1110499240 M * pusling is there vserver remove-tool ?
1110499243 M * DukeGangsta|aw is "module-install" really necessary? because there are no modules in /boot.. what's the name of those modules?
1110499292 M * pusling DukeGangsta|aw: you might need the iptables modules
1110499336 M * DukeGangsta|aw hmm.. but there is an error when i do "make modules_install
1110499337 M * DukeGangsta|aw grml
1110499557 Q * Doener_zZz Server closed connection
1110499575 J * Doener_zZz doener@193.24.208.125
1110499875 M * pusling should the content of /etc/vserver/vserver-name/run be like 
1110499876 M * pusling S_CONTEXT=6
1110499877 M * pusling S_PROFILE=
1110499881 M * pusling ?
1110500002 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@iits01188.inlink.com
1110500064 M * Bertl pusling: no, not really ...
1110500242 M * DukeGangsta|aw Linux R245223 2.6.11.2-unitedcolo #1 SMP Thu Mar 10 16:36:43 CET 2005 i686 unknown
1110500251 M * DukeGangsta|aw I AM THE NEW KERNEL GOD! ;D
1110500263 M * DukeGangsta|aw my first new kernel has booted
1110500322 M * Bertl congrats!
1110500371 M * DukeGangsta|aw so, what's next ;)
1110500387 M * Bertl patching .. with vserver patches of course
1110500406 M * pusling hmm... I have a few options in my vserver-name.conf-file, that I don't know where to put: ONBOOT, ULIMIT
1110500416 M * DukeGangsta|aw pathing what? the kernel?
1110500430 M * Bertl hmm, you said you already did that IIRC, but why doesn't it have a proper name then?
1110500479 M * DukeGangsta|aw i already patched the kernel before compiling it
1110500517 M * DukeGangsta|aw why is there no install-file to install vserver ;(
1110500529 M * pusling DukeGangsta|aw: apt-get install util-vserver ?
1110500532 M * Bertl pusling: ONBOOT -> mark
1110500564 J * anonymous-coward ~nwalsh@shaggy.internode.com.au
1110500571 M * Bertl ULIMIT -> rlimits
1110500783 M * pusling hmmm.. I have upgraded the tools - how do I_stop a vserver (vserver not running )
1110500807 M * pusling is the message
1110500834 M * Bertl well, if it is not running, then you can't stop it
1110500882 M * pusling it is running. But I have converted the config-file to config directory
1110500893 M * Bertl without stoping it before?
1110500908 M * pusling yes
1110500911 M * Bertl okay, no big deal, just rename the 'new-style' config
1110500929 M * Bertl then stop it .. then rename it back, and start it
1110500934 M * DukeGangsta|aw i downloaded util-vserver-0.30.203.tar, unpacked it and then did ./configure
1110500936 M * DukeGangsta|aw checking for ip... no
1110500936 M * DukeGangsta|aw configure: error: Can not find the 'ip' tool within '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin'
1110500950 M * Bertl iproute2 is required
1110500951 M * DukeGangsta|aw what is "ip" ?
1110500956 M * DukeGangsta|aw hmm
1110500964 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, lets see how to install that ;)
1110501213 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, installed it ;)
1110501213 M * DukeGangsta|aw checking for vconfig... no
1110501214 M * DukeGangsta|aw configure: error: Can not find the 'vconfig' tool within '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin'
1110501218 M * DukeGangsta|aw next problem ;/
1110501240 M * daniel_hozac vlan
1110501275 Q * ntrs_ Quit: Leaving
1110501295 Q * pusling Remote host closed the connection
1110501302 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124
1110501347 M * pusling hmm... seems I have done something wrong. cant talk between vservers ?
1110501478 M * Bertl in what way?
1110501513 M * pusling hmm.. must have done something wrong. All my vservers stopped working after starting the one with new configuration
1110501624 M * Bertl well, what does your config say?
1110501636 J * jd86 ~jim@ip68-9-97-23.ri.ri.cox.net
1110501646 M * pusling should the interfaces/dev contain something like eth0:something or just eth0 ?
1110501673 M * Bertl just eth0 if you want it to auto-add an ip/alias
1110501677 Q * Medivh Server closed connection
1110501685 M * Bertl welcome jd86!
1110501691 M * jd86 why hello bertl
1110501703 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de
1110501721 M * jd86 i've been engauging myself in the sport of counterstrike and sadly enjoying it somewhat (moreso the social part not the killing part)
1110501764 M * Bertl I heard that happens sometimes ...
1110501776 M * jd86 :)
1110501779 M * jd86 it wont last long i'm sure
1110501786 M * jd86 unless its like diablo ii was... oh my..
1110502075 M * pusling seems like starting one vserver new config style kills other alias-interfaces ?
1110502094 M * Bertl no, not really ...
1110502113 M * Bertl but stopping an vserver which uses a primary network alias does
1110502160 M * pusling hmm... not nice :/
1110502180 M * Bertl complain to the kernel folks, it's default linux-kernel behaviour ...
1110502195 M * pusling eth0 is primary - and all vservers is eth0:foo eth0:bar ...
1110502217 M * Bertl doesn't matter, it's just one primary per network
1110502248 M * Bertl so if you make eth0 10.0.0.1/24 and eth0:x 10.1.0.1/24 and eth0:y 10.1.0.2/24
1110502260 M * Bertl thenbringing down eth0:x will remove eth0:y
1110502280 M * Bertl (given that eth0:x was created first)
1110502298 M * pusling is it possible to stop a vserver without taking down the interface ?
1110502314 M * Bertl basically yes ...
1110502325 M * Bertl (but that is not implemented with the tools)
1110502336 M * pusling argf
1110502364 M * Bertl but it will not do anything to the interfaces if you do not specify the /dev or IPROOTDEV=
1110502383 M * Bertl in this case, the vserver tools will assume that the ips are already assigned
1110502398 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, util-vserver installed
