1110154530 T * services.oftc.net http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.5-rc1, ng9.2 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1110158706 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1110158716 M * Bertl evening folks! 1110158784 M * Doener wb Bertl! 1110158798 M * Bertl hey Doener! everything fine? 1110158803 M * Doener yep 1110158845 M * Doener what about you? 1110158919 M * Bertl yeah, fell asleep a few hours ago, but now I'm ready to get some stuff done ... 1110159005 M * Bertl unfortunately the quad (test machine) didn't come back, so my 'planned' tests are not possible right now ... 1110159313 M * Doener so, what does your new plan look like? 1110159425 M * Bertl well, I'm thinking about investigating debugfs and maybe create a custom fs for the proc stuff? 1110159440 M * Bertl (similar to nfsfs) 1110159455 A * Doener goes looking for nfsfs 1110159516 M * Doener it's not some part of nfs is it? 1110159632 M * Bertl it's part of nfsd v3+ 1110159949 M * Bertl forget about nfsfs, the idea is to move the /proc/virtual into a custom virtual filesystem 1110159967 M * daniel_hozac why? 1110159968 M * Doener what's the reason behind that? 1110160012 M * Bertl two things: first, we can clean up the code around that, and maybe make it performant enough to support advanced stuff there 1110160035 M * Bertl second it would allow to mount it just on the host (adding secuirty) 1110160071 M * Bertl ah, and I forgot, a third one: we could decouple it from proc (inode wise) 1110160083 Q * rs Read error: Operation timed out 1110160259 M * Bertl any arguments against it? well, I don't think it's that important to do that right now, btw ;) 1110160460 M * Doener hm.. no, i guess not 1110160486 J * chairuou ~chairuou@210.245.72.3 1110160558 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: any comments? 1110160562 M * Bertl welcome chairuou! 1110160599 M * daniel_hozac no, sounds sane. 1110160650 M * Bertl any stuff maybe which you folks consider really important right now? 1110160733 M * chairuou Bertl ? 1110160861 M * Bertl yes? 1110161534 J * rs ~rs@194.98.28.50 1110161777 M * Bertl welcome back rs! 1110161910 M * Bertl @all: what is your opinion regarding ngnet usability? how far are we away from replacing existing networking stuff? 1110161938 M * Bertl what needs to be done and how should we integrate it once it is done? 1110162911 M * Bertl no opinions? 1110162956 M * Doener i think we should integrate it as an alternative first, just to get more folks aware of it, and probably a few more testers ;) 1110162974 M * Bertl yes, as a kernel option, right? 1110162989 M * Doener iow once it works (for us) we could integrate it and tag it experimental, as it is done in vanilla kernels 1110162991 M * Doener yep 1110163047 M * Bertl yes, I agree with that ... I even think that the 'old' network stuff might stay there for some longer, maybe far past 2.0 1110163086 M * Bertl not because of compatibility, because it might suit some needs better than the ngnet approach 1110163548 Q * rs Remote host closed the connection 1110163577 J * rs ~rs@194.98.28.10 1110163589 M * Bertl wb rs! 1110163903 M * Bertl ah, I have a brilliant idea what we could do/test right now! ;) 1110163933 M * Bertl let's try to separate legacy context from legacy network stuff ... 1110163959 M * Bertl (so that disabling legacy context stuff should work with 2.6/0.30.204) 1110164784 M * Doener yeah, sounds good! 1110164970 Q * maharaja Read error: Operation timed out 1110164970 M * Bertl btw, just added those: 1110164973 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-1.9.5/delta-rss-fix01.diff 1110164982 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-1.9.5/delta-vciconfig-feat01.diff 1110165003 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-1.9.5/delta-onhold-fix02.diff 1110165010 M * Bertl any comments? 1110165169 M * Doener looks good 1110169777 Q * mugwump Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1110170589 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-1.9.5/delta-legacynet-feat01.diff 1110170609 M * Bertl hmm, seems like the tools need some changes to use that properly ... 1110170618 M * Bertl they still try to create xid=1 for example ... 1110170959 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now .. night everyone! 1110170976 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1110171157 Q * nox Ping timeout: 483 seconds 1110171174 J * nox ~nox@213.39.207.93 1110175700 J * DaPhreak ~DaPhreak@pc-outside.uni-greifswald.de 1110175871 J * mugwump ~samv@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1110176256 J * DaPhreak_ ~DaPhreak@pc-outside.uni-greifswald.de 1110176278 Q * DaPhreak Killed (NickServ command used by DaPhreak_) 1110176293 N * DaPhreak_ DaPhreak 1110178318 Q * DaPhreak Quit: leaving 1110180193 Q * _are_ Quit: Disconnecting 1110181520 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net 1110182315 N * Doener Doener|zZz 1110183267 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-157-168-240.ppp.tiscali.fr 1110183555 Q * DuckMaster Read error: Operation timed out 1110183582 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at 1110183725 J * DaPhreak ~DaPhreak@pc-outside.uni-greifswald.de 1110184764 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandrakesoft.com 1110185251 M * bro mornin` all 1110185542 J * mhepp ~mhepp@r30s12p13.home.nbox.cz 1110186861 J * FEN_HIN ~JFOC@latarius.tkdgroup.com 1110187179 Q * mhepp Quit: KVIrc 3.0.1.99 'Realia' 1110187444 M * bro i was wondering, are there some disk context limits? meaning that i can set disk limits for a vserver that it f.e. cant use more than 3gigs of disk space 1110187694 M * SiD3WiNDR yes 1110187707 M * SiD3WiNDR I dont know how thought, haven't figurd it out 1110187713 M * SiD3WiNDR check the site/wiki, should be written there :) 1110187718 M * SiD3WiNDR Bertl_zZ surely knows when he wakes up ;) 1110188781 M * DaPhreak new grsec-vserver :) 1110188784 M * DaPhreak https://141.53.8.70/~heim/Experimental/patch-2.6.11-vs1.9.5-rc1-grsec-2.1.2-200503061645.diff 1110188794 M * DaPhreak prae: ? 1110188841 J * Pazzo ~thomas@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1110188860 M * FEN_HIN wow 1110188967 M * prae DaPhreak: yes ? 