1103328520 M * pizdec wish I could help ya, I've only been using vserver for like 3 days 1103328776 M * Thorsten np pizdec after I add the line break it works like a charm :-) - but thanks for replying 1103331594 J * mcp ~hightower@81.17.110.148 1103333453 Q * Thorsten Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103333814 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.29, devel 1.3.9, 1.9.3, ng8.5 1103333814 T * Bertl - 1103336387 Q * Thorsten Quit: Leaving 1103343362 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-155-54-46.ppp.tiscali.fr 1103343785 Q * DuckMaster Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103345045 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103346572 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1103359693 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl 1103363354 Q * grecea Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103366426 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103367056 Q * hesus Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103367777 J * grecea ~grecea@h-195-22-237-74.mdl.net 1103367979 J * hesus darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl 1103368440 M * pizdec anyone awake? 1103368499 P * UFOczek 1103368842 M * pizdec bertl/doener: the answer to my shared disk for vservers is easy, and is probably what you _thought_ I was doing ;) 1103368900 M * pizdec in the fstab for a vserver: /source/directory /mountpoint/inside/vserver none bind 0 0 1103368946 M * pizdec well, shared disk _space_ since I don't have any free devices to try this with, I used a bind mount 1103370421 J * id_ ~test@relax-media.softwarezentrum.de 1103370939 M * id_ (?) #vserver 1103371007 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@cpe.atm2-0-1031198.0x50a4ad0e.bynxx13.customer.tele.dk 1103371060 M * pizdec id_: ? 1103371115 M * id_ ... awake test succeded =) 1103371156 M * pizdec haha 1103371195 M * JonB has anyone tried using the vserver patches on usermode linux ? 1103371413 M * pizdec I'm not sure there would be a point to that... 1103371431 M * pizdec why run vserver inside of a different kind of virtual server? 1103371435 M * JonB no? 1103371440 M * JonB extra security 1103371477 M * pizdec hm, might be interesting, dunno 1103371583 M * JonB hardware, linux vserver usermode linux vserver with daemons 1103371600 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com 1103371637 M * id_ linux-vserver was developed with another goal then UML - for example you can run differnt kernels inside a UML box - with linux-vserver this is not possible -> but performance wise linux-vserver is much faster 1103371666 M * JonB i know i just wanted an extra layer of security 1103371742 M * id_ ;) disconnect your LAN/WAN cable - then you are almost secure .... 1103371751 M * JonB haha 1103371757 M * JonB then i can not receive email 1103371775 M * Thorsten -> No spam 1103371780 M * Thorsten :-) 1103371789 M * id_ thats probably true - but no trojans, spam, virii ... 1103371808 M * JonB id_: dont tempt me 1103371819 M * Doener IIRC uml is a supported architecture for linux-vserver... 1103371873 N * id_ id_lunch 1103372480 M * pizdec it's not like I should be surprised but it still amazes me that everytime I turn on a webserver, I get by some dumb worm/kiddie within 2 minutes 1103372529 M * pizdec found %2f (encoded '/') in URI (decoded='/scripts/..\xc0/../winnt/system32/cmd.exe'), <- thanks microsoft, all the rest of us just love the extra traffic 1103372537 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1103372548 M * Bertl morning folks! 1103372559 M * pizdec howdy bertl 1103372643 M * Doener morning Bertl! 1103372656 M * Bertl hey Doener! the ngnet rewrite pays off ;) 1103372663 M * JonB hey Bertl 1103372674 M * Doener great! 1103372701 M * Bertl already fixed _all_ known bugs (including the dev refcnt) 1103372713 M * id_lunch Bertl, ... you were right ... the box was still on ... i changed the ip in the vnet3 script - but i get now -> vc_add_vndev: Function not implemented - but i use the ngn kernel & iptables+patch 1103372735 M * Bertl non x86 arch? 1103372738 M * id_lunch yes 1103372738 M * JonB Bertl: what about all the unknown bugs ? 