1109203241 M * Doener enough for me for today... have a good whatever 1109203245 N * Doener Doener_zZz 1109205051 Q * nox Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.0.5 1109206924 Q * brc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109209596 P * infowolfe Leaving 1109212166 J * tad ~tad@h000f3d19edcc.ne.client2.attbi.com 1109213553 Q * tad Quit: Leaving 1109214559 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving 1109215838 Q * roswel_ neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * maharaja neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * daniel_hozac neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * Zoiah neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * virtuoso neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * logger neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * matti neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * th neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * ats neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * Seraph neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * sladen neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 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uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * Snow-Man neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * Bertl_zZ neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * eyck neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * anonymous-coward neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * TheSeer neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * click neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * johnny neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * tchan neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * roswel neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * BWare neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * matta neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * c1pher0 neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * ntrs__ neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215838 Q * DuckMaster neutron.oftc.net uranium.oftc.net 1109215876 J * c1pher0 ~a@61.88.18.130 1109215876 J * berni ~berni@eth0.svr01.mucip.net 1109215876 J * aba ~aba@sol.turmzimmer.net 1109215876 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1109215876 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1109215876 J * Doener_zZz doener@193.24.208.125 1109215876 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176 1109215876 J * mugwump ~bugpwderd@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1109215876 J * meebey meebey@meebey.net 1109215876 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1109215876 J * bro ~vanity@lanparty.lv 1109215876 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124 1109215876 J * no_maam ~erik@datenzone.de 1109215876 J * hansi33 ~hansi33@193.80.53.173 1109215876 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1109215876 J * roswel_ ~roswel@202.42.136.131 1109215876 J * maharaja maharaja@ipax.at 1109215876 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@h212n1fls33o829.telia.com 1109215876 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1109215876 J * Zoiah Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net 1109215876 J * Seraph kk@projects.verfaction.de 1109215876 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@tranq.dorms.spbu.ru 1109215876 J * logger ~rs@vds.pas-mal.com 1109215876 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl 1109215876 J * th ~tom@pc-4092.ethz.ch 1109215876 J * mcp ~hightower@www.c-tera.de 1109215876 J * ats ~as@lotes.vtu.lt 1109215876 J * matta ~matta@69.93.28.254 1109215876 J * BWare ~bware@212.26.196.154 1109215876 J * roswel ~roswel@202.42.136.131 1109215876 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.client.comcast.net 1109215876 J * johnny ~johnny@ip68-10-185-138.hr.hr.cox.net 1109215876 J * click click@dsl-84-161.aal.tiscali.no 1109215876 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net 1109215876 J * anonymous-coward ~nwalsh@shaggy.internode.com.au 1109215876 J * eyck ~eyck@81.219.64.71 1109215876 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@snowman.net 1109215876 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1109215876 J * boklm boklm@woper.mars-attacks.org 1109215876 J * Bertl_zZ ~herbert@janus.mc.tuwien.ac.at 1109215876 J * DuckMaster ~Duck@dyn-83-157-158-234.ppp.tiscali.fr 1109215876 J * ntrs__ ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1109215876 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de 1109217215 Q * roswel_ Quit: left 1109217911 J * monrad ~monrad@213.83.190.130 1109219420 J * matta-laptop ~matta@69.93.28.254 1109219899 M * johnny hmm...quietness 1109221532 Q * pusling Remote host closed the connection 1109221541 J * pusling ~pusling@195.215.29.124 1109222676 M * c1pher0 is there any reason that inside a vserver that .php3 files would not be process with the old apache and libapache-mod-php4 ? 1109224419 M * johnny libapache-mod-php4 ? 1109224427 M * johnny do you mean just mod_php 4.x ? 1109226719 M * micah 2.6.11-rc5 is out 1109227666 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1109228618 Q * matta-laptop Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109228962 J * nish ~nish@220.224.32.64 1109228973 Q * nish Quit: 1109229097 J * DaPhreak ~DaPhreak@pc-outside.uni-greifswald.de 1109229435 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1109232682 Q * BobR_afk Quit: Lost terminal 1109232774 J * BobR ~georg@MAIL.13thfloor.at 1109233363 Q * johnny Read error: Operation timed out 1109233467 Q * hansi33 Remote host closed the connection 1109233484 J * johnny ~johnny@ip68-10-185-138.hr.hr.cox.net 1109233609 N * BobR BobR_afk 1109235012 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandrakesoft.com 1109235069 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.68 1109235149 M * erwan_taf hi all 1109235193 M * DaPhreak mornin erwan_taf 1109235194 M * DaPhreak ;) 1109235219 M * erwan_taf monring DaPhreak 1109237261 Q * matta Read error: Operation timed out 1109237278 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl_oO 1109237338 J * matta ~matta@69.93.28.254 1109237626 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@62.69.64.93 1109237911 M * erwan_taf lo Bertl_oO 1109238341 J * rs ~rs@site.spray.se 1109238355 M * rs hi there 1109239790 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109240324 J * mhepp ~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz 1109241028 J * ruth VooDoo@pclab7.informatik.uni-ulm.de 1109241763 Q * ruth Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com) 1109241791 J * ruth VooDoo@pclab7.informatik.uni-ulm.de 1109242082 J * rs_ ~rs@193.155.140.132 1109242491 Q * rs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109242492 N * rs_ rs 1109242805 Q * mhepp Remote host closed the connection 1109243235 J * hansi33 ~hansi33@193.80.53.173 1109243998 J * id_ ~test@relax-media.softwarezentrum.de 1109244022 M * id_ aloha #vserver 1109244767 N * Doener_zZz Doener 1109244827 M * Doener c1pher0: did you add a AddType for the php3 files? 1109248409 J * nox ~nox@213.39.207.66 1109249573 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1109249576 M * Bertl morning folks! 