1110502408 M * Bertl pusling: (i.e. they will not be created or removed ...)
1110502445 M * pusling if I remove the IPROOTDEV from a running vserver, will stopping then be possible ?
1110502457 M * pusling (vserver configuration file)
1110502464 M * Bertl could work ...
1110502619 M * DukeGangsta|aw what's next after utils-vserver? linux-vserver-1.9.4.tar ?
1110502635 M * Bertl hmm, no those are the kernel patches
1110502647 M * Bertl let's give the testme.sh a try
1110502675 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh
1110502736 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:~# ./testme.sh
1110502738 M * DukeGangsta|aw Linux-VServer Test [V0.10] (C) 2003-2005 H.Poetzl
1110502739 M * DukeGangsta|aw chcontext is working.
1110502741 M * DukeGangsta|aw chbind is working.
1110502742 M * DukeGangsta|aw Linux 2.6.11.2-unitedcolo i686/0.30.203/0.30.203 [Ea]
1110502744 M * DukeGangsta|aw VCI: <none>
1110502745 M * DukeGangsta|aw ---
1110502747 M * DukeGangsta|aw [001]# succeeded.
1110502748 M * DukeGangsta|aw [011]# succeeded.
1110502750 M * DukeGangsta|aw [031]# succeeded.
1110502751 M * DukeGangsta|aw [101]# succeeded.
1110502753 M * DukeGangsta|aw [102]# succeeded.
1110502754 M * DukeGangsta|aw [201]# succeeded.
1110502756 M * DukeGangsta|aw [202]# succeeded.
1110502757 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:~#
1110502763 M * DukeGangsta|aw all done and working?
1110502765 M * Bertl looks good ;)
1110502790 M * Bertl now you can start working on creating your first server
1110502817 M * DukeGangsta|aw http://www.paul.sladen.org/vserver/debian/debian-newvserver.sh
1110502817 M * DukeGangsta|aw ?
1110502830 M * Bertl nope, alpha util-vserver page .. see examples
1110502843 M * Bertl vserver <name> build ....
1110502888 M * pusling Bertl: removing IPROOTDEV or echo horse > dev  do work
1110502912 M * Bertl good!
1110502939 M * pusling but removing the dev-file do not work. It need to contain something.
1110502974 M * Bertl hmm, probably you want to have nodev instead of dev/empty
1110502984 M * DukeGangsta|aw is it ok that the vserver.conf is not in /etc, but in /usr/local/etc ?
1110503011 M * Bertl which vserver.conf?
1110503042 M * pusling Bertl: is echo default > <vservername>/apps/init/mark what it takes to bring vservers up on reboot ?
1110503051 M * Bertl yep
1110503068 M * pusling good
1110503155 M * pusling I still have ULIMIT="-H -h 1024" in my conf-file that I don't know what to do ?
1110503177 M * Bertl those go to the rlimit section as hardlimit for NPROC
1110503258 M * pusling so it is echo NPROC -H -h 1024 > rlimit/resource.hard or ?
1110503280 M * Bertl nope
1110503296 M * Bertl Possible resources are cpu, fsize, data, stack, core, rss, nproc, nofile, memlock, as and locks.
1110503312 M * Bertl so it is either rlimit/nproc or rlimit/nproc.hard
1110503321 M * Bertl and you want to echo 1024 there ...
1110503409 M * pusling ohh...
1110503801 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, I'll go to bed, creating a vserver does not work ;)
1110503809 M * DukeGangsta|aw thanks 4 your help so far
1110503817 M * Bertl you're welcome! good night!
1110503941 M * DukeGangsta|aw good night
1110503975 M * pusling two config files converted. 5 more to go
1110504964 Q * Snow-Man Server closed connection
1110504976 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@snowman.net
1110505403 M * pusling hmm... If apps/init/runlevel is not set, isn't inittab and rcX.d used ?
1110505452 M * Bertl no idea, you have to ask enrico ...
1110505472 M * Bertl (or check the source, or use --debug)
1110505665 M * pusling hm... seems like it does - except one script? The ircd in my irc-vserver :/
1110505974 M * pusling hmm... needs to restart this vserver. see you on the other side ;)
1110505981 Q * pusling Quit: reboot
1110505981 M * Bertl yeah!
1110506203 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124
1110506367 M * pusling seems to start in runlevel 3 no matter what inittab says... Is there a bug report something anywhere ?
1110506398 M * Bertl send it to the mailing list
1110506412 M * Bertl (maybe with cc to Enrico)
1110506423 M * pusling mailadresses ?
1110506451 M * Bertl take a quick look at the ml archives, you should find all that there ...
1110506633 M * pusling seems like mail adresses have been removed (anti spam stuff)
1110506645 M * Bertl hmm, okay, sec
1110506818 Q * Seraph Read error: Operation timed out
1110506839 J * Seraph kk@projects.verfaction.de
1110507159 M * pusling .... vapt-get is really cool
1110507731 J * chairuou ~chairuou@210.245.71.48
1110507740 M * Bertl pusling: so you like the new toys?
1110507836 Q * chairuou Quit: 
1110507979 M * pusling my life gets easier - I like that ;)
1110508046 M * Bertl excellent!
1110508469 M * pusling and now it is time for my bed ;) 5 hours until goodmorning ;/
1110508543 M * Bertl okay, good night then!
1110510868 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1110512895 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk
1110516223 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1110517107 M * Bertl good night folks! 
1110517114 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1110523052 N * Doener_zZz Doener
1110523060 M * Doener morning!
1110523082 A * Doener .oO( hm, my day/night cycly is no longer Bertl-compatible ... ;)
1110523086 M * DaCa morning Doener 
1110523101 M * Doener s/cycly/cycle/
1110523153 M * DaCa somewhere I think his cycle is not based on 24 hour days :)
1110523201 M * Doener mine hasn't been for years either
1110523494 J * grecea ~grecea@h-195-22-237-74.mdl.net
1110524949 J * mhepp ~mhepp@r30s12p13.home.nbox.cz
1110526345 M * sebd hello
1110526381 M * sebd is it possible to run several vservers sharing the same ip address on the same host ?
1110526525 M * Doener sebd: yes it is. you just won't be able to use the same port more than once of course.
1110526542 M * sebd ok, thank you Doener :)
1110526549 M * Doener but using some internal ip addresses and doing NAT may be more useful
1110526564 M * sebd of course ! :)
1110526591 M * Doener hm, missed rootfs in the modified proc/mounts patches...
1110526866 M * Doener ok, now it's fine :)
1110526924 J * berni_ ~berni@svr01.mucip.net
1110526926 Q * berni Read error: Connection reset by peer
1110527979 Q * mhepp Quit: KVIrc 3.0.1.99 'Realia'
1110528239 Q * DaPhreak Quit: leaving
1110528835 M * pusling Morning!
1110528869 M * DaCa hi pusling 
1110528931 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1110529626 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection
1110531436 J * prae ~prae@134.106-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com
1110531559 J * bse ~root@vs160188.vserver.de
1110531590 M * bse hi 
1110531681 M * Doener welcome bse
1110531902 M * bse i have a problem: kernel: 2.6.11-rc3-vs1.9.4 .... when i enter the vserver i get the Message: "WARNING: can not find configuration, assuming legacy method"... it is running, but i dunno how i could disable this warning
1110532012 M * pusling do you use old-config-style (one file pr vserver) and new tools ?
1110532030 M * bse this could be possible
1110532098 M * Doener http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver -- information on the alpha tools, take a look at the flower page for details on the new configuration scheme
1110532116 M * pusling it just a message: You don't have new-config-style - so assuming using old-config-style.
1110532122 M * Doener there's no tool to convert old configs to the new format (yet)
1110532127 A * pusling convertet config styles during the night ;)
1110532181 M * Doener if you want the new features that the 1.9.x branch offers, you'll need to switch, otherwise using the old config is ok i guess
1110532200 M * pusling bse: I advise you to use lynx or links to visit the flower page ;)
1110532226 M * Doener pusling: why not just use one of the other styles? gras1 is nice
1110532231 M * DaCa yes, makes it actually readable :)
1110532282 M * Doener and if you think the default style is evil, try the 'flower' style
1110532321 M * pusling how do I_change the style ?
1110532331 M * Doener depends on your browser
1110532341 M * Doener firefox: view->page style
1110532377 Q * nox Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1110532402 M * pusling konqueror: view > Use Stylesheet ;)
1110532455 M * pusling and yes - flower style is real evil ;)
1110532483 M * bse :) if the picture is on the top-right or top left is not really necessary :p
1110532551 M * DaCa is it intentional that flowerstyle is default on IE? 
1110532671 M * Doener DaCa: the flower style has lots of small flowers as background, the default is called 'gras'
1110532768 M * Doener the background is the only difference between 'gras' and 'flower' but 'flower' make the black text even harder to read
1110532773 M * DaCa Doener: I know, and gras is what I get on firefox by default, flower is what I get in IE by default, looked at the htmlsource and dont really understand why. 