1110188981 Q * FEN_HIN Read error: Connection reset by peer 1110188993 J * FEN_HIN ~JFOC@latarius.tkdgroup.com 1110189075 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.68 1110191662 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com 1110191678 J * cc ~codecrusa@195.246.161.1 1110191704 N * cc cc__ 1110191712 M * cc__ hi 1110191796 M * cc__ is it possible to have more than 1 vservers with S_FLAGS=fakeinit ? 1110191799 Q * FEN_HIN Read error: Connection reset by peer 1110191805 J * FEN_HIN__ ~JFOC@latarius.tkdgroup.com 1110191841 M * cc__ I get "chcontext: vc_new_s_context(): Operation not permitted" when I want to enter the 2. vserver with fakeinit.... 1110192418 Q * chairuou Quit: 1110192679 J * Duckx ~duckx@195.75.27.158 1110194611 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Operation timed out 1110195359 Q * matti Quit: 8-X 1110197412 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1110197426 M * Bertl morning folks! 1110197432 M * DaPhreak morning Bertl :) 1110197492 M * Bertl bro: yes, there are, they are called Per Context Disk Limits (included in 1.9.x and available with the quota patch for 1.2.x) 1110197522 M * Bertl morning DaPhreak! 1110197581 M * Bertl cc__: there is (should be) no problem with more than 1 fakeinit vserver, please provide some details like kernel patch version, userspace tools, distro and configuration ... 1110197665 M * erwan_taf hi Bertl 1110197743 M * Bertl hey erwan! 1110197962 M * BWare morning 1110198225 M * Bertl morning BWare! 1110198642 M * Bertl okay, back a little later ... 1110198656 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1110199366 J * FEN_HIN ~JFOC@latarius.tkdgroup.com 1110199368 Q * FEN_HIN__ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1110199597 Q * nox Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.0.5 1110200292 J * _are_ ~are@gateway-dsl.lihas.de 1110200294 M * _are_ Hi 1110200891 M * TheSeer hi 1110200993 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1110201168 Q * TheSeer Remote host closed the connection 1110201466 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net 1110201946 M * _are_ uhm, anyone has an alpha util-vserver .deb by chance? I know there had been some around, but I can't remember the location, nor find it at the vserver-page or with google. 1110201965 M * TheSeer just compile the tools 1110201969 M * TheSeer it's not THAT hard :-P 1110201994 M * _are_ TheSeer: I did it in the past and it is not that hard, but why the hassle foir the next version if someone has packages? 1110202113 M * TheSeer well.. i can see your point ;> 1110202170 M * _are_ compiling is a matter of unpacking and typing 'make_soft' here, so really not hard, even easy to remove it again if not wanted anymore, I still prefer a .deb 1110202186 M * TheSeer ;) 1110202195 M * TheSeer rpmbuild -tb .tar.bz2 1110202196 M * TheSeer ;> 1110202211 M * _are_ followed by 'alien' ;) 1110202237 M * _are_ a possibility, but not the intended way. 1110202265 M * TheSeer *g* 1110202645 J * nox ~vps@213.39.207.93 1110202759 M * _are_ Hi nox 1110202770 M * nox hi _are_ 1110203027 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl 1110203871 Q * DaPhreak Quit: going home, have phun ;P 1110204119 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1110204142 M * Bertl afternoon folks! 1110204195 M * alexx aftertoon Bertl 1110204208 M * _are_ Hi Bertl 1110204235 M * Bertl hey nox! LTNS! 1110204250 M * Bertl hey alexx, _are_! 1110204375 M * _are_ does anyone have experience with running vserver on top of uml? Would be nice for presentation work. 1110204394 M * BWare afternnon 1110204399 M * BWare afternoon even 1110204471 M * Bertl _are_: it should work fine, if not, please report a bug, we'll fix it ;) 1110204485 M * Bertl btw, for presentation QEMU is much simpler to handle ... 1110204520 M * Bertl (well, needs some more preparations though) 1110204622 M * _are_ qemu i seem unable to do anything useful with, seems qemu and myself have very different ideas on what 'networking' means 1110204665 M * Bertl hmm, interesting ;) 1110204797 M * Bertl well, I did the nfs server-client debugging with two QEMUs ... but that's another story ... 1110205211 M * alexx is it normal that swap is totally full into a vserver, and empty on the host ? 1110205434 J * IceTi 125@mw635449.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 1110205438 M * IceTi hallo 1110205440 M * IceTi hello 1110205451 M * IceTi herbet? 1110205455 M * IceTi herbert? 1110205479 M * IceTi poe?zl 1110205489 M * alexx total used free shared buffers cached 1110205493 M * alexx Swap vserver: 102392 102392 0 1110205493 M * alexx Swap host: 102392 0 102392 1110205535 M * alexx (using 2.6.11 - vs 1.9.4 with util-vserver 0.30.204 1110205535 M * alexx ) 1110205548 M * IceTi nobody here? 1110205568 M * IceTi :-( 1110205657 M * Bertl hey IceTi! 1110205666 M * IceTi herbert? 1110205688 M * Bertl yep, that's correct! Timo I guess? 1110205979 M * IceTi yes 1110205988 M * IceTi sprichst du deutsch? 1110206006 M * Bertl welcome to the channel then! 1110206015 M * IceTi thx 1110206026 M * Bertl yes I speak german too, but the channel is english ... 1110206044 M * Bertl (if you really have to, msg me in private ;) 1110206144 M * Bertl alexx: do you use memory limits and what do the other fields say? 1110206148 J * Arianna_21 ~Paulina@micomisariato.telconet.net 1110206162 M * Bertl welcome Arianna_21! 1110206167 M * Arianna_21 hi 1110206179 M * alexx Bertl, what other field you want to see ? 1110206194 M * Bertl alexx: basically /proc/meminfo (on host and guest) 1110206222 M * alexx hum, can i flood the chan with this informations ? ;) 1110206244 M * Bertl no, please use pastebin.com or so ... 1110206406 M * alexx http://alex.ikse.org/vserver.meminfo 1110206415 M * alexx http://alex.ikse.org/host.meminfo 1110206440 M * Bertl tx 1110206668 M * Arianna_21 somebody know something about diskless workstations?? 1110206687 M * Bertl probably ;) 1110206756 M * Arianna_21 Bertl: do you know?? 1110206788 M * Bertl yeah, guess I know _something_ about diskless workstations .. but how is that linux-vserver related? 1110206835 M * Arianna_21 by nfs 1110206869 M * Bertl linux-vserver via nfs? is that the question? 1110207142 M * Arianna_21 oh no 1110207150 M * Arianna_21 wait 1110207314 J * kevinp ~kevinp@ny.webpipe.net 1110207334 M * Bertl welcome kevinp! 1110207343 M * kevinp Bertl: Thanks for the email! 1110207358 M * kevinp I just sent the email about the memory problems 1110207376 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1110207397 M * Bertl Arianna_21: take your time ... 1110207409 Q * FEN_HIN Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1110207416 M * kevinp I'm not sure how to check if I'm running strict or overcommit, is there a quick way to see? 1110207463 M * erwan_taf cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit 1110207476 M * kevinp Like I said in the email - I'm a newbie in the vserver world 1110207486 M * erwan_taf cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory 1110207497 M * kevinp cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory 1110207497 M * kevinp 0 1110207505 M * erwan_taf 0 is the default mdoe 1110207515 M * Bertl so that means overcommit, yes 1110207536 M * Bertl 1 and 2 means no overcommit (2 is more flexible) 1110207550 M * Bertl (not sure that 2.4.x implements mode 2) 1110207554 M * erwan_taf When this flag is 0, the kernel attempts to estimate the amount 1110207556 M * erwan_taf of free memory left when userspace requests more memory. 1110207556 M * erwan_taf When this flag is 1, the kernel pretends there is always enough 1110207556 M * erwan_taf memory until it actually runs out. 1110207556 M * erwan_taf When this flag is 2, the kernel uses a "strict overcommit" 1110207556 M * erwan_taf policy that attempts to prevent any overcommit of memory. 1110207567 M * kevinp ok 1110207592 M * Bertl thanks erwan! 1110207595 M * erwan_taf /usr/src/linux/Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting 1110207619 M * kevinp Is there an online link so I can do some more reading on this? 1110207726 M * Bertl that's part of the kernel documentation 1110207741 M * Bertl so if you got the kernel source, it's already there ... 1110207765 M * erwan_taf http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.6/src/Documentation/vm??nav=index.html|src/|src/Documentation 1110207770 M * Bertl but you can google for 'linux strict overcommit' and I guess you'll find a bunch of more or less useful sites 1110208061 M * kevinp Do you think that it is possible that we are swapping so much that the software RAID is just dying? 1110208075 M * kevinp or taking the server down? 1110208094 M * Bertl sure, can happen .. question is, do you have the swap on raid too? 1110208104 M * kevinp how much RAM should there be per vserver? 1110208119 M * kevinp yes, everything is running off of the software raid 1110208169 M * Bertl how much ram would you put into a normal linux server? 32MB ? 1110208210 M * kevinp :) But doesn't each vserver share some memory, or is it completely isolated? 1110208239 M * kevinp I may be getting confused with UML 1110208274 M * SiD3WiNDR heheh 1110208274 M * SiD3WiNDR 40 vservers on 1GB 1110208277 M * SiD3WiNDR that's nice 1110208289 M * SiD3WiNDR I have 6 on 512M:p 1110208301 M * kevinp what can I say? I inherited a nice mess... 1110208311 M * Bertl kevinp: no, they share memory ... 1110208311 M * _are_ kevinp: there is some shared RAM, but then again, it depends what you do with it. 1110208327 M * _are_ 100 same webservers need less ram than 100 different servers 1110208341 M * Bertl but not everything can be shared ... processes like httpd and such usually serve different contents (for example) 1110208441 M * kevinp I see. So here's another question. If I were to bring up a new server, would it be best to use CentOS 4 (RHEL 4) with the latest patch, or stick with the 2.4 kernel? 1110208529 M * _are_ afaik 2.6 has a better memory management for machines with >1G RAM than 2.4, I use 2.6 kernels on my vservers 1110208562 M * kevinp Is there any documentation out there with what other people are running? system specs and uses? 1110208565 M * _are_ but others claim them to be unstable, however, I think my hangs so far mostly came from using 64-bit Opteron installations and reiserfs 1110208587 M * _are_ there is some 'vserver users' section on the wiki 1110208722 M * _are_ most people I have met in here use Debian or Gentoo as distributions on anything from uni- to multiprocessor. I myself use Debian sarge on a dual Opteron with 8GB RAM in a mixed 64/32 bit environment and sarge on a dual Xeon ... 1110208722 M * _are_ with 2GB RAM with so far no serious vserver related problems. 1110208745 M * Bertl kevinp: 2.4 kernel is definitely _more_ stable and tested than 2.6 (with or without vserver patches) 1110208764 M * Bertl but the 2.6/1.9.x is where the features are ... 1110208794 M * _are_ well, in any case I would avoid using the old util-verserver packages / old configuration scheme 1110208808 M * kevinp I think that is the real issue (features), I don't want one vserver taking down the rest 1110208814 N * BobR_oO BobR 1110208818 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Release+FAQ 1110208829 M * _are_ the rest can mostly be exchanged on the fly, if you don't actually depend on a feature 1110208878 M * kevinp How easy/hard is it to migrate vservers from one box to another? Do they both need to be running the same versions? 1110208892 M * _are_ faq says: just rync :-) 1110208900 M * _are_ and I strongly believe this is true. 1110208905 M * _are_ *rsync 1110208927 M * Bertl yes, rsync, dump, tar ... 1110208940 M * Bertl the only important detail if you move between versions is: 1110208963 M * kevinp Out of curiosity this morning, I rsynced one test vserver from the one box to another (I think they are even the same configuration) and I got several errors on startup - sendmail, etc. 1110208966 M * Bertl - new style configs are only understood by new tools 1110209007 M * kevinp I didn't look into it too much yet to see what the prob was 1110209009 M * Bertl kevinp: did you rsync it while it was running? 1110209024 Q * IceTi Quit: get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net :: 1110209042 M * kevinp I think so, I stopped it before I started it on the other server, but yeah, I probably had it running. 1110209060 M * Bertl and did you copy the configuration over? 1110209077 M * kevinp Yes, from /etc/vservers/ 1110209110 M * BWare kevinp: Probably an owner/permission problem on those files 1110209163 M * kevinp That brings up another question I've had, are there any utilities out there for backing up vservers? If vservers share files is there a way to just backup the files they have different from the base skel? 1110209197 M * Bertl well, that's why I keep suggesting dump/restore ... 1110209225 M * Bertl dump works on inode level, so hardlinks are preserved properly, same for user ids and permissions 1110209261 M * Bertl of course that doesn't help if you move 'just' the vserver, but then you can re-unify it against another one or a template 1110209310 M * kevinp ok, that makes sense. 1110209391 M * Bertl I've moved many vservers across the internet, and they always ended up fine ... 1110209428 M * Bertl (but that's just me who didn't bother to get rsync working yet ;) 1110209728 Q * BWare Read error: Connection reset by peer 1110209739 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net 1110209934 Q * Arianna_21 Quit: Client Exiting 1110210045 M * Bertl alexx: hmm, the swapfree indeed looks strange ... do you use any memory limits? 1110210066 M * alexx i don't think 1110210106 M * Bertl could you upload the output of 'cat /proc/virtual//*' please? (feel free to remove sensitive information) 1110210258 M * alexx http://alex.ikse.org/vserver.proc 1110210271 M * alexx no sensitive data ... just a test machine for now ;) 1110210945 M * Bertl tx, well, you'll never know ;) 1110211772 M * kevinp Another quick question, I remember seeing somewhere the concept of network throttling, is that in vserver or the virtual networking? 1110211879 M * Bertl no, but it is available via tc (on every linux box) 1110211900 M * Bertl conifured properly you have perfectly fine control over outgoing traffic 1110211914 M * kevinp ok, thanks! 1110212434 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving 1110212807 J * rpetre ~marvin@83.166.220.142 1110212845 M * rpetre hello 1110212936 J * sayler ~sayler@206.126.251.167 1110213076 M * _are_ hi rpetre 1110213151 M * sayler Question: is Debian as a host being used by any of the core developers ? 1110213185 Q * rs Quit: leaving 1110213227 M * Bertl sayler: I guess not ;) 1110213244 M * Bertl welcome rpetre! 1110213247 M * sayler Is there a desire to have a debian guy ? 1110213300 M * Bertl would you like to join linux-vserver development? 1110213306 M * sayler quite possibly 1110213308 M * sayler we use it here 1110213325 M * sayler We have about 4 ddebian boxes running vserver patches of various version 1110213341 M * sayler and we use it in production for several large clients (Burker King, Financial Times, etc.) 1110213375 M * Bertl kernel or userspace, what do you have in mind? 1110213417 M * sayler kernel, first off (since vserver current does not apply to the debian kernel sources 1110213429 M * sayler (a few rejets in mm/mmap.c) 1110213437 M * Bertl done any linux-kernel work before? 1110213455 M * Bertl (not that it matters, help is always welcome ;) 1110213459 M * sayler a long time ago ;) 1110213470 M * sayler the kernel works once I patch the patch 1110213471 M * sayler ;) 1110213483 M * daniel_hozac didn't Ola say he uploaded debs to experimental a few days ago? 1110213491 M * sayler I don't know 1110213493 M * sayler that would e nice 1110213495 M * sayler :-) 1110213508 M * sayler this weekend, I was reminded of how much of a pain it is to get vserver runnign on debian -- and it really shouldn't be 1110213512 M * sayler ;) 1110213524 M * sayler I built a new machine out, and ended up building the kernel from scratch and the userspace tools from scratch 1110213545 M * sayler some basic documentation addition would even be good, but I'm not sure who to atlk to about them 1110213546 M * Bertl well, I have a few issues with the debian policy ... 1110213549 M * sayler :-) 1110213593 M * Bertl and currently I don't see why an untested 'debian' kernel should be better than a well-tested vanilla kernel (with linux-vserver patch ;) 1110213600 M * SiD3WiNDR I always do the kernel from scratch anyway 1110213643 M * Bertl sayler: don't get me wrong, if somebody does the job for the debian stuff, it's pretty fine for me (and guess the debian folks would appreciate it ;) 1110213649 M * sayler I'm merely talking about making it easier to work on debian -- not even packaging it at present 1110213688 M * Bertl I did a 2.4 vserver install on debian once, and it went pretty smooth (probably because I did not use _any_ debian packages/tools ;) 1110213744 M * Bertl vserver test build -m debootstrap ... -- -d woody 1110213754 M * sayler for example, the fact that you need vlan and iproute installed to build the utils 1110213767 M * sayler those are the current package named 1110213770 M * sayler names 1110213785 M * Bertl yes, is that a problem on debian? 1110213787 M * sayler right. How hard is it to get some notes added to the readme. 1110213797 M * Bertl which readme? 1110213806 M * sayler in the util-vserver tarball 1110213829 M * Bertl I'd say a patch to Enrico and if it makes sense, it will be in the next release ... 1110213837 M * sayler cool 1110213844 M * sayler baby steps! :-) 1110213886 M * SiD3WiNDR hehe 1110213896 M * SiD3WiNDR debian packages would be great 1110213914 M * SiD3WiNDR even if not on ftp.debian.org but some other repository until it's "mature" enough for debian 1110213936 M * Bertl I guess the main issue is that most of us are fighting against Ola not with him as it should be (even the debian folks here) 1110213948 M * sayler I'm not aware of the people issues here.... 1110213986 M * Bertl well, you should get aware ofsome, as Ola is the current debian maintainer for linux-vserver ... 1110214020 M * Bertl but reading up on the mailing list archives will paint a picture, I guess ... 1110214022 M * sayler Is Ola active in the project, or more a POC with debian -- I am not a member of Debian developers. 1110214026 M * sayler will do 1110214044 M * sayler We're pretty much a Debian shop here, and I love vservers. 1110214052 M * SiD3WiNDR POC? 1110214052 M * sayler they just don't play well together, always 1110214055 M * SiD3WiNDR proof of concept? :) 1110214059 M * sayler Point of Contact 1110214061 M * sayler sorry 1110214062 M * SiD3WiNDR ah ;) 1110214124 M * Bertl sayler: well, as usual, you can count on my support if you want to do serious work there ... 1110214126 M * sayler I've read the mailing list off and on for a while, but not much recently 1110214257 M * rpetre i try to use vservers on a machine with two providers and i ran into trouble with source routing 1110214274 M * rpetre any known solutions to that? 1110214299 M * Bertl proper configuration with iproute? 1110214307 M * rpetre :) 1110214311 M * SiD3WiNDR :) 1110214321 M * Bertl no, seriously it should not be that hard 1110214326 M * rpetre well, from the main context everything is great 1110214339 M * Bertl how did you test? 1110214350 M * rpetre mtr, mtr-a 1110214352 M * rpetre mtr, mtr -a 1110214378 M * Bertl with different source ips? 1110214383 M * rpetre yes 1110214395 M * Bertl well, what happens if you do: 1110214407 M * Bertl chbind --ip mtr .... 1110214415 M * Bertl (on the host) 1110214543 M * rpetre it ignores my "ip rule from" rules and goes along the default rute 1110214611 M * Bertl which kernel/patches? 1110214617 M * rpetre i found http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200311/0470.html , did you do something about it? 1110214731 M * rpetre 2.4.26, vserver 1.29 1110214849 M * Bertl hmm, did I do something about what? ;) 1110214980 M * rpetre uh, what i meant was: in that e-mail you were asking of the right way to solve a similar problem, i thought maybe there appeared a workaround in the meantime 1110215045 M * rpetre b) we add a 'source' address to the vserver config, which by default, is 0.0.0.0 and can be assigned some other ip (probably restricted to IPs from the config array) 1110215055 M * Bertl no we didn't bother adding this yet ... 1110215084 M * Bertl but do you want to have both routes in one vserver? 1110215089 M * rpetre no 1110215101 M * Bertl then it should not apply to your case at all 1110215134 M * rpetre so what can i do? 1110215159 M * Bertl well, first, try to explain your setup to me ... 1110215211 M * rpetre i have a vserver machine which recently acquired a second link to a different provider 1110215252 M * rpetre until now i didn't use the secondary link, now i'm trying to get a vserver to use the new one 1110215328 M * Bertl okay, fine, now let's procede to the network setup/details ;) 1110215371 M * rpetre each interface has one ip and a different ip class for the vservers 1110215431 P * sayler 1110215444 M * rpetre that's pretty much it, nothing else too fancy 1110215475 M * Bertl what does your route and rule tables show? 1110215485 M * rpetre i have two routing tables with the default routes in it 1110215509 M * Bertl can you msg me that in private? 1110215521 Q * _are_ Quit: Disconnecting 1110215538 M * rpetre ok, i really hate seeing my ips on the web logs :) 1110215750 M * Bertl okay, let me try to make a test/example with local ips, I'll try to create it with qemu, and you try to map it to your case later ... 1110215897 M * Bertl 90: tun0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 1110215897 M * Bertl link/ether aa:aa:aa:00:00:00 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 1110215897 M * Bertl inet 10.0.0.1/24 brd 10.0.0.255 scope global tun0 1110215908 M * Bertl 91: tun1: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 1110215908 M * Bertl link/ether aa:aa:aa:00:00:01 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 1110215908 M * Bertl inet 10.0.1.1/24 brd 10.0.1.255 scope global tun1 1110215935 M * Bertl the qemu vserver host sees eth0 and eth1, no config no routing yet 1110216069 M * Bertl first the essentials: 1110216070 M * Bertl # ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 1110216080 M * Bertl # ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255 1110216081 M * Bertl # ifconfig eth1 10.0.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.1.255 1110216105 M * Bertl now the test if we can reach the 'routers' 1110216145 M * Bertl # chbind --ip 10.0.0.2 ping -c 1 10.0.0.1 1110216152 M * Bertl PING 10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1) from 10.0.0.2 : 56(84) bytes of data. 1110216152 M * Bertl 64 bytes from 10.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=1.757 msec 1110216172 M * Bertl # chbind --ip 10.0.1.2 ping -c 1 10.0.1.1 1110216176 M * Bertl PING 10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1) from 10.0.1.2 : 56(84) bytes of data. 1110216176 M * Bertl 64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=2.565 msec 1110216201 M * Bertl now we need to setup the 'source' tables and rules 1110216296 M * Bertl hmm, sec, have to compile in routing tables ;) 1110216300 M * rpetre :) 1110216381 M * rpetre i am doing the same steps on my machine in paralel, i'll say if anything is different 1110216396 M * Bertl including the recompile *G* ;) 1110216435 M * rpetre no, i already did that one :D 1110216450 M * Bertl lol 1110216477 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting 1110216770 M * Bertl almost done ... 1110216986 M * Bertl okidoki, let's continue ... 1110216993 M * Bertl # ip route add 10.0.0.0/24 dev eth0 table 100 1110217001 M * Bertl # ip route add default via 10.0.0.1 dev eth0 table 100 1110217011 M * Bertl # ip rule add from 10.0.0.0/24 table 100 1110217029 M * Bertl and now the same for the second one .. 1110217034 M * Bertl # ip route add 10.0.1.0/24 dev eth1 table 101 1110217044 M * Bertl # ip route add default via 10.0.1.1 dev eth1 table 101 1110217050 M * Bertl # ip rule add from 10.0.1.0/24 table 101 1110217077 M * Bertl now I have two tcpdump each attached to one of the tun devices 1110217085 M * Bertl and if I do: 1110217093 M * Bertl # chbind --ip 10.0.0.2 ping -c 1 192.168.0.1 1110217099 M * Bertl PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) from 10.0.0.2 : 56(84) bytes of data. 1110217099 M * Bertl 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=6.766 msec 1110217108 M * Bertl this get's send over tun0 1110217112 M * Bertl while 1110217117 M * Bertl # chbind --ip 10.0.1.2 ping -c 1 192.168.0.1 1110217136 M * Bertl is sent over tun1, both reach the alias at dummy (created on the qemu host) 1110217197 M * rpetre ok, i'll explicitly add the routes into the custom tables, this seems to be the only difference 1110217225 M * Bertl I see a few other differences, namely the default route in your main/default table ... 1110217367 J * commander commander-@p5480541D.dip.t-dialin.net 1110217377 M * Bertl welcome commander! 1110217382 M * commander hi Bertl 1110217388 M * commander what a nice welcome ;) 1110217406 M * TheSeer Bertl is a bot :> 1110217408 A * TheSeer hides 1110217412 M * Bertl yeah, I'm specialized in automated welcomes ;) 1110217419 M * commander ah nice 1110217428 M * Bertl they are run on wet-ware over here ;) 1110217493 M * commander what do i need to run the application "screen" inside a vserver with kernel 2.6.11-rc3 and vserver 1.9.4 1110217515 M * commander i'm running gentoo linux here and also in my vservers 1110217519 M * Bertl the screen binary and a bunch of libraries I guess? 