1103372740 M * id_lunch amd64 1103372759 M * Bertl id_lunch: you have to adjust the syscall id manuall 273 -> 246 that is 1103372761 M * Doener JonB: impossible to fix atm ;) 1103372805 M * Bertl JonB: we thought you'll take care of them ;) 1103372820 Q * jsambrook Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103372828 M * JonB Doener: yeah, but if students can look for bugs and find 44 1103372838 M * JonB Bertl: heh 1103372859 M * Bertl id_lunch: in the vnet tool that is 1103372865 M * id_lunch oki 1103372887 M * id_lunch ... lunch ;) ... i should finisch first ;) 1103372895 M * Bertl make it so! 1103372923 M * Bertl JonB: did (your) students find 44 bugs in linux-vserver code? 1103372941 M * JonB Bertl: no, and i dont have students 1103372947 M * JonB i am one 1103372963 M * JonB Bertl: they looked in various unix tools 1103372968 M * JonB and found bugs 1103372985 M * Bertl excellent ... can you make them look into linux-vserver code? 1103373024 M * JonB ask their american professor 1103373033 M * JonB some "known" security dude 1103375346 M * Bertl hmm .. i.c. 1103375417 M * id_lunch Bertl, is it maybe syscall 236 ? 1103375454 N * id_lunch _id 1103375510 M * Bertl could be .. the syscall page on the wiki knows ... 1103375518 M * _id werks now 1103375529 M * Bertl excellent! 1103375530 M * _id i looked in /usr/include/asm/.. 1103375560 M * Bertl hmm .. your /usr/include/asm contains unprocessed kernel headers? 1103375659 M * _id i did a make (for the vnnet-0.2 tools) and they looked up @ that location 1103375669 M * _id i get a nice OOPs 1103375718 M * Bertl well, I just wonder that /usr/include/asm/* contains references to linux vserver syscalls (because glibc should not yet know of them) 1103375745 M * Bertl the OOPs is something different, please upload it somewhere 1103375754 M * _id sec ... phone call 1103376105 M * Bertl is anybody here subscribed to the wiki mailing list? 1103376180 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1103376188 M * Bertl welcome monrad! 1103376620 M * matti :] 1103376628 M * monrad hi 1103376637 M * Bertl hey matti! 1103376638 M * are|afk JonB: I am intrested in the opposite way: running an UML within a vserver. So if you have any hints, I have very open ears. ;) 1103376661 M * Bertl should work fine 1103376691 M * Bertl (just don't use the kernel patches/modules) 1103376768 M * matti Hi Bertl :]]] 1103376799 M * JonB are|afk: so am i 1103376824 M * JonB are|afk: hardware, linux, vserver, uml, vserver, mail 1103376849 M * Bertl why not add QEMU somewhere? 1103376855 M * JonB and monitoring what happens below 1103376870 M * JonB Bertl: i believe it takes too much cpu power 1103376882 M * JonB Bertl: i only wanted to gain an extra layer of security 1103376891 M * JonB Bertl: not emulating 1103376899 M * Bertl i.c. 1103376907 M * JonB Bertl: such that even if they penetrate the mail server daemon 1103376919 M * JonB then they have to escape the vserver 1103376926 M * JonB only to find themselves in a uml 1103376940 M * JonB and escape that and find them selves in a vserver 1103376952 M * Bertl where they know how to escape! 1103376963 M * JonB yes 1103376977 M * JonB so, only could argue if one vserver doesnt matter 1103376992 M * JonB but i guess i could always run VPS in there somewhere ;-P 1103377021 M * Bertl hmm ... where? 1103377056 M * JonB Bertl: dunno 1103377084 M * Bertl i.c. what about testing linux-vserver + UML a little? 1103377089 M * JonB Bertl: but you know, that guy that keeps accusing you of copying his work 1103377099 M * JonB Bertl: when i have the time 1103377113 M * Bertl JonB: you forgot, without crediting them! ;) 1103377128 M * JonB Bertl: yeah, how rude, how could you ;-P 1103377152 M * Bertl reminds me of SCO somehow ... 1103377177 M * JonB Bertl: but shouldnt UML work like any other userland program running inside a vserver ? 1103377206 M * Bertl basically yes, so I would expect it to work too, it just requires tun/tap to get a network connection, right? 