1103156155 Q * rs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103156476 N * _are_ are|afk 1103156608 J * rs ~rs@imhotep.rhapsodyk.net 1103157220 Q * rs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103157220 Q * ensc Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103157283 J * ensc ~ircensc@ultra.csn.tu-chemnitz.de 1103158020 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no 1103162078 J * rs ~rs@imhotep.rhapsodyk.net 1103169167 J * _sebd_ ~konversat@81.56.247.131 1103169167 Q * tn Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103169168 Q * sebd_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103172330 J * nox- ~vps@c207217.adsl.hansenet.de 1103172675 Q * nox Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103172690 N * nox- nox 1103173958 J * DuckKing ~Duck@dyn-83-152-195-17.ppp.tiscali.fr 1103174390 Q * DuckMaster Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103174530 Q * rs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103179087 Q * are|afk Quit: Disconnecting 1103184019 J * are|afk ~are@gateway-dsl.lihas.de 1103184046 M * are|afk hi 1103184049 N * are|afk _are_ 1103184916 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103185069 J * ntrs ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1103185340 J * ntrs_ ntrs@Dardeene-68.188.50.87.charter-stl.com 1103185340 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103186071 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com 1103190913 J * Duckx ~duckx@195.75.27.158 1103191922 J * rs ~rs@imhotep.rhapsodyk.net 1103193003 M * sizo moin 1103195614 J * t_ ~tnichols@139.168.209.26 1103195716 J * t__ ~tnichols@CPE-139-168-209-68.sa.bigpond.net.au 1103196005 Q * t Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103196125 Q * t_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103196204 Q * t__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103197072 N * cereal|away cereal 1103197198 M * cereal good morning :) 1103197767 J * t__ ~tnichols@203-217-4-194.dyn.iinet.net.au 1103198150 Q * sizo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103202272 J * Ben81 ~Ben81@tipi0e.lri.fr 1103202282 M * Ben81 hi 1103203009 M * albeiro Bertl_zZ: wake up ;p 1103203337 N * cereal cereal|away 1103203681 N * cereal|away cereal 1103203720 M * Ben81 i've got some problems with the sched flag 1103203730 M * Ben81 some can help me please :) ? 1103203842 M * Doener you'll have to share some details otherwise the answer is no ;) 1103203921 M * Ben81 ok 1103203934 M * Ben81 I use the 1.29 1103203955 M * Ben81 I launch 2 VPS 1103204034 M * Ben81 if i don't put the sched flag and i overload one the second is affected so it's normal 1103204068 M * Ben81 but i u put the sched flag i''ve got strange results 1103204146 M * Ben81 some application at the same time launched on the overloaded one don't take the same time to end (i launch a stupid computaion and measure the execution time) 1103204166 M * Ben81 laucnhed at the same time sorrry 1103204193 M * Doener overloaded means? 1103204231 M * Ben81 ont VPS1 i launch 3 applications at the same time 1103204248 M * Ben81 (the same application) 1103204268 M * Ben81 and on VPS2 only 1 time this application 1103204349 M * Ben81 normaly the execution time ont the application on VPS2 must be the same if there is 1, 2 or 3 application running on VPS1 no? 1103204416 M * Doener hm, good question... 1103204450 M * Ben81 with the shed flag, the sheduler must shedule by VPS and not by proces isn't it ? 1103204487 M * Doener i'll have a look at the kernel sources, as i'm not fully aware of the semantics of this flag 1103204500 M * Ben81 ok thanks 1103204512 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1103204739 M * Doener no, doesn't look like... 1103204744 M * Doener for_each_task(p) { 1103204744 M * Doener p->counter = (p->counter >> 1) + NICE_TO_TICKS(p->nice); 1103204744 M * Doener if (p->s_info && (p->s_info->flags & VX_INFO_SCHED)) 1103204744 M * Doener atomic_add(p->counter, &p->s_info->ticks); 1103204746 M * Doener } 1103204797 M * Ben81 :-/ 1103204808 M * Doener so the 'ticks' represent the sum of all processes' counters 1103204815 M * Ben81 i'm not familiar with kernel programmation :- 1103204819 M * Ben81 ok 1103204947 M * Doener the average counter value is then used for all processes instead of the actual process' counter 1103205020 M * Doener so, if you f.e. got two processes, one with a high counter, one with a low counter, you'll get a different result than with two 'high counter' processes 1103205077 M * Ben81 ok 1103205084 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1103205089 M * Doener and you still have two processes 1103205094 M * Bertl morning folks! 1103205108 M * albeiro morning Bertl :) 1103205117 M * Doener it's not that they now get half the execution time as normal, but their priority is averaged 1103205134 A * albeiro would like to install newest vserver with ngnet and will not give up like previously 1103205144 M * Doener hey Bertl! how are you? 1103205148 M * Doener getting better? 1103205164 M * Doener or even already cured? 1103205185 M * Bertl yeah, thought I'm almost in perfect shape yesterday, but got a little thrown back this night ... but not so bad atm ... 1103205250 M * Ben81 but on normaly you should add the two counter no ? 1103205352 M * albeiro any new patches i should download ? just purged my vserver dir ;p 1103205357 M * Ben81 but another problem i have with the sched flag is that the 3 application doesn't take the same time... 1103205707 M * cereal morning Bertl 1103205741 M * Bertl albeiro: nothing fancy yet ... 1103205761 Q * Duckx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103205787 A * albeiro greps logs for patches lkink 1103205792 M * albeiro *links 1103205793 M * _are_ Anyone can point me an URL for 2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.11? Seems I always get lost there. 1103205840 M * Doener http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/ 1103205849 M * Doener http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.11.diff 1103205868 M * _are_ :-) 1103205917 M * Bertl Ben81: the stable branch (i.e. 1.2x) has no support for 'hard' scheduling ... so what the sched flag effectively does is just treat a vserver like a single process regarding the tick counting for the scheduler ... 1103206029 M * Ben81 ok 1103206071 M * Ben81 so is it normal to get stange results ? 1103206103 M * Ben81 like simultaneous lauching of the sames application return differents times ? 1103206104 M * Bertl yes, you basically get what the 'sheduler' does with the 'adjusted' priorities ... 1103206138 M * Ben81 ok 1103206160 M * Ben81 and i can use the unstable branch to solve this problem ? 1103206168 M * albeiro hm 1103206177 M * albeiro too much of confusing 1103206198 M * Bertl Ben81: the devel release for 2.6 (i.e. 1.9.x) has support for hard time scheduling (even for the idle task) 1103206203 M * albeiro wchich ngnet, vnet, utilites should i get to match patch-2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.11.diff ? 1103206222 M * Bertl no patch for that yet, you need 1.9.3.10 1103206238 J * Duckx ~duckx@195.75.27.158 1103206264 M * Ben81 actually is 1.9.3 ? 1103206322 M * albeiro vnet-0.02.tar.bz2 is ok ? 1103206435 M * Ben81 Bertl : actually is 1.9.3 ? 1103206435 M * Bertl albeiro: yep, those are the hack tools ... 1103206477 M * Bertl Ben81: I'd go for 1.9.3.11 on 2.6.10-rc3, but yes 1.9.3 is the latest 'official' release 1103206483 A * albeiro has downloaded buch of various stuff 1103206513 M * Ben81 ok thank you Bertl & Doener 1103206525 M * Ben81 Bye all 1103206535 M * Bertl cya Ben81, have fun! 1103206571 M * albeiro linux-2.6.9 + patch-2.6.10-rc3 + patch-2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.10.diff yeah ? 1103206671 M * Bertl yep, then the ng7 diff and the ng7-ng7.2 delta ... 1103206715 M * albeiro ;p 1103206744 M * Bertl there will be a dele release of ng8.x today ... I guess 1103206750 M * Bertl s/dele/devel/ 1103206783 M * Bertl but it would be good to have a checklist what doesn't work yet with the ngnet stuff (which is probably a lot) 1103206815 Q * Duckx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103206886 Q * Ben81 Quit: Leaving 1103206959 M * Bertl Doener: would you like to hack on the vnet stuff a little? 1103206986 M * Bertl (feel free to say no ;) 1103206993 M * Doener not atm, i'm pretty busy... christmas time... 1103207001 M * Doener :( 1103207005 M * Bertl np 1103207262 M * albeiro seems to be patched... 1103207341 M * albeiro compiling... :) 1103207377 P * matti 8-X 1103207597 J * Duckx ~duckx@195.75.27.158 1103207618 M * Bertl wb Duckx! 1103208117 N * cereal cereal|away 1103208222 N * cereal|away cereal 1103208281 M * Bertl hey that was quick ;) 1103208516 N * cereal cereal|away 1103208533 N * cereal|away cereal 1103208638 N * cereal cereal|away 1103208656 N * cereal|away cereal 1103208775 M * Bertl cereal: hmm, please stop it! ;) 1103208806 M * cereal yes :) this was the last time, i have to test something, but now itīs finished 1103208821 M * Bertl ah, okay, you should announce that first ;) 1103208876 M * Bertl back in a few ... 1103208881 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1103209413 M * albeiro wish me luck, reboot... 1103209732 M * albeiro unable to open initial ocnsole :/ 1103211344 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1103211649 M * _are_ albeiro: forgot to select 'VGA text console'? at least early 2.6 versions came with that disabled when you just started with an old 2.4 .config 1103211738 M * albeiro i have it selected 1103211744 M * albeiro and others as well 1103211756 M * albeiro it's just 2.6... evelopment versino of linux kernel 1103211790 M * _are_ hmm, just curious as Tuesday some mate announced same problem to me with a recent 2.6, but afaik 2.6.9, no rc or similar 1103213368 J * berni_ ~berni@obelix.ipv6.birkenwald.de 1103213410 Q * berni Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103213596 M * albeiro advanced routing is not working with ngnet 1103213603 A * albeiro is hunting what else ;] 1103213839 N * cereal cereal|away 1103214142 Q * Duckx Quit: Leaving 1103214541 J * no_maam ~erik@datenzone.de 1103214542 M * no_maam hi 1103214545 M * no_maam I got a little problem 1103214550 M * no_maam Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. 1103214553 M * no_maam inside a vserver 1103214557 M * no_maam how could this be caused? 1103214568 M * Loki|muh when does this happen? 1103214573 M * no_maam starting screen 1103214580 M * no_maam or launching a gnome-terminal or an xterm 1103214646 M * no_maam happens in 2 different vservers on the system 1103214656 M * no_maam devpts is mounted according to /proc/mounts 1103214670 M * Loki|muh this is common if you change user and try then to open a screen 1103214693 M * no_maam I did not change it 1103214696 M * no_maam only entered a vserver 1103214703 M * no_maam but inside the vserver, /dev/pts is empty 1103214721 M * Loki|muh hmmm, no idea, sorry :( 1103214790 M * no_maam is there special security or so? 1103214839 M * Loki|muh i am not a dev, so i'm not very deep inside it 1103216505 N * cereal|away cereal 1103216708 J * Doener doener@193.24.208.125 1103217404 Q * _are_ Quit: Disconnecting 1103218731 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1103219478 M * Bertl no_maam: you are logged on to the system or 'just' entered the vserver? 1103220702 J * pizdec ~o_o@c-67-170-167-232.client.comcast.net 1103220742 M * Bertl welcome pizdec! 1103220754 M * pizdec howdy 1103220958 M * pizdec is it normal for the primary interface (i.e. eth0) to show up with no IP inside a vserver, with IPs only showing on eth0:1 and eth0:2? 1103220980 M * pizdec I'm using 1.9.3 dev release 1103220984 M * Bertl yep, unless you 'allow' them to be visible 1103221029 M * pizdec hm 1103221070 M * pizdec I bet I know what it is 1103221137 M * albeiro so... 1103221150 M * albeiro network in vserver ng net is not working for me :( 1103221157 M * albeiro i mean 1103221171 M * albeiro in host system 1103221188 M * Bertl currently you cannot add routes with ngnet 1103221203 M * Bertl so you are restricted to local networks 1103221209 M * albeiro well, networking subsystem does not work at all 1103221215 M * Bertl means? 1103221232 M * albeiro i have started 2.6.vserver.ngnet kernel 1103221237 M * albeiro got ip from dhcp 1103221259 M * albeiro but for example default routing not (i always get it on 2.4) 1103221260 M * Bertl hmm, dhcp works? fine! 1103221269 M * pizdec hm does the new-style configuration still support .conf in addition to the /etc/vservers/ directory, or does it only use that file if it can't find the directory? 1103221280 M * albeiro so i tried to add default routing by hand 1103221281 M * pizdec duh nm I'll just look 1103221283 M * Bertl albeiro: yeah, as I said, routing is not possible with ng7.2 1103221300 M * albeiro hm 1103221310 M * albeiro so no way for me to test ngnet :/ 1103221311 M * Bertl pizdec: just if it 'assumes' legacy then it is read 1103221332 M * Bertl albeiro: well, maybe not right now .. will change soon, I hope 1103221336 M * pizdec yep just saw that in vserver 1103221336 M * albeiro why there is no routing ability ? 1103221356 M * Bertl there _is_ routing ability, but some bug forbids to add routes 1103221365 M * albeiro i managed to add it 1103221383 M * Bertl ah, really? let's hear! 1103221397 M * albeiro trying by hand i was getting errors 1103221410 M * albeiro with added parametr "onlink" it succeded 1103221411 M * albeiro but nothing more 1103221423 M * albeiro i could not ping anything else beside my own network 1103221459 M * Bertl ah, okay, the onlink does not add the route until the subsystem thinks there is a conenction ... 1103221464 M * albeiro yeah 1103221471 M * albeiro that's why it succeded ;p 1103221493 M * albeiro and what's funny - although i copuld ping my network hosts 1103221502 M * Bertl yep, you can look in the irc log, IIRC yesterday I posted a line, which can be changed to allow routing for the host 1103221509 M * pizdec is the new-style configuration documented anywhere most everything I'm finding references stable or prior 1103221525 M * albeiro i kept getting message that network is not reachable, so routing could not be added ;p 1103221550 M * Bertl pizdec: http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver and 1103221558 M * Bertl http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ensc/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html 1103221690 M * pizdec aha the latter is what I need, thanks 1103221713 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1103221806 M * albeiro heh 1103221808 M * albeiro 16:49:48< BWare> Bertl any suggestions on how to get routing going with ng7 ? ip route add default via 192.168.0.x fails with RT 1103221811 M * albeiro ;p 1103221826 M * albeiro RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable <- that's it 1103221840 M * Bertl yep 1103221881 M * albeiro 17:02:05< Bertl> BWare: changing the line 456 in net/ipv4/fib_semantics_ngnet.c 1103221882 M * albeiro 17:02:13< Bertl> to: .nfxid = current->xid }; 1103221882 M * Bertl you have to change an argument (-2) to vx_current_xid() 1103221887 M * albeiro but it is no clear what it will give me 1103221903 M * Bertl it will not fix the issue, but allow 'host' routes 1103221906 M * no_maam Bertl: ok, found the problem 1103221949 M * albeiro ok, os i will wait (again) for new ngnet reselase :) 1103221953 M * albeiro s/os/so/ 1103221976 M * Bertl okay, you can expect a new one in a few hours ... 1103222050 M * albeiro fine, but with this bug fixed ? 1103222070 M * Bertl with completely new bugs ;) and thanks for testing ... 1103222094 M * albeiro well, i can not do any testing till routing will not work, sorry ;p 1103222112 M * albeiro till routing will work even ;] 1103222113 M * Bertl yeah, no problem, I guess routing will work in the next release 1103222124 M * albeiro :) 1103222160 M * Bertl didn't know of this issue when I released ng7.2 because I only tested with local networks 1103223084 M * pizdec is it possible to 'share' directories between vservers running on the same physical machine 1103223097 M * pizdec maybe with bind mounts or soemthing? 1103223131 M * Bertl yes, should work ... but it's trickier to do them 1103223148 M * Bertl (because you need to do them _inside_ the vservers namespace) 1103223157 M * pizdec yeah that's the issue I ran into 1103223175 M * Bertl you can --bind mount before you start the vserver, that should work fine 1103223187 M * pizdec my situation is this: I have a webserver running in one vserver, and shell access running in another 1103223195 M * pizdec hmm it didn't work for me 1103223210 M * pizdec the mountpoint showed up empty in the vserver 1103223252 M * pizdec I have a cvs repository I'd like to have available to both vservers, for cvsweb on the first and direct access on the second 1103223262 M * pizdec if that clarifies it any 1103223271 M * Bertl yep, I know what you're up to ... 1103223287 M * Bertl well, I didn't test that yet, but I do not see why it shouldn't work ... 1103223303 M * Bertl (the vserver does an --rbind which should copy the --bind mount too) 1103223312 M * pizdec hm 1103223315 M * pizdec I'll try it again 1103223333 M * pizdec I've made changes since I tried last, so perhaps something was awry 1103223345 M * Bertl okay, let me know what you find ... 1103223345 Q * sannes Read error: Connection reset by peer 1103223477 M * pizdec hmm no not working, unless I am missing something 1103223505 M * pizdec basically, I did: mount -o bind /raid/CVS /raid/vservers/testhost/CVS 1103223514 M * pizdec touch /raid/CVS/test 1103223523 M * pizdec restarted testhost vserver 1103223550 M * pizdec from the main host I can see the file "test" inside CVS dir, but from the vserver is appears empty 1103223569 M * Bertl and if you touch a file from inside? 1103223579 M * pizdec good question 1103223659 M * pizdec ok I touch files from inside the vserv and I can see them inside that context 1103223670 M * pizdec when I exit they are not viewable from the main host 1103223677 M * pizdec until I unmount the bind mount 1103223701 M * pizdec it's basically just not seeing the mount and writing directly to the directory 1103223702 M * Bertl okay, so the bind mount is only visible on the host then ... 1103223706 M * Doener i guess the "symlink cascade" does cause the bind mounts not to be in the vserver namespace 1103223707 M * pizdec yep 1103223741 M * Bertl Doener: hmm, I would opt for --rbind not copying the bind mounts, but maybe you are right ... 1103223762 M * Bertl pizdec: could you try with a real partition instead? 1103223787 M * Bertl (to mount it into the vserver _before_ vserver startup) 1103223867 M * pizdec ummm yeah I can 1103224004 M * Doener anyways, to make those shared mounts static you could as well add them to the vservers' fstab, right? 1103224019 M * pizdec I was wondering that 1103224022 M * Bertl 'should' work ... 1103224045 M * pizdec oh this is interesting 1103224066 M * pizdec mounting a real partition inside the vserver prior to start, and I still cannot see it 1103224123 M * pizdec either way, I get the contents of the actual directory, not the contents of what is mounted on it 1103224161 M * Bertl okay, I admit, I have no idea what happens when the vserver namespace is created (it's all userspace ;) 1103224175 M * pizdec heheh 1103224248 M * Doener pizdec: could you make the output of a "vserver --debug xyz start" available? the lines containing "vnamespace" would be enough... 1103224258 M * pizdec sure 1103224291 M * pizdec which startup do you want to see, with a bind mount inside the vserver or the real partition? 1103224319 M * Doener doesn't matter, even without any prior mounting is fine 1103224636 M * pizdec that is with a real partition mounted in what is the /CVS directory inside the vserver 1103224929 J * _are_ ~are@dsl-213-023-039-218.arcor-ip.net 1103225123 M * Doener hm... 1103225142 M * Doener mugwump: around? iirc you once analysed what the tools exactly do while mounting... 1103225158 M * Bertl wb _are_! 1103225649 J * grecea ~grecea@h-195-22-237-74.mdl.net 1103225853 M * Bertl welcome grecea! 1103226115 M * pizdec btw, if it's of interest, I'm all my vservers are gentoo running on gentoo 1103226147 M * Bertl hmm ... hmm .. didn't gentoo require some modifications to work? 1103226159 M * pizdec a bit yes 1103226192 M * pizdec I'm not concerned about the mounting issue, if you even think it might be related to gentoo then don't sweat it 1103226204 M * _are_ hi 1103226217 M * Bertl pizdec: well, would be nice to know why that one fails ... 1103226224 M * pizdec agreed 1103226254 M * pizdec the modifications to run under gentoo are mostly if not all with the gentoo install itself, rather than any vserver stuff 1103226263 M * Bertl btw, what kernel and patches do you use? 1103226273 M * pizdec 2.6.9/1.9.3 1103226322 M * Bertl could you give 2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.11 a try? (not that I expect it to fix the issue, just to make sure) 1103226347 M * pizdec eek I can try at some point but I have too much stuff running right now 1103226361 M * Bertl okay, no problem ... 1103227040 N * _Plug Plug 1103227063 M * Bertl wb Plug! 1103227786 Q * Doener Remote host closed the connection 1103228034 N * cereal cereal^ZzZZ 1103228072 M * Bertl night cereal^ZzZZ! 1103228084 M * cereal^ZzZZ gn8 1103228157 M * cereal^ZzZZ :) 1103229350 J * axxo ~axxo@213.131.245.100 1103229358 M * Bertl welcome axxo! 1103229966 N * t__ t 1103230013 M * t bertl, on the mailing list I tried to email but got a message saying please verify by replying, except when I did that nothing has happened (and as far as i can tell the message hasn't gotten to the list) 1103230025 M * t any ideas why? :-) 1103230157 M * Bertl well, the reply is normal .. if the message doesn't show up in the next few hours, I'd contact martin ... 1103230164 M * Bertl what was the subject? 1103230172 M * t about the amd64 stuff I have been working on 1103230225 M * Bertl hmm, well, your mail didn't arrive here either ... did you reply from the same account? 1103230245 M * t yeah 1103230256 M * t it was at work so i only have one identity configured 1103230279 M * Bertl okay, wait a few hours, if nothing shows up, please contact martin ... (email on the wiki frontpage) 1103230324 M * t ok ta 1103230367 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no 1103230408 M * Bertl welcome sannes! 1103230739 J * Doener doener@193.24.208.125 1103230785 M * Bertl wb Doener! 1103230805 M * Doener evening! 1103231119 M * _are_ t: what you do with amd64 stuff? I currently work on a dual Opteron with amd64 debian. yesterday the box froze once. 1103231136 M * Bertl hmm, which kernel? 1103231171 M * _are_ 2.6.9, 2.6.10rc3 is in the works 1103231219 M * Bertl okay, tx! 1103231392 M * sannes :) 1103231465 M * _are_ might as well be the aic79xx driver, know other machine swith trouble there 1103231684 N * cereal^ZzZZ cereal|away 1103232480 Q * mugwump Remote host closed the connection 1103233333 Q * axxo Quit: brb 1103233859 N * _are_ are|afk 1103234050 M * Bertl yess! 1103234576 M * Bertl okay, folks, have a good whatever, I'm off to bed now ... 1103234598 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1103239512 Q * monrad Remote host closed the connection 1103239586 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk 1103241597 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving