1102204915 J * soopertrooper456 soopertro@pD9E1F2BF.dip.t-dialin.net
1102204946 M * Bertl hmm .. maybe I should ban the entire dip.t-dialin.net?
1102205033 P * soopertrooper456 
1102205094 M * Doener would ban me as well :( if i don't use my bnc that is... ;)
1102205132 M * Bertl hmm, we probably can't do that then ;)
1102205140 M * Doener but yeah, it's pretty strange that only those guys seem to enjoy join/part in a loop
1102205157 M * Bertl well, join/part with never saying anything ...
1102205181 M * Bertl checked the logs for laberwabe yesterday ...
1102205202 M * Doener that hostmask was also the first one to get its connection limit lowered on quakenet
1102205234 M * Bertl quite understandable ...
1102205253 M * Doener yep, too many kiddies
1102205469 M * Doener hm, guess i have to drop sylpheed, can't get it to work with utf-8... any suggestions for a nice mua?
1102205516 M * Bertl mutt works for me ... but YMMV
1102205874 M * Doener i need something to handle multiple smtp accounts and couldn't find a way to get any mta do that, so mutt is no choice :(
1102205936 M * Bertl smtp accounts like accounts over pop/imap or what?
1102206054 M * Doener like xyz@abc.de and abc@xyz.de as 'from' address, so that i can choose which one to use... but f.e. postfix only supports a single outgoing smtp server iirc
1102206084 M * Bertl so it's the outgoing address only, right?
1102206104 M * Doener yeah, incoming should be doable i guess
1102206148 M * Bertl http://wiki.mutt.org/index.cgi
1102206177 M * Bertl http://wiki.mutt.org/index.cgi?MuttGuide/Msmtp
1102206259 M * Doener my google skills really have to suck... i spent nearly two days searching... and found nothing...
1102206271 M * Doener thanks!
1102206294 M * Bertl you're welcome ... and remember, just ask Bertl ;)
1102206363 A * Bertl burns another offer to the all-knowing garbage damp ...
1102206499 M * Doener hmm... don't understand the last sentence... something about sacrificing?
1102206578 J * sim0n simon@212.76.255.43
1102206590 M * sim0n hi all!
1102206600 M * Bertl Doener: offer -> offering, damp -> dump ...
1102206604 M * Bertl hey sim0n!
1102206635 M * sim0n how are you Bertl ?
1102206660 M * Bertl fine, thanks ... and you?
1102206666 M * sim0n fine too :-)
1102206667 M * sim0n what version should i take for kernel v2.6 ? 1.3.9 or 1.9.3 ?
1102206689 M * Bertl I would prefer you take 1.3.9 (just to have some fun)
1102206702 M * Doener ehehe
1102206727 M * sim0n hmmm.... r u sure :-) ?
1102206729 M * Bertl no seriously, 1.3.9 won't work with 2.6 ...
1102206734 M * sim0n ok
1102206765 M * Bertl maybe you want to test some ngnet stuff?
1102206779 M * Bertl bleeding edge ... and such ...
1102206836 M * sim0n hmm for that i would first have to setup a testing environment...
1102206858 M * sim0n i'm trying to migrate my 2.4 production server to 2.6 right now...
1102206893 M * Bertl ah, well, then it will not be ngnet I guess ...
1102206930 M * sim0n :-)
1102206935 M * Bertl nevertheless some 'testing' on your side would be advised, migration from 2.4 to 2.6 is quite simple, but you should know what to expect ... 
1102206972 M * sim0n uh? which precisely means?
1102207002 M * sim0n AFAIK everything i was using before works as well now. except maybe for quota
1102207012 M * Bertl well, some things changed (with the kernel for example)
1102207024 J * soopertrooper456 soopertro@pD9E1F2BF.dip.t-dialin.net
1102207045 M * Doener welcome soopertrooper456 
1102207060 M * Bertl please let us all say hello to soopertrooper456 (in private, several times ;)
1102207124 M * sim0n bertl i'm already running several servers on 2.6... so if nothing specific on the vserver side changed, i should be fine...?
1102207149 M * Bertl well, in this case you already did some testing on your side, right?
1102207222 M * sim0n weeeeeeeeeell they are running quite well and stable, as expected...
1102207261 M * sim0n what problems do you think i could face ?
1102207289 P * soopertrooper456 
1102207379 M * Bertl if you keep the stable tools (up to 0.30) you should use one of the recent patches and everything should be fine ...
1102207414 M * Bertl if you switch to the alpha tools (0.30.196) you should get used to the new-style config and move to that ASAP
1102207442 M * Bertl basically any issues you encounter can be considered a bug ...
1102207473 M * sim0n i wanted to use dev-tools and kernel-patch 1.9.3 ...
1102207505 M * sim0n what's better then...stable or alpha tools? ... i mean for prod. servers?
1102207516 M * Bertl should be fine, but as I said, alpha tools use a different config style ... you need to get used to that ...
1102207527 M * sim0n i'll try to
1102207539 M * Bertl lycos and rosehosting are using the newstyle config AFAIK
1102207555 M * Bertl (well they have to, because they want the new features)
1102207562 M * sim0n :-) k
1102207579 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.9.diff
1102207590 M * Bertl (recent patch for 1.9)
1102207605 M * Bertl 2.6.9 kernel has some ugly issues ...
1102207629 M * sim0n uh ok. so i better go with 2.6.10-rc3..
1102207653 M * sim0n btw.. patch 2.6.9 just gave me : patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
1102207653 M * sim0n patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
1102207696 M * Bertl 2.6.9 kernel patch?
1102207736 M * sim0n yes
1102207754 M * Bertl well, that is unusual ...
1102207772 M * sim0n did a bzcat ... | patch -p1 ...
1102207844 M * sim0n anyway...i'm downloading 2.6.10-rc3 and trying that one..
1102208037 M * Bertl okay, let me know if you need anything ...
1102208214 M * sim0n ok thnx
1102208660 M * sim0n bertl... i'm currently using lvm. is it compatible with lvm2 in v2.6? do i need to convert anything or so?
1102208701 M * Bertl lvm volumes 'should' be auto converted by your lvm2 tools ...
1102208713 M * Bertl (depends on your host distro)
1102208740 M * Bertl going back from lvm2 to lvm is not possible ... so it's a one way street there
1102208763 M * sim0n you are fast... i was just going to ask that :-P
1102208804 M * Bertl yeah, I know, I'm psychic ... ;)
1102208832 M * sim0n :-)
1102209247 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102209453 J * virtuoso s0t0na@mutator.sot.com
1102209463 Q * albeiro Read error: Connection reset by peer
1102209505 M * matti ;]
1102209549 M * Bertl hey matti!
1102209656 M * matti Hello Bertl :]
1102209769 M * Bertl you have a very .. square-edged face ... easy to remember ... ;)
1102209787 M * matti Hahaha :]
1102209789 M * matti :-)))))))))
1102210419 M * Bertl ngnet seems to perform quite well ...
1102210602 J * monrad monrad@213083190130.sonofon.dk
1102210609 M * Bertl welcome monrad!
1102210963 J * soopertrooper456 soopertro@pD9E1F2BF.dip.t-dialin.net
1102211054 F * ChanServ +o Bertl
1102211099 F * Bertl +b *!*@pD9E1F2BF.dip.t-dialin.net
1102211161 F * Bertl +b soopertrooper*!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net
1102211189 P * soopertrooper456 
1102211204 F * Bertl +b laberwa*!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net
1102211220 F * Bertl +b rollingthun*!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net
1102211244 F * Bertl -b *!*@pD9E1F2BF.dip.t-dialin.net
1102211348 F * Bertl -b *!*@pD955E5BD.dip.t-dialin.net
1102211394 M * Doener the "soopertrooper*!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net" should be "soopertro*@..."
1102211418 M * Bertl yeah, right ;)
1102211485 M * Bertl but it's simpler to ban the nicks for now ... as I think they are used by some client as defaults ...
1102211513 M * Bertl check LOG_2004-12-02.txt for laberwabe ...
1102211561 F * Bertl -o Bertl
1102211667 M * Doener hm, doesn't Pinky handle the ~ (is that one called tilde?) in front of the usermask or is it my irc client adding it?
1102211701 M * Bertl sec
1102211747 M * Bertl that's your client ...
1102211966 M * Doener i wonder how my clients decides whether to prefix with a ~ or not... but that's way off-topic...
1102212023 M * matti Doener: I don't have "~" ;-) I've ident server running on 212.244.232.40.
1102212059 M * Doener so do i, but how does the client decide if it should display a ~ ?
1102212064 M * Bertl so probably the client does a query ...
1102212112 M * Bertl hmm, or maybe it uses the flags?
1102212135 M * matti IMHO server sends data to IRC client.
1102212139 M * matti Try to use telnet.
1102212463 M * Doener :guest2!~guest@p5487E54C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#abcdefg ... so it's pinky missing the ~ (not that i really care, was more interested in the irc protocol, but too lazy to use telnet...)
1102212506 M * Bertl hmm, okay, maybe I'm stripping that out ... sec
1102212998 M * matti http://www.pastebin.com/126401
1102213243 M * sim0n Bertl: kernel2.6 boots :-), lvm converted, partitions mount ok. just doing a quick e2fsck, then trying out if vserver works ok
1102213327 M * Bertl great!
1102213334 M * matti sim0n: :]
1102213339 M * Bertl Doener: yep, I'm stripping away the ident info ...
1102213451 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.29, devel 1.3.9, 1.9.3 
1102213451 T * Bertl -
1102213480 M * Bertl matti: care to leave just for a second?
1102213488 P * Doener 
1102213488 J * Doener doener@193.24.208.131
1102213500 M * Doener d'oh... 
1102213516 M * Doener doesn't make sense for me to cycle for testing...
1102213577 P * Bertl 
1102213584 J * Bertl herbert@janus.mc.tuwien.ac.at
1102213598 P * matti 8-X
1102213606 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl
1102213615 M * matti :]
1102213619 M * sim0n i'm getting this error when booting... do you have any idea what might cause it? "devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc"
1102213650 M * sim0n this is, since i'm using 2.6 on this server (so it might/should be lvm related too)
1102213667 M * Bertl damn!
1102213671 M * sim0n ?
1102213703 M * Bertl ah, not related ... sorry ...
1102213715 M * sim0n :-)
1102213720 M * matti :]
1102213737 M * matti Hmm...
1102213883 M * sim0n omg...config changed *a lot* :-P
1102214170 M * sim0n is there an example config available somewhere?
1102214192 M * monrad hi i started xchat up without looking at it :)
1102214200 M * Bertl have a look at the alpha util-vserver page (especially for the skeleton stuff)
1102214225 M * Bertl monrad: np ...
1102214264 M * monrad Bertl, i got around the debian package for 0.30.196 by using gentoo as host and debian as guest
1102214382 A * Bertl is a little confused it seems ...
1102214410 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 1.29, devel 1.3.9, 1.9.3 
1102214410 T * Bertl -
1102214422 M * monrad i had a gentoo box with vserver running but i could not get gentoo as a host working
1102214427 M * sim0n i think i'll rather go with the stable tools for now... need to have the vservers up again..
1102214433 M * Bertl matti: any chance you could leave and join without ident?
1102214482 M * Bertl monrad: hmm, why does the 'host' cause issues here?
1102214500 M * Bertl sim0n: that was what I meant with 'testing' ...
1102214563 J * tilde ~tilde@p5487E54C.dip.t-dialin.net
1102214565 M * sim0n Bertl: ok.. i didn't understand it like that... 
1102214574 P * tilde 
1102214576 M * monrad Bertl, i could not find any packages for 0.30.196 for debian and hollow made a ebuild for gentoo and i had that one running
1102214619 M * Bertl tx Doener!
1102214625 M * Doener np
1102214684 M * Bertl monrad: hmm, yeah, maybe you should bug Val a little ... guess he will do debian util-vserver packages too ... if not already done so 
1102214699 M * sim0n Bertl: what was the vroot patch, for, again ?
1102214704 J * matti_ ~test@250.77.classcom.pl
1102214704 M * Bertl sim0n: but the alpha tools should handle the legacy config too ...
1102214707 M * matti_ ;-)
1102214716 M * matti [03:45:04] >> matti_ [~test@250.77.classcom.pl] has joined #vserver
1102214734 M * Bertl thanks!
1102214742 M * matti_ Any time!
1102214745 Q * matti_ Quit: 
1102214750 M * matti ;]
1102214775 M * Bertl sim0n: vroot patch is for secure quota ...
1102214794 M * monrad its not a problem i have a plan to move the debian vserver over to gentoo when it gets a bit more stable
1102214828 M * Bertl gentoo? or linux-vserver, or the vserver? ;)
1102214895 M * monrad to vservers
1102214902 M * monrad gentoo vservers :)
1102214918 M * sim0n Bertl: alpha tools complained about missing config... so i downgraded to stable tools
1102214993 M * sim0n Bertl: vroot: ok, do i need that one for my setup (each vserver on separate part)? if som what does it exactly change/do? 
1102215011 M * Bertl monrad: yeah, got that part, but what was the 'gets a bit more stable' referring to?
1102215062 M * Bertl sim0n: vroot isn't ported to 2.6 yet, and you do not need it unless you use quota inside the vservers (not disk limits)
1102215112 M * monrad well nummer one on my list would be them making a baselayout that worked with vserver out of the box
1102215132 M * Bertl sounds good to me ...
1102215192 M * sim0n Bertl: i use quota inside one vserver..
1102215239 M * Bertl hmm, then you probably should now state an official request to port the vroot ASAP ;)
1102215292 M * matti ;]]]]]]]
1102215307 M * sim0n please BERTL, please port vroot A.S.A.P. to kernelv2.6... ppppppppppppllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeee ?
1102215309 M * sim0n :-)
1102215331 M * Bertl hmm, yeah, I guess I have to do something for you ...
1102215332 M * sim0n Bertl: apart from that, vserver is working great so far, on 2.6
1102215333 M * matti LOL
1102215350 M * sim0n Bertl: i even somehow have the impression overall speed has improved
1102215362 M * sim0n Bertl: THNX A LOT !!!!!! :-)
1102215371 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1102215381 M * matti sim0n: Huh, Bertl is like a Santa Claus :]
1102215390 M * Bertl and you are right, overall speed should be better with 2.6/1.9
1102215427 M * sim0n yeah...but i think even better :-)... and quicker :-P
1102215450 M * matti ;]
1102215458 M * Bertl and don't forget the features!
1102215468 M * sim0n :-)
1102215472 M * matti Haha :D
1102215536 M * Bertl sim0n: I guess you haven't even caught a glimpse of the changes ...
1102215554 M * Bertl the potential waiting to be unleashed ...
1102215621 M * sim0n i know the features.... but you are right, i'm currently not using them (yet)
1102215676 M * sim0n :-)... but as soon as i get the chance to somehow make a new-style config for my vservers, i will use at least some of them
1102215711 M * Bertl what will be the first feature enabled ... hmmm ... virtual uptime maybe? no ... hmm, virtualized load? might be ... maybe something which doesn't require any config change ... ping!
1102215735 M * matti ;]
1102215770 M * sim0n "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted" r u sure? :-)
1102215816 M * sim0n i'm interested in limiting cpu time and ram usage. vroot of course :-)
1102215825 M * sim0n virtualized load... what's that for?
1102215862 M * sim0n load... ok i guess it's then just displaying the load of the specific vserver right?
1102215887 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/vflags-0.01.tar.bz2
1102215894 M * sim0n uptime... hmm don't care. all vservers should be started with the host, so it's the same +/-
1102215906 M * Bertl get that, compile it and you can enable flags and ccaps on a runnign server
1102215999 M * sim0n ok
1102216001 M * Bertl vccaps -x <xid> -S 8
1102216016 M * Bertl should 'enable' ping ...
1102216068 M * sim0n nice... it does
1102216083 M * sim0n you didn't mean this page did you?: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ensc/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1102216085 M * sim0n :-)
1102216112 M * Bertl yep, the flower-page ...
1102216122 M * sim0n :-)
1102216155 M * Bertl it's not only informational, but also educational ...
1102216165 M * matti Bertl: Which version vServer tools are stable or which version should I use?
1102216168 M * sim0n a bit hard to read though
1102216189 M * Bertl that's the educational part ...
1102216198 M * sim0n :-)
1102216211 M * Bertl once you figure how to change the ...
1102216242 M * matti Oh geeezzz...
1102216245 M * matti What a sire :]
1102216250 M * matti s/sire/site
1102216253 M * matti Hahaha :D
1102216262 M * Bertl LOL
1102216288 M * sim0n how nice firefox with some plugins... allows you to disable quite anything "disturbing" :-D
1102216308 M * matti :P
1102216471 M * sim0n bertl i don't get the fstab part... how is a mount supposed to work in a "network context" ?
1102216541 M * Bertl it's for network mounts (typically nfs or smb or whatever)
1102216585 M * sim0n oh ok..
1102216610 M * sim0n do i have to fill the ..../vserver-name/apps dir ?
1102216612 M * Bertl or to be precise, it just relevant for network mounts ...
1102216652 M * Bertl probably not if you do not use the features ...
1102216670 M * sim0n ok
1102216674 M * Bertl as I said, the simplest start is to use the --skeleton method to create a basic config
1102216699 M * sim0n oops missed that one
1102216763 M * sim0n if i started a vserver with the stable tools...may i install the alpha ones and use them to deal with it ? or do i have to stop and later start the vserver again ?
1102216798 M * Bertl you should stop it, then upgrade the tools, then start it again ...
1102216822 M * Bertl the tools should handle the legacy config with a simple comment (stating that they are legacy)
1102216897 M * Bertl you should make sure to run the vprocunhide script ...
1102216922 Q * Shotygun Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102216929 M * Bertl legacy startup looks like this:
1102216930 M * Bertl # vserver XXXX start
1102216930 M * Bertl WARNING: can not find configuration, assuming legacy method
1102216930 M * Bertl Starting the virtual server XXXX
1102216947 M * Bertl .. and the default bla bla ...
1102217158 M * sim0n when i tried it before... it said something like "could no find config..aborting"
1102217295 M * sim0n how should i use "--skeleton" is it a param for the vserver command ? 
1102217322 M * monrad when i try to install ssmtp on debian inside a vserver then i get:
1102217324 M * monrad hostname: Unknown host
1102217324 M * monrad dpkg: error processing ssmtp (--configure):
1102217324 M * monrad  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
1102217333 M * Bertl for example:
1102217359 M * Bertl sim0n: vserver XXXX build -m skeleton --hostname XXXX --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.0.2/24 --context 1001 --force -- -d bertl
1102217398 M * Bertl monrad: maybe the package needs a hostname?
1102217415 J * Shotygun shotgun@shotygun.com
1102217418 M * monrad hostname gives me debian-template
1102217671 M * Bertl wb Shotygun!
1102217690 M * sim0n Bertl: chcontext: vc_new_s_context(): Operation not permitted ?
1102217691 M * Bertl monrad: hmm ... that happens from inside, right?
1102217697 M * monrad yes
1102217715 M * Bertl sim0n: do you have 'lock' or 'private' as flags?
1102217749 M * sim0n still using the old config ...
1102217767 M * Bertl monrad: well, no idea then, probably a debian issue ...
1102217779 M * Bertl sim0n: yeah, in your legacy config I mean ...
1102217805 M * monrad hmm it works fine on my old vserver box
1102217834 M * sim0n Bertl: lock
1102217861 M * Bertl monrad: then do an strace (or whatever debug) of both and let's compare them ...
1102217869 M * Bertl sim0n: please remove it ...
1102217882 M * sim0n Bertl: remove or replace with private?
1102217890 M * Bertl nope, just remove it ...
1102217900 Q * Shotygun Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102217907 M * Bertl Doener: any idea how this can kick in?
1102217970 M * sim0n Bertl: uhm do you have an idea how i can stop this vserver now? i remove the param, but get that error whatever i want to do...
1102218046 M * Bertl try vkill ...
1102218093 M * sim0n did it... thnx
1102218116 M * sim0n but still get the error when i want to enter it...
1102218120 M * sim0n :-/
1102218145 M * Bertl you might have to remove the runtime info in /var/run/vserver or wherever it is ...
1102218157 M * Bertl then restart the vserver properly ...
1102218243 M * sim0n (my other flags are sched and fakeinit...)
1102218277 M * sim0n starting works fine...but entering still gives the same error 
1102218311 M * Bertl okay, sec ...
1102218355 M * Bertl yeah, you are right .. I can reproduce it here ...
1102218367 M * Bertl give me a minute to check that ...
1102218411 M * sim0n yup np
1102218484 M * Bertl ou got the same message on startup with the 'lock' flag right?
1102218627 M * sim0n not on startup... but with everything else, yes
1102218642 M * sim0n startup always worked fine. it's just the enter/stop
1102218676 M * Bertl but with the stable tools it works/worked as expected, right?
1102218691 M * sim0n yup
1102218726 M * Bertl Doener: that was the issue you hunted down, right? the first syscall which is ignored or so?
1102218841 M * monrad nullmailer works so i use that instead
1102219156 M * id_ good night....
1102219181 M * sim0n gn8
1102219231 M * Bertl night id_!
1102219287 M * Bertl sim0n: guess in a moment we should know what happens, unfortunately Doener has fallen asleep (assumption;)
1102219362 M * sim0n ok
1102219399 M * Bertl it's definitely an issue with the new tool, not being completely legacy compatible ...
1102219439 M * sim0n k
1102219461 M * sim0n hmmm guess i stay with the old tools then for now...and upgrade as soon as i have more time to look into that
1102219530 M * sim0n is it possible that you mail me a sample config folder for the new tools plz? the command you mentioned above doesn't work for me, for whatever reason (host=gentoo)
1102219561 M * Bertl what does it say?
1102219616 M * sim0n something like vserver-build not found at <path>...allthough it's there...
1102219670 M * Bertl interesting ... well, I can tar you a config, but it will be different from your layout ...
1102219682 M * Bertl (because there are many symlinks)
1102219689 M * sim0n that would be nice
1102219735 M * sim0n np... it's just for having a look at
1102219739 M * sim0n thnx a lot
1102219826 M * sim0n please mail to georges@norm.lu thnx
1102220086 M * sim0n i need some sleep now... gn8 all, and thnx Bertl for your help!
1102220160 A * sim0n is away: zzzzz
1102220161 M * Bertl sim0n: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/VARIOUS/vserver_conf.tar.bz2
1102220174 M * sim0n thnx Bertl !
1102220177 M * sim0n n8
1102220189 N * sim0n sim0n_zzz
1102220428 M * matti Huh, good night all ;-)
1102220443 M * Bertl hmm, you are going to bed?
1102220559 M * matti Yes.
1102220570 M * Bertl then have a good night!
1102220572 M * matti I don't sleep for about 72 h.
1102220577 M * matti Thanks :-)
1102220629 M * matti My localtime is 05:23:15 (GMT +1).
1102220672 M * Bertl mine to ;)
1102220684 M * matti ;-)
1102220704 M * matti You're always welcome in Poland ;-)
1102220720 M * Bertl good to know ...
1102220772 M * matti ;-)
1102224205 M * Bertl night everyone, have a good whatever ... cya tomorrow ...
1102224221 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1102227240 Q * sannes Read error: Connection reset by peer
1102231298 Q * GhostXz Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102234206 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no
1102235931 Q * id_ Quit: Verlassend
1102242425 J * Hollow ~bene@home.xnull.de
1102242910 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102245030 M * daniel_hozac why does vserver ... exec require the vserver to be running?
1102245326 Q * sim0n_zzz Quit: Client exiting
1102247437 J * Hollow ~bene@home.xnull.de
1102247920 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102248020 J * albeiro albeiro@linux.gentoo.pl
1102249666 M * Doener Bertl_zZ: http://doener.homeip.net/doener/vserver/evil-Zoiah-fix.diff -- my quick'n'dirty(?) fix for the vc_new_s_context EPERM issue...
1102249910 Q * sannes Read error: Connection reset by peer
1102250364 M * Zoiah :)
1102254830 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102254898 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@mutator.sot.com
1102256877 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no
1102257517 Q * daniel_hozac electron.oftc.net orion.oftc.net
1102257517 Q * sannes Read error: Connection reset by peer
1102257556 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@h212n1fls33o829.telia.com
1102258317 M * eyck_ wassup!
1102258367 N * eyck_ Eyck
1102259110 J * Semtex Semtex@EOSPART2.RES.cmu.edu
1102259164 M * Semtex Can someone help me with a debootstrap problem?  I get to the point where it says Base system installed successfully, then I get three errors about unmounting things that aren't mounted then it says debootstrap failed
1102259305 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving
1102259353 Q * Doener Quit: changing servers
1102259433 P * Semtex 
1102259992 J * Doener doener@193.24.208.131
1102260010 M * Eyck Semtex: and then..?
1102260230 Q * v00dY Quit: Serverwechsel
1102260294 J * v00dY v00dy@62.241.52.143
1102261017 Q * v00dY Quit: Serverwechsel
1102261066 J * v00dY ~v00dy@62.241.52.143
1102261572 Q * v00dY Quit: Serverwechsel
1102261605 J * v00dY v00dy@62.241.52.143
1102264575 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no
1102266110 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com
1102266849 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1102266856 M * Bertl evening folks!
1102266869 M * Bertl short visit, back after dinner ...
1102267057 A * matti just wake up ;]
1102267057 M * matti Hello Bertl ;]
1102267077 M * Bertl hey matti, as said, back later ...
1102267083 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1102267118 M * matti ;]
1102267330 Q * jsambrook Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102268392 J * Hollow ~bene@home.xnull.de
1102268423 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1102268437 M * Hollow hey Bertl
1102268453 M * Hollow machine is not up again, but i tried to patch iptables, no luck...
1102268576 M * Hollow zeus iptables-1.2.9 # bzcat iptables-1.2.9-vnet.patch.bz2 | patch -p1 -s
1102268576 M * Hollow 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file extensions/Makefile.rej
1102268596 M * Bertl hmm ... interesting ...
1102268611 M * Hollow so i fixed the makefile by hand..
1102268621 M * Bertl what was the difference?
1102268648 M * Bertl I have to admit I simply used the mandrake rpm (which includes some patches)
1102268676 M * Hollow some PF_EXT_SLIB entries are not there
1102268692 M * Hollow so i added vnet and VNET by hand
1102268702 M * Hollow next error is:
1102268704 M * Hollow zeus iptables-1.2.9 # make
1102268704 M * Hollow Making dependencies: please wait...
1102268704 M * Hollow Something wrong... deleting dependencies.
1102268704 M * Hollow make: *** [linux/netfilter_ipv4/ipt_VNET.h] Error 1
1102268708 M * Bertl okay, will update the patch for vanilla iptables ...
1102269054 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/iptables-1.2.9-vnet.diff
1102269183 M * Bertl hmm, no same error ... strange ... sec, investigating
1102269375 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102269577 J * oliwel ~oliwel@ppp-82-135-0-89.mnet-online.de
1102269579 M * Bertl ah, okay, vanilla iptables does not know about 2.4/2.6 duality
1102269585 M * Bertl welcome oliwel!
1102269596 A * oliwel waves a friendly hello to the crowd
1102269639 M * oliwel Hi Bertl, are you online ?
1102269671 M * Bertl yes I am *G*
1102269687 M * oliwel *g* - dont like talking to bots :)
1102269704 M * oliwel is german talking allowed ? Seeme we are alone here 
1102269723 M * Bertl channel is english only (we are logged ;)
1102269758 M * Eyck you are not alone.
1102269780 M * Bertl hey Eyck!
1102269807 M * Bertl oliwel: you are here because you are eager to test the ngnet stuff, right?
1102269877 M * oliwel okok so I continue english :)
1102269891 M * Eyck hey Bertl!
1102269901 M * oliwel Bertl: no not realyy - I found the announcement taht you are here and as nobody answered to my Suse related post the ast week
1102269905 M * oliwel I woud try here...
1102269939 M * Bertl well, I can try, right? ;)
1102270028 M * Bertl so what are your suse? issues?
1102270163 M * oliwel THX
1102270191 M * oliwel So I have a Suse 9.2 Host with a .2.6.9 vanilla and latest alpha tools
1102270240 M * oliwel I tried RH Guest Image from the lycos page and it works fine, I managed Suse with fakeinit to fire up properly but cannot shutdown the server
1102270278 M * Bertl hmm, yeah, suse is somewhat problematic ... don't know why ...
1102270289 M * Bertl but you can easily investigate this ....
1102270292 J * Hollow ~bene@home.xnull.de
1102270324 M * oliwel it seems that the init scripts are properly called but I get an message "v_ctx_kill () no such process"
1102270348 M * oliwel @Hollow: THX for the cool Gentoo howto - got my vservre up and running in a day :)
1102270365 M * oliwel @Bertl: How can I investigate
1102270407 M * Hollow oliwel: you're welcome :)
1102270429 M * Hollow there will be some more guides soon
1102270445 M * Bertl oliwel: first, start the context, then check if there are any processes in that context with vps (not by entering the vserver)
1102270453 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102270466 M * Bertl if there are, try to stop the vserver and check again ...
1102270479 M * oliwel Bertl: yes there are - I tried a minina, setup with a sshd running
1102270519 M * oliwel vserver start suse  does what I expect, I can even login the server va ssh or enter it via context changing from the root
1102270559 M * oliwel if I terminate the sshd process inside the server and than exit the context the server has gone and can be restartet
1102270576 M * Bertl okay, so then do the vps and record running processes ...
1102270577 M * oliwel I send a brief desciption to the list on friday
1102270594 M * oliwel vps shows the sshd running in the context
1102270613 M * Bertl as only process, right?
1102270617 M * oliwel yes
1102270641 M * Bertl okay, that sounds fine ...
1102270655 M * Bertl now do the following: 
1102270669 M * Bertl vserver --debug <yourname> stop
1102270681 M * Bertl and upload the output somewhere (patebin.net)
1102270716 M * Bertl (pastebin.com that should be)
1102270779 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@mutator.sot.com
1102270939 M * oliwel ok here it goes http://www.ldv.ei.tum.de/media/files/homes/oliwel/debug
1102271155 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102271162 M * Bertl welcome virtuoso!
1102271306 M * Bertl oliwel: hmm, why do you specify fakeinit?
1102271337 M * oliwel without fakeinit the scripts wasnt started at all
1102271339 M * Bertl and why is the interface named eth0:gentoo?
1102271378 M * oliwel I copied some setup info from the gentoo howto without thinking about the names...
1102271400 M * oliwel call it a copy and paste relict 
1102271407 M * Bertl okay, first, let's use a static context id to make the testing easier ...
1102271437 M * oliwel sure - what should I do
1102271495 M * Bertl /usr/local/etc/vservers/suse/context
1102271512 M * Bertl choose a number between 10 and 10000 and add it there
1102271519 M * oliwel one additional info : if I try to kill the ssh process from outside with vkill it will not work...I think the problem is here somewhere
1102271527 M * Bertl (the number should be unique for your vservers)
1102271563 M * oliwel ok did so
1102271583 M * Bertl okay, the 'fakeinit' is used to start an init process inside the vserver
1102271607 M * oliwel yes I know this...as I use the suse original scripts it didnt work without
1102271609 M * Bertl now, you are not starting any init, instead you are starting the runlevel scripts it seems
1102271615 M * oliwel hmmmm
1102271640 M * Bertl well, I prefer using the runlevel scripts ... but they probably should not run as init ...
1102271667 M * oliwel me too but I did not know much about inir processes :(
1102271687 M * Bertl okay, let's try to get rid of the fakeinit first
1102271689 M * oliwel BTW: The last run was with RH scripts, not the suse ones, if this is important....
1102271702 M * oliwel ok I kicked fakeinit from the flags
1102271903 M * oliwel so as expected - "vserver suse start" will not do anything
1102271925 M * Bertl stop it again and do the start with --debug and upload the output please
1102271937 M * oliwel ok 
1102272089 M * oliwel same URL as above
1102272114 M * Bertl tx
1102272141 J * Hollow ~bene@home.xnull.de
1102272165 M * Bertl wb Hollow!
1102272179 M * Hollow hey bertl... these disconnects are horrible
1102272216 M * Bertl well, talk to your provider ...
1102272225 M * Hollow freenode works perfectly
1102272255 M * Bertl and oftc works fine for me ...
1102272267 M * Hollow strange
1102272343 M * oliwel @Hollow - where are you from ? Probably this is the good ol netsplit phenomenon
1102272352 M * Hollow munich
1102272358 M * oliwel ok :)
1102272361 M * oliwel me too :P
1102272371 M * Hollow ha, met :P
1102272372 M * Hollow mnet
1102272374 A * Hollow too
1102272377 M * oliwel Good hint - www.mnet.de
1102272381 M * oliwel a I see :=)
1102272390 M * Hollow i have always-on/fixed-ip
1102272396 M * oliwel Are you a university guy ?
1102272405 M * Hollow and.. as you can see, even with reverse dns ;)
1102272409 M * Hollow no
1102272418 M * Hollow pupil
1102272524 M * oliwel I am only on ADSL, dyn IP is sometime a good thing :)
1102272546 M * oliwel If I need a fixed one I use one of my servers :P
1102272628 M * Bertl oliwel: you vserver is now stopped, right?
1102272664 M * oliwel yes it is stopped and the start command did bring it up
1102272680 M * Bertl hum?
1102272711 M * Bertl thought it didn't work?
1102272720 M * oliwel nope
1102272742 M * Bertl so it did startup without initpid as expected?
1102272749 M * Bertl s/initpid/fakeinit/
1102272757 M * oliwel @Hollow: nice pictures on your page - even a nice girl :)
1102272772 M * Hollow url?
1102272773 M * Hollow ;)
1102272774 M * oliwel Bertl: Nothing happend
1102272783 M * oliwel http://home.xnull.de/work/geek-is-sexy.de/
1102272796 M * Hollow heh...
1102272802 M * Hollow this is my local work dir :P
1102272807 M * oliwel very phony server....
1102272814 M * Hollow you can find it on www.geek-is-sexy.de too
1102272816 M * Bertl so you actually meant: ... and the start command did _not_ bring it up ...
1102272853 M * oliwel exactly Bertl, if I execute the start command withput the debug option I just get back my prompt after a twinkle
1102272866 M * oliwel no process is started at all
1102272876 M * Bertl okay, stop it again and do the following:
1102272885 M * oliwel there is nothing to stop.....
1102272898 M * Bertl nevertheless please execute vserver suse stop
1102272914 M * oliwel vserver 'suse' is not running
1102272921 M * Bertl that's fine ...
1102272928 M * Bertl ip addr ls | grep 10.10.0.100
1102272930 M * oliwel ok  - go on
1102272952 M * oliwel is down - no output
1102272987 M * Bertl ip addr ls | grep gentoo
1102273024 M * oliwel nothing - ip addr ls shows only my primary interface and the loopbacks
1102273050 M * Bertl okay, let's do the vserver --debug suse start again and upload the output ...
1102273099 M * oliwel ok - uploaded
1102273257 M * Bertl --flag fakeinit
1102273264 M * Bertl you are sure you removed that?
1102273268 M * oliwel yes
1102273287 M * oliwel I removed it from the file "flags" - must I do something else ?
1102273330 M * Bertl sec
1102273423 M * Bertl if you enter the vserver context with 'vserver suse enter' does that work?
1102273461 M * oliwel 'vserver ... suexec' is support for running vservers only; aborting...
1102273477 M * Bertl okay, then do the following:
1102273479 M * oliwel there are no process running 
1102273520 M * Bertl cd into the vservers '/' dir
1102273526 M * oliwel ok
1102273539 M * Bertl and execute: chroot . /etc/rc.d/rc 3
1102273582 M * oliwel nothing happens
1102273598 M * Bertl see that is what happens when the vserver calls the 'suse' runlevel scripts
1102273618 M * oliwel yes I know this :)
1102273624 M * Bertl now please upload the /path/to/vserver/etc/rc.d/rc
1102273643 M * Bertl so that we can have a look at the rc script ...
1102273672 M * oliwel ok - on the server - rc instead debug
1102273739 M * oliwel this is the suse 9.2 default script
1102273774 M * Bertl okay, please change the first line from
1102273788 M * Bertl #! /bin/bash to #!/bin/bash -x
1102273816 M * Bertl then try 'vserver suse stop'
1102273819 M * oliwel ok
1102273821 M * oliwel mom
1102273825 M * Bertl and 'vserver suse start'
1102273834 M * oliwel first start ? 
1102273838 M * oliwel or first stop ?
1102273843 M * Bertl without --debug, and please upload the output to a new file
1102273846 M * Bertl first stop
1102273925 M * oliwel stop does not produce any output
1102273931 M * oliwel onyl "not running"
1102273941 M * oliwel + trap echo SIGINT SIGSEGV SIGQUIT
1102273942 M * oliwel + trap 'test "$RUNLEVEL" = "1" && exit 0' SIGTERM
1102273944 M * oliwel + set +e
1102273945 M * oliwel + test '' = ''
1102273947 M * oliwel + exit 0
1102273952 M * oliwel is the output of start
1102273986 M * Bertl okay, so it assumes a $RUNLEVEL
1102273986 Q * sannes Read error: Connection reset by peer
1102274021 M * Bertl just for a test, let's add the following line after the first comment block
1102274030 M * Bertl before the first trap command
1102274048 M * Bertl RUNLEVEL="$1"
1102274054 M * oliwel ok
1102274068 M * Bertl once that works, we can do it from the vserver script
1102274089 M * oliwel do you really meand $1
1102274097 M * Bertl yep
1102274117 M * oliwel ahh now a start looks better :)
1102274125 M * oliwel and the ssh is running :)
1102274161 M * Bertl ;)
1102274166 M * oliwel looks like now the runlevel 3 is corectly fired up
1102274172 M * oliwel you made my day :)
1102274178 M * oliwel now lets see if it stops....
1102274183 M * Bertl yep
1102274202 M * oliwel does - but :
1102274211 M * oliwel stty: standard input: Inappropriate ioctl for device
1102274252 M * Bertl yep, the rc script is trying to figure the console size ...
1102274290 M * Bertl let's try to add
1102274296 M * Bertl CONSOLE=/dev/null
1102274304 M * Bertl right below the RUNLEVEL="$1"
1102274353 M * oliwel doenst work - probem remains
1102274382 M * oliwel doesnt work - problem remains....sitting on the couch is errorprone when typing :)
1102274422 M * oliwel ok I will kick out the CONSOLE stuff - think I dont need this
1102274429 M * Bertl yep
1102274454 M * oliwel seems that thisproblem has gone . thx :)
1102274463 M * oliwel Can I ask a secind question :)
1102274499 M * Bertl sure
1102274510 M * Bertl the second question is free ;)
1102274520 M * oliwel oh great :)
1102274525 M * oliwel I pay with visa *g*
1102274548 M * oliwel Whats about rebooting inside the vServers
1102274552 M * oliwel I read about vreboot 
1102274557 M * Bertl works with the vshelper
1102274621 M * oliwel what must I setup ? I have the vshelper line in the sysctl.conf - 
1102274634 M * oliwel when I type "vreboot" inside the server I get
1102274643 M * Bertl forget vreboot ...
1102274644 M * oliwel connect /dev/reboot (Connection refused)
1102274650 M * Bertl you do reboot -f
1102274652 M * oliwel ok - what else ?
1102274654 M * oliwel ok
1102274678 M * Bertl don't do that on the host ...
1102274723 M * oliwel why :)
1102274747 M * oliwel nothing happens 
1102274841 M * Bertl check the dmesg/kernel log
1102274842 M * oliwel stop -. correction: the ssh daemion is stopped, one bash remains (my current login)
1102274875 M * Bertl try the reboot from an ssh logon ..
1102274885 M * Bertl (to the vserver)
1102274894 M * oliwel ok mom
1102274961 M * oliwel same
1102274971 M * oliwel the current shell remains, the sshd dies
1102274983 M * Bertl okay, check the logs on the host
1102275074 M * oliwel  the kernel log is empty
1102275082 M * oliwel but my ssh shell died 
1102275098 M * Bertl well, that sounds good ...
1102275114 M * oliwel but vps ax shows that the ssh bash is still running :(
1102275123 M * oliwel oh really ....youre kidding
1102275264 M * Bertl you are running 1.9.3, did you enable the VSERVER_DEBUG ?
1102275274 M * oliwel uhm - I think not
1102275291 M * oliwel no 
1102275295 M * Bertl okay, does the syslog on the host report anything?
1102275297 M * oliwel # CONFIG_VSERVER_DEBUG is not set
1102275585 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102275615 M * oliwel no I dont have anything in the kernel log
1102275644 M * Bertl okay, then the next step is to enable the debugging
1102275696 M * oliwel so I must recompile the kernel
1102275726 M * oliwel ?
1102275742 M * Bertl yep, I guess so ...
1102275752 M * Bertl of course you can also add some debug statements
1102275757 M * oliwel so lets pray - the maschine is in my office....
1102275760 M * Bertl to the vshelper and the vserver script
1102275765 M * oliwel ok If you tell me where....
1102275800 M * oliwel as the maschine is not very fast recompiling will take a while and remote reboot is a little bit critical always...
1102275955 M * oliwel knockknock 
1102275997 M * Bertl who is there?
1102276008 M * oliwel :)
1102276029 M * oliwel Where should I add the debug statement - how can I debug the reboot ?
1102276034 M * Bertl check where your vshelper script is and add a 'logger' message
1102276088 M * oliwel ok I have the script
1102276129 M * oliwel what is called on reboot ? the "restart" section
1102276209 M * Bertl add a line like this:
1102276216 M * Bertl logger -p local3.info "vshelper called ..."
1102276226 M * Bertl at the very start of the script ...
1102276240 M * Bertl and redirect your syslog local3.info soemwhere
1102276247 M * oliwel mom - on the phone
1102276256 M * Bertl also check if your syslog captures the logger output
1102276567 M * oliwel huuu - so many wisehs....
1102276811 M * oliwel ok I added the line and it appears in the logfile
1102276826 M * Bertl okay, so teh vshelper is called then, right?
1102276892 M * oliwel seems to be
1102276957 M * Bertl okay, so add further log messages to vserver and parts of vshelper
1102277109 M * oliwel can you tell me with what command the scripts are called by the reoot ?
1102277221 M * Bertl depends on what command you execute inside (i.e. halt/reboot) and what kernel function that calls in turn
1102277256 M * Bertl but vshelper gets that as arguments, so just log "$@"
1102277274 M * oliwel ok I will try - thx a lot 
1102277280 M * Bertl you're welcome ...
1102277296 M * oliwel if you are interessted I can provide a suse guest image if I have everything running
1102277326 M * Bertl sure, we will find a place to upload it ... once it is done ...
1102277329 J * DuckMaster ~Duck@dyn-83-155-40-68.ppp.tiscali.fr
1102277335 M * Bertl welcome DuckMaster!
1102277770 Q * DuckKing Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102277805 M * oliwel Bertl, I wil leave - must prepare my lesson tommorow and deug the reboot problwm this week - thx a lot
1102277821 M * Bertl okay, cya
1102277827 Q * oliwel Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.3/20040913]
1102278099 J * vdb ~vdb@D5776DCA.kabel.telenet.be
1102278117 M * Bertl welcome vdb!
1102278131 M * vdb Hello Bertl
1102279092 M * vdb Berl, I did take a quick look at http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/
1102279099 M * Bertl yeah?
1102279149 M * vdb let's say, I did brows the files, but I did'n install it yet :-)
1102279170 M * Bertl I have an update here ... if you want to test?
1102279201 M * vdb I havent' got time today, but I would like to test it later this week.
1102279217 M * Bertl okay, just let me know ...
1102279508 J * Hollow ~bene@home.xnull.de
1102279670 M * Bertl wb Hollow!
1102279814 M * Hollow Bertl: iptables patchready?
1102279852 M * Bertl yep, sec
1102280096 M * Bertl please reload the iptables-1.2.9-vnet.diff from the NGNET dir
1102280413 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102280415 M * Doener hmm... maybe i should have a look at the freevps code...
1102280443 M * Bertl please do so ... 
1102281119 M * Bertl Doener: but please do not waste _any_ time on proving anything ...
1102281156 M * Doener i'm more interested in 'how much of a pain in the arse is it really to read the code' ;)
1102281161 J * sannes ~ace@home.skarby.no
1102281180 M * Bertl welcome sannes!
1102281444 M * Doener ok, it's enough of a pita to avoid reading it...
1102281451 M * Bertl heh ;)
1102281464 M * mugwump he did have the idea for namespaces though
1102281494 M * Doener you're talking about clean mount namespaces?
1102281531 M * Doener linus was the first one i know to come up with that idea... (in the way i did it in my hacked tools)
1102281534 M * Bertl mugwump: namespaces where discussed (IIRC between myself, jack and alexey) when chroot issues came up
1102281580 M * Bertl alexey was the first to use them in his patches 
1102281606 M * Bertl but IIRC he created them on context creation from scratch
1102281632 M * mugwump no, I'm just referring to http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg04570.html
1102281756 M * mugwump His post reminded me of http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg08316.html
1102281766 M * Doener ok, i didn't use that approach... http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg04596.html
1102281817 M * Bertl mugwump: huh?
1102281843 M * mugwump or, rather, your reply - that solutions to solve the same problem will often look similar
1102281891 M * Bertl well, yes, that's a known fact, but I can not say if that applies to the FreeVPS networking code too ...
1102282254 M * Bertl mugwump: btw are you sure that the Token Bucket wasn't developed by Alexey (bad joke, I know ;)
1102282293 M * mugwump heh.  Actually I did look at the solution in his code.
1102282349 M * mugwump I decided that his approach just didn't grok the O(1) scheduler
1102282379 M * Doener O(1) sched on 2.4? *g*
1102282397 M * Bertl ah, right, is FreeVPS 2.6 yet?
1102282444 M * Doener or did rh backport the scheduler as well?
1102282511 M * Doener freevps is rh 7.3 and EL only, so it's kinda 2.4-pre2.6-mixed or something
1102282668 M * mugwump "We've bastardised the linux kernel so that we can claim it to be 2.4-based or 2.6-based depending on the needs of marketing at the time"
1102282712 J * Hollow ~bene@home.xnull.de
1102282720 M * Hollow sigh, what's going on with my connection to oftc
1102282772 M * Bertl maybe you should choose a different server .. just for a test
1102282790 M * Hollow i jus tsearched the oftc page, could not find a list of servers
1102282836 M * Bertl 62.116.124.106, 161.53.160.99, 217.204.76.170
1102282853 M * Hollow i'm using the 106 one
1102282861 M * Hollow so.. i'll try another
1102282876 Q * Hollow Quit: 
1102282879 M * Bertl you do use adsl, right?
1102282886 M * Bertl (too late ;)
1102282888 J * Hollow ~bene@home.xnull.de
1102282894 M * Hollow so.. we'll see ;)
1102282896 M * Bertl you do use adsl, right?
1102282906 M * Hollow yep, but always-on/fixed-ip
1102282936 M * Bertl hmm, okay, because usually those disconnects as you get them are because the irc pingping is not replied ...
1102282949 M * Bertl (i.e. can not be delivered)
1102282966 M * Hollow every irc server sneds this pings?
1102282980 M * Bertl AFAIK yes ...
1102283122 M * Hollow freenode is working
1102283153 M * Bertl fine, we are not starting the freenode vs oftc discussion again. period.
1102283174 M * Hollow i dunno this discussion, and i donÄt care anyway
1102283180 M * Bertl good!
1102283198 M * Hollow i'm keeping far away from those discussions, they only waste time
1102283328 M * Hollow Bertl: did a iptables 1.2.11 diff, you want it?
1102283657 M * Bertl sure
1102283684 M * Bertl Doener, mugwump: I need some help with a debug output I don't understand ...
1102283694 M * Doener let's hear
1102283707 M * Bertl let me upload the current ngnet patch ...
1102283713 A * Doener wonders if this is really happening ;)
1102283729 M * mugwump debug output from what?
1102283762 M * Bertl from my code with 2 printk's
1102283808 M * mugwump nopaste it, let's have a look
1102283813 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1102283931 M * Bertl I do both ... uploaded at http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/patch-2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.9-ng6.diff
1102283948 M * Bertl net/ipv4/fib_semantics_ngnet.c
1102283960 M * Bertl         printk("fib_find_info(%p,#%d)\n", nfi, (int)nfi->fib_nfxid);
1102283981 M * Bertl and in a different place:
1102283982 M * Bertl         printk("fib_create_info() set %p,#%d\n", fi, nfxid);
1102283982 M * Bertl         fi->fib_nfxid = nfxid;
1102283999 M * Bertl the (int) was added but didn't change anything ...
1102284015 M * Bertl the confusing output looks like this:
1102284024 M * mugwump I'm not familiar with the network stack ... it may take me some time to grok it, but I'll set up a ngn compile tree and take a look
1102284030 M * Bertl fib_create_info() set 810ff040,#0
1102284031 M * Bertl fib_find_info(810ff040,#13152)
1102284031 M * Bertl fib_create_info() set 810ffc40,#0
1102284031 M * Bertl fib_find_info(810ffc40,#13152)
1102284085 M * Bertl and I just don't get it where the values change or why they differ ...
1102284492 M * Doener doener@doener ~/kernel/linux-2.6.10-rc3 $ patch -p1 < ../patch-2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.9-ng6.diff 
1102284492 M * Doener can't find file to patch at input line 4
1102284494 M * Doener hu
1102284495 M * Doener ?
1102284516 M * Bertl you need the vs1.9.3.9 patch first
1102284606 M * Doener we should go back to delta-xxx ;)
1102284686 M * Bertl okay, noted ;)
1102284732 A * Doener hopes that Bertl has a better management of notes then him...
1102284774 M * Doener when i note something that normally means that i don't care to memorize it, cause i have a note... which i find a year later or so ;)
1102284940 M * Bertl what about the following naming scheme:
1102284970 M * Bertl patch-... everything ontop of the first named
1102285001 M * Bertl diff-... just the last ontop of all the others
1102285024 M * Bertl delta-... changes between the two mentioned
1102285051 M * Bertl what do you think?
1102285096 M * Doener sounds good... guess we need to use it some time to find out more 
1102285105 M * Bertl (btw, the name for the second one is up for discussion ;)
1102285132 M * Doener i can't come up with anything better, so it's ok for me
1102285146 M * Bertl mugwump: your opinion?
1102285365 Q * tchan Quit: leaving
1102285618 M * mugwump sorry, meeting
1102285632 M * Bertl np
1102285644 M * mugwump about the names?
1102285693 M * mugwump What about a + in the name
1102285704 M * mugwump patch-2.6.10-rc3+vs1.9.3.9-ng6.diff
1102285721 M * mugwump the "patch" is always where you start for a particular feature
1102285763 M * Doener Bertl: what's the difference between ip_fib.h and ip_fib_ngnet.h for example? 
1102285764 M * Bertl hmm, had that for the quota stuff ...
1102285774 M * Doener i mean, what's the suffix all about?
1102285795 M * Bertl ngnet stuff is included when CONFIG_VSERVER_NGNET is enabled
1102285803 M * Bertl (included/compiled)
1102285871 M * Doener hm, you got nfxid in ip_fib.h, but fib_xid in ip_fib_ngnet.h ... so according to your explanation it shouldn't even compile, right?
1102285871 M * Bertl maybe I should add an additional check for the include file
1102285904 M * Bertl okay, let me clean that up now ...
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1102286056 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@mutator.sot.com
1102286214 Q * vdb Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10
1102286442 J * tchan ~tchan@c-24-13-81-164.client.comcast.net
1102287067 M * Bertl Doener: okay cleaned up that mess ... new patch at: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/diff-2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.9-ng6.1.diff
1102287077 M * Bertl didn't change anything ... in this regard
1102287328 M * Doener are there also __vx_fib_get_table debug messages around?
1102287346 M * Bertl I can enable them, yes ...
1102287379 M * Doener i meant if they show up... if not i can forget about the track i'm currently on
1102287395 M * Bertl vxD: __vx_fib_get_table(255,#0) = 810ffe80
1102287395 M * Bertl fib_create_info() set 810ff040,#0
1102287395 M * Bertl fib_find_info(810ff040,#13152)
1102287395 M * Bertl vxD: fib_netdev_event() dev=802f3360[#0,lo], xid=0
1102287407 M * Bertl with full vserver debugging ...
1102287500 M * Bertl it has to be something trivial ...
1102288179 M * Doener although the order of the messages doesn't match the way i went through the code, maybe it's in fib_check_nh
1102288202 M * Doener you don't assign the nfxid to the struct flowi fl...
1102288298 M * Bertl hmm ...
1102288353 M * Doener doesn't make too much sense afaict, but i just don't see anything else ;)
1102288362 M * Bertl okay, let me check that ...
1102288458 M * Bertl fib_create_info() set 810ffd00,#0, size=100
1102288458 M * Bertl fib_find_info(810ffd00,#13152)
1102288471 M * Bertl so no change ther (I'm using -2 in that flowi)
1102288482 M * Bertl but that leads to interesting kernel dumps ;)
1102288578 M * Bertl which actually discovered a new bug ;)
1102289376 M * Bertl okay, new bug removed ...
1102289654 M * Bertl uploaded new version, the nfxid issue still remains ...
1102289788 M * Doener hm, got a wrong timezone set on the server? or is it intentional?
1102289803 M * Doener diff-2.6.10-rc3-vs1.9.3.9-ng6.2.diff    05-Dec-2004 17:34
1102289828 M * Bertl server is in a different timezone ...
1102289836 M * Doener ah ok
1102289901 M * Bertl but if it helps locating the issue, a change can be arranged ;)
1102289907 M * Doener Hunk #2 FAILED at 45.
1102289907 M * Doener Hunk #3 succeeded at 176 (offset -7 lines).
1102289907 M * Doener 1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file kernel/vserver/switch.c.rej
1102289932 M * Bertl hum sec
1102290019 M * Bertl patches fine here ...
1102290055 M * Doener it includes reversal of the legacy fix (which i didn't apply as the name doesn't tell me to ;)
1102290071 M * Bertl oops sorry ...
1102290077 M * Doener "patch -p1; patch -p1 -R; patch -p1" does the trick *g*
1102290109 M * Bertl must have already added that to the main branch ... without updating the numbers
1102290128 M * Doener np
1102290181 M * Bertl hmm, check if you created a patch in your kerneltree now ...
1102290199 M * Bertl because I think that was the primary error on my side ...
1102290250 M * Doener the second run (with -R) is like adding the legacy fix (since the actual patch reverts it), so the third one succeeds
1102290275 M * Bertl okay, I ahve to clean my branches, no idea how the patch got into the kernel tree
1102290380 M * Doener hu? it actually created a delta... what's that, magic?
1102290436 M * Doener ah, no, it's just a file i put in the wrong place...
1102290455 M * Bertl probably not you ...
1102290477 M * Bertl from time to time it 'happens' that patches 'appear' inside my kernel trees
1102290504 M * Bertl haven't figured yet how that happens, it's definitely an user fault ...
1102290548 M * Bertl and when that happens, some patches generate new patches ;)
1102290774 M * Doener espdiff magic?
1102290785 M * Doener maybe your brainwave activity increased ;)
1102290811 M * Bertl could be ... 8-)
1102290942 M * Bertl ah, btw, did I already ask you for your opinion on the legacy-fix ?