1103377232 M * JonB Bertl: i was thinking... maybe if we populate /dev and /proc with bogus information, couldnt that fool crackers to think they are in a real linux 1103377247 M * JonB Bertl: i dont remember, i dont think i ever used network in a UML 1103377264 M * Bertl sure, that is part of one (almost forgotten) branch/direction of linux-vserver 1103377291 M * JonB that you also made? 1103377320 M * Bertl we did test some stuff in that directions 1103377321 M * JonB what about jaques ? does he still make stuff ? 1103377371 M * Bertl well, from now and then he updates the 'old' legacy tools, and sends some ideas to me ... 1103377408 M * JonB okay 1103377427 M * Bertl but I guess he is mostly busy with other stuff ... 1103377454 M * JonB yeah, must be, why else leave his "child", though i wonder how much of his code there is left 1103377475 M * Bertl we have about 200-300 lines left ;) 1103377494 M * JonB mostly with a # infront 1103377500 M * JonB or an #ifdef old 1103377522 M * Bertl yeah, it's a subset of the legacy networking code 1103377542 M * Bertl I guess it will vanish with the ngnet stuff ... 1103377559 M * JonB right 1103377572 M * Bertl but the 'basic priciples' are mostly the same as with the 'original' vserver ... 1103377595 M * JonB sure, how different can one create virtual servers anyway ? 1103377607 M * Bertl and we still have userspace compatibility ... 1103377792 M * Bertl Linux-VServer Test [V0.07] (C) 2003-2004 H.Poetzl 1103377792 M * Bertl chcontext is working. 1103377792 M * Bertl chbind is working. 1103377792 M * Bertl Linux 2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.10 i686/0.28/0.28 [J] 1103377792 M * Bertl --- 1103377794 M * Bertl [001]# succeeded. 1103377797 M * Bertl [011]# succeeded. 1103377799 M * Bertl [031]# succeeded. 1103377802 M * Bertl [101]# succeeded. 1103377804 M * Bertl [102]# succeeded. 1103377807 M * Bertl [201]# succeeded. 1103377810 M * Bertl [202]# succeeded. 1103377812 M * Bertl that is with vserver-0.28 tools ;) 1103377821 M * JonB heh 1103377828 M * matti ;] 1103378118 M * Bertl hmm, anybody interested in helping to add ipv6 to ngnet? 1103380250 Q * _id Quit: Verlassend 1103382056 Q * Loki|muh Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103382229 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1103382635 Q * sannes Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103382684 J * complexho ~mark@funk.gotadsl.co.uk 1103382695 M * Bertl welcome complexho! 1103382703 M * complexho omg how many people! 1103382709 M * complexho hi Bertl 1103383056 N * Doener Doener|gone 1103383073 M * complexho is anyone awake who might like to give a long-time user of the stable vserver some quick pointers (or a link!) into getting started with the 1.9.3 stuff? 1103383100 M * Bertl sure ... 1103383108 M * complexho I've just picked up some new hardware and would like to start testing some of the latest greatest stuff on it 1103383128 M * complexho hi Herbert wasn't sure if u were a bot or not :P 1103383136 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Release+FAQ 1103383141 M * complexho cheers! 1103383153 M * Bertl (there is a feature list) 1103383167 M * JonB complexho: a bot? He's only the main (if not only) coder 1103383175 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver 1103383182 M * Bertl (those are the new tools) 1103383185 M * complexho yeah I know, just wasn't sure if the welcome was a bot or not ;) 1103383200 M * complexho just looking at the release FAQ 1103383263 M * Bertl JonB: that would only require a sufficiently smart bot, right? 1103383285 M * JonB Bertl: yeah, a bot with American Intelligence 1103383317 M * Bertl American? 1103383319 M * complexho That looks like a good start, I have seen (or was that been blinded by) the flowers page before and it makes some sense. However the thing I have been stuck with is the vproc. It seems to need unhiding ?? 1103383321 M * JonB Bertl: AI 1103383350 M * complexho That has been my first hurdle to get over 1103383352 M * Bertl complexho: util-vserver 0.30.196 will do that for you 1103383361 M * Bertl (with the vprocunhide script) 1103383388 M * complexho ok is that something I just run once for each vserver or should it be part of the init procedure? 