1109249601 M * DaCa morning Bertl 1109249618 M * Bertl hey DaCa! everything fine? 1109249636 M * DaCa sure 1109249656 M * DaCa got your tickets for fosdem? :) 1109249683 M * Bertl not yet ... ;) 1109249736 Q * alexx Quit: Bye 1109249758 M * Doener morning Bertl! 1109249788 J * alexx ~alexx@82.225.136.176 1109249805 M * Bertl wb alexx! morning Doener! 1109249825 M * alexx 'lo Bertl and other :) 1109249907 M * DaPhreak mornin Bertl, Doener, alexx ... ;) 1109249943 M * Doener Bertl: got some funny error 1109249946 M * Doener qdeb:~# chcontext true 1109249946 M * Doener New security context is 49152 1109249946 M * Doener Read from remote host 10.0.0.2: Connection reset by peer 1109249946 M * Doener Connection to 10.0.0.2 closed. 1109249970 M * Doener same for static ones 1109250043 M * Bertl hmm, after what precisely? 1109250059 M * Doener boot, ssh login, su -, chcontext 1109250106 M * Bertl hum okay, with ngnet? or what? 1109250129 M * Doener yep, that's inside qemu with my try of 1.9.4.7-ng9.0 1109250138 M * Bertl and who is doing the read on 10.0.0.2 ? 1109250151 M * Doener that's the hosts ip address 1109250162 M * Bertl yep, just who is doing the read? 1109250212 M * Doener ehrm, host is bad here... physical box 10.0.0.1 -> qemu 10.0.0.2. ssh connection from box->qemu 1109250245 M * Bertl ah, okay, that is 'expected' 1109250284 M * Bertl the context (you are starting) does not ahve any interfaces or sockets 1109250303 M * Bertl so the ssh connection basically is not existant 1109250331 M * Doener but isn't the ssh process running in ctx 0? 1109250372 M * Bertl yes, but I guess the started process is sending the data through a 'copy' of the socket descriptor 1109250399 M * Bertl but let me test this with my setup and the 'old' patch 1109250455 Q * flock Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109250552 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1109250562 M * alexx Bertl, if you want, i've the debug output of "vserver" about my yesterday strange problem 1109250567 M * alexx http://pastebin.com/245816 1109250581 M * Bertl thanks! 1109250679 M * alexx for remember : k2.6.10-vs1.9.4 host : debian, vserver debian too on lvm partition running on a bi-celeron 400 1109250741 M * rs morning bertl 1109250751 M * Bertl hey rs! good morning! 1109251033 M * Bertl alexx: could you try a few things on that machine? 1109251049 M * alexx yes 1109251056 M * alexx it's a total testing machine :) 1109251152 M * Bertl then let's try '( cd /etc/vservers/debian/vdir/; chcontext --secure chroot . )' 1109251218 M * alexx New security context is 49166 1109251218 M * alexx chroot: ne changer le répertoire racine vers .: Permission non accordée 1109251231 M * alexx in english : 1109251233 M * alexx New security context is 49167 1109251233 M * alexx chroot: cannot change root directory to .: Permission denied 1109251235 M * Bertl okay, lets start with: 1109251248 M * Bertl export LC_ALL=C LANG=C 1109251280 M * Bertl then 1109251298 M * Bertl ( cd /etc/vservers/debian/vdir/; chroot . true ) 1109251508 M * alexx New security context is 49169 1109251508 M * alexx chroot: cannot change root directory to .: Permission denied 1109251562 M * alexx and already the "vxW: xid=49169 did hit the barrier." on the console 1109251643 M * Bertl ahem but not with the latest line, right? 1109251726 M * alexx the last list give no result 1109251730 M * alexx s/list/line/ 1109251736 M * Bertl okay ... that's fine 1109251743 M * Bertl now let's try: 1109251760 M * Bertl chcontext --secure grep Cap /proc/self/status 1109251769 M * alexx New security context is 49171 1109251769 M * alexx CapInh: 0000000000000000 1109251769 M * alexx CapPrm: 00000000d44c04ff 1109251769 M * alexx CapEff: 00000000d44c04ff 1109251849 M * Bertl okay, that's good 1109251873 M * Bertl ( cd /etc/vservers/debian/vdir/; pwd ) 1109251955 M * alexx /etc/vservers/debian/vdir 1109251962 M * alexx (logical ;) ) 1109251979 M * Bertl hmm .. isn't that supposed to be a symlink? 1109252001 M * Bertl let's try 1109252006 M * alexx vdir is a symlink, what's wrong ? 1109252009 M * Bertl ls -lad /etc/vservers/debian/vdir 1109252029 M * alexx lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 24 Feb 18 09:59 /etc/vservers/debian/vdir -> /var/lib/vservers/debian 1109252047 M * Bertl okay, so you shell is keeping the 'old' path, fine ... 1109252056 M * Bertl now let's try: 1109252115 M * Bertl chcontext --secure bash -c 'ls -lda / /var /var/lib /var/lib/vservers /var/lib/vservers/debian' 1109252131 M * Bertl (and watch the log for barrier messages) 1109252144 Q * hansi33 Remote host closed the connection 1109252147 M * alexx New security context is 49173 1109252147 M * alexx drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 4096 Feb 15 21:16 / 1109252147 M * alexx drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Feb 22 14:06 /var 1109252147 M * alexx drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 Feb 22 11:48 /var/lib 1109252147 M * alexx d--------- 6 root root 4096 Jan 29 16:21 /var/lib/vservers 1109252148 M * alexx drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 Feb 22 22:51 /var/lib/vservers/debian 1109252151 M * alexx and no message on console 1109252195 M * Bertl okay, now: 1109252228 M * Bertl showattr -d / /var /var/lib /var/lib/vservers /var/lib/vservers/debian 1109252245 M * alexx ---bui- / 1109252246 M * alexx ---bui- /var 1109252246 M * alexx ---bui- /var/lib 1109252246 M * alexx ---Bui- /var/lib/vservers 1109252246 M * alexx ---Bui- /var/lib/vservers/debian 1109252257 M * Bertl ah, there is the problem, basically trivial ;) 1109252267 M * alexx what what what ?! 1109252272 M * Bertl somehow you got a barrier on /var/lib/vservers/debian 1109252273 M * Doener oh damn! 1109252283 M * Doener i've been looking for the _old_ barrier yesterday... 1109252294 A * Doener knocks his head against the wall 1109252305 M * alexx Doener, sorry :/ 1109252311 M * Bertl alexx: setattr --~barrier /var/lib/vservers/debian 1109252317 M * Doener alexx: my fault ;) 1109252327 M * alexx Bertl, it works better now! 1109252331 M * alexx thanks :) 1109252331 M * Bertl ;) 1109252333 M * Doener i should have been looking for that and not the lsattr stuff 1109252346 M * aba Bertl: Should it be B at /var/lib/vservers 1109252348 M * aba +? 1109252354 M * alexx but, io don't understand why the vserve has working yesterday after a --debug ... 1109252373 M * Bertl aba: yes B there is good (when you do not use namespaces) 1109252399 M * aba Bertl: with using namespaces, it doesn't matter? Or is that a conflict if using namespaces? 1109252444 M * Bertl no, for private namespaces it doesn't matter at all 1109252523 M * alexx big big thanks to Bertl and Doener for your "patience" (i don't remerber the english translation for patience :/) 1109252541 M * Doener alexx: it's patience ;) 1109252563 M * alexx Doener, ok ... thanks again to learn english word to me :-D 1109252569 M * aba Hm, perhaps one should ask newcomers to improve documentation for the help they got :) 1109252570 M * Doener ;) 1109252605 M * Doener aba: we do from time to time (i.e. when we recognize that something has been explained 10+ times ;) 1109252624 M * Bertl (10 times from each of us that is ;) 1109252668 M * aba Doener: no, do it the other way - trickle the newcomers into writing the docs, which gives you more time into answering more difficult questions :) 1109252701 M * Bertl we are working on that ;) 1109252708 M * alexx aba, ok, i go to write some doc (FEAR !) 1109252747 M * aba frankly speaking, every time a newcomer says "oh, how does this work", this should be added to the knowledge base in some way 1109252844 M * alexx i think the IRC is logged, no ? if yes, where ? 1109252864 T * Doener http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.4.7, ng9.0 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime; if he shares the gained knowledge on the wiki, we'll forget about the minute ;) 1109252867 M * Bertl http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG 1109252886 M * alexx thanks :) 1109252896 M * Bertl Doener: *G* thanks! 1109252902 M * Doener ;) 1109252908 M * Snow-Man Bertl: hrmmmm, you want the latest 2.6.8 debian patch? 1109252934 M * Bertl no, read my mail again ;) 1109253008 M * Doener hmm... i guess Snow-Man was already reffering to the patches from vanilla->debian kernel 1109253019 M * Doener s/from/for/ 1109253025 M * Bertl yes, I got that one, but thanks! 1109253036 M * Snow-Man oh, err, *blink 1109253051 M * Snow-Man Bertl: You have the latest vanilla -> debian patch? 1109253054 M * Snow-Man For 2.6.8? 1109253058 M * Bertl nope 1109253066 M * Snow-Man err 1109253070 M * Snow-Man ya'll are confusing me. 1109253073 M * Doener *tilt* 1109253086 M * Doener so you want vserver-whatever againt debian-2.6.8? 1109253107 M * Snow-Man I don't, but someone else does, and I thought Bertl was offering to take a look at doing it. 1109253127 M * Snow-Man provided someone get him the latest debian patch against 2.6.8, which I was just working on doing... 1109253138 M * Bertl if somebody can provide up-to-date debian patches for 1109253138 M * Bertl 2.6.8, I could be convinced to adapt 1.9.5 to that ... 1109253150 M * Bertl Snow-Man: so you ahve to try a little harder ;) 1109253206 M * Snow-Man Bertl: I'm still confused, I think. What you want is 2.6.8+debian+vserver1.9.4, and then you'll provided patches to take that to 1.9.5? 1109253216 Q * boklm Read error: Connection reset by peer 1109253227 J * boklm boklm@woper.mars-attacks.org 1109253232 M * Bertl no, what I want is a _single_ patch against 2.6.8 which makes it a debian 2.6.8-wossname kernel 1109253240 M * Bertl welcome boklm! 1109253248 M * Snow-Man Bertl: Oh, right, fine, I can generate that, no problem. 1109253267 M * Snow-Man It'll be 2.6.8-13, specifically. 1109253286 A * Bertl .o( hmm, he tricked me into saying that, right? ;) 1109253421 A * Snow-Man has too many kernels laying around./ 1109253500 M * Snow-Man I need to figure out that hardlink trick people were talking about previously. 1109253508 M * Bertl Snow-Man: how many? 1109253529 M * Snow-Man Bertl: kernel trees? Like, 6 or 7 atm, just from the 2.6.10 work and this 2.6.8 stuff. 1109253537 M * Bertl LOL 1109253554 M * Snow-Man :) 1109253566 M * SiD3WiNDR I guess bertl has 2948 1109253581 M * SiD3WiNDR btw, isnt the patch for debian's kernel included in the deb package? :) 1109253584 M * SiD3WiNDR separately 1109253592 M * Snow-Man SiD3WiNDR: Not as a single patch. 1109253597 M * Snow-Man It's a bunch of smaller patches 1109253611 M * SiD3WiNDR oh 1109253616 M * SiD3WiNDR well wont be hard anyhow ;) 1109253864 M * Doener Snow-Man: just cp -la the old tree and patch the new one. Saves about 4G of harddisk space over here and i just got ~25 tree lying around and the build trees don't fully make use of hardlinks (just because i'm lazy ;) 1109253877 Q * ruth Quit: 1109253914 M * Snow-Man Doener: Ah, yeah, I knew it was something like that. 1109253926 M * Doener but take care of your editor to do delete->create when you edit a file, otherwise you mess up all your trees 1109253955 M * Snow-Man heh. 1109254167 M * Snow-Man Bertl: Should be: http://kenobi.snowman.net/~sfrost/patch-2.6.8-13-debian.diff.bz2 1109254174 M * Snow-Man 2M bzip2'd 1109254216 M * Bertl k, got it ... 1109254241 M * Bertl I assume it is against 2.6.8, right? 1109254248 M * Snow-Man yes, against 2.6.8 clean. 1109254253 M * Snow-Man Just downloaded from kernel.org. 1109254282 M * Snow-Man If you have any problems w/ it, let me know. 1109254306 M * Bertl okay, will do so, probably will get to it during the evening ... 1109254307 M * Snow-Man Bertl: It probably won't matter for you, but just fyi, Debian removes some drivers which we consider non-free. 1109254455 M * Snow-Man Actually, they're still in that patch, silly me. 1109254469 M * Snow-Man And it's mostly firmware that's removed, actually. 1109254488 M * Snow-Man Not drivers. 1109254500 M * Snow-Man I should have cleaned those out, but, 1109254513 M * Snow-Man Shouldn't really matter. 1109254618 M * Bertl feel free to provide a cleaned up version ;) 1109254689 M * Snow-Man Too late, I already started rm -rf'ing that directory, sorry. :) 1109254701 M * Snow-Man All it does is make the patch a little bigger than it needs to be. 1109254722 M * Seraph re 1109254738 M * Seraph hmm anybody can tell me why i can "start" a vserver that remains stopped without warnings? 1109254770 M * Seraph i.e. i take a skeleton vserver bootstrap, put that onto some debootstrapped chroot and run vserver xyz start 1109254779 M * Seraph yet still vserver xyz status reads "stopped" 1109254787 M * Seraph wtf? 1109254821 M * Seraph i can't see where this wouldn't work as should.. it's running chbind alright, doing the init.d/rc 3 voodoo and everything.. 1109254887 M * rs Bertl: I'd like to discuse on a way to let vserver to use more memory than they have, to emulate some kind of swap 1109254933 M * rs the main issue of our users is that they don't really know how to fine tune their services, and have some process that take memory for nothing 1109254995 M * rs and after some time, they can no longer reach their vserver via ssh, because ssh have no enought free memory to fork :) 1109255025 M * Bertl well, okay, let's look at this a little closer 1109255046 M * Bertl first, you basically _have_ swap with linux-vserver 1109255060 M * rs I guess we could allow some special memory that could be used as low priority memory 1109255091 M * Bertl well, and what 'part' of memory would you like to designate as 'low prio' and what would it help? 1109255094 M * rs if their is enough memory on the host, the physical memory could be used, otherwith, inactive pages of the vserver could be swapped 1109255110 M * Bertl that is what happens anyway 1109255127 M * Bertl you are trying to solve an issue which isn't there ... 1109255137 M * Bertl the problem is more like this: 1109255155 M * Bertl vserver X uses 2GB memory (virtual) 1109255191 M * Bertl and keeps a 'working set' which actually requires about 128MB of RSS 1109255223 M * Bertl now basically you could 'raise' the RSS limit to 2GB and the vserver will never go out of memory 1109255252 M * Bertl of course, that's not what you want to do, unless you have N*2GB swapspace 1109255303 M * Bertl OTOH, if you have 10 vserver, each using 512MB RSS 1109255319 M * Bertl and the box has a total of 2GB memory, then swap will be 1109255329 M * Bertl used in an 'efficient' manner for all vservers 1109255353 M * Bertl i.e. often used parts will stay in memory and the rest will be swapped out 1109255372 M * Bertl thus no server would display more than 200MB of RSS 1109255386 M * Bertl (in average) 1109255417 M * Bertl now the values are not 100% accurate as the RSS does account for the shared stuff 1109255469 M * rs yeah but I'd like to have something that would be like having a per vserver swap space 1109255493 M * Bertl maximum number of swap pages? 1109255497 M * rs I understand that it would be really inefficient 1109255539 M * Seraph hi Bertl =) 1109255546 M * rs no, not really, something like a second limit that let the vserver to use more memory but without disturbing other vservers 1109255552 M * Seraph Bertl: any hint why a vserver being started remains "stopped"? 1109255554 M * rs I don't really know how to explain 1109255581 M * Bertl Seraph: hey! probably because no services keep running after the startup? 1109255582 M * Seraph Bertl: or at least what's the core of the "vserver-is-started" representation that apparently doesn't get set in my case? 1109255621 M * Bertl rs: ah, some black hole memory device ... verry interesting ;) 1109255621 M * Seraph ok, that's worth considering *g* 1109255628 M * Snow-Man Bertl: I think what rs is getting at is that he doesn't want one vserver to affect another. 1109255698 M * Snow-Man Bertl: Basically the idea being that you can place a 'maximum physical memory usage' and a 'maximum swap usage' and that if you go past the max. physical you're put into swap- regardless of the fact that there might be more physical memory on the host. 1109255746 M * rs Snow-Man: I don't really want that 1109255755 M * rs would be performance killer I guess 1109255757 M * Snow-Man rs: No? It sounded good to me. :) 1109255767 M * Snow-Man Only if you use more memory than you're supposted to. :) 1109255792 M * rs yeah but if the machine is starting to trash with no reason, you'll affect the performance of all vservers 1109255832 M * Snow-Man A runaway process in one vserver running into swap would affect others on the machine less than forcing everyone else into swap... 1109255846 M * Bertl IMHO the only 'useful' improvement could be some kind of penalization of vservers going over a soft limit 1109255869 M * rs Bertl: which kind of penalization ? 1109255879 M * Bertl e.g. 0-64M works fine, 64-128M at 10% performance, and 128M+ not allowed 1109255902 M * rs I see 1109255910 M * Bertl in case of a swapout that would not hurt the other servers that much 1109255934 M * Bertl of course such penalization could also happen absed on page in/outs ... 1109255936 M * Snow-Man I'd rather have seperate limits, similar to an actual virtual machine. 1109255962 M * Snow-Man penalization like that seems rather hokey to me in comparison. 1109255972 M * Doener Seraph: check if you still got the fake-start-stop-daemon in use... i sometimes had trouble like that with debootstrap, f.e. when using a utf8 locale... 1109255983 M * Bertl Snow-Man: what kind of limits? 1109256015 M * Snow-Man Bertl: What I described above, a given vserver gets x real memory and y swap. 1109256026 M * Snow-Man Bertl: If it goes over it's x limit, it goes into swap. 1109256036 M * Snow-Man Bertl: Just like a real machine. 1109256042 M * Bertl okay, and how to handle shared memory? 1109256062 M * Bertl your VPS1 and VPS2 share glibc and bash for example 1109256065 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1109256079 M * Bertl VPS1 goes over limit and bash is swapped out, now what? 1109256083 M * Bertl welcome Hollow! 1109256086 M * Hollow hey Bertl 1109256087 M * Snow-Man Are those actually shared between processes when the binaries are different on the system, or are we only talking about when hardlinking && immutable are being used? 1109256102 M * Bertl we are talking about unification, yes 1109256111 M * Snow-Man Doesn't happen in my setup. :) 1109256123 M * Bertl ah, and therefore it's not important? eh? 1109256125 M * Snow-Man Even so though, that could be excluded. 1109256129 M * Seraph Doener: jep, thanks for the pointer =) 1109256153 M * Snow-Man Bertl: shared memory isn't where most of the memory usage is generally anyway, is it? 1109256174 M * Bertl really depends ... it's mostly in buffers and caches though 1109256183 M * Snow-Man It's just the actual binaries and libraries, not something that I'd expect a runaway process to somehow be chewing up. 1109256188 M * Bertl (which will not get swapped, btw) 1109256189 M * rs Bertl: your penalization could be ponderated by the amount of extra memory that is active, thus we could simulated a real life case where you server is trashing or when your vserver have just some inactive pages into swap 1109256221 M * rs it's not really english.. but I hope you have understood :) 1109256228 M * Bertl Snow-Man: okay, let's consider completely independant vservers 1109256242 M * Snow-Man Bertl: buffers and caches can be done the same way they are now- whatever memory is available for whomever. I'd think anyway, they're kind of a special category. 1109256262 M * Bertl VPS1 has 64M limit and VS2 has 256M limit both have 256M swap in addition to that, okay? 1109256275 M * Snow-Man Since they don't ever get into swap, and get reduced automatically when something wants that memory. 1109256284 M * Snow-Man Bertl: a'ight 1109256323 M * Bertl okay, now let's assume VPS1 has a 'working set' of 128M (apache or something) 1109256324 M * Snow-Man rs: I think you mean 'thrashing', btw.. 1109256341 M * Snow-Man Bertl: Poor guy. 1109256351 M * rs Snow-Man: yeah 1109256354 M * Bertl that will result in 64M in memory, and 64M getting swapped in and out all the time 1109256362 M * Snow-Man Bertl: yeah, pretty much. 1109256373 M * Bertl so the machine will be 'busy' doing the 10 time slower swapping 1109256386 M * Bertl did I say ten times? 1109256395 M * Bertl 100 times slower swapping! 1109256396 M * Snow-Man probably more than that. :) 1109256409 M * Bertl so that might be 'realistic' for the VPS1 user 1109256421 M * Bertl but it will be fatal for the provider ;) 1109256429 M * Snow-Man eh, only if everyone is sharing that disk. 1109256473 M * Snow-Man You'd hopefully encourage the VPS1 user to upgrade. :) 1109256487 M * Bertl ah, you have separate disks and maybe motherboards too? 1109256502 M * rs mouhaha :) 1109256518 M * Bertl maybe you are using LVS instead of Linux-VServer *G*? 1109256526 M * Snow-Man Uhm, you'd probably have a raid array of some kind which would reduce the cost of one person swapping. 1109256545 M * Snow-Man As in, it'd affect others less. 1109256556 M * rs it's why I propose to the penalization on active memory, do you think it's a good idea? 1109256588 M * Bertl maybe .. I guess it would be 'good' to add some 'swap' penalty to pages over the soft limit 1109256616 M * Snow-Man You don't want to tell the VPS2 guy "yeah, I said you could have 256M of memory, but this other guy I'm charging less and said he could have 64M of memory is using it all up..." 1109256624 M * Bertl if they just take a lot longer, then VPS1 will see the same 'effects' without the trashing on the server 1109256645 M * rs yeah, but if you have some swap that is never used, you shouldn't be penalized the way that the one that use all the extra memory 1109256650 M * rs actively 1109256786 M * Bertl that would happen automatically 1109256805 M * Bertl i.e. while below the soft limit, no swap penalty will be added 1109256830 M * rs you mean once inactive pages are swapped ? 1109256854 M * Bertl sure 1109256861 M * Snow-Man Bertl: If you want to set it up such that everyone gets as much memory as they want, but then have people who go over their limit get swapped first.. That *might* be alright, though then I'd want buffers/caches to be included in their totals and in the weighting since they can have a significant impact on performance. 1109256866 M * rs what if they aren't swapped because the host have enough memory to handle the soft limit + the extra memory 1109256874 M * Bertl that's what I mean, not to penalize on 'over limit' but to penalize on 'active paging over limit' 1109256876 J * shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net 1109256908 M * Bertl Snow-Man: that is an interesting point ... 1109256908 M * rs ok nice 1109256916 M * Bertl welcome shuri! 1109256934 M * shuri hello 1109256951 M * Snow-Man I'm actually about to upgrade the memory on one of my machines mainly because it'll improve performance quite a bit because of the extra buffering/cacheing. 1109256969 M * Seraph Doener, Bertl: ok, works nicely now.. Thanks! 1109256980 M * Seraph Doener, Bertl: i see that there's a util-vserver 204 now.. what's the diff to 196? 1109257000 M * Bertl well, a lot of feature additions and bug fixes (see changelog) 1109257025 M * Seraph ok, i guess we should then update the alpha debs :-P 1109257075 M * Snow-Man Bertl: You should provide a link to the alpha debs off of linux-vserver.org :) 1109257094 M * Bertl feel free to do so (in the right place) 1109257124 M * Snow-Man heh. 1109257128 M * Bertl i.e. Tools and Patches 1109257130 M * Seraph Snow-Man: who'd be hosting the bandwidth? 1109257142 M * Seraph Snow-Man: you take them to people.d.o? 1109257156 M * Snow-Man Seraph: erm, what, you don't have enough bw to host them? 1109257161 M * Snow-Man Where are they now? 1109257161 M * Seraph Snow-Man: for my personal choice, i'd rather want to see them in experimental 1109257187 M * Seraph Snow-Man: they're on my server and there is quite some bandwidth there, but hosting an entire debian community... ehrm.. ;) 1109257194 M * Snow-Man Seraph: pah 1109257208 M * Snow-Man I seriously doubt there'd be all that much bw used. 1109257219 M * Snow-Man I can host it on my box, or on p.d.o if necessary. 1109257235 M * Bertl Doener: oaky, got to test it, happens here with original ng9.0 too 1109257241 M * Doener ok 1109257248 M * Seraph well, once you advertise it on the more or less frontpage of linux-vserver.org that'll for sure go up quite a bit =) 1109257281 M * Bertl Doener: you can trace what happens when you do 'echo 1023 >/proc/sys/vserver/debug_ngnet' 1109257289 M * Snow-Man Bertl: I would have thought somewhere on http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/d_rel26/v1.9.4/ 1109257301 M * Snow-Man Bertl: Not sure if that's what you meant, not that I have access to change it anyway. 1109257313 M * Bertl well, currently I put there jsut the stuff I do ... 1109257313 M * Snow-Man Seraph: What was the URL for the alpha debs again? 1109257340 M * Bertl and you where talking about linux-vserver.org right? 1109257366 M * Snow-Man linux-vserver.org links to there, that's the first place I go to when I'm looking for stuff associated with the release. 1109257386 M * Snow-Man And that's what the util-vserver tools are.. 1109257393 M * Snow-Man Which is what the debs are of... 1109257395 M * Bertl ahem, no 1109257397 M * Snow-Man and you've got rpm's there 1109257416 M * Snow-Man Seemed like the obvious place to me. 1109257428 M * Bertl the tools are at http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ensc/util-vserver/alpha/ 1109257451 M * Bertl on my site, there are only the Mandrake rpms I build from them ... 1109257454 M * Snow-Man Which I've never, ever, been to. 1109257470 M * Snow-Man And the util-vserver tarball that I've always used.. 1109257496 M * Snow-Man And you don't even like to the rpms you do from the tools and patches page. 1109257503 M * Snow-Man s/like/link 1109257525 M * Bertl Doener: but it looks a little suspicious ... 1109257564 M * Bertl vxD: tcp_v4_do_rcv(83dd52c0[#0],83871a40[#0]) 1109257564 M * Bertl vxD: fib_hash_init(254,#65535): 83c36740 1109257564 M * Bertl vxD: fib_hash_init(255,#65535): 83c36800 1109257568 M * Snow-Man Bertl: Your page has a nice layout, here are the patches, here are the tools you need 1109257570 M * Bertl vs_context_state(): (/sbin/vshelper startup 49153 ) returned with 256 1109257570 M * Bertl vxD: ip_queue_xmit(83871bc0[#0]) 1109257574 M * Bertl vxD: netif_receive_skb(83871bc0[#49153]) 1109257575 M * Snow-Man Bertl: linux-vserver.org sucks. :) 1109257603 M * Bertl Snow-Man: so you suggest to do what? 1109257624 M * Bertl Doener: so we are 'changing' the context in the middle of a receive ;) 1109257655 Q * ndim Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109257691 M * Snow-Man Bertl: My suggestion would be to just put a link under the rpms & tarball on your site to where the debs are for util-vserver, and maybe put a link to your rpms and the debs under tools and patches too, but I'd tend to think linux-vserver.org could use an overhaul, basically to look like 13thfloor. :) 1109257770 M * Bertl well, when I get some time to do that, or somebody steps forward and does it ... fine (regarding layout) 1109257802 M * Bertl regarding links, no thanks, because this way I'll end up putting a package for each distro there, which I do not consider a good thing ... 1109257805 M * Snow-Man it just seems like no one really 'owns' linux-vserver.org, and that everyone just does their little changes here and there and it ends up not having a very good flow or easy of use. 1109257823 M * Snow-Man pah. 1109257837 M * Bertl if distros like to have distro specific packages, fine .. but I see no obligation to 'provide' them ... 1109257859 M * Bertl Snow-Man: you are volunteering to spice it up? 1109257863 M * Snow-Man yeesh, 'provide' them, hardly, putting a link on a page to somewhere else. 1109257870 J * ndim hun@helena.bawue.de 1109257884 M * Snow-Man Bertl: I don't have time to dedicate to it, no. 1109257895 M * Snow-Man I've got enough OSS projects that I don't have time to spend on already. 1109257907 M * Bertl yes, but you are complaining about it, no? 1109257913 M * Snow-Man Yup, and will continue to do so. 1109257922 M * Bertl until I remove the page compeltely? 1109257935 M * Snow-Man pffft. 1109257946 M * Snow-Man Do you stop working on vserver when someone complains about it? 1109257956 M * Snow-Man Or do you say "hey, maybe it could be made better" 1109257968 M * Bertl probably not ... but that's not the point here ;) 1109257991 M * Bertl I could also provide my patches via the ml 1109257995 M * Snow-Man It's the same thing, just in this case it's not nearly as much fun to work on 'cause it's web crap. 1109258012 M * Snow-Man Bertl: You're also taking this too much on yourself. 1109258022 M * Snow-Man Bertl: I'm not asking you specifically to drop whatever you're doing and fix the webpage. 1109258043 M * Bertl okay, let's move on .. to something important ... 1109258045 M * Snow-Man Bertl: But I feel I've got every right to comment on the website when you ask me what I think of it. 1109258054 M * Snow-Man or what I'd do or whatever. 1109258072 M * Bertl excellent, and your feedback if useful is appreciated 1109258088 M * Snow-Man I am rather annoyed that you refuse to provide a link to debs so I can avoid having to bookmark or try to remember where they're at these days. 1109258101 M * Bertl put the link where it belongs 1109258112 M * Bertl on the 'official' site, in the right category! 1109258141 M * Snow-Man When the 'right category' doesn't even have the link to the actual vserver patches. 1109258143 M * Bertl if you don't know how to use a wiki, I can help you! 1109258167 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Tools+and+patches 1109258243 M * Doener uh, that was a harsh one 1109258285 M * Bertl probably I'm not as patient today as usual ;) will try to improve ... 1109258305 M * Loki|muh Bertl: whats up? bad day? 1109258315 M * Snow-Man Seraph: So am I going to have to go hunt down the url for the debian stuff, or what? 1109258323 M * Bertl trying to get some stuff done ... but no success yet ;) 1109258325 M * Snow-Man I've got it around here somewhere. 1109258353 Q * DaPhreak Quit: home 1109258426 M * Snow-Man Bertl: It's gonna kill me if you put up your 1.9.5 patch against 2.6.8-13-debian on your page. :P 1109258444 M * Snow-Man And still don't provide a link there to the debs which will actually work with it. 1109258599 M * Doener if i should summerize my thoughts on the two pages i'd say: 13thfloor is Bertl's 'private' page and just list linux-vserver as a project, including official releases, while linux-vserver.org is the official page for the project and the place where everything related to linux-vserver should go. regarding improvements i'd suggest: link to the wiki from the vserver stuff at 13thfloor, maybe provide the official releases on the wiki (Bertl and I have already t 1109258599 M * Doener alked about some automated stuff, that provides an overview over releases and patches in general). once we have that overview stuff in the wiki, 13thfloor could become more of a 'referring site'... just my 2 cents... 1109258630 M * Snow-Man heh 1109258635 M * Doener ah yeah... irc and looooong 'sentences'... 1109258650 M * Snow-Man The problem with that is that the 13thfloor page is a hell of alot nicer than the wiki, and I doubt that'll ever change. :) 1109258679 M * Doener if you get to extend the duration of a day (say, 28 hours) i'd be happy to rework the layout ;) 1109258687 M * Snow-Man yea, me too. 1109258730 M * Snow-Man Bertl: I moved that 2.6.8-13 patch, just fyi. 1109258792 M * Doener while a nice layout is nice to have, it's imho more important to keep information at a single location, and if it is only having direct links there... if we start to put more and more stuff at 13thfloor, even less people will use the wiki 1109258927 M * Doener maybe (as a first step) more links from 13thfloor to linux-vserver.org should be included, so that folks actually start to know about the wiki (at least i sometimes think they don't know where to look for further information) 1109258930 M * Snow-Man You mean like have all the stuff related to a release in the same place? Like 13thfloor does now and what I've been asking about? :) 1109258957 M * Snow-Man I hate html. 1109259062 M * Doener Snow-Man: not only releases, but just everything. linux-vserver links to 13thfloor for the releases, it has documentation and all the other stuff. since the releases are at 13thfloor (which doesn't contain that many links to the wiki) i guess a number of people does not know about the wiki 1109259099 M * Doener no need to write any html using a wiki... and changing the wiki layout would be mostly css i guess ;) 1109259117 M * Snow-Man bleh. 1109259127 M * Snow-Man I don't like wiki's either. 1109259155 M * Doener so what do you like? 1109259181 M * Doener some cms with public write access? 1109259182 M * Snow-Man Not the web. :) 1109259216 M * Snow-Man Anyway, I updated the wiki and stuff 1109259242 M * Snow-Man Though if it was someone else anything like me it'd still be difficult to find them. 1109259437 M * Doener maybe we should adapt the qmail page-layout *g* 1109260020 N * BobR_afk BobR 1109260165 M * Doener Bertl: i guess this one is outdated, right? http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/patch-tavi-0.25-enhance3.diff 1109261492 N * BobR BobR_afk 1109262083 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1109262087 M * Bertl back now (after router outage) 1109262096 Q * micah Quit: 1109262096 A * Bertl is reading up ... 1109262118 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1109262207 M * Bertl Doener: comment on release over wiki: 1109262239 M * Bertl I abstained from doing this, because I fear that it might lead to 'some' releases which are not actually linux-vserver releases ;) 1109262269 M * Bertl (e.g. like we want some folks to test our kernel module to take over their host) 1109262310 M * Bertl that's basically the only reason why the release happen in a restricted environment 1109262313 M * Doener i was thinking of the automated-release-page stuff we talked about, this could be integrated into the wiki without being editable 1109262319 Q * shuri Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109262335 M * Bertl Doener: yes, that might become a doable solution 1109262351 M * Bertl ad tavi patch ... let me check that ... 1109262535 P * boklm 1109262560 M * Bertl Doener: it is _almost_ up-to date ... 1109262615 M * Doener that means that mod_rewrite stuff is missing, right? 1109263135 M * Bertl okay, you got everything I guess ... back in 2-3 hours ... 1109263163 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1109263179 M * erwan_taf ++ 1109263305 Q * ats Quit: leaving 1109263705 M * Doener hm, links are broken... 1109263938 J * shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net 1109263985 M * Snow-Man So, 2.6.10-5-debian-vs1.9.4 is making my amd64 box reboot at night. 1109263988 M * Snow-Man At least, that's what it seems like. 1109264111 M * Snow-Man Feb 24 11:48:47 syslog@vardamir kernel: Node 0 using interleaving mode 1/0 1109264111 M * Snow-Man Feb 24 11:48:47 syslog@vardamir kernel: audit(1109263700.325:0): initialized 1109264479 M * erwan_taf you may try to change the way the memory is configured in the bios 1109264650 M * erwan_taf by disabling the interleave mode 1109264663 M * erwan_taf which mobo ? 1109264720 M * erwan_taf 2.6.11-rc2-mm2 fixes some troubles about "audit" 1109264841 Q * prae Quit: Client exiting 1109265007 M * Snow-Man erwan_taf: hrmmm, I dunno what mobo, actually. 1109265022 M * Snow-Man It's from penguin computing. 1109265024 M * erwan_taf use dmidecode to know that :) 1109265073 M * Snow-Man I've seen those messages for a while. 1109265101 M * Snow-Man The box only started wigging out when I went from 2.6.10-vs1.9.3 -> 2.6.10-vs1.9.4, and maybe added some Debian patches. 1109265143 M * erwan_taf k 1109265152 M * erwan_taf sounds like a memory trouble 1109265182 M * Snow-Man I went from 2.6.10-3 -> 2.6.10-5 in Debian patches... 1109265391 Q * rs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109266243 J * rs ~rs@193.155.140.132 1109267886 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-157-195-47.ppp.tiscali.fr 1109267919 Q * erwan_taf Remote host closed the connection 1109268230 Q * c1pher0 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109268262 M * Doener got to go, maybe back later.. 1109268265 N * Doener Doener|gone 1109268315 Q * DuckMaster Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109270921 A * shuri got a new dedicate box for ng testing:) 1109271137 Q * id_ Quit: stop software patents 1109271838 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1109271873 M * Bertl evening folks! 1109272061 M * shuri afternoon 1109272062 M * shuri :)_ 1109272073 M * Bertl hey shuri! 1109272080 M * Bertl so you are going to test ngnet? 1109272162 M * shuri yes 1109272165 M * shuri compile it 1109272635 M * shuri bert 1109272652 M * shuri what patch should i use for 2.6.11-rc5? 1109272663 M * shuri http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/diff-2.6.11-rc3-vs1.9.4-rc5-ng9.0.diff 1109272664 M * shuri ? 1109272759 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1109272776 J * DaPhreak ~DaPhreak@pD9FB57B2.dip.t-dialin.net 1109272923 M * Bertl Doener did update the patch .. but I don't know where he did put it 1109272944 M * shuri humm 1109272947 M * Bertl let me have a look at it, I have to update to rc5 anyway 1109273634 M * DaPhreak Bertl: ? 1109273684 M * DaPhreak which capabilities file is it for util-vserver-0.30-204 ? bcapabilities ? 1109273790 M * Bertl to the flower-page we go ... 1109273822 M * DaPhreak yeah, i am there :) but there are bcap, ccap :) 1109273857 M * Bertl * bcapabilities: Contains the system capabilities. 1109273857 M * DaPhreak ah "for 2.6 kernels use 'bcap'" thanks Bertl :) 1109273875 M * Bertl * # ccapabilities: Contains the context capabilities. 1109273911 M * DaPhreak ever tried to run samba inside a vserver ? 1109274129 Q * berni uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * aba uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * no_maam uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * bro uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * SiD3WiNDR uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * meebey uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * mugwump uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * Doener|gone uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * Loki|muh uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * stupidawy uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * lilo uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * DaCa uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * Snow-Man uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * Bertl uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * eyck uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * anonymous-coward uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * TheSeer uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * click uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * tchan uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * roswel uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * BWare uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * DuckKing uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * shuri uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * micah uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * ndim uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * Hollow uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * flock uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * jsambrook uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * matta uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274129 Q * ntrs__ uranium.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net 1109274138 J * berni ~berni@eth0.svr01.mucip.net 1109274138 J * aba ~aba@sol.turmzimmer.net 1109274138 J * stupidawy foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us 1109274138 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1109274138 J * Doener|gone doener@193.24.208.125 1109274138 J * mugwump ~bugpwderd@210-54-92-184.ipnets.xtra.co.nz 1109274138 J * meebey meebey@meebey.net 1109274138 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1109274138 J * bro ~vanity@lanparty.lv 1109274138 J * no_maam ~erik@datenzone.de 1109274138 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1109274138 T * neutron.oftc.net http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.4.7, ng9.0 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime; if he shares the gained knowledge on the wiki, we'll forget about the minute ;) 1109274151 J * eyck ~eyck@81.219.64.71 1109274151 J * BWare ~bware@212.26.196.154 1109274151 J * roswel ~roswel@202.42.136.131 1109274151 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.client.comcast.net 1109274151 J * click click@dsl-84-161.aal.tiscali.no 1109274151 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net 1109274151 J * anonymous-coward ~nwalsh@shaggy.internode.com.au 1109274160 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@snowman.net 1109274160 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1109274160 J * Bertl ~herbert@janus.mc.tuwien.ac.at 1109274195 J * ntrs ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1109274195 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-157-195-47.ppp.tiscali.fr 1109274195 J * shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net 1109274195 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1109274195 J * ndim hun@helena.bawue.de 1109274195 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1109274195 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1109274195 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@62.69.64.93 1109274195 J * matta ~matta@69.93.28.254 1109274198 M * DaPhreak cu guys tomorrow 1109274203 Q * DaPhreak Quit: bed 1109274245 T * services.oftc.net http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.2.10, devel 1.9.4.7, ng9.0 -- He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime; if he shares the gained knowledge on the wiki, we'll forget about the minute ;) 1109274418 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1109274460 J * erwan_ho ~erwan@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-133-136.adsl.proxad.net 1109274629 M * shuri Bertl let me know when patch for rc5 is ready 1109274639 M * Bertl yup, I'm on it ... 1109274830 M * shuri :) 1109275197 Q * shuri Read error: Connection reset by peer 1109275645 J * shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net 1109276419 M * shuri tic tac 1109276450 M * Bertl toe 1109276461 J * Tbery ~tb@rt-pha-1.karneval.cz 1109276465 M * Tbery hi 1109276469 M * Bertl welcome Tbery! 1109276482 M * Tbery Bertl, I have littel problem with sudo 1109276486 M * shuri hi Tbery 1109276532 M * Tbery in mz sudoers is 1109276574 M * Tbery user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL] 1109276590 M * Tbery when Im in user write su 1109276596 M * Tbery it wants password 1109276655 M * Bertl and of course you tried the same sudo + config without vserver and it works fine? 1109276722 M * shuri :) 1109276767 M * Tbery no 1109276787 M * Tbery after editing sudoers Im write visudo -c 1109276790 M * Bertl hmm, so it could be an issue with sudo, right? 1109276798 M * Bertl (or with the config) 1109276828 M * Tbery root ALL=(ALL) ALL 1109276828 M * Tbery tb ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL 1109276838 M * Tbery yes 1109276857 M * Tbery visudo -c 1109276858 M * Tbery /etc/sudoers file parsed OK 1109276904 M * Bertl well, yes might be ... 1109276916 M * Bertl just what if it doesn't say/contain what you meant 1109276933 M * Bertl syntactic correctness doesn't help you with the semantics 1109276953 M * Tbery how to do it? 1109276955 M * Bertl for example my 'sudoers' manpage says: 1109276963 M * Bertl ray rushmore = NOPASSWD: /bin/kill 1109276970 M * Bertl would allow the user ray to run /bin/kill, /bin/ls, and 1109276970 M * Bertl /usr/bin/lprm as root on the machine rushmore as root 1109276970 M * Bertl without authenticating himself. 1109277017 M * Bertl which basically looks similar to your entry 1109277023 M * Bertl except for some whitespace ... 1109277075 M * Bertl so what about trying to add spaces around the equal sign? 1109277088 M * Tbery no 1109277105 M * Tbery now it tried and is same.. 1109277118 M * Tbery after su 1109277123 M * Tbery I must write passwd 1109277128 M * Tbery sudo sux 1109277250 M * Bertl what does the logfile say? 1109277321 M * Bertl and what is the output of sudo -l ? 1109277412 M * Bertl shuri: okay, patch is done, jsut a test compile ... 1109277420 M * Tbery nothing 1109277436 Q * jsambrook Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ 1109277440 M * Tbery ser tb may run the following commands on this host: 1109277440 M * Tbery (root) NOPASSWD: /bin/sh 1109277445 M * Tbery only this users.. 1109277448 M * Tbery fuck.. 1109277551 M * Tbery how to save new sudoers setting?? 1109277688 M * Loki|muh maybe you want visudo? 1109277701 M * Tbery yes 1109277719 M * Tbery # Cmnd alias specification 1109277719 M * Tbery Cmnd_Alias SUX = /bin/sh 1109277719 M * Tbery # User privilege specification 1109277719 M * Tbery root ALL=(ALL) ALL 1109277719 M * Tbery tb ALL = NOPASSWD: SUX 1109277730 M * Tbery sudo -l 1109277738 M * Tbery User root may run the following commands on this host: 1109277738 M * Tbery (ALL) ALL 1109277745 M * Tbery why only one user?? 1109277862 Q * flock Remote host closed the connection 1109277872 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1109278150 M * Bertl shuri: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/diff-2.6.11-rc5-vs1.9.4.7-ng9.0.diff 1109278447 M * shuri thx! 1109278761 M * Bertl ah, shuri, did you already compile/test some ngnet before? 1109278768 M * shuri no 1109278785 M * Bertl let me upload a kernel config, for ng9.0 1109278787 M * shuri will fallow http://linux-vserver.org/NGNET-Testing-HOWTO 1109278791 M * shuri ok 1109278798 M * Bertl you should try to match the network setup as close as possible 1109278832 M * Bertl hmm, there is already a valid one 1109278833 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/config-2.6.11-rc3-vs1.9.4-rc5-ng9.0 1109278857 M * Bertl so try to use a similar (to identical) config regarding the networking 1109278869 M * Bertl (of course you have to configure your hardware) 1109278938 M * shuri :) 1109279062 J * mhepp ~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz 1109279411 M * Bertl welcome mhepp! 1109279542 J * Pazzo ~thomas@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1109279710 M * shuri :humm 1109279712 M * shuri Bertl 1109279728 M * shuri i patch 2.6.10 with patch-2.6.11-rc5 1109279735 M * shuri then diff-2.6.11-rc5-vs1.9.4.7-ng9.0.diff 1109279745 M * shuri i get this 1109279747 M * shuri patching file +1347 1109279747 M * shuri The next patch would delete the file Makefile.orig, 1109279747 M * shuri which does not exist! Assume -R? [n] 1109279760 M * Bertl well, you missed the 2.6.11-rc5-vs1.9.4.7 part 1109279792 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.11-rc5-vs1.9.4.7.diff 1109279804 M * shuri ho i see 1109279807 M * mhepp hello everybody 1109279926 M * Bertl welcome Pazzo! 1109280075 M * shuri Bertl i get the same result 1109280082 M * shuri patch-2.6.11-rc5 1109280089 M * shuri then patch-2.6.11-rc5-vs1.9.4.7.diff 1109280096 M * shuri then diff-2.6.11-rc5-vs1.9.4.7-ng9.0.diff 1109280106 M * shuri patch -p1 < diff-2.6.11-rc5-vs1.9.4.7-ng9.0.diff 1109280106 M * shuri patching file +1347 1109280106 M * shuri The next patch would delete the file Makefile.orig, 1109280106 M * shuri which does not exist! Assume -R? [n] y 1109280106 M * shuri patching file Makefile.orig 1109280430 N * BobR_afk BobR 1109280458 N * BobR BobR_oO 1109280490 Q * mhepp Remote host closed the connection 1109280812 M * Pazzo hi bertl! 1109280994 Q * Tbery Quit: Ukonèuji 1109282305 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109282317 Q * aba Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1109282408 Q * shuri Read error: Connection reset by peer 1109283346 J * aba ~aba@sol.turmzimmer.net 1109283459 M * Bertl wb aba! 1109283469 N * Doener|gone Doener 1109283474 M * Doener re 1109283475 M * Bertl evening Doener! 1109283564 M * Doener after applying your patch to tavi, external links are broken :( 1109283577 M * Doener 12 Feb 2005: [] released (Herbert) 1109283634 M * Bertl hmm, so they should be broken for me too, right? 1109283659 M * Bertl (but did you add the missing fields to the config?) 1109283677 M * Doener i added the blacklist thing 1109283696 M * Bertl sec 1109283707 M * Doener since that got me an error message :) 1109283781 M * Bertl $EnableFreeLinks = 1; 1109283790 M * Bertl $ScriptPathBase = 'http://linux-vserver.org/'; 1109283811 M * Bertl $EnableTextEnhance = 1; 1109283814 M * Bertl $EnablePathStyle = 1; 1109283836 M * Bertl $SendMailTo = 'vserver-wiki@list.linux-vserver.org'; 1109283836 M * Bertl $SendMailSig = 'The Wiki'; 1109283902 M * Bertl that's it ... I guess 1109283941 M * Doener didn't have the last three, still broken... also, the is fine, just the text between tha is missing 1109283947 M * Doener s/tha/the/ 1109283988 Q * erwan_ho Remote host closed the connection 1109284131 M * Bertl well, I can check once again, maybe I was confused and did change something in the original 1109284316 M * Bertl nope, that's fine ... so the issue must be somewhere in your setup, I'd say 1109284453 M * Doener hmm... 1109284567 M * Doener got your RewriteRules at hand? 1109284583 M * Bertl sure ... sec 1109284583 M * Doener 'simple' ones destroy css stuff ;) 1109284639 M * Bertl RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} ^(.*)$ 1109284639 M * Bertl RewriteCond %1 !-d 1109284639 M * Bertl RewriteCond %1 !-f 1109284639 M * Bertl RewriteRule ^(.*)$ index.php?page=$1&%{QUERY_STRING} 1109284699 M * Bertl EORR 1109284737 M * Doener Thanks! 1109284970 J * c1pher0 ~a@61.88.18.130 1109284977 M * Bertl welcome c1pher0! 1109286058 M * Doener hm, did a complete reinstall, same thing... guess i need to dig through the code... 1109286599 J * shuri sjnesjd@dsl.speedline209.226.electronicbox.net 1109286606 M * shuri re Bertl 1109286677 M * Bertl wb shuri! 1109286726 M * shuri so is the patch ok? 1109286740 M * shuri because it do no work for me 1109286857 M * c1pher0 hi Bert1 1109286888 M * Bertl thanks c1pher0, but I'm not that 1337 ;) 1109287007 M * c1pher0 sorry 1109287027 N * c1pher0 ciphernaut 1109287927 M * Doener Bertl: it was a missing $EnableInterWikiLinks = 1 1109287967 M * Bertl ah, sorry thought that was default! 1109287971 M * Doener np 1109288235 M * Bertl btw, http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-1.9.5/delta-lockslim-feat01.diff 1109288253 M * Bertl (not extensively tested, didn't find a tool for that) 1109288267 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now, have fun folks! 1109288285 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1109289023 M * shuri gnite Bertl_zZ