1110532798 M * Doener hm... guess it's a feature not a bug (in IE) ;)
1110532798 J * DaPhreak ~phreak@lms.rz.uni-greifswald.de
1110532817 M * DaCa I cant even find an option to change style in IE
1110532822 M * Doener if (page related to open source stuff) use_worst_style;
1110532844 M * Doener ie doesn't support it
1110532871 M * DaCa than why does it pick the third style, the first or last would be more logical
1110532880 M * Doener DaCa: http://www.13thfloor.at/~doener/ does IE show that as a page or as a xml tree?
1110532972 Q * no_maam Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1110532977 M * DaCa Doener: its says 'Windows cannot open this file' :)
1110533015 M * Doener w3c says: "This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!" ;)
1110533041 M * Doener but interesting... the last time i checked xhtml support ie decided to show a xml tree
1110533043 M * DaCa its version 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp1.02082801920
1110533085 M * DaCa i think it does so when the extension is .xml
1110533100 M * Doener hm, the last css file has a comment in it, maybe ie can't parse that
1110533155 M * Doener DaCa: deciding on extensions is stupid, we got a Content-type Header for such stuff... and my checks were done without extensions at all back then (i.e. mod_rewrite was in use)
1110533176 J * no_maam ~erik@datenzone.de
1110533203 M * Doener hm, but ie is actually right regarding the last css, the comment is invalid
1110533271 M * prae *morning*
1110533283 M * Doener morning prae, welcome no_maam 
1110533309 M * DaPhreak morning prae :)
1110533315 M * DaCa Doener: I agree completely, but I am not voluntary using this product :p
1110533326 M * prae :p
1110533355 M * Doener heh ;)
1110533371 J * nox ~nox@213.39.150.155
1110533448 M * Doener i guess ie 7 will include extended abilities to detect incompatible (i.e. modern) pages and protect you from seeing them ;)
1110534042 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1110536635 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk
1110536922 Q * bse Quit: leaving
1110541840 J * mhepp ~mhepp@r30s12p13.home.nbox.cz
1110542202 M * erwan_taf prae: Praaaaaaae
1110542216 M * erwan_taf lo DaPhreak, Doener 
1110542232 M * Doener hi erwan_taf 
1110542511 Q * mhepp Quit: KVIrc 3.0.1.99 'Realia'
1110542756 M * prae erwan_taf: groumpf
1110542766 M * erwan_taf prae: ?
1110543274 Q * th Read error: Operation timed out
1110543447 J * th tom@pc-4092.ethz.ch
1110545987 Q * flock Read error: Operation timed out
1110546117 N * DaPhreak DaPhreak|off
1110547331 Q * sebd Remote host closed the connection
1110547892 J * sebd ~sebd@lesdeveloppementsdurables.org
1110549041 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1110549579 P * kevinp_ Leaving
1110551822 Q * flock Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1110554274 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1110554659 J * Dus10 ~ddortch@68-248-179-131.ded.ameritech.net
1110555320 M * Dus10 hello all
1110555332 M * Dus10 have any of you used ttysnoop with vserver?
1110555379 Q * sebd Remote host closed the connection
1110555609 M * DukeGangsta|aw good morning everybody ;)
1110555808 M * Doener morning DukeGangsta|aw 
1110555855 M * DukeGangsta|aw what's the easiest command to create the first vserver?
1110555864 M * DukeGangsta|aw vserver first build -m copy --hostname firsthostname
1110555869 M * DukeGangsta|aw does not work
1110555921 M * Doener what distro do you want to use inside the vserver?
1110555936 M * DukeGangsta|aw host-sys is debian 3.0
1110555944 M * DukeGangsta|aw guest-sys should be the same
1110555997 M * Doener use the tools' build method for debian vservers using debootstrap ;)
1110556005 M * Doener http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1110556055 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:/# vserver first2 build -m debootstrap
1110556056 M * DukeGangsta|aw 08:49:31 URL:http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.2.45-0.2_i386.deb [72236/72236] -> "/var/tmp/debootstrap.RLqEIe/debootstrap.deb" [1]
1110556056 M * DukeGangsta|aw E: No such script: /var/tmp/debootstrap.RLqEIe/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/deb3.0
1110556056 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:/#
1110556083 Q * Dus10 Quit: Read error: 2.71828182846 (Excessive e)
1110556212 M * Doener DukeGangsta|aw: you have to tell it, what branch you wnat (i.e. one of woody, sarge, stable, testing etc.)
1110556214 J * sebd ~sebd@lesdeveloppementsdurables.org
1110556255 M * DukeGangsta|aw vserver first3 build -m debootstrap -- -d woody
1110556259 M * DukeGangsta|aw seems to work ;)
1110556309 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: you might need to rename some of the binaries later, depending on what you want (like start-stop-daemon)
1110556326 M * DukeGangsta|aw I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages
1110556327 M * DukeGangsta|aw I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages
1110556328 M * DukeGangsta|aw /var/tmp/debootstrap.Kpouty/usr/lib/debootstrap/pkgdetails: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not fo
1110556330 M * DukeGangsta|aw und (required by /var/tmp/debootstrap.Kpouty/usr/lib/debootstrap/pkgdetails)
1110556332 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:/var/tmp#
1110556350 M * DukeGangsta|aw arg, why is there always a failure
1110556366 M * Doener did you apt-get update recently? if not, do so now ;)
1110556399 M * aba that should not happen.
1110556400 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:/var/tmp# /lib/libc.so.6
1110556400 M * DukeGangsta|aw GNU C Library stable release version 2.2.5
1110556403 M * aba dpkg -l debootstrap
1110556414 M * aba Uh, is the host system debian or redhat?
1110556424 M * Doener debian woody
1110556431 M * DukeGangsta|aw debian
1110556442 M * DukeGangsta|aw hostname is R245223
1110556444 M * aba in that case, it is really strange. It always worked for me.
1110556462 M * DukeGangsta|aw how do i upgrade libc to 2.3 ?
1110556471 M * Doener not at all with woody ;)
1110556472 M * DukeGangsta|aw it seams that i got 2.2.5 installed
1110556475 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: you don't.
1110556501 M * aba what is the issue with running debootstrap from outside? Just debootstrap ....
1110556570 M * DukeGangsta|aw how do i do that? getting debootstrap_0.2.45-0.2_i386.deb and installing that with
1110556570 M * DukeGangsta|aw dpkg -l debootstrap
1110556571 M * DukeGangsta|aw ?
1110556585 M * aba apt-get install debootstrap
1110556599 M * aba (you're bootstraping woody, so even stables debootstrap should be ok)
1110556609 M * DukeGangsta|aw E: Package debootstrap has no installation candidate
1110556618 M * Doener ehrm?
1110556631 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: grep ^deb /etc/sources.list
1110556640 M * aba eh,
1110556645 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: grep ^deb /etc/apt/sources.list
1110556660 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:/var/tmp# grep ^deb /etc/apt/sources.list
1110556661 M * DukeGangsta|aw deb http://twisted.sourceforge.net/debian/woody/ ./
1110556661 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:/var/tmp#
1110556678 M * aba I guess that's not a full debian archiv.
1110556707 M * aba add "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian woody main"
1110556729 M * DukeGangsta|aw i hate debian... i got it 2 days ago, and nothing worked on first try....i had suse the last 4 years and had not that much problems
1110556733 M * Doener echo "deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ woody main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
1110556764 M * Doener DukeGangsta|aw: while installing you should have been asked what repositories you want to use, so that's your fault this time ;)
1110556772 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, installation was ok now
1110556790 M * DukeGangsta|aw i didn't install that machine, my hoster did
1110556823 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, debootstraß is now installed
1110556823 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: sorry, but this machine seems to be badly wrong installed.
1110556837 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: ok. just call debootstrap to see the parameters
1110556877 M * DukeGangsta|aw what is a "bootstrap" in 1 sentence?
1110556916 M * aba debootstrap is the program to create a fresh debian system (you can use it for chroots, or for anything - and the installer uses it to create _your_ system :)
1110556919 M * DukeGangsta|aw suse doesnt have this "feature" ;)
1110556956 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: I've never seen an easy way to create a new suse "installation" for testing purposes in my chroot :)
1110556975 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok... so i download a fresh complete linux-installation with that?
1110556988 M * aba only the very base system, yes.
1110556995 M * Doener a base-system, should be about 100-120mb
1110557001 M * aba But that's the reason why you should give an explicit mirror close to you
1110557250 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok
1110557251 M * DukeGangsta|aw did
1110557251 M * DukeGangsta|aw debootstrap woody /root/debootstapfiles/ http://ftp.freenet.de/debian
1110557295 M * aba should work
1110557318 M * Doener ah, you didn't install using the tools' debootstrap method? then you didn't download a system yet (before the debootstrap call that is)
1110557347 M * DukeGangsta|aw ?
1110557378 M * Doener the actual download of the base system happened when you executed debootstrap, not while installing it
1110557412 M * DukeGangsta|aw so I have to use
1110557412 M * DukeGangsta|aw --download-only
1110557413 M * DukeGangsta|aw ?
1110557423 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: I never used that option
1110557426 M * Doener no
1110557434 M * Doener what do you want to do?
1110557451 M * DukeGangsta|aw i want to setup my first vserver
1110557462 M * Doener then use the tools' debootstrap method
1110557495 M * DukeGangsta|aw vserver first4 build -m debootstrap -- -d woody
1110557514 M * DukeGangsta|aw is now working.....
1110557521 M * Doener no need to use debootstrap directly, you'd have to create the configuration yourself then... (or use the tools' skeleton method and then copy the debootstrapped system, but that's just more work)
1110557535 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1110557540 M * Doener morning Bertl!
1110557546 M * Bertl morning folks! Doener!
1110557552 M * DukeGangsta|aw hi
1110557553 M * DaCa morning Bertl !
1110557562 M * Bertl DukeGangsta|aw: what was not working with your command?
1110557568 M * Bertl hey DaCa!
1110557581 M * DukeGangsta|aw (16:52:04) (DukeGangsta|aw) I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages
1110557583 M * DukeGangsta|aw (16:52:06) (DukeGangsta|aw) I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages
1110557584 M * DukeGangsta|aw (16:52:07) (DukeGangsta|aw) /var/tmp/debootstrap.Kpouty/usr/lib/debootstrap/pkgdetails: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not fo
1110557586 M * DukeGangsta|aw (16:52:09) (DukeGangsta|aw) und (required by /var/tmp/debootstrap.Kpouty/usr/lib/debootstrap/pkgdetails)
1110557587 M * DukeGangsta|aw (16:52:10) (DukeGangsta|aw) R245223:/var/tmp#
1110557590 M * Doener Bertl: he didn't have debootstrap installed and the tools probably downloaded a too recent version ;)
1110557592 M * DukeGangsta|aw then i installed debootstraß
1110557600 M * Doener should be fine now
1110557600 M * DukeGangsta|aw and now it works
1110557624 M * DukeGangsta|aw I: Base system installed successfully.
1110557624 M * DukeGangsta|aw R245223:~#
1110557626 M * DukeGangsta|aw nice
1110557633 M * Bertl Doener: too recent? with debian?
1110557648 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: good.
1110557652 A * aba kicks Bertl 
1110557674 M * Doener yep, he has woody (aka stable) installed, while the alpha tools just install the latest version (from sid aka unstable IIRC)
1110557696 M * Doener and woody is too old to support that ;)
1110557704 M * aba than they should have proper dependencies set.
1110557736 M * Doener aba: the tools don't use apt, they simply cheat, since they want you to be able to use it on non-debian systems too
1110557745 M * aba ouch.
1110557767 M * aba Doener: can't you also offer them as debian packages? :)
1110557773 M * Doener it'd be a good idea to detect whether to host is debian and use apt in that case, i guess
1110557788 M * Doener me? why me?
1110557794 M * aba or whoever.
1110557808 M * aba And, BTW, you might want to consider which version of your packages should go into sarge. There is not much time left anymore for uploads ...
1110557844 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, /vservers/first4 is now filled with stuff ;) what's next
1110557867 M * DaCa wasnt ola busy with alpha-tools packages?
1110557876 M * Doener aba: you might've heard that IIRC ola decided to have stable tools+patch in sarge and uploaded the alpha tools and the 2.6 patches to experimental
1110557879 M * aba DaCa: but IIRC they were with experimental.
1110557895 M * aba Doener: yes, I've already created bugs against them, as autobuilding failed.
1110557924 M * aba well, this was just a hint. Sarge will be frozen RSN.
1110557975 Q * sebd Read error: No route to host
1110558042 M * Bertl so it looks like debian will go from 'unknown' to 'broken' really soon, right?
1110558106 M * DaCa whats broken about it? util-vserver as in sarge works for me
1110558148 M * Bertl well, let me put it this way, the only distro issues we see _every_ day here happen on debian ...
1110558162 M * aba Bertl: that's because so many people use Debian.
1110558166 M * Doener DaCa: well, as long as you stick with a 2.4 kernel that's fine, but those tools don't support any 2.6 features
1110558181 M * DaCa Bertl: IceTi runs fedora :p
1110558188 M * Bertl so either everyone and his dog is using debian (which I really do not believe) or it causes most of the issues and confusions (userspace wise)
1110558194 M * aba Bertl: ok, frankly speaking: If you have any overwheelming concerns, please tell them now, as it is still time to fix them.
1110558218 M * aba in 4 weeks, it might be too late (or at least much more work)
1110558254 M * Bertl aba: did you look at the bug list for the stable tools (debian bugtracker)?
1110558265 M * Bertl I did, and what I saw there didn't make me happy ...
1110558278 M * aba Bertl: I did it only weeks ago. Let me check ...
1110558286 M * DaCa Doener: I dont intend to change that soon, for me, and a lot of others, 2.6 is still considered a development kernel
1110558316 M * aba DaCa: the bad news is: 2.6 is still a development kernel, but still the only one that runs on certain hardware.
1110558358 M * aba even worse, there will be archs w/o any 2.4 kernel in debian sarge
1110558370 M * Bertl aba: for example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=197051
1110558382 M * Bertl Tags: wontfix; 
1110558394 M * aba Bertl: I'm just looking through it ...
1110558443 M * aba Bertl: you think vhost would be a worthy part of the description?
1110558470 M * Bertl ahem? which description?
1110558497 M * aba Bertl: apt-cache search uses the package description, so anything in the description will be found.
1110558514 M * aba (of course, the description of the debian package)
1110558529 M * Bertl yes, and? I don't follow you?
1110558556 M * aba if this bug should be fixed, the description needs to be adjusted (see http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/vserver-debiantools for the current one)
1110558598 J * sladen_ paul@starsky.19inch.net
1110558598 Q * sladen Read error: Connection reset by peer
1110558633 M * Bertl aba: okay, you are at a different one I guess (actually one I do not seem to understand ;)
1110558677 M * Bertl looking at that one ... sec
1110558682 M * aba Bertl: right.
1110558691 M * aba Sorry, I was at the other package first ...
1110558710 M * Bertl no idea why vhost should turn up linux-vserver stuff ...
1110558726 M * aba yes, your bug is worse.
1110558766 M * Bertl I've explained several times to Ola that the default config is severely broken
1110558785 M * aba Bertl: wait a moment, I'm just considering to inflate bug severity ...
1110558797 M * Bertl it's not just the capability, it's also the wrong flags
1110558818 M * Bertl and it doesn't use static context (not even mention the option!!!)
1110558847 M * DukeGangsta|aw I would like to configure my new vserver now... but there is no /usr/local/etc/first4.conf
1110558849 M * Bertl and it uses the old and confusing IPROOTDEV="eth0" IIRC
1110558869 M * Doener DukeGangsta|aw: alpha tools use a new configuration scheme...
1110558871 M * Bertl DukeGangsta|aw: the new tools use a tree based configuration scheme
1110558895 M * Bertl DukeGangsta|aw: it's very easy to configure it at build time (see the alpha util-vserver page)
1110558901 M * Doener take a look on the flower page (link is on the alpha-tools page)
1110558928 M * Doener (and on  http://linux-vserver.org itself IIRC)
1110558941 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok
1110558949 M * DukeGangsta|aw nice page ;)
1110558978 M * Doener just use one of the other styles... gras1 is nice...
1110558987 M * aba Bertl: ok. Can you send me / paste / whatever the full list of issues that should be handled prior to release?
1110559021 M * Doener Bertl: FYI the last patches i did yesterday were missing the rootfs check... updated versions:
1110559022 M * Doener http://www.13thfloor.at/~doener/vserver/patches/diff-2.6.11.2-vs1.9.5-rc2-proc_mounts_rootfs_fix-3.diff
1110559029 M * Doener http://www.13thfloor.at/~doener/various/diff-2.6.11.2-chroot_proc_mounts-2.diff
1110559093 M * Doener i'm gone then, it's gf's grandma's birthday... cya tomorrow!
1110559109 N * Doener Doener|gone
1110559185 M * Bertl aba: sorry no, I won't spend another day or so on collecting debian issues ... you have to scan the irc logs/ml, and look for discussions between Ola and me ....
1110559192 M * Bertl Doener|gone: thanks, have fun!
1110559206 M * aba Bertl: ok, I'll try to push that into my timelist
1110559252 A * aba starts to get worried that the current state of vserver might lead to it not being part of sarge - which would be not good.
1110559269 M * Bertl basically our (the developers) policy is, use the mainline stuff, if you want to make a distro specific package, go ahead, but make it work ...
1110559286 M * aba Bertl: which is of course right from your point of you.
1110559292 M * Bertl any other scheme will not scale atm .. 3 folks can not handle 20 distros)
1110559317 M * aba I was just looking from the debian release teams point of view. And from that point of view, I'm not happy at all.
1110559335 M * aba (and, 5 people in the release team have a tought job to monitor 10000++ packages)
1110559360 M * Bertl I can understand that, and I'm willing to help there too ... but it doesn't look very promising to me
1110559390 M * Bertl a) there are a few debian folks working on linux-vserver and all of them do good work, but are ignored by the 'maintainer'
1110559402 M * aba Bertl: yes, I can see the problems.
1110559768 M * DukeGangsta|aw when i try to start my vserver, it hangs at
1110559769 M * DukeGangsta|aw Starting system log daemon: syslogd.
1110559769 M * DukeGangsta|aw Starting kernel log daemon: klogd.
1110559769 M * DukeGangsta|aw Starting internet superserver: inetd.
1110559805 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: you probably should change the mode to init.
1110559828 M * DukeGangsta|aw where do I do that
1110559858 M * DukeGangsta|aw i now know that vserver is not as easy as vmware or similar programs are ;)
1110559904 Q * erwan_taf Quit: Leaving
1110560113 Q * BWare Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11
1110560287 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: there is a init-type flag ...
1110560428 M * Bertl DukeGangsta|aw: 100% cpu usage?
1110560524 M * DukeGangsta|aw let me explain slowly ;)
1110560533 M * DukeGangsta|aw Vserver 'first4' is running at context '49155'
1110560533 M * DukeGangsta|aw Number of processes: 5
1110560533 M * DukeGangsta|aw Uptime: 00:08
1110560543 M * DukeGangsta|aw so i did a vserver first4 enter
1110560553 M * DukeGangsta|aw it took 2mins, then there was a shell
1110560576 M * Bertl 2 mins sounds extremely long ...
1110560594 M * Bertl 2 seconds can be considered long but okay ...
1110560607 M * DukeGangsta|aw every command i do in this vserver is very slow
1110560637 M * Bertl do you have a shell on the host?
1110560652 M * DukeGangsta|aw yes of cause
1110560657 M * DukeGangsta|aw Vserver 'first4' is running at context '49155'
1110560657 M * DukeGangsta|aw Number of processes: 5
1110560657 M * DukeGangsta|aw Uptime: 00:08
1110560660 M * DukeGangsta|aw ups
1110560672 M * Bertl that's a 2.6 kernel, right?
1110560684 M * DukeGangsta|aw yes
1110560692 M * DukeGangsta|aw 2.6.11
1110560718 M * Bertl what does 'cat /proc/virtual/49155/sched' and 'cat /proc/virtual/49155/limit' list (pastebin.com please)
1110560742 M * DukeGangsta|aw cat /proc/virtual/49155/sched
1110560744 M * DukeGangsta|aw Token: 0
1110560745 M * DukeGangsta|aw FillRate: 1
1110560747 M * DukeGangsta|aw Interval: 4
1110560748 M * DukeGangsta|aw TokensMin: 62
1110560750 M * DukeGangsta|aw TokensMax: 500
1110560751 M * DukeGangsta|aw PrioBias: 0
1110560753 M * DukeGangsta|aw VaVaVoom: 0
1110560754 M * DukeGangsta|aw cpu 0: 0 0 0
1110560756 M * DukeGangsta|aw cpu 1: 0 0 0
1110560757 M * DukeGangsta|aw cpu 2: 0 0 0
1110560759 M * DukeGangsta|aw cpu 3: 0 0 0
1110560812 M * DukeGangsta|aw what is pastebin?
1110560825 M * daniel_hozac the place where he wanted you to paste that ;)
1110560828 M * DukeGangsta|aw http://pastebin.com/253271
1110560934 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, found the problem i think... had a grid-prog running, i stopped it and now the vserver is fast
1110560974 M * aba Hm, can the current utils use a ping from inside, w/o giving the possibility to tcpdump?
1110560979 M * DukeGangsta|aw which cpu does the vserver use?
1110561123 M * DukeGangsta|aw i had 3 cpu's idle-ing, but vserver seamed to use the heavy-loaded-cpu..
1110561136 M * Bertl what is a grid-prog?
1110561178 M * DukeGangsta|aw a prog like seti
1110561191 M * Bertl linux-vserver doesn't use any special cpus, the cpu scheduling is the same as on every linux system
1110561219 M * DukeGangsta|aw grid-computing
1110561228 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, now it is very fast
1110561232 M * Bertl aba: alpha tools + 1.9.x yes (and it's on by default)
1110561238 M * DukeGangsta|aw starting a vserver needs 3secs
1110561245 M * DukeGangsta|aw enterding <1sec
1110561254 M * Bertl yeah, that's more like it
1110561298 M * DukeGangsta|aw now let' see where i config an IP-adress for that vserver...
1110561303 M * aba Bertl: thanks.
1110561350 M * Bertl VXC_RAW_ICMP (responsible ccap)
1110561518 M * DukeGangsta|aw is this for me? I thought I configure that by editing files under 'interfaces'
1110561591 M * Bertl DukeGangsta|aw: no, that was for aba, and yes you configure it there or on vserver creation with the --ip option ...
1110561852 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok.. I created a file 'dev' and inserted "eth0"... then I created a dir 'eth0'... in that folder I created files 'ip', 'mask', 'bcast' and 'dev' and inserted values..
1110562146 M * DukeGangsta|aw but when I start the vserver and do "ifconfig", there is an error "Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output."
1110562255 M * DukeGangsta|aw if I ask so many questions like today, I'm a vserver-expert in 5 years ;)
1110562515 M * Bertl where did you create the file dev?
1110562549 M * DukeGangsta|aw in/usr/local/etc/vservers/first4/interfaces
1110562584 M * Bertl hmm, it seems that the documentation isn't easy to understand, I just could not figure why yet ...
1110562617 M * Bertl okay, the dev there is not really required
1110562630 M * Bertl it would be a 'default'
1110562644 M * Bertl the #
1110562650 M * Bertl # /etc/vservers/vserver-name/interfaces/eth0 you have
1110562651 M * DukeGangsta|aw i also created that file in folder 'eth0'
1110562663 M * Bertl would better be a /etc/vservers/vserver-name/interfaces/00
1110562680 M * Bertl not that it really matters, but otherwise you might be confused if you have
1110562694 M * Bertl /etc/vservers/vserver-name/interfaces/eth0/dev = eth1 ;)
1110562709 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok
1110562730 M * Bertl the 00 is just to fix the sequence ...
1110562747 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, renamed to 00 now
1110562751 M * Bertl the other values there should be fine (I assume)
1110562774 M * Bertl the 'proc' issue is the proc security stuff 
1110562787 M * Bertl you should run vprocunhide (once on startup of your host)
1110562844 M * DukeGangsta|aw can i start it now manually and then restart the vserver?
1110562849 M * Bertl at least I guess that's the issue there, might also be a not mounted /proc inside the vserver
1110562869 M * Bertl DukeGangsta|aw: yes you can start it now, no need to restart the vserver though
1110562902 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok, no more error now
1110562957 M * Bertl usually the vprocunhide is added to the runlevel scripts
1110562973 M * Bertl (so it should be run once on system startup)
1110563002 M * DukeGangsta|aw but there is no ip-address defined.. ;( http://pastebin.com/253282
1110563022 M * Bertl that's fine, try with 'ip addr ls'
1110563052 M * DukeGangsta|aw inside vserver? bash: ip: command not found
1110563057 M * Bertl you can have an alias too (like with stable tools) but you have to specify that in the config ...
1110563068 M * DukeGangsta|aw why so complicated
1110563069 M * Bertl DukeGangsta|aw: well, iprout2 needs to be installed inside ...
1110563076 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting
1110563083 M * Bertl simple ifconfig is very old
1110563099 M * Bertl it doesn't know about stuff going on with the ip stack
1110563122 M * Bertl by default, the tools use the up-to-date iproute2 'ip' utility
1110563136 M * Bertl creating new ip addresses with 'ip' is simple and intuitive
1110563201 M * DukeGangsta|aw ok... installed it and now there is an output
1110563314 M * Bertl if you add a file 'name' with an alias extension, you'll get an alias at startup, for example: name = hansi then you'll get eth0:hansi
1110563325 M * TheSeer Bertl: btw... is the 2.4.x related problem of shutting down a vserver  and all alias-ips after it get removed fixed in the latest version?
1110563330 M * DukeGangsta|aw there should be a long good documentation, so much special things to do....
1110563412 M * Bertl TheSeer: no, because it is a mainline (linux kernel) issue ..
1110563416 M * aba DukeGangsta|aw: yes, there should. You might want to clean some bits up on the wiki, and start doing that one :)
1110563429 M * TheSeer Bertl: darn.. ;>
1110563451 M * Bertl TheSeer: but I consider doing a 'fix' for that ... and include it into linux-vserver ...
1110563483 M * Bertl TheSeer: do you use alpha util-vserver?
1110563521 M * TheSeer uhm.. don't think so.. it's on my very first vserver install ;>
1110563565 M * TheSeer util-vserver-0.30-0  on 2.4.28-vs1.29
1110563597 M * TheSeer or was that a general question?
1110563610 M * TheSeer i do have a 2.6.x box with 0.30.203 or so..
1110563622 M * DukeGangsta|aw whooohoooo... i can ping from whithin the vserver to internet ;)
1110563680 M * Bertl TheSeer: no, because alpha util-vserver avoids most of the issues (with alias removing) the stable tools have
1110563694 M * Bertl s/have/expose/
1110563750 M * TheSeer oh okay..
1110563769 M * TheSeer well.. i don't feel like migrating ;)
1110563774 M * TheSeer not for that box..
1110563796 M * Bertl np, you can work around that 'issue' easily ...
1110563805 M * Bertl you have a number of networks?
1110563820 M * TheSeer ?
1110563830 M * Bertl different networks for the vserver I mean?
1110563837 M * Bertl *vservers
1110563861 M * TheSeer i do have a core ip and a /28 for the vservers 
1110563875 M * TheSeer the /28 is a seperate net
1110563893 M * TheSeer not all of the ips are in use as of now though
1110563894 M * Bertl okay, so in your case the 'solution' is simple
1110563908 M * Bertl just 'reserve' a single ip in the /28 range
1110563922 M * Bertl and assign it via you hosts config to the interface
1110563926 M * Bertl *your
1110563941 M * Bertl it will automatically become the primary ip
1110563948 M * Bertl (you can list that with ip addr ls)
1110563965 M * Bertl every vserver started on the /28 after that, will get a secondary
1110563981 M * Bertl and a secondary can be taken down anytime without affecting anything else
1110564091 M * TheSeer oh okay...
1110564334 M * DukeGangsta|aw easy question: i have no "ll" command in vserver... i have to define an alias to "ls -al" i think.. but where is that file
1110564666 J * prae ~prae@134.106-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com
1110564683 Q * prae Quit: 
1110564698 M * TheSeer depends on your default shell
1110564703 M * TheSeer if it's bash
1110564722 M * TheSeer it'll be ~/.bashrc
1110564728 M * TheSeer or ~/.bash_profile
1110564745 M * Bertl or /etc/bashrc or /etc/bash_profile or /etc/profile ;)
1110564776 M * Bertl in short, see man <shell> for the ugly details ;)
1110565260 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net
1110565290 M * Bertl welcome erwan!
1110565304 M * erwan_ho hi Bertl 
1110565310 M * erwan_ho Bertl: how are you ?
1110565394 M * Bertl fine, thanks! and you?
1110566713 M * erwan_ho fine
1110566748 M * erwan_ho Tonight I'll join the roller trip for promoting Paris for organisating the 2012 JO's
1110566756 M * erwan_ho JO = Olympic Games
1110567176 J * shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net
1110567291 Q * DukeGangsta|aw Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )
1110567621 M * Bertl welcome shuri!
1110568366 M * jd86 hello Bertl 
1110568369 M * jd86 whats teh up
1110568412 M * Bertl everything fine, slowly approaching point of having some time to do something useful ;)
1110568439 M * jd86 nice i have SATs tomorrow and i'm going to do horrific on them.
1110568453 M * Bertl SATs?
1110568488 M * jd86 well let me see what it actually stands for
1110568517 M * jd86 ok well i dont know what its name is
1110568535 M * jd86 but its a math/english type test that determines wtf college you get to (some depend on the grade from that alot and some dont)
1110568541 M * jd86 i find it quite stupid honestly
1110568541 M * Bertl np, can you describe it? ;)
1110568556 M * jd86 they calll it a reasoning test
1110568567 M * Bertl ah, and what will you be asked?
1110568580 M * Bertl s/asked/questioned about/
1110568588 M * jd86 math, english basically
1110568615 M * Bertl something like: how do you define the integral of 1 divided by e to the power of x ?
1110568644 M * jd86 it is three hour and 45 min test standardized test, there are bunches of questions
1110568653 M * jd86 multiple sections where they increase dificulty
1110568670 M * jd86 i'm going to be horrible at the english thing
1110568682 M * Bertl ah, that's a separate part?
1110568688 M * jd86 i know some math, i'm not that stupid in math but english is just stupid
1110568691 M * jd86 what do you mean?
1110568715 M * daniel_hozac yeah, we should abandon languages as a means of communication ;)
1110568716 M * Bertl I thought it was math in english or something like that ...
1110568730 M * jd86 its all math stuff and all english stuff
1110568736 M * jd86 its like english essays and english questions 
1110568738 M * jd86 its just so much crap
1110568748 M * Bertl so you do math in a different language then, right?
1110568751 M * jd86 here heres an english problem
1110568790 M * jd86 the employees joked that in their manager was ______; even when they were deriding him in his presence, he seemed ____ and unbothered
1110568796 M * jd86 a) coy ...   garrulous
1110568802 M * jd86 b) gregarious ... reticent
1110568806 M * jd86 c) inept ... stoic
1110568814 M * jd86 d) nonplussed ... oblivious
1110568821 M * jd86 e) pernicious ... charmed
1110568827 M * jd86 and i know about 2 of those words 
1110568831 M * daniel_hozac lol
1110568868 M * Bertl well, I know most of them, but the first part doesn't make sense for me ...
1110568888 M * Bertl (but I'm no native english speaker ... so that might be fine ;)
1110568890 M * jd86 math isnt that hard
1110568899 M * jd86 i'll just do all of the questions i kn ow and such
1110568953 M * Bertl I would remove the 'in' and take c)
1110568993 M * jd86 the answer is d
1110569034 M * jd86 here how bout a math one?
1110569041 M * Bertl yeah, sure ...
1110569060 M * jd86 if 3^(x+2)=243 what is the value of x
1110569071 M * jd86 a is 1 b is 2 all the way to e which is 5
1110569092 M * jd86 note this is all timed. Little time to do this shit
1110569133 M * Bertl 3
1110569139 M * jd86 yep
1110569145 M * jd86 but taking that long on the sat would hurt
1110569174 M * Bertl probably, but you do not have to fight a bad network connection there ;)
1110569234 M * jd86 oh true true
1110569236 M * jd86 gthere are more
1110569240 M * jd86 want another math?
1110569264 M * Bertl sure ...
1110569266 M * jd86 if (x-2)^2 = 2x-1 which of the following is a possible value of x?
1110569275 M * jd86 a 1 b 2 c 3 d 6 e 7
1110569286 M * Bertl a?
1110569296 M * jd86 yep
1110569322 M * jd86 i'd not be worried about it if i had taken the sat review class or even looked at a book about it
1110569363 M * jd86 if x^y * x^6 = x^54 and (x^3)^z = x^9 then y+z =
1110569478 M * Bertl 51 damn connection!
1110569513 M * jd86 yep
1110569521 M * jd86 now will you go pretend to be me and do the math part?
1110569536 M * Bertl hehe ;)
1110569551 M * jd86 i am really so screwed its not funny and i will prob take this at least one or two more times
1110569554 M * jd86 but oh well.
1110569581 M * Bertl well, why didn't you study that stuff a little before?
1110569636 M * jd86 well i most certinaly would have i if i had signed up for a reasonable time test i mean my mom was like you're taking it this date blaob albalkj and i'm like alright and i didnt expect to even get to look at the crap so i think its quite foolish to take it now but i am and i'm not worried that i'm going to do horrible on it
1110569701 M * Bertl i.c.
1110570057 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection
1110572578 M * Bertl okay, back later ...
1110572590 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1110572593 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer
1110573992 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1110574002 M * Bertl back now ...
1110575662 N * sladen_ sladen
1110577199 J * tad ~truex@static-151-204-232-50.bos.east.verizon.net
1110577226 M * Bertl welcome tad!
1110577258 M * tad HI everyone - just lurking for a bit
1110577284 M * Bertl lurk on ...
1110577301 M * jd86 hello berni_ 
1110577303 M * jd86 oops
1110577315 M * jd86 damn tab completion s/berni_/Bertl
1110577476 M * Bertl hey jd87 *oops* damn coprocessor completion ;)
1110577900 J * kjo ~krischan@pD95EBE77.dip.t-dialin.net
1110578498 J * ntrs ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com
1110578747 M * Bertl welcome kjo!
1110578997 Q * tad Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10
1110579253 M * kjo Hi Bertl
1110579284 M * kjo I didn't come back to you with my problem, because I had no time to work on it.
1110579287 M * kjo cebit...
1110579426 M * Bertl np
1110580947 J * c4y0 ~c4y0@200.75.68.67
1110580989 M * Bertl welcome c4y0!
1110581000 M * c4y0 hi!
1110581913 J * ccooke ~ccooke@spc1-walt1-4-0-cust221.asfd.broadband.ntl.com
1110581921 M * Bertl hey ccooke!
1110581938 M * matti Bertl: :]
1110581945 M * Bertl ah, matti!
1110581952 M * matti Hello ;]
1110581965 M * Bertl what's up? anything fine?
1110581972 M * Bertl *everything of course
1110581991 M * ccooke Evening
1110582076 M * matti :>
1110582097 M * matti Bertl: What is the latest version of vServer for 2.4?
1110582170 M * Bertl 1.2.10
1110582200 M * Bertl (see topic ;)
1110582207 M * matti Oh... ;]
1110582217 M * matti http://torn.ii.uj.edu.pl/~matti/otsedom_480_dl.mov
1110582228 M * matti SW EP III, w'll be quite nice ;]
1110582271 M * Bertl hmm, guess I have nothing to play .mov files ...
1110582324 M * matti Bertl: MPlayer?
1110582329 M * matti :<
1110582355 M * Bertl .mpg would be fine ...
1110582371 M * matti OK, I'll try make mpg from this Apple crap.
1110582397 M * matti BTW, vServer for 2.4 is not so feature-rich as 2.6 version?
1110582404 M * Bertl hmm, apple crap, good point, let me get the powerbook
1110582411 M * matti Ahahahaa.
1110582412 M * matti :]
1110582438 M * matti PowerBook... Nice...
1110582438 M * matti ;]
1110582445 M * matti G4?
1110582468 M * Bertl yep, G4/Titanium ...
1110582481 M * matti Whoa...
1110582483 M * matti 17"?
1110582531 A * matti dreams about 1.9.x for 2.4 ;]
1110582544 M * kjo my mplayer shows the video, but not the audio
1110582633 M * matti Hmm...
1110582654 M * matti kjo: Some errors or missing codec?
1110582689 M * kjo QuickTime6.3 DLLs found
1110582689 M * kjo QuickTime.qts patched!!! old entry=0x6693c3e0
1110582689 M * kjo theQuickTimeDispatcher catched -> 0x6693c3e0
1110582690 M * kjo WARNING! Invalid Ptr handle!
1110582691 M * kjo ADecoder preinit failed :(
1110582693 M * kjo ADecoder init failed :(
1110582697 M * kjo Cannot find codec for audio format 0x324D4451.
1110582699 M * kjo Read DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html!
1110582743 M * matti Hmm...
1110582771 M * kjo Maybe too old dll's
1110582781 M * kjo Looks I have to buy a powerbook :)
1110582782 M * matti Maybe.
1110582789 M * matti kjo: :D
1110582799 M * Bertl hmm, interesting last OS update removed the ~ completely from the keyboard it seems :/
1110582826 M * kjo Bertl: Give us names :)
1110582830 M * matti Bertl: You mean Safari?
1110582846 M * Bertl ah, no it's now at ALT-n, how intuitive ;)
1110582871 Q * c4y0 Quit: BitchX: born to raise hell
1110582873 M * matti ;-P
1110583180 M * Bertl matti: well, start backporting stuff from 2.6 ...
1110583207 M * matti It's not so bad idea.
1110583209 M * matti :>
1110583419 M * matti kjo: Hm... I launch mov to mpeg conversion ;] W'll what w'll happen' ;]
1110583430 M * matti kjo: 5% done... ;]
1110583710 M * matti s/W\'ll\ what/W\'ll\ see\ what/ :]
1110583794 A * kjo has to leave for bed
1110583796 M * kjo n8
1110583798 Q * kjo Quit: Verlassend
1110583809 M * matti OK... Night.
1110583856 M * matti OK, coversion sucks a lot ;]
1110583859 M * matti ;P
1110583913 M * Bertl the 10% I already downloaded look and sound fine (.mov on the pp)
1110583956 M * matti :>
1110584450 J * hws123 ~sebastian@p508CF8E4.dip.t-dialin.net
1110584452 M * hws123 hi
1110584460 M * Bertl welcome hws123!
1110584527 M * hws123 I am about to install my first vserver and when I start it I get the following error message: Error: /proc must be mounted, To mount /proc at boot you need an /etc/fstab line like... - I did put the exact line in my /vservers/template/etc/fstab file but it does not work any ideas?
1110584541 M * Bertl proc security
1110584557 M * Bertl which distro/tools?
1110584566 M * hws123 ok, what about my fstab file, what must it look like? just the proc line and that's it?
1110584581 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Proc-Security
1110584587 M * Bertl has nothing to do with your fstab
1110584604 M * Bertl you need to run the vprocunhide script on startup
1110584612 M * Bertl (startup of the host that is)
1110584613 M * daniel_hozac you'd probably want /dev/pts as well.
1110584628 M * Bertl normally that is automatically done by the vprocunhide runlevel script
1110584648 M * hws123 ah, ok. cool and what do I have to put in /etc/fstab inside the vserver environment, just nothing (except proc) or the same than outside of the vserver?
1110584703 M * hws123 I am using Gentoo, util-vserver 0.30.204 and 1.9.4 of the kernel sources
1110584720 M * Bertl ah, that explains why the init script is not run ;)
1110584784 M * hws123 no, it seems ok right now, hold on a second
1110584829 M * hws123 by the way, would somebody be so kind to answer my /etc/fstab question. what must be in this file in the vserver environment?
1110584838 M * hws123 thank you all by the way for helping me out
1110584846 M * Bertl depends on what you want to mount ...
1110584940 M * daniel_hozac the one inside the vserver doesn't matter.
1110584940 M * hws123 well, I just want to give them a normal file system, I have in my non-vserver environment /dev/hda1-3 as boot, swap and /
1110584945 M * hws123 ah ok
1110585182 M * hws123 It's really a mess to get vserver running on Gentoo
1110585207 M * Bertl hmm, any suggestions to 'improve' that?
1110585303 M * hws123 Yeah, I will post information, as soon as I got this thing running :-)
1110585305 M * hws123 mount: none already mounted or . busy
1110585325 M * hws123 What does that mean? I did change the init script to run vprocunhide before starting the vservers
1110585348 M * hws123 in the file /vservers/template/etc/fstab the only line is
1110585371 M * hws123 is that correct? mount: none already mounted or . busy
1110585372 M * Bertl wohoo, wait, where did you put the vprocunhide?
1110585382 M * hws123 sorry, I have /proc   /proc   proc    defaults
1110585401 M * hws123 in my /vservers/template/etc/fstab by the way
1110585407 M * hws123 Gentoo provides a init script
1110585421 M * Bertl I mean, on the host or for the vserver?
1110585438 M * hws123 So when I start my vserver with the original vserver init script I get the following error message
1110585442 M * hws123 on the host
1110585447 M * hws123 (hold on a second)
1110585479 M * hws123 mount: none already mounted or . busy
1110585495 M * hws123 as well as /etc/vservers/template/fstab:1:1: failed to mount fstab-entry
1110585510 M * hws123 I did redo the changes I have made to the init script
1110585514 M * Bertl yeah, /proc and /dev/pts is mounted by default
1110585520 M * hws123 so what might cause this problem?
1110585526 M * Bertl should not need any fstab entry
1110585548 M * Bertl but let me check that ...
1110585564 M * Bertl but I'm still not sure what you are doing with the vprocunhide
1110585587 M * Bertl (and I suspect you are using it the wrong way)