1103383482 M * complexho ok, so I just found the natty little search feature on the wiki *Laughs* 1103383494 M * complexho strike the last question 1103383511 M * Bertl ok ;) 1103383546 M * complexho to introduce myself btw, I have posted to le list a couple of times - I used to work for Idaya on the freeVSD project (some of you may know it) 1103383560 M * complexho My name is Mark Sutton 1103383577 M * complexho ok intros over, time to play 1103383581 M * complexho thanks 1103383585 M * Bertl yeah, we have a link to freeVSD ( if I don't mix up things) 1103383594 M * complexho will let you know how I get on... 1103383640 M * Bertl if you hit any issues, feel free to ask ... 1103383647 M * complexho thanks :) 1103383654 M * complexho I will... 1103383719 M * JonB complexho: what is the difference between the 2 project ? 1103383824 M * complexho well freevsd was totally done in userspace rather than being kernel patches. It used virtuald/inetd to map services through to the virtuals. No root user - just admin user with ability to configure apache sendmail etc, plus a few wrappers to tie it all together. 1103383856 M * complexho worked really well - very similar to the original iServers 1103383862 M * complexho if you remember them? 1103383865 M * JonB no 1103383874 M * JonB and i was confusing VSD with VPS 1103383896 M * complexho alas it had it's limitations and I guess what we were striving for all that time was VServer ;) 1103383915 M * complexho oh, and we had a really nice web control panel but that wasn't GPL unfortunately 1103384075 M * Bertl so, what happened to freeVSD? 1103384082 M * complexho Long story ;) 1103384112 A * Bertl is a patient listener ... 1103384290 M * complexho We started freevsd at DSVR (they are also using parts of vserver now - you will have seen Mr Sambrook on the list) but we broke the software off into a seperate company in order to concentrate on developing it as a GPL hosting platform. We wrote some nice panels - web, native client, outlook plugin for sendmail but ran out of money before we were ready. This was mid-late 2002 and new funding was hard to come by... 1103384333 M * complexho So the software bit the dust unfortunately... 1103384343 M * complexho That is the extremely short version 1103384347 M * complexho ;) 1103384370 M * Bertl jeah, jonathan shows up now and then ... 1103384380 M * complexho Still in touch with the original developers and still working with one of them 1103384406 M * Bertl and your plans for the future? migrate the panel stuff to linux-vserver? 1103384422 M * complexho in the end we were working towards adopting vserver as the base for the GPL hosting platform... 1103384448 M * complexho well I am certainly taking about it at the moment, hence the current effort to get up to date with the latest and greatest. 1103384494 M * complexho I am just about coming to the end of a large postfix project at the moment and considering this as the next project to pick u[ 1103384520 M * Bertl sounds good to me! 1103384535 M * JonB complexho: coding kernel or userspace ? 1103384538 M * complexho I will make a point of bring the idea past you guys... 1103384642 M * complexho •JonB• u mean the postfix project? all userspace - basically a large scale postfix cluster with mysql cluster backend and custom policy server implementation 1103384657 M * JonB complexho: i mean vserver 1103384657 M * complexho all of my work is userspace :) 1103384690 M * complexho certainly not any kind of kernel hacker ;) 1103384776 M * complexho so has there been much interest in the control panel side? I am obviously aware of openvps but haven't had any time to get it running yet... 1103384807 M * Bertl well, IMHO there are 4 categories of folks using linux-vserver 1103384817 M * Bertl (4 main categories that is) 1103384830 M * Bertl 1) the folks providing vds 1103384848 M * Bertl 2) folks providing 'services' (like web, mail, etc) 1103384855 M * JonB complexho: i mostly dont know anything about VPS, other than vserver and VPS had the same beginning (jaques patches) but what is left/different i dont know 1103384858 M * Bertl 3) folks providing security solutions 1103384864 M * JonB Bertl: vds? 1103384873 M * complexho virtual dedicated server 1103384885 M * Bertl 4) folks doing testing stuff (distros, userspace) 1103384887 M * JonB right 1103384952 M * complexho well I cover 1,2 and 4 - we do some vps hosting, some app hosting (mainly custom postfix setups) plus all our dev stuff is done in vservers just because it's such an agile almost disposable env 1103385015 M * Bertl yeah, and IMHO the cases 1 and 2 can make good use of a panel (although the panels might look very different) 1103385032 M * complexho in terms of control panel I am talking about dns, http mail etc, virtual hosting style 1103385069 M * complexho I have been having much success recently with mysql-backed configs but haven't quite mastered http yet 1103385076 M * complexho in terms of sql config 1103385090 M * complexho (if it's warranted at all) 1103385151 M * complexho Be Right Back. 5 mins 1103385629 M * complexho btw something I have to say... One thing I really love about vserver compared to other VPS systems is it's cleanness... It's a dream to work with 1103385662 M * complexho A chap I work with supports Virtuozzo at a big UK hosting company and it really sucks 1103385663 M * JonB complexho: thats a little too specific 1103385668 M * JonB complexho: unspecific 1103385682 M * JonB complexho: what features is it that makes it a dream to work with? 1103385722 M * complexho Well everything just works as you would expect it to... The fact that you are working with vanilla distros rather than some messed-up packaging system from one single company 1103385849 M * complexho That I suppose is the main thing. IMHO the packages supplied for the more proprietary systems tend to be lower quality. Being able to pick apt, yum, straight RPMs or whatever is the way it should be done. 1103385865 M * complexho That is what I mean by clean 1103385884 M * JonB complexho: when you install it ? 1103385895 M * JonB complexho: or updating the programs inside a vserver? 1103385972 M * complexho both really. The other systems tend to have to doctor their software to make it work properly. Often this is for no better reason than being able to lock-down and lock-out license wise but overall it makes them flaky overall 1103386015 M * complexho And then you end up inheriting someone elses config, otherwise you end up breaking things as well 1103386025 M * JonB right 1103386031 M * complexho You end up with a big spaghetti mess 1103386055 M * complexho but not with vserver... 1103386089 M * complexho The chap who maintains virtuozzo all day drolls when he gets a chance to play on my boxes ;) 1103386098 M * complexho drools sorry 1103386101 M * Bertl ;) 1103386109 M * JonB i hope he doesnt drool on the boxes 1103386115 M * complexho *Laughs* 1103386235 M * JonB complexho: google says "Virtuozzo - RapidVPS - Simply the best in Virtual Private Servers." 1103386247 M * complexho nope not them 1103386250 M * complexho :) 1103386273 M * complexho perhaps I'll get Nige in here to tell you what it's really like ;) 1103386285 M * Bertl would be interesting ... 1103386297 M * JonB please do 1103386306 M * JonB can we schedule the time using the mailing list? 1103386309 M * complexho I'm sure he would be very pleased to. He was the cheif packager for freeVSD 1103386326 M * complexho so he's well experienced with VPS from a hosting POV 1103386339 M * complexho let me get hold of him and come back to you 1103386581 M * complexho the lazy git is in bed atm *Laughs* it's 16:15 1103386595 M * complexho dont thin kit will be a problem though 1103386613 M * Bertl well, a good time to rise, a little early but okay ... ;) 1103386655 M * Bertl but wait, you didn't say he was sleeping *G* 1103386669 M * complexho perhaps we could also talk more about freeVSD - we had a few cool features from a hosting POV that we might be able to adapt for vserver 1103386680 M * complexho obviously all that was GPL 1103386689 M * Bertl feel free to use the channel for that ... 1103386716 M * complexho Paul Sladen used to hang around on the fringe of the freeVSD project as wel I'm sure he might like to get involved if he's around 1103386720 M * JonB complexho: isnt openVPS that builds ontop of vserver what you want to do ? 1103386750 M * complexho yeah it seems to be aimed at hosting 1103386782 M * complexho haven't really tried it though. Got the source down, had a read through and that was about it 1103386804 M * complexho seems to do some useful stuff but couldn't comment on how complete it is 1103386812 M * JonB oki 1103386816 M * Bertl well, it might server as a good example (regardless how it works) 1103386824 M * Bertl -r 1103386844 M * complexho yeah I might have to give it a go then... They seem to have produced a full distro as well. 1103386871 M * complexho might stick it in vmware and give it a whirl 1103386998 M * complexho will you guys be around later on this evening? 1103387011 M * Bertl I guess so .. 1103387034 M * JonB maybe 1103387052 J * sebd ~konversat@lesdeveloppementsdurables.org 1103387055 M * complexho cool I'll pop back later. gonna have to go for now 1103387058 M * Bertl welcome sebd! 1103387065 M * Bertl cya complexho! 1103387070 M * complexho enjoyed talking 1103387075 M * Bertl was nice chatting, yeah! 1103387078 M * sebd hi 1103387104 M * complexho tata for now 1103387106 P * complexho 1103387994 A * sladen looks around 1103388012 M * Bertl hey paul! 1103388078 M * sladen openvsd/openvps/freevsd were about making the management tools (for isp admins, vserver admins and vserver lusers) that used a standard interface to connect to the management suite 1103388106 M * sladen eg. Providing a *very* high level interface and options such as 'add pop user' through the web interface 1103388125 M * Bertl right! 1103388133 M * JonB sladen: but isnt that also what freeVPS does? (besides stealing bertls work) 1103388177 M * Bertl well, they can't actually 'steal' anything ... 1103388187 M * sladen I guess so. How many combinations of {free,open}{vsd,vps} are there? 1103388206 M * Bertl 4 ;) 1103388212 M * JonB Bertl: no more 1103388236 M * JonB Bertl: it's getting confusing 1103388252 M * sladen the freevsd setup also included the low-level code to provide the semi-equivalent of chroot + hacked glibc to force the hostname 1103388729 M * Bertl sladen: do you have an updated bug list for linux-vserver stable or devel? 1103388986 M * sladen Bertl: nope, haven't been following the latter stuff. I've been using a 'frozen' version for a long time, as I couldn't cope with the feature-rev and still rely on it working 1103389011 M * Bertl hmm, so you consider 1.29 unreliable? 1103389166 M * sladen Bertl: don't know, I haven't tried it. When I get the recently-donated Alpha box up, I'll have a look 1103389202 M * JonB does anyone test on a mac? 1103389237 M * Bertl define mac. ppc, ppc64, m68k ? 1103389262 M * JonB ppc64 1103389308 M * Bertl hmm, I remember somebody talking about a dual G5 ... 1103389315 M * JonB Bertl: noone else ? 1103389442 M * JonB Bertl: what about on ppc32 ? 1103389466 M * Bertl I have a ppc notebook, I test it now and then ... 1103389483 M * JonB Bertl: okay 1103389606 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no 1103389711 M * Bertl welcome sannes! 1103393246 Q * Thorsten Quit: Leaving 1103393356 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103393545 Q * Thorsten Remote host closed the connection 1103393545 Q * sannes Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103394422 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103394504 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back later 1103394512 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1103395582 Q * Thorsten Remote host closed the connection 1103396042 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103396047 Q * Thorsten Remote host closed the connection 1103396072 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103396449 Q * Thorsten Quit: Leaving 1103396481 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103396584 N * are|afk _are_ 1103398585 Q * Thorsten Remote host closed the connection 1103398749 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103398750 Q * Thorsten Quit: 1103399500 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103399721 J * complexho ~mark@funk.gotadsl.co.uk 1103400385 Q * Thorsten Remote host closed the connection 1103400566 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no 1103400616 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103400730 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103400964 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1103400974 M * Bertl Thorsten: testing irc clients? 1103401076 M * Thorsten :-( First I tested how to destroy my display with vservers starting kdm ;-) and to I was asked to configure a forcefeedback usb wheel. 1103401159 Q * Thorsten Remote host closed the connection 1103401220 M * pizdec Bertl: did you see what I said last night about that bind mount I was trying a few days ago? 1103401242 M * Bertl I saw something but I didn't read the details ... 1103401272 M * Bertl can you give me a short version? 1103401315 M * pizdec sure, I didn't have a spare device to use to share between vserver instances, so I had to try to share a bind mount 1103401339 M * pizdec simple as this in fstab: /some/shared/dir /mountpoint none bind 0 0 1103401366 M * Bertl yeah, looks normal 1103401400 M * pizdec yeah I think that was what you and doener were trying to tell me before but I was doing it wrong 1103401423 M * Bertl ah, okay, so you didn't know how to sepcify a bind mount in fstab? 1103401429 M * pizdec no no I did 1103401450 M * pizdec only I was trying to manually bind mount something inside the vserver root, _prior_ to startup 1103401466 M * pizdec instead of just putting it in fstab and letting vserver handle it 1103401476 M * Bertl ah, okay, I understand ... 1103401522 M * pizdec very very handy 1103401581 M * Bertl okay, off again .. back later ... 1103401586 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1103401587 M * pizdec though I wish bind mounts would honor 'ro' option 1103401609 M * Bertl_oO well, they do, if you use BME 1103401620 M * pizdec bme? 1103401629 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1103401636 M * Bertl BME = Bind Mount Extensions 1103401656 M * pizdec url? 1103401657 M * Bertl some patches I wrote as bugfix to 2.4/2.6 1103401660 M * pizdec ah 1103401699 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/BME/ 1103401708 M * pizdec cool thanks 1103401721 M * Bertl latest patches/kernel are not that well tested 1103401741 M * Bertl but if you want to use/test something like that, I'll update them to 2.6.10 ... 1103401752 M * Bertl okay, really off for now ... 1103401756 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1103401783 M * pizdec see ya 1103403582 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71 1103403786 M * eyck aloha, 1103405982 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dsl-084-057-067-002.arcor-ip.net 1103406409 Q * JonB Quit: Leaving 1103410293 Q * lilo Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103413088 N * _are_ are|afk 1103413266 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1103413280 M * Bertl evening folks! 1103413299 M * Thorsten Hi Bertl 1103413368 M * Bertl hey, everything fine? 1103413466 M * Thorsten Switching to xinetd is more work than setting up vserer itself ;-) 1103413488 M * Bertl heh, what did you use before? 1103413529 M * Thorsten standard inetd 1103413555 M * Bertl i.c. 1103413566 M * Thorsten i.c.? Is everything alright with the malinglist? 1103413589 M * Bertl i.c. = I see 1103413597 M * Thorsten i.c. 1103413597 M * Bertl what should be wrong with the ml? 1103413647 M * Thorsten I wrote 2 mails and I doubt that they really reached it yet 1103413663 M * Bertl hmm, did you get a reply? 1103413744 M * Thorsten reply to what? The 2 mails or the subscription mails? 1103413773 M * Bertl okay, so you did subscribe successfully, then sent an email 1103413806 M * Bertl usually the first email to the list causes a reply mail to verify that you are not a spammer ... 1103413853 M * Thorsten Yes, and subscription seems OK, I got "Welcome to the "Vserver" mailing list", but after the the first mail I also had to answer the verfy mail. After that no more reply 1103413881 M * Bertl then it should have been received successfully ... maybe we have to wait a little ... 1103413943 M * Thorsten Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:23:04? 1103413968 M * Thorsten Maybe I should resent the address verification mail that shouldn't hurt 1103414070 M * Thorsten http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/ also strange, check the top 3 messages? 1103414102 M * Bertl yeah, that's an old bug ... 1103414116 M * Bertl use paul's realtime ml ..