1110217539 M * commander yeah but it just says that it cant't open /dev/pts/0 1110217542 M * commander sorry i forgot that 1110217561 M * Bertl could be that you are not inside a vserver but just entered it from the host side? 1110217584 M * commander with vserver enter ? 1110217592 M * Bertl for example. 1110217600 M * commander oh , 1110217611 M * commander we'll i'll try it with ssh 1110217649 M * Bertl the thing here is that you already have a pts on the host, and it will not be migrated into the vserver ... 1110217666 M * commander ah ok , maybe thats the reason it doesn't work 1110217742 M * commander ok that was the solution ;) 1110217754 M * Bertl I thought about allowing that kind of access with a special flag but it wasn't worth the efford (and possible security issues)... because it's easier to start screen first, and then enter the vserver if you really want that ... 1110217779 M * commander ah ok 1110217810 M * Bertl well, so how do you like linux-vserver? 1110217817 M * commander well its great ;) 1110217841 M * commander compared with uml its more easier to install a linux in it ;) 1110217863 M * Bertl well, if you are happy with it, please consider adding yourself to the happy linux-vserver users (or hosting companies if appropriate) 1110217873 M * commander where to ? 1110217888 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/ (PR, VServer *) 1110217978 M * commander we'll first i should setup my servers correctly , than i'll add myself to the list 1110217997 M * Bertl np with that ... just wanted to mention it ;) 1110217998 M * commander some game server and web servers are waiting for me hehe 1110218073 Q * Duckx Quit: Leaving 1110218078 M * commander is it possible that there is a problem with proc security 1110218097 M * commander because my vservers always complain about a missing /proc mount 1110218107 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Documentation 1110218114 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Proc-Security 1110218127 M * commander yeah but these documents don't help my much 1110218147 M * Bertl from the second one ... 1110218148 M * Bertl vprocunhide 1110218148 M * Bertl With alpha util-vserver comes a tool called vprocunhide that sets reasonable flags for a number of proc entries that are generally needed to be visible. There is also an init script, normally located at /usr/local/etc/init.d/vprocunhide that you can use to include it in your boot process. 1110218182 M * commander yeah sure i know vprocunhide already , but i thought if there is another possibilty wihout it 1110218208 M * Bertl sure it is ... but that is the best way to set it up properly ... 1110218223 M * commander ah ok , if you say it ;) 1110218226 M * Bertl you can do 'setattr -R --~hide /proc' 1110218235 M * Bertl to disable proc security completely 1110218260 M * Bertl but as the name implies, this is 'insecure' ;) 1110218267 M * commander yeah but it works 1110218292 M * Bertl sure it works, you can even reboot your host from inside a vserver ;) 1110218316 M * commander hmm thats nice too ;) 1110218678 M * Bertl yeah, folks love it ... 1110218878 M * commander nice now every vserver hast the same hostname ? ;) 1110218900 M * Bertl did you set different ones? 1110218905 M * commander yes 1110218925 M * commander well there is sometimes a error with the security contexts 1110218929 M * DaCa Bertl: only when possessing CAP_SYS_BOOT I may hope? 1110218950 M * Bertl commander: let's have a look at /proc/virtual//cvirt 1110218954 M * commander CAP_SYS_BOOT sounds godd 1110218956 M * commander good 1110218973 M * Bertl DaCa: no, not required, /proc/sysrq-trigger is sufficient for example ... 1110219064 M * commander CAP_SYS_BOOT was the solution 1110219094 M * commander and there is no ..../virtual/xid/cvirt 1110219109 M * commander there is just a virtual/info 1110219137 M * Bertl is the context id of (on of) your vserver(s) 1110219144 M * Bertl *one even 1110219153 M * commander just virtual/info sorry ;) 1110219180 M * Bertl then none of your vservers is started ... 1110219202 M * Bertl s/started/running/ 1110219246 M * commander welnow i'm really confused ;) 1110219254 M * Bertl check with vserver-stat 1110219260 M * commander i realized that my server isn't running 1110219264 M * commander strange 1110219285 M * commander i'm connected to it by its IP but its just an alias for my host 1110219299 M * commander (why do i have always change my working configs) 1110219422 Q * DaCa Read error: Operation timed out 1110219720 M * commander so whats up with this warning: "WARNING: can not find configuration, assuming legacy method" 1110219747 M * commander the configs are in /etc/vservers and the vservers in /vservers 1110219763 M * commander this error seems to exist with vs1.9.4 1110219782 M * commander with vs1.9.3 there had been no such warning 1110219786 M * commander s/error/warning 1110219818 M * Bertl well, no, it is part of the newer tools ... 1110219832 M * Bertl (older tools will not show that message) 1110219848 M * Bertl it basically means that you use an old-style config for your vserver 1110219863 M * commander old style , nice 1110219890 M * Bertl may I ask what distro you use? 1110219896 M * commander gentoo linux 1110219911 M * Bertl so you started with 0.30 tools I guess? 1110219912 M * commander the ebuilds are made by Hollow , the gentoo dev working on the vservers 1110219932 M * commander 0.30.204 1110219941 M * Bertl hmm, you started with that one? 1110219953 M * commander sorry , no with 0.30 1110219966 M * Bertl okay, so 0.30 makes legacy configs ... 1110219969 M * commander is there such a big change in the config files 1110219987 M * Bertl yes, it is ... new features .. new structure .. new config ;) 1110220032 M * Bertl well, new is relative, new tools exist since more than a year now ;) 1110220145 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1110220155 M * Bertl wb DaCa! 1110220662 M * commander wow the new configuration way can't be called a config anymore 1110220977 M * Bertl is that good or bad? :) 1110221065 M * commander well on the one hand its good to configure so many parts of the whole vserver, but on the other hand its an horror to configurate it 1110221075 M * commander *configure 1110221088 M * Bertl that's why most of the configuration is done by the tools ;) 1110221116 Q * DaCa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1110221122 M * Bertl I agree that a lot more could be done by the tools, but that will come sooner or later 1110221624 J * matta-lt ~matta@69.93.28.254 1110221641 M * Bertl welcome matta-lt! 1110221733 Q * Zoiah Read error: Operation timed out 1110221899 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1110221968 M * Bertl wb erwan! 1110222375 N * BobR BobR_oO 1110222384 M * commander hmm tools ? i've just mentioned that you said something about tools 1110222417 M * commander do you think of vserver-build ? 1110222437 M * Bertl well, yes, it's used by 'vserver - build' ... 1110222447 M * commander too bad , that i can't use it ;) 1110222451 M * Bertl check 'vserver - build --help' 1110222458 M * Bertl why not? 1110222479 M * commander because vserver - build copies the content of the host and uses it for the vserver 1110222491 M * Bertl you think it does? 1110222491 M * commander well my host server hast the size of 60GB ;) 1110222496 M * commander installed 1110222502 M * commander s/hast/has 1110222537 M * Bertl well, read up friend: http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver 1110222619 M * commander nothing about gentoo there ;) 1110222637 M * commander i guess they all use prepared packages like rpm oder deb files 1110222695 M * Bertl well, I guess folks like Hollow should know how to handle that properly, no? 1110222702 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1110222718 A * Bertl is no expert on gentoo, but I guess there should be a way to install it into a directory ... no? 1110222729 M * commander Bertl, there is 1110222755 M * Bertl then just do whatever it takes, and then use the skeleton build ... 1110222768 M * Bertl (or the other way round, actually) 1110222807 M * commander Bertl, maybe you just have mentinoed that earlier , rm -rf vserver1 vserver2 .. is very nice ;) 1110222817 M * commander s/just/should 1110222970 M * commander well thx for the help so far 1110222973 M * commander cya later guys 1110222977 P * commander Abnormal Termination 1110223538 J * Zoiah Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net 1110224022 Q * erwan_ho Read error: Operation timed out 1110224111 M * Bertl wb Zoiah! 1110224168 M * micah this is odd 1110224174 M * micah I do not have the debian util-vserver package installed 1110224182 M * micah but when I try to start a vserver I am getting this error: 1110224183 M * micah The following problem(s) were encountered while verifying vshelper 1110224183 M * micah functionality: 1110224183 M * micah * The configured vshelper '"/usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper"' does not match the 'vshelper' 1110224186 M * micah script of the util-vserver package 1110224212 M * Bertl well, probably the debian packages manage to get it wrong somehow ;) 1110224231 M * micah but I do not have the debian package installed? 1110224232 M * Bertl search for vshelper and compar it to /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper 1110224297 M * micah I only have that one 1110224307 M * micah except for /usr/local/var/run/vshelper 1110224312 M * micah which is not a script, but a directory 1110224332 M * Bertl what about /sbin/vshelper ? 1110224332 M * micah and the source for two of them: 1110224332 M * micah /usr/src/util-vserver-0.30.196/scripts/vshelper 1110224338 M * micah /usr/src/util-vserver-0.30.201/scripts/vshelper 1110224353 M * micah nope, no /sbin/vshelper 1110224356 M * micah or /usr/sbin/vshelper 1110224370 M * Bertl cat /proc/sys/kernel/vshelper 1110224376 M * Bertl where does that point to? 1110224400 M * micah "/usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper" 1110224408 M * micah alos: 1110224409 M * micah also 1110224418 M * micah grep vshelper /etc/sysctl.conf 1110224418 M * micah kernel.vshelper = "/usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper" 1110224450 M * Bertl that's at least a little strange .. could you do a --debug run and upload that somewhere? 1110224465 M * micah the only thing that has changed on this machine is that I installed 2.6.11 + 1.9.5-rc1 (I was at 2.6.11-rc4 + 1.9.4-rc3) 1110224483 M * micah you mean vserver --debug run start 1110224483 M * micah ? 1110224494 M * Bertl yep or whatever command gives you that error 1110224660 M * micah Bertl: riseup.net/~micah/typescript.txt 1110224666 M * micah Bertl: http://riseup.net/~micah/typescript.txt 1110224705 M * Bertl tx 1110224728 M * micah no, tx to you :) 1110224741 M * Bertl my pleasure then! ;) 1110224787 M * micah I think I know the problem 1110224797 M * Bertl quotes? 1110224799 M * micah yep 1110224802 M * micah it is doing: /usr/bin/cmp -s '"/usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper"' /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper 1110224805 M * micah 0307 11:44:~/public_html% echo $? 1110224806 M * micah 2 1110224812 M * Bertl just got there ;) 1110224820 M * micah without the single quotes I get exit code 0 1110224841 M * micah I should change kernel.vshelper = "/usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper" 1110224846 M * micah to the same without quotes I guess 1110224868 M * Bertl maybe ... does the cat output the quotes too? 1110224878 M * Bertl because if so, then it's wrong in /proc/sys/kernel/vshelper 1110224886 M * micah yes, it does 1110224895 M * micah cat /proc/sys/kernel/vshelper 1110224895 M * micah "/usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vshelper" 1110224907 M * Bertl okay, then remove that from the config 1110224952 M * micah you mean remove the double quotes from the /etc/sysctl.conf 1110224955 M * micah ? 1110224957 M * Bertl yep 1110224991 M * micah yeah, if I echo that path to /proc/sys/kernel/vshelper without quotes, everything works again :) 1110225013 M * Bertl good! 1110225023 M * micah thanks :) 1110225030 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1110225801 M * micah I am wanting to setup ssh so that when a user connects over ssh/scp/sftp they are bounced into their specific vserver context where their files are. 1110225823 M * micah can I set up a specific "ssh" vserver and then somehow bounce people to the right place? 1110225849 M * jd86 whats -m skeleton do when building i dont exactly get it 1110226010 M * Bertl it makes an otherwise empty vserver (except for /dev and /proc entries) and a config 1110226130 J * redLED redled@d54C2CCE6.access.telenet.be 1110226139 M * Bertl hey, welcome redLED! 1110226144 M * redLED Hellow! :) 1110226157 M * redLED Phew, it's been a while since I last been here. 1110226161 M * Bertl LTNS! 1110226177 M * redLED ltns? 1110226202 M * Bertl long time no see ;) 1110226207 M * redLED oh 1110226209 M * redLED indeed :) 1110226219 M * redLED but hey, some things stay old no matter how much time passes 1110226227 M * redLED i'm still comin' over to ask if v6 works yet :) 1110226235 M * Bertl of course it does ;) 1110226240 M * redLED it does? 1110226245 M * Bertl ha got 'ya! 1110226252 M * Bertl well, yes and no ... 1110226257 M * redLED what's the no? 1110226275 M * Bertl we have ngnet up to some point working ... 1110226292 M * Bertl (and this includes ipv6) 1110226296 M * redLED oh 1110226301 M * redLED so at which point does it stop working? 1110226318 M * Bertl but a) it is absolutely untested with ipv6 so it might not work at all, no idea here ;) 1110226330 M * Bertl and b) you need to make some hacks to use it right now 1110226339 M * redLED we're talking iptables patches etc? 1110226344 M * redLED or are the hacks more extensive now? 1110226366 M * Bertl well, iptable patches, vnet tool, arp entries atm 1110226391 M * redLED oh, i get to manually assign arp entries to vservers? 1110226394 M * redLED thats rather nifty 1110226403 M * Bertl but I did test ssh, http and bind over ngnet 1110226427 M * Bertl it was a cool moment when we first 'successfully' logged in to a ngnet vserver ;) 1110226435 M * redLED hehe :) 1110226464 M * redLED the hacked iptables are host only? or vservers need hacked iptables inside of them as well? 1110226476 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1110226489 M * Bertl nope, everything on the host, except for the arp entries 1110226512 M * redLED hmm 1110226515 M * redLED interesting 1110226524 M * redLED is there anything known *not* to work with ngnet atm? 1110226533 M * redLED assuming the hacked iptables and tools are in place? 1110226540 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1110226545 M * micah Bertl: you said in http://vds.pas-mal.com/irclogs/vserver-log.20050211.html that it is possible to "make 100+ sshd logins, which bounce the user into a separate context ... but without running individual processes in them" by making a "vserver jail for sshd/ftpd logon" -- I can easily make a ssh vserver but I am looking for hints on how you were thinking to bounce users? 1110226568 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/trampoline.sh 1110226595 M * Bertl redLED: inter guest communication and host-guest communication doesn't work yet 1110226606 M * redLED ouch 1110226608 M * redLED hmm 1110226613 M * redLED so it's definitely not production quality yet 1110226623 M * Bertl the servers are truly separated right now 1110226629 A * micah climbs on the trampoline 1110226643 M * redLED truly seperate is good; but why can't i route between them? 1110226667 M * Bertl because you have no network connection between them, they 'share' the same interfaces 1110226679 M * Bertl it would probably work if you connect a crossover cable ;) 1110226691 M * redLED can i create TAP tunnels between them? 1110226695 M * redLED for internal communication? 1110226699 M * redLED hmm wait 1110226701 M * redLED that made no sense 1110226706 M * redLED erase and rewind. 1110226729 M * Bertl might be possible, if you have some app forwarding between two of them 1110226735 M * redLED okay, so no ipv6 for little redLED yet 1110226855 M * Bertl well, start testing so that ngnet becomes usable then ;) 1110226955 M * redLED i'm running short in physical boxes those days 1110226961 M * redLED have nothing non-production to play with anymore :( 1110226965 M * Bertl get a virtual then ;) 1110226968 M * redLED can only test if when it allready works, heh. 1110227250 M * Bertl well, if all folks think like that, it's a vicious circle I guess ... 1110227410 Q * erwan_ho Read error: Operation timed out 1110227418 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1110227492 M * Bertl okay, folks, I guess I'm off (maybe to bed) now or at least soon ... 1110227502 M * Bertl have a nice whatever, and cya tomorrow ... 1110227532 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1110227758 Q * redLED Quit: Leaving 1110227990 M * micah durn, missed Bertl_zZ 1110228009 M * micah I got the trampoline setup, but it has some strange problem I am not sure I understand 1110228019 M * micah when I ssh in, I get this: 1110228026 M * micah ARGS: 1110228026 M * micah CONTEXT: flat 1110228026 M * micah ---------------------- 1110228026 M * micah /bin/rm: cannot remove `/usr/local/var/run/vservers/flat': Permission denied 1110228026 M * micah 'vserver ... suexec' is support for running vservers only; aborting... 1110228034 M * micah the vserver is running for sure 1110228056 M * micah I am not sure what it is trying to remove 1110228189 J * Tbery ~tb@84.242.127.4 1110228195 M * Tbery Hi 1110228214 M * Tbery Bertl_zZ, at prague will biggest linux conferatoin.. 1110228224 M * Tbery Bertl_zZ, would you like to come?? 1110228281 M * micah Tbery: you just missed Bertl_zZ, I believe he went to sleep 1110228301 M * Tbery never mind 1110228322 M * micah Tbery: you should ask tomorrow! 1110228567 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-1-114.dclient.hispeed.ch 1110229026 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1110229614 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1110232483 Q * matta-lt Quit: Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go? 1110233001 Q * wishes Quit: leaving 1110234792 Q * BobR_oO Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1110235096 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.5-rc1, ng9.2 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1110235096 T * Bertl - 1110235111 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1110236269 J * prae ~prae@sherpadown.net 1110236548 J * Arianna_21 ~AAAAAAAA@micomisariato.telconet.net 1110236558 P * Arianna_21 Client Exiting 1110239355 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection