * wurd can an enabled driver cause problems? or, are problems only caused by drivers that are NOT enabled?
1112880667 M * Doener good idea, not only to confirm your configuration, but also to get to known the various options
1112880703 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1112880718 M * Doener if the driver is broken, it may cause problems (for example, disabling x25 [networking] is probably a good idea, i doubt that you need it and it seems to have some bugs)
1112880745 M * Doener otherwise an enabled driver just makes your kernel bigger, but that should be it
1112880758 M * wurd ok
1112880820 M * Doener but if you, for example, forget drivers for your filesystem, it won't boot ;) if you built such essential drivers as modules (the checkbox says [m] not [*]) you'll need an initrd (initial ramdisk)... IIRC the howto mentions that
1112880845 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de
1112880862 M * Doener hi Hollow 
1112880868 M * Hollow hey Doener 
1112880908 M * wurd i cant find the x25 youre talking about
1112880992 M * Doener Device Drivers -> Networking Support -> Networking Options -> CCITT X.25 Packet Layer
1112881013 M * Doener if you didn't enable experimental drivers it won't show up at all (which is also fine)
1112881068 M * mikmu what is this ng9.4?
1112881082 M * prae DaPhreak: coin :)
1112881151 M * Doener micah: next generation networking. it adds virtual networking devices and such stuff... still experimental... you're welcome to test it, but it's not recommended for production usage
1112881194 J * click click@dsl-static-122-208.aal.tiscali.no
1112881205 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1112881210 M * Doener morning Bertl!
1112881213 M * mikmu I think I'll stay away then, running 1.9 and it seems to bo going well.  I need to read more docs to really figure out how things run, but stull seems to work sofar
1112881237 M * Bertl morning folks!
1112881263 M * wurd is it normal that i cant find 'networking options'
1112881273 M * mikmu Had some trouble with HUP signals sent to daemons in vservers, would stop but not restart the daemon.  Just changed my init scripts to stop and start instead of reload
1112881278 M * mikmu Hi Bertl
1112881282 M * Doener wurd: should be the second entry...
1112881297 M * Doener it's a little indented
1112881338 M * wurd below networking support, i only have: amateur radio support, IrDA(infrared) support, and bluetooth support
1112881346 M * wurd thats it
1112881370 M * Bertl mikmu: your precise kernel version is?
1112881377 M * wurd (thats under the 'networking support' level)
1112881402 M * mikmu hmm, kernel was 2.6.10, can't remember what vserver version it was
1112881420 M * mikmu just compiled 2.6.11.6 with the latest vserver
1112881430 M * Bertl and you have the HUP issue too?
1112881476 M * Doener wurd: uhm... that seems _very_ strange to me... anyway, got to go, my mother got a birthday ;) guess Bertl will help you...
1112881485 M * Bertl wurd: which kernel are you using/compiling?
1112881485 M * Doener later folks!
1112881489 N * Doener Doener|gone
1112881502 M * Bertl happy birthday to your mother!
1112881513 M * wurd later Doener|gone , thanks
1112881524 M * wurd Bertl im using 2.6 and trying to compile 2.6
1112881556 M * Doener|gone Bertl: i'll let you know what she says when i sent greetings from you ;)
1112881561 M * Bertl ah, and I thought 2.0! (please provide some _details_ ;)
1112881575 M * Bertl Doener|gone: excellent!
1112881589 M * mikmu Bertl: haven't rebooted yet, going to give it a go.  Maybe I did something wrong when installing this vserver, because I didn't have problems with other vservers
1112881621 M * wurd 2.6.9-1.667   thats my current kernel. and im trying to build 2.6.11.5
1112881654 M * wurd Doener|gone told me to disable 'x25' but i cant find it, as i told him, i only have 3 things below 'networking support' and according to him its strange
1112881788 M * mikmu hmm, wierd.  I'm having trouble building the latest util-vserver
1112881817 Q * DaCa Server closed connection
1112881826 M * Bertl wurd: why 2.6.11.5?
1112881834 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1112881907 M * wurd no reason..
1112881918 M * wurd i just need to build a kernel for vserver
1112881922 M * wurd thats all i know
1112881945 M * Bertl okay, sec
1112882098 M * mikmu I think my problems compiling util-vserver might be related to dietlibc, but I have that installed, along with the dev package, 0.25.  odd
1112882448 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1112882460 M * Bertl_oO back in a few (emergency)
1112882463 M * wurd what should i do? last time i built my kernel, my networkcard didnt work. now, there are strangely not enough things below 'networking support'...
1112882705 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving
1112882772 M * mikmu there a util-vserver support channel out there?
1112882778 Q * erwan_taf Quit: Leaving
1112882783 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.68
1112882784 Q * erwan_taf Quit: 
1112882797 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.68
1112882836 M * daniel_hozac this would probably be it.
1112882857 M * mikmu ah, just having compilation problems
1112882873 M * mikmu I'll play around a little more, to see if I can figure it out, then I'll come back
1112883162 M * mikmu nope, have all the requirements, but  I still get errors compiling: lib/lib_libvserver_a-syscall.o
1112883176 M * mikmu I'll just try version 202 instead, that might compile
1112883182 M * daniel_hozac what kind of errors?
1112883198 M * mikmu is there a paste page somewhere I can use?
1112883226 M * daniel_hozac pastebin.com usually works.
1112883296 M * mikmu http://pastebin.ca/9016
1112883305 M * mikmu That's the end of my compile process
1112883345 M * daniel_hozac what compiler is that?
1112883359 M * mikmu gcc version 3.3.3
1112883634 M * mikmu 0.30.204 compiled cleanly
1112883943 M * mikmu the upgrades didn't help my hup and usr1 problems though, so I'll just stick with my custom init.d scripts
1112884360 N * mugwumptest mugwump
1112885749 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1112885797 M * Bertl wurd: try with 1.9.5.6 (the x25 issues are fixed there), btw, what .config do you use?
1112885829 M * Bertl mikmu: so you are saying that USR1 signals are not delivered properly?
1112885927 M * mikmu I'm not quite sure, I'm no expoert.  All I know is that when I run /etc/init.d/apache reload, it shuts off apache and doesn't restart it.  Same with spamassassin.  I assume that running kill -s HUP or kill -s USR1 on most daemons is supposed to restart them
1112886028 M * Bertl hmm, okay, and apache instead of reloading just vanishes?
1112886046 M * mikmu yup, nothing left in ps aux
1112886058 M * Bertl what does it log?
1112886128 M * mikmu [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
1112886143 M * mikmu that's the last line in the log
1112886151 M * Bertl and youre sure you send SIGUSR1?
1112886152 M * mikmu might not be a vserver issue at all
1112886181 M * mikmu start-stop-daemon --stop --pidfile $PIDFILE --signal USR1 --exec $DAEMON is the default debian init script
1112886343 M * mikmu but running kill -s USR1 on the apache pid gives the same result, shuts down apache, no restart
1112886500 M * mikmu apachectl restart is the same., same result with spamassassin.  I only have one other vserver, and it runs it's important services with daemontools so I never noticed any problem
1112886653 M * Bertl okay, which kernel is that now? (what patches do you use?)
1112886694 N * kevinp|gone kevinp
1112886753 M * kevinp Morning Bertl!
1112886803 M * Bertl morning kevinp!
1112887098 M * wurd Bertl 
1112887112 M * wurd ive found the x25 thing. i just didnt look well enough
1112887121 M * wurd now i think im ready to build
1112887131 M * wurd is there something i should know before doing it ?
1112887152 M * Bertl question is, where is your .config from?
1112887175 M * wurd i did xconfig ...
1112887186 M * Bertl ah, and configured all from scratch?
1112887200 M * wurd well, whats "scratch"
1112887220 M * wurd ?
1112887254 M * Bertl I mean, you didn't use any 'old' config, right?
1112887296 M * wurd well, no, i think not. i extracted the kernel, then went inside its directory and executed 'xconfig' then saved as '.config'
1112887545 M * wurd is it ok?
1112887795 M * micah can someone tell me what the cfg-directory is supposed to be?
1112887801 M * micah         sysconf-Directory: /etc/vservers
1112887801 M * micah             cfg-Directory: /etc/vservers/vservers
1112887822 M * micah thats when I configure util-vserver with --sysconfdir=/etc/vservers
1112887954 M * daniel_hozac /etc would be the appropriate arg.
1112888086 Q * sannes Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112888108 M * micah daniel_hozac: it then puts /etc/vservers.conf -- shouldn't that be in /etc/vservers?
1112888140 M * kevinp I noticed that too on my last install
1112888581 M * Bertl micah: where would you place your sysconfig dir?
1112888593 M * Bertl mine is at /etc ;)
1112888618 M * micah Bertl: yes, mine is as well, but what is the cfg-Directory?
1112888619 M * mikmu Bertl: sorry, was away for dinner:  2.6.11.6-vs1.9.5.12
1112888652 M * Bertl mikmu: the cfg dir is the dir the vserver tools will use
1112888678 M * Bertl typically it's $sysconfig_dir/vservers
1112888680 M * micah ah, ok, that makes sense
1112888709 M * micah last question then is... is /etc/vservers.conf supposed to go there when you set $sysconfig_dir=/etc ?
1112888717 M * Bertl mikmu: okay, going to verify that ... just a minute
1112888755 M * Bertl micah: probably ... but I don#t know for sure
1112888789 M * micah Bertl: btw. I am running the debian 2.6.8-15-vs1.9.5.12 kernel, and so far so good :)
1112888808 M * Bertl 1.9.5.12?
1112888864 M * Bertl micah: you probably mean 1.9.5-2 and did you enable the debugging stuff yet?
1112888875 M * micah sorry, I meant -2
1112888894 M * micah Bertl: which debugging stuff?
1112888914 M * Bertl the vserver debugging stuff and the ekrnel debugging stuff ;)
1112888968 M * Bertl (if not, you should do so, I already spottet some issues with that ;)
1112888972 J * ripman leukejong@d594e3d7.dsl.concepts.nl
1112888978 M * Bertl welcome ripman!
1112888992 M * ripman hi
1112889016 M * Zoiah 'lo ripman :)
1112889020 M * ripman heheh
1112889023 M * ripman gek
1112889070 M * micah Bertl: you mean in the kernel configuration
1112889082 M * Bertl yep
1112889175 M * micah ok, I will do that
1112889281 M * wurd Bertl is it ok ?
1112889295 M * Bertl well, works fine here .. sleep was killed with
1112889301 M * Bertl killall -USR1 sleep
1112889310 M * Bertl and received user signal 1
1112889317 M * wurd Bertl> I mean, you didn't use any 'old' config, right?
1112889317 M * wurd <wurd> well, no, i think not. i extracted the kernel, then went inside its directory and executed 'xconfig' then saved as '.config'
1112889379 M * Bertl apache here does ignore USR1 and HUP
1112889395 M * Bertl well, maybe not ignore, but nothing bad happens
1112889413 M * Bertl wurd: yes, that is fine
1112889425 M * wurd ok
1112889427 M * wurd thanks<
1112889458 M * Bertl mikmu: could you verify that you indeed send USR1 or HUP and apache receives TERM?
1112889533 M * mikmu Bertl: how would I do that, to send it, i'd do kill -s USR1 `cat /var/run/apache.pid`, how do I verify that apache receives TERM?
1112889556 M * ripman anyone has a good link/documentation for installing vserveron debian sarge with kernel 2.6 ?thanks
1112889629 M * Bertl mikmu: could you try kill -s SIGUSR1 `cat /var/run/apache.pid`
1112889679 M * mikmu from my error.log, I get: [notice] SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
1112889683 M * mikmu but it doesn't restart
1112889706 M * Bertl well, that looks like an apache issue then, no?
1112889788 M * Bertl before you reported that it said 'received TERM signal'
1112889836 M * mikmu That's what I would have thought as well, but spamd doesn't restart on sigusr1 either, and these packages worked find on the native host
1112889916 M * mikmu I thought it might be a known vserver issue, but if no one else has come upon it, then it just must be something I did wrong
1112890379 M * Bertl you sure the same package/config works fine on the host?
1112890496 M * mikmu fairly sure, it's a plain apache debian package with only the standard modules loaded, but I can't say for fure without further testing.  If I get around to doing decent testing, I'll come back with more info.  Until then, we'll assume that it's something that I screwed up.  No use wasting more of your time until I'm sure and that I have some log files and specific sequences worked out.
1112890523 M * Bertl okay ...
1112890532 M * mikmu thanks for your help
1112890540 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1112890658 M * micah Bertl: should I compile in History tracing as well?
1112890722 M * micah Bertl: and, I have kernel debugging in the mainline compiled in, but what about the other kernel hacking options (Early printk; Check for stack overflows; Stack utilization instrumentation; Debug memory allocations; Spinlock debugging; Page alloc debugging etc.)
1112890788 M * Bertl yep, compile in everything which isn't too expensive ...
1112890830 M * Bertl okay, folks, I'm off for now .. I'll be back later ...
1112890836 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1112890906 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting
1112891819 J * complexho ~complexmi@funk.gotadsl.co.uk
1112892311 J * monrad ~monrad@x1-6-00-09-6b-3f-ee-63.k138.webspeed.dk
1112893285 J * muadda ~muadda@gar31-1-82-234-50-167.fbx.proxad.net
1112893740 M * wurd in a tutorial it says :
1112893764 M * wurd  If everything went correctly then the new kernel should exist in ./arch/$ARCH/boot. For example, on IA32 systems we can verify this with:   $ls -l arch/i386/boot
1112893782 M * wurd what should the kernel look like, whats it's filename ?
1112893826 M * muadda wurd, bzImage or vmlinuz ... something like that
1112893868 M * wurd i got bzImage 
1112893881 M * wurd and vmlinux.bin
1112893991 M * muadda bzImage
1112894004 M * wurd if i get errors while "make modules"
1112894019 M * wurd what should i do
1112894066 M * muadda depends on what the errors says
1112894079 M * muadda what kernel version are you trying to compile?
1112894311 M * wurd 2.6.11.5, im on fedoracore3, on 2.6.something
1112894318 M * wurd the errors are warnings
1112894361 M * wurd value to return "copy to user" ignored, declared with the 'warn_unused_result' attribute
1112894377 M * wurd (my system is french so i had to translate the warning)
1112894428 M * muadda my system is french too ;) You can translate in english with "LANG=C make modules" instead of "make modules"
1112894445 M * muadda I don't know what your warning means
1112894517 M * muadda it works with lots of commands: if you want to see "man ls" in english, you can use "LANG=C man ls"
1112894636 M * wurd je suis francais donc pas besoin
1112894637 M * wurd include/asm/uaccess.h: In function `raw1394_read':
1112894638 M * wurd drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.c:446: attention : valeur à retourner « __copy_to_user » ignorée, déclarée avec l'attribut warn_unused_result
1112894670 M * wurd drivers/isdn/capi/capidrv.c:2108:3: attention : #warning FIXME: maybe a race condition the card should be removed here from global list /kkeil
1112894683 M * wurd drivers/isdn/hisax/config.c: In function `HiSax_readstatus':
1112894683 M * wurd drivers/isdn/hisax/config.c:634: attention : valeur à retourner « copy_to_user » ignorée, déclaré avec l'attribut warn_unused_result
1112894683 M * wurd drivers/isdn/hisax/config.c:645: attention : valeur à retourner « copy_to_user » ignorée, déclaré avec l'attribut warn_unused_result
1112894775 M * wurd et des comme ca j'en ai des trentaines :
1112894777 M * wurd rivers/isdn/hysdn/boardergo.c: In function `ergo_stopcard':
1112894777 M * wurd drivers/isdn/hysdn/boardergo.c:141: attention : « save_flags » est obsolète (déclaré à include/linux/interrupt.h:73)
1112894777 M * wurd drivers/isdn/hysdn/boardergo.c:142: attention : « cli » est obsolète (déclaré à include/linux/interrupt.h:65)
1112894777 M * wurd drivers/isdn/hysdn/boardergo.c:151: attention : « restore_flags » est obsolète (déclaré à include/linux/interrupt.h:78)
1112894777 M * wurd drivers/isdn/hysdn/boardergo.c: In function `ergo_set_errlog_state':
1112894784 M * wurd euh... UNE trentaine, plutot
1112894812 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no
1112894818 M * wurd drivers/isdn/sc/init.c:505: attention : passage de l'argument n°1 de « readl » transforme un entier en pointeur sans transtypage        
1112894847 M * muadda I'm french too, but the english messages are useful for search the web.
1112894879 M * muadda Is all your warnings only for isdn? if so, and if you don't use that, you can disable it
1112894989 M * eyck Bertl: how do you like your new linux distribution, Mantrivia?
1112895002 M * eyck er, sorry, Mandriva
1112895063 M * wurd im getting those msgs now
1112895065 M * wurd rivers/mtd/chips/cfi_cmdset_0020.c: In function `cfi_staa_init':
1112895065 M * wurd drivers/mtd/chips/cfi_cmdset_0020.c:1406: attention : « inter_module_register » est obsolète (déclaré à include/linux/module.h:573)
1112895118 M * wurd rivers/net/dgrs.c: In function `dgrs_init_module':
1112895118 M * wurd drivers/net/dgrs.c:1552: attention : variable inutilisée « eisacount »
1112895133 M * wurd is this bad?
1112895165 M * wurd include/linux/mca-legacy.h:12:2: attention : #warning "MCA legacy - please move your driver to the new sysfs api"
1112895261 Q * mikmu Quit: 
1112895287 M * wurd drivers/net/cs89x0.c:177: attention : « netcard_portlist » défini mais n'a pas été utilisé
1112895699 M * eyck        
1112899000 J * prae ~prae@sherpadown.net
1112899594 Q * wurd Quit: brb
1112900546 Q * lilo Quit: bbiab
1112900576 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1112901415 Q * muadda Quit: Leaving
1112901797 Q * complexho Remote host closed the connection
1112903416 N * Doener|gone Doener
1112903424 M * Doener evening folks
1112903468 M * DaCa hi Doener
1112904768 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1112904950 Q * erwan_ho Quit: 
1112904953 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1112905166 Q * prae Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112905470 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg
1112905475 M * Nik hi all
1112905956 Q * Nik Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112906012 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg
1112906906 Q * Nik Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112907439 J * Nik ~Nik@cable-153-130.online.bg
1112907450 Q * ripman Quit: 
1112907976 M * Doener Hollow: the util-vserver 0.30.205-r1 ebuild doesn't use the new vserver.confd
1112908022 M * Doener newins ${FILESDIR}/vservers.confd vservers
1112908038 M * Doener should be: 	newins ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/vservers.confd vservers
1112908042 M * Doener i guess... ;)
1112908045 N * Pazzo PazZzzzooo
1112908170 Q * PazZzzzooo Quit: ...
1112908240 M * kevinp I've got a server running 2.4.27-vs1.29-rc2 and I am trying to assign a second IP address to a vserver in it's conf file
1112908275 M * kevinp like this IPROOT="1.2.3.4 2.3.4.5" but the second one has overwritten the first
1112908288 M * kevinp instead of allowing both.  Any ideas?
1112908332 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving
1112908356 M * Doener kevinp: try adding interface and netmask
1112908378 M * Doener i.e. IPROOT="eth0:x.x.x.x/y.y.y.y eth0:a.a.a.a/b.b.b.b"
1112908530 M * kevinp Doener: when I try that I get:
1112908551 M * kevinp SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
1112908551 M * kevinp eth1:domain: unknown interface: No such device
1112908551 M * kevinp SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
1112908551 M * kevinp SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device
1112908551 M * kevinp eth1:domain: unknown interface: No such device
1112908563 M * kevinp where domain was substituted for real domain
1112908586 M * kevinp oops I did the second as eth1 not eth0
1112908596 M * kevinp let me try that
1112908683 M * kevinp no errors, but only second ip works
1112908707 M * kevinp can you assign more than one IPROOTDEV?
1112908718 M * Doener how do you test that only the second one works?
1112908750 M * kevinp I try to ping them both
1112908772 M * Doener hm, that would mean that only the second one is setup at all
1112908788 M * Doener check with ifconfig please
1112908872 M * kevinp with ifconfig it shows only the second IP address
1112908890 M * Doener how long is the vserver's name?
1112908894 M * kevinp (from within the vserver)
1112908895 M * kevinp long
1112908909 M * Doener ok, that's the problem then...
1112908913 M * kevinp looks like 14 characters
1112908925 M * Doener the full interface address name can only contain up to 15 characters
1112908935 M * Doener that includes the "eth0:"
1112908977 M * kevinp I'll shorten it down and try again
1112908981 M * Doener i've once written a patch to cut the interface address names... if your vservers' names differ in the first few (say 8) chracters you can use that... (if i find it)
1112909022 M * Doener unfortunately the patch requires you to shutdown all running vservers with longer names first (otherwise funny things may happen)
1112909072 M * Doener (not necessarily funny to those using the patch ;)
1112909093 M * Doener so just shortening the names may be the better option for you
1112909161 M * kevinp ok, now that I know I can make adjustments
1112909169 M * kevinp It worked, by the way
1112909173 M * kevinp thanks a lot
1112909177 M * Doener you're welcome
1112909192 M * kevinp so is this just in the older versions that I've got running?
1112909252 M * Doener the 'just-cut-the-name-for-the-interface-address-names'-patch was never applied, alpha tools use the netlink stuff to setup networking and therefore don't rely on those names at all
1112909261 M * Doener i.e. such problems will never show up
1112909396 M * kevinp ok, cool, thanks!
1112909499 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection
1112909555 M * Nik Doener: got some minutes for my questions? i'm trying to get the hard cpu limits to work (again) annd i am missing something... i don't really know what
1112909605 M * Doener well, i can try, but i (still) didn't use that stuff myself... but maybe i've read enough stuff about it ;)
1112909676 M * Nik Doener I had it working once... 2.6.7 or 2.6.8 kernel.. now, using 2.6.10 i can't recall if i need some extra patch or shoult it just work out of the box
1112909736 M * Doener should work ootb... if you want hard cpu limit aka schedhard and not just schedprio, you need to enable that in the kernel configuration
1112909761 M * Doener CONFIG_VSERVER_HARDCPU
1112909772 M * Nik Doener is enabled 
1112909809 A * Doener feels being enabled ;)
1112909817 M * Nik Doener what values schuld i use? 
1112909819 M * kevinp must be nice :)
1112909839 M * Doener Nik: well, whatever you want ;)
1112909863 M * Nik Doener oops.. ok, 
1112909866 M * Doener depends on what you want to do, there are no magical solve-everything values ;)
1112909876 M * Nik Doener: CONFIG_VSERVER_HARDCPU=y
1112909920 M * Doener got a cpuhog at hand?
1112909924 M * Nik Doener: i mean do these values correspond to MHz, BogoMIPS or % of the CPU time?
1112909934 M * Doener neither nor
1112909952 M * Nik Doener: CPU what? err... 
1112909957 A * Nik feels stupid
1112909968 M * Doener no need to do that...
1112909994 M * Doener a cpu hog is just a program that hogs the cpu, i.e. uses as much cpu time as possible
1112910016 M * Doener http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/cpuhog.c
1112910021 M * Doener there we go
1112910025 M * Nik Doener: ok, i got cpuburn-in, which does the same :-)
1112910032 M * Doener fine
1112910076 M * Doener you can start that in a vserver, start modifying the values and watch the process to see the effects
1112910095 M * Doener the schedhard is based on a token bucket...
1112910137 M * Nik Doener: that's why i am asking.. values soft 80, hard 100 for vs1, 50, 80 for vs2 and vtop shows both processes use ca. 45% CPU each
1112910200 M * Doener every A ticks the context gets B tokens up to C tokens maximum. if it has more than D tokens it may run, while running, the context uses up one token every tick(? don't know when exactly a token is used up)
1112910227 M * Doener Nik: ah! you're settings cpu rlimits?
1112910248 M * Doener that's a totally different thing and limits the cpu time _in total_ that the context may use
1112910284 M * Doener i.e. after using 100 seconds of cpu time, your vs1 would be killed
1112910293 M * Doener vs2 would be killed after 80 seconds
1112910303 M * Nik Doener: uups...
1112910325 M * Nik Doener: ok, good to know and good to test on a non productional server ;-)
1112910337 M * Doener as your processes are using 45% cpu each, that would be around 210 seconds real time
1112910348 M * Doener s/processes/contexts/
1112910364 M * Doener ... and those 210 seconds are for vs1
1112910425 M * Nik Doener: ok, i got the point
1112910454 M * Nik Doener: so, how can I set the limits for the token buckets?
1112910459 M * Doener the sched{hard,prio} settings can be set and read via vsched
1112910477 M * Doener s/and read//
1112910499 M * Doener you can check the values in /proc/virtual/<xid>/sched
1112910532 M * Nik Doener: ok, that sounds more reasonable :-) 
1112910547 M * Doener you can save the values in the configuration in the "schedule" file, see flower page
1112910555 M * Nik Doener: 10x, i'll play with that :-)
1112910572 M * Nik Doener: flower page was moved iirc
1112910573 M * Doener you're welcome
1112910577 M * Doener http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1112910599 M * Nik Doener: ok, 10x again :-)
1112910607 M * Doener are there still broken links to that on the wiki? if so, please fix them, i didn't see any
1112910626 Q * ciphernaut Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112911081 Q * Nik Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1112911519 J * kepler kepler@219.Red-80-59-35.pooles.rima-tde.net
1112911667 P * kepler 
1112912478 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1112912489 M * Bertl evening folks!
1112912530 M * Doener hey Bertl1
1112912535 M * Doener s/1/!/
1112912545 M * Bertl hey Doener! everything fine?
1112912553 M * Doener yep
1112912618 M * Doener my mum was like: "who?" - "Bertl" - "who's that?" - "some great programmer from vienna" - "ah... ok... well, ask him if he wants to come around on a drink *g*" ;)
1112912673 M * Bertl well, I would love to ... 
1112912748 M * Bertl so what did I miss this evening?
1112912780 M * Doener btw, when was your talk at LinuxWochen again? get to know that my grandpa visits some relatives in vienna in may (IIRC, can't memorize dates ;)... _maybe_ i can sort out some way to get there...
1112912793 M * Doener s/get to know/i got to know/
1112912804 M * Bertl sec, I have to check myself ;)
1112912892 M * Bertl Thursday, right after Xen ;)
1112912914 M * Medivh hm, any apache gurus around? :>
1112912916 M * Medivh hi btw
1112912922 M * Doener you missed: wurd's compilation warnings (in french), problems with too long vservername causing trouble with old tools and multiple ip addresses (because of the interface name length limit) and configuration problems with the hard cpu scheduler... except wurd's issues (he left), all solved
1112912958 M * Bertl ah, well, can't read french, so I didn't miss anything there ;)
1112912971 M * Bertl and btw, excellent work! thanks a lot!
1112912985 M * Bertl Medivh: what do you need regarding apache?
1112912992 M * Medivh say i got a web server with 250 customers on it, each customer gets an own errorlog in their virtualhosts... now, when rotating those logs, i can either reload apache after every log (so it will reload 250 times in a relatively short period of time), or i can let logrotate rotate all 250 logs and reload then... if i do the latter, depending on how long rotating logs takes, errors might not get logged
1112912992 M * Doener Medivh: just give us something to think about, we don't know if we're a guru in the area in which you need one ;)
1112912997 M * Medivh i was thinking to use a pipelogger script so i don't need to reload apache at all, but i can't find a way to give that script the name of the virtualhost an error is logged for, so i cannot split into user directories... anyone got a solution? :>
1112913025 M * SiD3WiNDR hmm I already read that today ;)
1112913034 M * daniel_hozac Medivh: %V in the log format
1112913035 M * Doener Medivh: errors _get_ logged... renaming does not cause apache to lose the file
1112913044 M * Bertl Mandrake (the distro I'm using) has something called advxsplitlog ...
1112913045 M * daniel_hozac Medivh: oh, errors, sorry.
1112913059 M * Doener of course you should not compress the old logs immediately 
1112913183 M * Medivh Doener, hm, well, yeah, guess i could first rotate everything, then restart apache, then compress
1112913199 M * Doener Medivh: logrotate got a delaycompress option
1112913211 M * Doener that should work just fine without losing any log entries AFAIK
1112913228 M * Medivh ah... so it will compress only after the postrotate script has been run?
1112913255 M * Bertl do we have any native english speaker around today?
1112913281 M * Doener Medivh: it will compress the log from the last run...
1112913306 M * Doener assuming no rotation happened before and we got 'log' as our log file
1112913309 M * Doener we get:
1112913317 M * Doener before first logrotation: log
1112913325 M * Doener after first rotation: log log.0
1112913337 M * Doener after second rotation: log log.0 log.1.gz
1112913339 M * Doener and so on
1112913350 M * Medivh aaah, i see
1112913362 M * Doener thus apache can happily continue writing to log.0 until logrotate does the compression
1112913411 M * Doener (apache uses log.0 until you restart it, because it is the file that apache opened, called 'log' back then)
1112913416 M * Medivh guess that'll have to do then... i would have preferred a solution where i don't have to reload apache at all (and still making it start a new log), but guess that's only possible for customlog/transferlog without patching the source
1112913677 J * cimarron ~cimarron@host182.201-252-13.telecom.net.ar
1112913683 M * Bertl welcome cimarron!
1112913739 M * Zoiah Medivh: that's probably a better solution, yes. :)
1112913777 M * Medivh Zoiah, ah, you're here, too :>
1112913784 M * Zoiah I'm everywhere!
1112913785 M * Zoiah ;)
1112914342 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk
1112914350 M * Doener welcome monrad 
1112914885 M * Doener Bertl: btw, is there any special reason why your todo list is listed under "regarding Commercial implementations"? (just curious)
1112914914 M * Bertl no, I guess somebody (maybe me) just moved it there .. 
1112914953 M * monrad hi
1112914965 M * Doener ok :)
1112915923 Q * cimarron Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12
1112915929 M * kevinp Did you need some British English or American English help Bertl?
1112916144 M * Bertl well, probably either one would be fine ...
1112916212 M * Bertl just preparing the article for the FSM, and could use some help ...
1112916462 M * kevinp I can help for a few minutes
1112916499 M * Bertl I can upload the intro part ...
1112916522 M * kevinp sounds good
1112916545 M * Bertl I guess I put it into the wiki, you can edit it there ...
1112916556 M * kevinp sure
1112916840 M * Bertl maybe as context, there is first an introduction into the different virtualization techniques (not from myself) and then an article about the advantages of Xen ...
1112916867 M * Bertl then there is the Linux-VServer article ...
1112916874 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Linux2.6/index.php?page=LSM_Paper
1112916905 M * Bertl (this is my rant against the misuse of virtualization, aka. Introduction)
1112916934 M * Bertl after that, I'll continue with Linux-VServer specific stuff ...
1112916952 J * complexho ~ComplexMi@funk.gotadsl.co.uk
1112916959 A * Doener takes a peek, too
1112916962 M * Bertl welcome complexho!
1112916969 M * complexho hi Bertl :)
1112916973 M * kevinp ok, so you want me to go in and fix grammer, etc?
1112916989 M * Bertl Doener, kevinp: please feel free to add/comment/fix/etc
1112917024 M * kevinp s/grammer/grammar/ :)
1112917043 M * Bertl yeah, now that you mention it, syntax too ;)
1112917056 M * complexho Bertl: is there anything the project needs at the moment infrastructure wise like a mirror, cvs server, build box or anything like that?
1112917062 M * kevinp Having not really used a wiki before, can we both modify at the same time?
1112917092 M * Bertl yes, just merging might pose difficult later ;)
1112917120 M * Bertl complexho: mirror, cvs: guess no ... build/test box: probably depends ...
1112917129 M * kevinp How formal is this article?
1112917130 M * Doener kevinp: not too well, i guess... but as i'm not a native speaker, i'll probably only comment on the content and not modify directly
1112917142 M * kevinp ok
1112917150 M * Bertl kevinp: as formal as we like it ;)
1112917197 M * complexho I can only offer x86, but do have an 8CPU build box, plenty of nice hardware and 2TB SAN ;)
1112917223 M * complexho and a fast connection
1112917241 M * Bertl sounds good, what do you have in mind?
1112917242 M * Doener Bertl: uhm, before i forget (again), which Thursday? (as i didn't expect to get to LinuxWochen at all, i didn't memorize any details, like the location at which you talk ;)
1112917297 M * Bertl it's Vienna so it has to be the 26th of May ;)
1112917298 M * complexho dunno, been using vserver for years but never really contributed anything back...  I'm in a good position to contribute this kind of stuff atm
1112917341 M * complexho would like to help if I can, as I'm only becoming more dependant on vserver over time
1112917344 M * Bertl okay, so there is an 8 way x86 waiting for development, or?
1112917378 M * complexho well it's used as a build/staging box but hardly used at all.  should be in datacaentre withni a couple of weeks (currently @ office)
1112917381 M * Bertl I'm just trying to figure the conditions and details ...
1112917434 M * Bertl the SAN sounds really good, what about traffic in general?
1112917434 M * complexho well I say 8 way - sorry that's not actually right it's a 4-way HT XEON 2.0 w/4GB RAM and 1/2TB on board
1112917449 M * Bertl that's basically 8way in my book!
1112917464 M * complexho how do you mean - is it loaded up?
1112917519 M * Bertl no, I mean, if we generate traffic, at what point are you going to throw us out?
1112917537 M * complexho what sort of traffic do you have in mind? ;)
1112917566 M * Bertl really depends, but you know current tools use apt-rpm and debootstrap, which in turn use archives ...
1112917602 M * Bertl (of course, there is the possibility of local archives and such stuff ... again just trying to figure the limits here)
1112917646 M * complexho I can accomodate CPU load on the non-production servers and I/O shouldn't be too much of a problem.  I would have to put it to the guys if you wanted to do something substantial but we have 2x100Mb redundant links
1112917732 M * Bertl so is/will be that machine in use by you/your company?
1112917733 M * complexho I am already looking into setting up a Yam archive as it happens maybe I could accomodate you in there?  Not planning to do a full mirror, just our own software which we are hurriedly preparing for release
1112917837 M * complexho yes it would be in use on and off, but I would propose setting up a dedicated vserver for your use.  The base OS is currently FC3 but a fresh install is planned so it could run anything in principle. If youmean could you install the kernel locally and reboot it for testing then that wouldn't be practical
1112917871 M * Bertl ah, okay, that's an important detail ...
1112917905 M * complexho but if you do need a box to really boot around then I could possibly arrange that also
1112917917 M * Bertl how are you planning to handle kernel updates on that machine?
1112917926 M * kevinp Bertl, I'm a little lost on the last paragraph, what might scare people off?
1112917960 M * complexho on the 8-way? 
1112917987 M * complexho I see what you mean...  Interesting point
1112917997 M * Bertl kevinp: hmm, well, I got the feeling that it might look like I wanted to ... but if you think that is bogus, please change it
1112918015 M * Bertl kevinp: next paragraph basically goes like this:
1112918023 M * Bertl Linux-VServer is a project which tries to find the
1112918023 M * Bertl happy medium between system virtualization and application
1112918024 J * ciphernaut ~a@61.88.18.130
1112918024 M * complexho would you need to constantly update the kernel on the 8-way?
1112918025 M * Bertl virtualization, by doing as little ..
1112918056 M * Bertl complexho: well, I can see a bunch of different fields of application ...
1112918068 M * Bertl a) as a test system for the tools
1112918084 M * Bertl b) as a distcc/client for compiling
1112918117 M * Bertl c) as a distro/template example host for interested folks
1112918145 M * Bertl the following things seem not applicable from what I figured yet
1112918156 M * complexho a) would you actually need the box to test the tools though, surely any box could do that (I could provide a sacrifical box certainly)
1112918162 M * Bertl d) kernel test system (8-way SMP is nice ;)
1112918174 M * complexho although my last build on the FC was around 20secs ;)
1112918181 M * kevinp yeah, I don't see anything scary, you are listing the pros not the cons...
1112918189 M * complexho that is - 200+pkgs
1112918234 M * Bertl kevinp: okay, let's remove that paragraph then
1112918257 M * complexho compiling - fine... plenty of spare cpu... works inside vserver
1112918270 M * Bertl complexho: for a) I hade something like 4-6 vserver, each with a certain distro in mind ...
1112918293 M * complexho c) interesting - do you mean live demo or like a template server (I like the sound of the second and would be interrested in helping set that up)
1112918325 M * Bertl b) okay, be realistic, make it 10 vserver, but not really with load, just compile environment
1112918342 M * complexho b) fine
1112918367 M * kevinp ok, I've saved it
1112918374 M * Bertl thanks a lot!
1112918389 M * kevinp np, heading home, hope it helps!